Pardew Who ?

[alpine_saint]

Even taking into account the "caretaking" of Wilkins, does anybody really think we would have been better off if Pardew were still here, after 11 games ??

[JustMike]

yes, purely because of the way we destroyed Rovers in his last game. Guess we will never know though.

[Noodles34]

Even taking into account the "caretaking" of Wilkins, does anybody really think we would have been better off if Pardew were still here, after 11 games ??

 

God, get a life mate

[Wes Tender]

yes, purely because of the way we destroyed Rovers in his last game. Guess we will never know though.

 

Of course, Lallana's injury wouldn't have kept him out under Pardew, Barnard wouldn't have got himself banned, Lambert would have been much fitter under Pardew, the defence better, the tactics more sound, the players' confidence much higher, Guly hitting his stride much earlier. How I miss the fella.

Seriously, as you say, it cannot be proven either way, but I don't believe for one minute that we would have done any better had he remained and now I tend towards thinking not as well.

[Turkish]

God, get a life mate

 

why are you having a pop? It's a reasonable question to ask. It seemed after Rovers we were getting there and i fully expected us to get promtion under Pardew and now do under Adkins, but after 5 games of Adkins i like him and we are much more attractive to watch, i feel that the end result may well have been the same under either of them, but with Adkins it looks like we may get there in style, playing attractive passing football, which suits the players we have.

[jam]

yes, purely because of the way we destroyed Rovers in his last game. Guess we will never know though.

 

Didn't we destroy Tranmere, who in turn beat Rovers, under our Nige?

[Noodles34]

why are you having a pop? It's a reasonable question to ask. It seemed after Rovers we were getting there and i fully expected us to get promtion under Pardew and now do under Adkins, but after 5 games of Adkins i like him and we are much more attractive to watch, i feel that the end result may well have been the same under either of them, but with Adkins it looks like we may get there in style, playing attractive passing football, which suits the players we have.

 

I completely agree with you in that respect, but some people, (you included) 'drone' on about certain issues that they cannot let go, you about crap basically, or maybe i am confusing you with Dune, anyway, along with the Alpine bloke above (that doesn't even go) you just start things for a reaction or a fight, basically a bit of attention seeking. Look at your post count and then think about other things you could be doing in life instead of starting threads about the same old, same old or how people dress to go to football matches, as i said, attention for attention's sake, but I guess thats the drug that you full timers need to keep you going.

[Turkish]

I completely agree with you in that respect, but some people, (you included) 'drone' on about certain issues that they cannot let go, you about crap basically, or maybe i am confusing you with Dune, anyway, along with the Alpine bloke above (that doesn't even go) you just start things for a reaction or a fight, basically a bit of attention seeking. Look at your post count and then think about other things you could be doing in life instead of starting threads about the same old, same old or how people dress to go to football matches, as i said, attention for attention's sake, but I guess thats the drug that you full timers need to keep you going.

 

Yep thats right the most important thing in my life is to be the most popular person and the person that gets the most attention on an internet message board. Although it seems not everyone thinks they are crap as my last two threads have almost 300 posts between them

Edited 13 October, 2010 by Turkish

[John B]

I think we will be promoted under Adkins like I thought we would be promoted under Pardew

 

With our squad resources and fans and lack of injuries most managers should be able to get us out of League 1 the tricky part is getting us to the Premier League

[Cestrian Saint]

I don't object to your question. I believe these forums are about expressing an opinion, whatever it may be. It ****es me off when people start throwing insults around just because they don't share your views.

FWIW. I think we would have been in a better position with Pardew. Probably top 6. But he's not here so we'll never know. We can only look to the future now.

[paris]

Pardew is a good manager and was a good manager for us IMO....

[John B]

Pardew is a good manager and was a good manager for us IMO....

 

Lets face it is Pardew's team

 

Apart Lallana Schenderlein and Davis the rest were signed by him apart of course for Chaplow who is here on a month's loan

[Noodles34]

Yep thats right the most important thing in my life is to be the most popular person and the person that gets the most attention on an internet message board. Although it seems not everyone thinks they are crap as my last two threads have almost 300 posts between them

 

good for you Turkish, good for you...

[Turkish]

Lets face it is Pardew's team

 

Apart Lallana Schenderlein and Davis the rest were signed by him apart of course for Chaplow who is here on a month's loan

 

it is but the way we are playing now suits the players we have a lot better. Hammond & Seaborne look different player, it has helped having Lallana back as he is a big miss and Chaplow is a good bit of business and i hope he stays, it seems he wants to make the switch permenant. Pardew is a good manager and i really feel he would have got us promoted, it's probably to early to judge Adkins yet as most managers, (although not most Saints managers!) have a good run when they start at a club, but i feel he will get us promoted as well.

[Turkish]

good for you Turkish, good for you...

 

it makes me glow with pride.

[alpine_saint]

Lets face it is Pardew's team

 

Apart Lallana Schenderlein and Davis the rest were signed by him apart of course for Chaplow who is here on a month's loan

 

But bringing Chaplow back appears so far to have added something that has been lacking from the team, specifically the midfield, for some time.

[Turkish]

But bringing Chaplow back appears so far to have added something that has been lacking from the team, specifically the midfield, for some time.

 

It has, there is a lot more energy in the midfield with him it, i really hope we can keep him.

[saint_stevo]

Alan Pardwho

[Danbert]

it is but the way we are playing now suits the players we have a lot better. Hammond & Seaborne look different player, it has helped having Lallana back as he is a big miss and Chaplow is a good bit of business and i hope he stays, it seems he wants to make the switch permenant. Pardew is a good manager and i really feel he would have got us promoted, it's probably to early to judge Adkins yet as most managers, (although not most Saints managers!) have a good run when they start at a club, but i feel he will get us promoted as well.

 

This

[Toomer]

Close one to call, but from what I have seen so far Adkins just has the edge.

[Block 5]

Even taking into account the "caretaking" of Wilkins, does anybody really think we would have been better off if Pardew were still here, after 11 games ??

 

Things weren't right under AP.

Pre-season was a disaster and key players weren't fit.

Whether the players were signed by AP or not, they are certainly beginning to perform for NA, and as Turkish rightly said, the quality of football is excellent.

I would rather be watching the style of football we have witnessed at the last two home games than AP's 'style'.

[doddisalegend]

AP was more than capable of getting us promoted he proved that last year, Nigel would seem to be capable too. The difference is as far as I can tell Nigel gets on with NC Alan didn't. NC really should have made the change during the summer though and if not should have backed AP to the hilt this season. I wanted AP as our manager but if NC didn't he should have sorted it out last pre-season. The fanning around with managers at the start of the season has cost us a lot of points which may come back to bite us at the end of the season.

[The Kraken]

But bringing Chaplow back appears so far to have added something that has been lacking from the team, specifically the midfield, for some time.

 

Not really IMO. It gives us more options for injuries/suspensions and we've been crying out for that since pre-season and beyond, but not sure if it gives us anything more than we had. Maybe Hammond's poor form earlier on accentuated a weakness in midfield, but with Hammond and Morgan back on form I only see that Chaplow gives us some nice options rather than a new dimension.

 

In answer to your question; no idea if we would be better or worse off with Pardew here. I seriously doubt we would have lost 4 games in a row with AP in charge. I also seriously doubt that we would be playing the passing-type of football we are now, under Pardew. All in all, the most important thing is that Adkins seems to have the team playing the way he wants and performances are on the up again.

 

My expectations of the season remain exactly as they were after the Bristol Rovers game; automatic promotion.

[Bucks Saint]

FWIW (which is not much of course) I think we would have been in the top 6 now, so yes, I guess I think we would have done better under Pardew.

 

But hopefully all the disruption caused by firing someone so early in the season is past us now, I like the look of Adkins and the team is improving slowly. We will still get there.

[Wes Tender]

FWIW (which is not much of course) I think we would have been in the top 6 now, so yes, I guess I think we would have done better under Pardew.

 

But hopefully all the disruption caused by firing someone so early in the season is past us now, I like the look of Adkins and the team is improving slowly. We will still get there.

 

So which of the games would we have won under him in your opinion and why didn't he win those home games against Plymouth and Leyton Orient? He didn't beat Swindon last season in either match, so would he have managed it this season? And as I already pointed out above, you reckon that not having Lallana and Barnard available to him would have made no difference?

[Wes Tender]

The fanning around with managers at the start of the season has cost us a lot of points which may come back to bite us at the end of the season.

 

See, there you go again. The addition of "in my opinion", "I believe", "probably" or some other expression that renders it an opinion rather than a fact would be useful. Because it isn't a fact, is it?

[Red and White Army]

I think we would be higher under Pardew also.

[lambertsrightleg]

would we have been better off with Pardew? Who knows? who cares?

 

what I can say though is that now we play the best football that I have seen in a long, long time from a Southampton team. We play quick, possesion football which is great to watch and is winning us games. Under Pardew we did ok but let's be honest the football was absolutely turgid. Now when KD has the ball the centre backs drop off, the full backs go wide and we start to fizz the ball about whereas with Pardew he would wait an age for everybody to push up and then hoof it up to Ricky. Amen to that!!!

[Daren W]

Happy with Adkins... Was happy with Pardew...

I for will always be grateful to Pardew for a great day out at Wembley and for restoring the pride in this club....

I won't be joining in the "Slag off Pardew for thing we don't know are true or not" brigade...

[doddisalegend]

See, there you go again. The addition of "in my opinion", "I believe", "probably" or some other expression that renders it an opinion rather than a fact would be useful. Because it isn't a fact, is it?

 

Ok dokey Wes you put the disclaimer after every post of yours and I'll follow suit...........

 

I'll re phrase for you after AP left we lost three league matches in a row that is a fact.

[doddisalegend]

Happy with Adkins... Was happy with Pardew...

I for will always be grateful to Pardew for a great day out at Wembley and for restoring the pride in this club....

I won't be joining in the "Slag off Pardew for thing we don't know are true or not" brigade...

 

well said

[alpine_saint]

I am amused by the assumption that a flattering result against a dire Bristol Rovers side is evidence that the previous manager could have put together such a good run so soon as the new manager has.

 

As I said a couple of weeks ago, if Pardew had been fired before the Bristol Rovers game, no-one would give a sh*t he has gone.

[Turkish]

I am amused by the assumption that a flattering result against a dire Bristol Rovers side is evidence that the previous manager could have put together such a good run so soon as the new manager has.

 

As I said a couple of weeks ago, if Pardew had been fired before the Bristol Rovers game, no-one would give a sh*t he has gone.

 

Bristol Rovers are on the same points as us and Swindon, who have recently beaten us twice, hardly dire. To win 4-0 against anyone in the same division is a great result. And you are wrong, people would have given a sh*t if Pardew was sacked before Bristol Rovers, as you can see from this thread, most people were happy with him.

[Saint Pete]

I am amused by the assumption that a flattering result against a dire Bristol Rovers side is evidence that the previous manager could have put together such a good run so soon as the new manager has.

 

As I said a couple of weeks ago, if Pardew had been fired before the Bristol Rovers game, no-one would give a sh*t he has gone.

 

But wasn't the Tranmere result and performance against a dire Tranmere side?

[austsaint]

Yep, AP will always have a tick from me for his contribution in re-establishing the Club's credibility on the pitch. There is no need to compare AP and NA....both are good managers with differences in style and personality. AP would probably have guided us to promotion this season; NA will probably guide us to promotion this season.

[The Kraken]

I am amused by the assumption that a flattering result against a dire Bristol Rovers side is evidence that the previous manager could have put together such a good run so soon as the new manager has.

 

As I said a couple of weeks ago, if Pardew had been fired before the Bristol Rovers game, no-one would give a sh*t he has gone.

 

So a 2-0 cup victory against high flying Bournemouth, a narrow defeat (and very good performance) against Premier League Bolton and a 4-0 away league victory mean nothing. Yet a 2-0 home victory against a team in the relegation zone is cause for a thread on how much better this new guy is.

 

I'm amused by your double standards.

[alpine_saint]

Bristol Rovers are on the same points as us and Swindon, who have recently beaten us twice, hardly dire. To win 4-0 against anyone in the same division is a great result. And you are wrong, people would have given a sh*t if Pardew was sacked before Bristol Rovers, as you can see from this thread, most people were happy with him.

 

Yet the only thing they point to when expressing their support for Pardew is the Rovers result.

[alpine_saint]

So a 2-0 cup victory against high flying Bournemouth, a narrow defeat (and very good performance) against Premier League Bolton and a 4-0 away league victory mean nothing. Yet a 2-0 home victory against a team in the relegation zone is cause for a thread on how much better this new guy is.

 

I'm amused by your double standards.

 

Really ? I keep hearing about how differently we perform now compared to under Pardew.

[dubai_phil]

Irresepctive of the style of the team and injuries to key players, I do NOT think we would have gained promotion this season if AP had stayed (longer).

 

It is only IMHO, but there was something clearly "Not Right". There were the strange appearances of new posters with ITK'esque rants and there was a great deal of focus back onto Politics rather than the football. Something was rotten in the State of Denmark. Sooner (as happened) or later it would have exploded.

 

So, now with the new broom the team appear to be re-united, the football is (finally) after MANY years showing signs that it is of a style that we feel is what we want to see, and after the unease of the close season we are "feeling easier" about life.

 

Have the problems been solved or just coped with? Probably just coped with.

 

Footballing wise? AP was the manager he had my faith. Adkins is now the manager he has my faith.

 

But I think the new style and shape is better suited to this league and so even on pure footballing grounds, I think we have a better chance now

[Turkish]

Yet the only thing they point to when expressing their support for Pardew is the Rovers result.

 

Err, no they dont....

 

The majority view seems to be that we would have got promoted under Pardew.

[Legod Third Coming]

Pardew is a good manager and was a good manager for us IMO....

 

Precisely. Does anyone really think we would have gone from spanking Rovers to being turned over and having our tummies tickled in a week had he stayed?

 

It's immaterial but I just wish people would give Pardew credit. When he arrived we were the country's WORST football team on games won. WORST.

 

And what he just turned that around and gave us a winning mentality (becoming the 7th BEST manager in the country) by doing feck all did he?

 

Sometimes this forum resembles the mob in Rome. Devoid of intelligent debate, reason and credibility. And worst of all, devoid of humility and gratitude.

[The Kraken]

Really ? I keep hearing about how differently we perform now compared to under Pardew.

 

Then you're clearly hearing only what you want ot hear.

 

Our style of play under Adkins is different to under Pardew. Much nicer to watch. However, there is also an argument that while Pardew's style of play wasn't too attractive, if was often effective. Hence the number of good wins last season, and why many people saw our early season form as a blip and not indicative of what would happen over the course of the season.

 

But then it seems to be me you've made your mind up anyway and are just looking for another excuse to have a pop at a former manager, when what we should be doing is putting the past behind us and concentrating on the future with NA.

[Wes Tender]

Ok dokey Wes you put the disclaimer after every post of yours and I'll follow suit...........

 

I'll re phrase for you after AP left we lost three league matches in a row that is a fact.

 

You don't need to bother yourself, as I do that anyway. Take my other post on this thread, for example.

 

Seriously, as you say, it cannot be proven either way, but I don't believe for one minute that we would have done any better had he remained and now I tend towards thinking not as well.

 

It is a fact that we lost three matches after he left, but what is NOT a fact is that Pardew would have won those matches for us. Do you see the distinction? Therefore, you cannot say for a fact "The fann(y)ing around with managers at the start of the season has cost us a lot of points", because you do not know for sure whether Pardew would have won those matches or not. Do you?

[Secret Site Agent]

I completely agree with you in that respect, but some people, (you included) 'drone' on about certain issues that they cannot let go, you about crap basically, or maybe i am confusing you with Dune, anyway, along with the Alpine bloke above (that doesn't even go) you just start things for a reaction or a fight, basically a bit of attention seeking. Look at your post count and then think about other things you could be doing in life instead of starting threads about the same old, same old or how people dress to go to football matches, as i said, attention for attention's sake, but I guess thats the drug that you full timers need to keep you going.

 

I'm sorry noodles, but I think that there view is just as valid as ours. And I have agreed with you on many an issue, more than them. But if you think their question inane and not worthy of reply then just don't reply. no need to get personal.

 

And perhaps I should invovle myself in the thread.

 

Well, I believe that we would be somewhere similar with Pards as we are now, but I believe the parting of the ways is the direct passing game we're into now, rather than the hoof-it-up-to-Lamb-and-barnard type of long ball tactics we have played in the past. And Nige had a plan B and C up his sleeve, not because he is a better manager, but he is a different type of manager that prefers different structures to the team, than the Bulldoze single effect, (and perhaps he has learnt that it is best to have an alternative plan for when teams know how you play and play to stiffle a draw rather than a win a la Montenegro last night).

[Gemmel]

Really ? I keep hearing about how differently we perform now compared to under Pardew.

 

There is a difference in how we play, but most notably, not in the end product. Is Adkins playing sexier football, possibly, but we (At times) played some fantastic stuff under Pardew (Albeit mixed in with the long ball in).

But the route to goal is not the important thing, it is the result (On the assumption that promotion is the only thing that matters this season) and unless Adkins can make us more clinical or sharper shooters, then he will have achieved nothing (certainly not promotion), except the plaudits of playing football the right way or a decent passing team.

A lot of teams that we play this year espeacially at home, will be quite happy to let us play our football in 2/3 rds of pitch. It's that final 1/3 that will see if Adkins can surpass Pardew.

[dubai_phil]

But bringing Chaplow back appears so far to have added something that has been lacking from the team, specifically the midfield, for some time.

 

The strange thing is, we as fans all recognised that we needed cover (or better) in Central Midfield. It was a constant theme of many many posts. Chaplow's arrival (even in the short term) seems to have shown our instincts to be true.

 

So, if WE could see it, why during the 16-20 weeks since the end of last season did the previous regime NOT take action. You can argue they did not find anyone suitable, but it just seems "strange"

 

Was it Politics or was it ineptitude/complacency?

[Wes Tender]

Precisely. Does anyone really think we would have gone from spanking Rovers to being turned over and having our tummies tickled in a week had he stayed?

 

 

Who knows? Lallana seems to have made a huge difference to the team, but was injured in the Bristol game. Barnard has made a huge difference too, but was suspended for 4 games after the Bristol game. Do you know exactly what happened to bring about Pardew's departure and what effect it might have had on team morale had he stayed?

 

Of course, we should beat teams at the bottom of the league, but we lost some matches last season against those teams under Pardew. He wasn't infallible.

[The Kraken]

The strange thing is, we as fans all recognised that we needed cover (or better) in Central Midfield. It was a constant theme of many many posts. Chaplow's arrival (even in the short term) seems to have shown our instincts to be true.

 

So, if WE could see it, why during the 16-20 weeks since the end of last season did the previous regime NOT take action. You can argue they did not find anyone suitable, but it just seems "strange"

 

Was it Politics or was it ineptitude/complacency?

 

Given that Pardew identified the need for a new CM, replacement for Antonio, and CF backup for Lambert all throughout the summer, my opinion would be that internal politics played their part and why the whole club, not just the management team, should be held to account for our lacklustre start to the season.

[dubai_phil]

Given that Pardew identified the need for a new CM, replacement for Antonio, and CF backup for Lambert all throughout the summer, my opinion would be that internal politics played their part and why the whole club, not just the management team, should be held to account for our lacklustre start to the season.

 

With you on that, hence my point that "With things as they were" we were better to have sacked AP. "With things as they were" we should have sacked him sooner.

 

"With things as they now are in the club" we will do better with Adkins.

 

When a relationship breaks down, therapy can help. If Therapy isn't available or one side doesn't see the need, then the relationship is fatally flawed.

 

Would we do better "IF" "Things had not been as they were" under AP - I actually do not believe so. Yes I accept the Rovers result, but I would riposte with the "Wycombe & Stockport" results and performances. Sure we will have bad days under NA, and worry about the "Style" in bad conditions. But I do wonder whether AP had a "mini" Lowe side in him where he was the expereinced one and he was always right and would do it his way, rather than assess external factors and THEN do it his way after taking them into account.

 

We'll never know.

 

But one thing - somebody had to go, and it wasn't going to be Liebherr's & Cortese at that point in time

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Happy with Adkins... Was happy with Pardew...

I for will always be grateful to Pardew for a great day out at Wembley and for restoring the pride in this club....

I won't be joining in the "Slag off Pardew for thing we don't know are true or not" brigade...

 

This.