I hate

[dune]

Labour for everything they've ever done in destroying the empire and knocking Britain of the top of the perch. Without that party we'd all now be rolling in it. Cvnts cvnts cvnts.

[PaulSaint]

I hate X Factor for buggering up Music.

[dune]

I'd have ****ing loved to have lived a generation of two ago and gone to Africa and built a farm and helped the poor in developing their countries and stopped famines and achieved something and flown the union flag. What days they must have been.

[benjii]

I prefer Galaxy to Cadbury.

[dune]

I hate X Factor for buggering up Music.

 

aha, sneaky trying to ruin my thread - it won't work, i'm now in my stride.

[SuperMikey]

Do you hate Labour, dune? You've not said anything about it up until this point.

[dune]

I prefer Galaxy to Cadbury.

 

I prefer caramacs of mily bars or cadbgury buttons which is ****ing weird because buttons are the same chocolate as the bars, but because they're buttons they taste much nicer. Why is this?

[dune]

Do you hate Labour, dune? You've not said anything about it up until this point.

 

ha ha, yeah i really do hate Labour 1000 times more than you think.

[PaulSaint]

I prefer caramacs of mily bars or cadbgury buttons which is ****ing weird because buttons are the same chocolate as the bars, but because they're buttons they taste much nicer. Why is this?

 

Better fridged than at room temperature too!

[rocknrollman no2]

Welfare state,NHS,blimey even Harold Wilson came up with the idea of the Open University,where ordinary people can study for a degree,something until then was just for rich people.

Hey Labour are not perfect,but what have the Tories ever done for the working man/woman?

[norwaysaint]

You have to wonder if Britain might have been as prosperous as Norway if they'd kept their North Sea oil nationalised instead of privatising it though. The conservatives did that. Norway's state income through oil has meant that the country has been debt free and building a huge fund from the surplus for many years now. The tories made a quick cash in back in 1979 and there were good times for a while, but there was no consideration for the future.

 

Labour would doubtlessly have ****ed it up too in time though.

[bridge too far]

Watch Panorama now!

 

Says it all, really

[dune]

Welfare state,NHS,blimey even Harold Wilson came up with the idea of the Open University,where ordinary people can study for a degree,something until then was just for rich people.

Hey Labour are not perfect,but what have the Tories ever done for the working man/woman?

 

The tories have done more for the working man than Labour. I'm not saying Labour haven't contributed to breaking down the classes (the throwback to feudalism) but it's the tories that have always fixed/managed the economy well to enable the working man to get where he os today. There is no way you can ever say that Labour have ever ran the economy well and the truth is that if Labour had always remained in power we we'd living like paupers.

[dune]

Watch Panorama now!

 

Says it all, really

 

will do.

[dune]

atched 10 secs. Basically talking about Belize being a banana republic. Would never have happened when it was British Honduras. Thanks BTF for further strenthening my beliefs.

[Um Bongo]

I hate attention seekers and people who reply to their own posts.

[dune]

You have to wonder if Britain might have been as prosperous as Norway if they'd kept their North Sea oil nationalised instead of privatising it though. The conservatives did that. Norway's state income through oil has meant that the country has been debt free and building a huge fund from the surplus for many years now. The tories made a quick cash in back in 1979 and there were good times for a while, but there was no consideration for the future.

 

Labour would doubtlessly have ****ed it up too in time though.

 

I do think many of the privatisations were bad decisions. That I will concede.

[dune]

I hate attention seekers and people who reply to their own posts.

 

me too, utter cvnts. I used to run my own forum and spend days talking to myself. was great because there was never any falling out.

[rocknrollman no2]

The tories have done more for the working man than Labour. I'm not saying Labour haven't contributed to breaking down the classes (the throwback to feudalism) but it's the tories that have always fixed/managed the economy well to enable the working man to get where he os today. There is no way you can ever say that Labour have ever ran the economy well and the truth is that if Labour had always remained in power we we'd living like paupers.

 

The Tories have always looked after the rich first.Remember the poll tax?

Remind me which Tory PM sold of all of our industries?Thats right Thatcher.Now our coal,steel,railways,most of the NHS are all making money for private investors,rather than the taxpayer.

As for Labour making a mess of the economy,(i dont count the last government as proper Labour),i remember black Wednesday,even blacker Thursday and so so black Friday as the Tory chancellor Lawson totally messed up our economy then.

[Dog]

Get over it Dune. Gone are the good old days of England, the glory days when Maggie was our leader and Britain was still Great.

[dune]

The Tories have always looked after the rich first.Remember the poll tax?

 

Yeah that a really badly exectued good idea. If it was down to me i'd ideally do away with tax on a persons first home (upto say £120K of it's value). This would help those less well off and would also serve to cool the housing market which is ridiculous. Average house prices should be about £80K and a whole generation - my generation - have been shafted.

[dune]

Get over it Dune. Gone are the good old days of England, the glory days when Maggie was our leader and Britain was still Great.

 

They're gone for good yeah, but anyone who thinks the days of empires are over per se is naive. China currently hold trillions of bonds/gilts in western world economies which, like it not, make them our imperial masters in waiting.

[Dog]

They're gone for good yeah, but anyone who thinks the days of empires are over per se is naive. China currently hold trillions of bonds/gilts in western world economies which, like it not, make them our imperial masters in waiting.

 

Have a day off you boring ****!

[dune]

P.S Dog, your right about Side - what a sh1thole. ha ha.

[dune]

Have a day off you boring ****!

 

I might come accross as boring, because I am boring, but hey ho i enjoy current affairs. And I start some ****ing good threads.... Yours are often good too, although I sometimes find your humour a bit childish. Reckon that's because i've got older brothers.

[rocknrollman no2]

Yeah that a really badly exectued good idea. If it was down to me i'd ideally do away with tax on a persons first home (upto say £120K of it's value). This would help those less well off and would also serve to cool the housing market which is ridiculous. Average house prices should be about £80K and a whole generation - my generation - have been shafted.

 

I think the Poll tax was a terrible idea.Why should someone living in a one bedroomed council flat pay the same as Lord Bath?

But you make a good point with the second part of your post.

[dune]

I think the Poll tax was a terrible idea.Why should someone living in a one bedroomed council flat pay the same as Lord Bath?

But you make a good point with the second part of your post.

 

The reason I liked the poll tax a bit, was because there was families in Leicester where dozens of family lived in the same house. It made them pay.

[badgerx16]

My understanding of history is that the Empire was lost as a consequence of all those TPLACs and Asian dependencies realising that Britain wasn't powerful or rich enough to control them any more. Those damned slitty eyed nipponese blew away the idea of imperialist power and as a consequence India, Pakistan, Burma, Malaya, etc, began to flex their nationalistic muscles. South Africa, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand were already, effectively, beyond our control, and having been bankrupted by standing up to Adolf, and mortgaged to the Yanks, we couldn't afford to continue with the African adventure, nor retain the Caribbean and South American bits and bobs.

 

But hey, why not blame Labour for the invasion of Poland and Pearl Harbour whilst you're at it.

[Dog]

The reason I liked the poll tax a bit, was because there was families in Leicester where dozens of family lived in the same house. It made them pay.

 

[Johnny Bognor]

Welfare state,NHS,blimey even Harold Wilson came up with the idea of the Open University,where ordinary people can study for a degree,something until then was just for rich people.

Hey Labour are not perfect,but what have the Tories ever done for the working man/woman?

 

 

Hey, R&Rman2, I hate to **** on your bonfire, but the tories invented the re-distribution of wealth (taxing the better off whilst lowering the burden of the less well off) decades before the Labour party was formed.......

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/history/taxhis2.htm

 

 

As for the NHS, this was a central policy in Winston Churchill's 1945 election manifesto. Had he won, the NHS would have been a tory invention. (See the section on Health http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1945/1945-conservative-manifesto.shtml)

Edited 11 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[teamsaint]

old stuff is making a big comeback under the tories.

University only for the Rich.

Benefits only for the deserving poor(workhouses can't be far behind).

military power enough to take on half the world(or Trident renewal as they call it).

Country run by Old Etonians and bankers who nearly bankrupted us.

 

Still ,look on the bright side, at this rate labour will be elected with a landslide in 5 years time, because the government will have upset everybody except the top 10/20%.

[Dog]

Let's be honest we haven't had a decent prime minister since the Iron Lady, and we never will. Everyone in power either has a constant cheesy grin or the attitude of a wet fanny.

[dune]

My understanding of history is that the Empire was lost as a consequence of all those TPLACs and Asian dependencies realising that Britain wasn't powerful or rich enough to control them any more. Those damned slitty eyed nipponese blew away the idea of imperialist power and as a consequence India, Pakistan, Burma, Malaya, etc, began to flex their nationalistic muscles. South Africa, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand were already, effectively, beyond our control, and having been bankrupted by standing up to Adolf, and mortgaged to the Yanks, we couldn't afford to continue with the African adventure, nor retain the Caribbean and South American bits and bobs.

 

But hey, why not blame Labour for the invasion of Poland and Pearl Harbour whilst you're at it.

 

Fair point, and it's ironic that an empire (the third reich) that was modelled on the British empire (hitler worshipped the british) did so much to destry what it set out to mirror. We spent 100 years accumulative wealth fighting two world wars - Brown did similar and built the millenium dome and the M6 Toll, but Harold Wilson (and judas macmillan before) put their own beliefs and principles ahead of what was best for the native people of Africa. Asia was ready for independance, africa was not, and Labour do have blood on their hands for the way they rushed out leaving the poor people in the hands of corrupt commie millitary juntas. That wasn't compassionate and the right thing to do - it was cruel.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Labour for everything they've ever done in destroying the empire and knocking Britain of the top of the perch. Without that party we'd all now be rolling in it. Cvnts cvnts cvnts.

 

I hate that cvunt Thatcher, Cvnt cvnt cvnt!

[Dog]

I hate that cvunt Thatcher, Cvnt cvnt cvnt!

 

Thatcher had more 8ollox than you'll ever have, even as a woman!!

[dune]

Let's be honest we haven't had a decent prime minister since the Iron Lady, and we never will. Everyone in power either has a constant cheesy grin or the attitude of a wet fanny.

 

I'll get dissed, but I really do like David Cameron and amazingly have grown to like George Osborne (even though he comes accross as ****). They are doing the right things for britain now despite the fact the thick voters won't like it. I like that because they are doing what must be done to tackle the massive deficit debt. Every week we are paying the same amount it's cost to buy an aircraft just on the interest on the debt. That is completely crazy and just shows how bad things are. This really has got to be tackled head on and like me when I get in the garden with my shears the only way sometimes, and this time for sure, is to accept the view won't be nice for a bit, but in the l9ong run it'll grow back strong.

[badgerx16]

As for the NHS, this was a central policy in Winston Churchill's 1945 election manifesto. Had he won, the NHS would have been a tory invention. (See the section on Health http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1945/1945-conservative-manifesto.shtml)

It was proposed in the Beveredge Report of 1942, and adopted by both Tories & Labour in the 1945 election. As Nye Bevan moved his National Health Service Act through Parliament, the Conservatives opposed it.

 

Another interesting thing in that manifesto, in the light of this thread's initial premise, is that it reminded me that Churchill, that well known leftie, was very much in favour of Indian self government.

[dune]

I hate that cvunt Thatcher, Cvnt cvnt cvnt!

 

I admire her. She was litterally an iron lady for britain both at home and abroad. She hurt a lot of people on the way to mending the mess the socialists left, but without what she did the fruitful years a generation has enjoyed would never have happened.

[Johnny Bognor]

It was proposed in the Beveredge Report of 1942, and adopted by both Tories & Labour in the 1945 election. As Nye Bevan moved his National Health Service Act through Parliament, the Conservatives opposed it.

 

Another interesting thing in that manifesto, in the light of this thread's initial premise, is that it reminded me that Churchill, that well known leftie, was very much in favour of Indian self government.

 

 

Whilst Attlee and Bevin went ahead with developing Britain's nuclear weapons programs!!!!

[Fuengirola Saint]

 

 

As for the NHS, this was a central policy in Winston Churchill's 1945 election manifesto. Had he won, the NHS would have been a tory invention. (See the section on Health http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1945/1945-conservative-manifesto.shtml)

 

I reckon you'll find that he knew he couldn't publish a manifesto without a comprehensive health service included or Labour would have won an even bigger landslide.

We all know that the idea of an all encompassing health service was the idea of Labour's William Beveridge wasn't it?

[rocknrollman no2]

Hey, R&Rman2, I hate to **** on your bonfire, but the tories invented the re-distribution of wealth (taxing the better off whilst lowering the burden of the less well off) decades before the Labour party was formed.......

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/history/taxhis2.htm

 

 

As for the NHS, this was a central policy in Winston Churchill's 1945 election manifesto. Had he won, the NHS would have been a tory invention. (See the section on Health http://www.conservativemanifesto.com/1945/1945-conservative-manifesto.shtml)

 

I dont think by going back to the 1800s you can compare how we are taxed today.Most poor people then were already taxed to the hilt,or moved around so much,that it was easier to try to tax the wealthy.

As for Winston Churchill wanting to start the NHS,he may have wanted to start it,but im sorry it will always be remembered that Bevan will go down in history as its founder.Since then most Tory governments have done their best to try and privitise it through the back door,mostly under Thatcher.

Also although the National insurance act of 1911 was made under a Liberal government,it was only made because of pressure from Labour MPs that this came to pass.I cant imagine the Tories ever wanting this?

[Dog]

P.S Dog, your right about Side - what a sh1thole. ha ha.

 

Did you get any gay love?

[dune]

Also although the National insurance act of 1911 was made under a Liberal government,it was only made because of pressure from Labour MPs that this came to pass.I cant imagine the Tories ever wanting this?

 

As Timmy (ithink it was him) once said - the tories will always look after the rich - but what you need to get is that this is a good thing because this indirectly looks after the poor because the rich create jobs. I can empathise with the idealist views of some socialists, but this isn't a game, it's real life and capitalism is the best way for everyone.

[rocknrollman no2]

Thatcher had more 8ollox than you'll ever have, even as a woman!!

 

Dog i wouldnt go up to those mining villages and towns up north where she totally distroyed a generation and put them all on the dole and say that out loud.

[dune]

Did you get any gay love?

 

No, because my anal passage would have proved a rather messy cavity to fill with the diahorea, but that is still no excuse for not getting a blow job especially as redirecting my dolmus fair in rent boys direction would've fed him and his family for a month. I did see some sexy gypsies (as you said I would) and was tempted to ask for anal, but had i done so and given them 2 lira they would never have been motivated to pick cotton again with such enthusiasm so left them with their ignorance is bliss outlook never realising their full potential.

[Johnny Bognor]

I reckon you'll find that he knew he couldn't publish a manifesto without a comprehensive health service included or Labour would have won an even bigger landslide.

We all know that the idea of an all encompassing health service was the idea of Labour's William Beveridge wasn't it?

 

If you read the socialist worker, maybe. But the British Medical Association suggested the idea some 4 years before William:

 

Prior to the Second World War there was already consensus that health insurance should be extended to the dependants of the wage-earner, and that the voluntary and local authority hospitals should be integrated. A British Medical Association pamphlet, "A General Medical Service for the Nation" was issued along these lines in 1938. However, no action was taken due to the international crisis. During the war, a new centralised state-run 'Emergency Medical Service' (EMS) employed doctors and nurses to care for those injured by enemy action and arrange for their treatment in whichever hospital was available. The existence of the EMS made voluntary hospitals dependent on the Government and there was a recognition that many would be in financial trouble once peace arrived. The need to do something to guarantee the voluntary hospitals meant that hospital care drove the impetus for reform.

In February 1941 the Deputy Permanent Secretary at the Ministry of Health recorded privately areas of agreement on post-war health policy which included "a complete health service to be available to every member of the community" and on 9 October 1941, the Minister of Health Ernest Brown announced that the Government proposed to ensure that there was a comprehensive hospital service available to everyone in need of it, and that local authorities would be responsible for providing it. The Medical Planning Commission set up by the professional bodies went one stage further in May 1942 recommending (in an interim report) a National Health Service with General Practitioners working through health centres and hospitals run by regional administrations. [Oh, look who pops up after every man and his dog recommended it] The Beveridge Report of December 1942 included this same idea.

He came too late and when he did, he just copied someone else.

 

I dont think by going back to the 1800s you can compare how we are taxed today.Most poor people then were already taxed to the hilt,or moved around so much,that it was easier to try to tax the wealthy.

 

If you read the history of taxation, not only were the better off taxed on income, most of the duties imposed on the poor were removed (and the poor didn't pay income tax). Another interesting fact not found in the Socialist Worker.

Edited 11 October, 2010 by Johnny Bognor

[rocknrollman no2]

As Timmy (ithink it was him) once said - the tories will always look after the rich - but what you need to get is that this is a good thing because this indirectly looks after the poor because the rich create jobs. I can empathise with the idealist views of some socialists, but this isn't a game, it's real life and capitalism is the best way for everyone.

 

What you are describing Dune is Thatcherism.

If the rich create wealth,then it will trickle down to eventually reach the poor.

Thing is it doesnt happen like this,because the rich always like to keep hold of their wealth for themselfs.

[dune]

If you read the socialist worker.

 

I've a had right argumjent/debate in Southampton city centre with them. I'd recomend you engage them johnny because they make the reds on here seem like political genious's.

[Lighthouse]

old stuff is making a big comeback under the tories.

University only for the Rich.

Benefits only for the deserving poor(workhouses can't be far behind).

military power enough to take on half the world(or Trident renewal as they call it).

Country run by Old Etonians and bankers who nearly bankrupted us.

 

Still ,look on the bright side, at this rate labour will be elected with a landslide in 5 years time, because the government will have upset everybody except the top 10/20%.

 

Yes. God forbid we'd ever have to defend ourselves against an enemy more effective than a handful of religious nutters with home made landmines in the next century. That's about as far as I go with politics. I prefer to hate:

 

Lame, unimaginative cheap TV. I recently saw adverts for a show on Sky 1 called 'The Middle'. Basically they've just taken the words "Malcolm in" off the front and called it a new show. Then there's that '7 days' show on Channel 4. Basically they've just taken Big Brother out of the house.

 

Personal injury lawyers and their TV commercials. "Are you a brainless ***t who tripped over a piece of copper piping at work? Want to know if you're elligible for compensation? Well you're not. You work on a building site, open your eyes you stupid w*nker."

[dune]

old stuff is making a big comeback under the tories.

University only for the Rich.

 

Rubbish. That was Labour that "done it".