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Weston Saint

Weston Saint

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Why is there still no mention of any of this on the OS?
Basically because it is a private matter and no need for comment unless he is charged. Any breach of contract will be dealt with internally and again private and no need for comment.
Seaside Saint 2

Seaside Saint 2

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I'm not legally trained, but did work in the Court Service for 2 years, and having seen a few of these sort of cases pass through (albeit at Crown Court level), if Barnard was the main instigator, he would have been charged by now. Think about it, you don't arrest the 3 accessories to a crime, but then bail the main offender for 2 months, do you? My guess is he is an accessory, and they don't have enough evidence to charge him yet. It would be interesting to find out whether the other 3 have appeared before the magistrates yet, if they have then I think my theory above is probably correct. If they've now been released on bail, then its possible the police are considering charging all 4 and Barnard could have played a more important role in the incident. This is all just idle speculation, but informed speculation if you get what I mean.

 

For all the people on here who were there or know people who were there, does anyone else think its odd that no one can confirm who the other 3 that the rozzers carted off were?

NickG

NickG

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sorry but far to many assumptions in that.

 

He could have been bailed for numerous reasons - from establishing whether he was involved at all as significant offender, id issues -who did what- or getting medical evidence as to level of injury.

 

We know so little, the likely outcome is anything from no charge to years in prison.

RedArmy

RedArmy

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IThink about it, you don't arrest the 3 accessories to a crime, but then bail the main offender for 2 months, do you? My guess is he is an accessory, and they don't have enough evidence to charge him yet. It would be interesting to find out whether the other 3 have appeared before the magistrates yet, if they have then I think my theory above is probably correct. If they've now been released on bail, then its possible the police are considering charging all 4 and Barnard could have played a more important role in the incident. This is all just idle speculation, but informed speculation if you get what I mean.
They're all bailed until the same date.
Hamilton Saint

Hamilton Saint

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sorry but far to many assumptions in that.

 

He could have been bailed for numerous reasons - from establishing whether he was involved at all as significant offender, id issues -who did what- or getting medical evidence as to level of injury.

 

We know so little, the likely outcome is anything from no charge to years in prison.

 

 

Yes, lots of id issues, plenty of ego issues, but precious little superego, I'm afreud.

Flyer

Flyer

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My guess is Barnard defended himself against the two strapping lads with the on thing he had in his hand - a bottle.

 

That is all.

 

A boxer would be able to avoid a bottle, my guess he was blindsided and the boxer was involved with someone else. The fact the guy was unconscious suggests a bottle was broken over the back of his head instead of shoved into his face.

Ian the Red

Ian the Red

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There is obviously a huge element of doubt. If it was as clear cut as some posters would have us believe then I am sure Barney would have charged by now. Innocent until proven guilty, that is what English Law is all about, so get behind LB, show our support for him as a Saints player.

 

Agree the Club should take some action against the three of them, out p!"£$d up at 3am is not what I would expect, fine would be suitable in this instance, but the supprters need to get behind Barney, remember he is innocent until proven guilty and remember Dave Jones.............

shirleysfc

shirleysfc

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They're all bailed until the same date.

 

He will probably be interviewed later and then re-bailed or charged. I have it on good authority one of the other fellas involved was charged yesterday so it doesn't look good for him.

 

If he is charged I imagine the club will then make some comment. Good luck to the fella, have been what he is going through and it's not easy.

 

You can't both be right can you??

hughieslastminutegoal

hughieslastminutegoal

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What do we know about the guy that got hit with the bottle. was he just an innocent bystander or just a gobby T**T who thought he could take on the world?
Why assume it was the guy who was hit was the only gobby t**t? My lad's friends fom his work were there and their comments have ben somewhat less than glowing about Mr. Barnard's part in this. But it all is yet to be proven.

 

Someone got hit with a bottle after "comments" had been exchanged between a couple of Billy Big Noises. We know Mr Barnard was left with a badly injured hand. We know Saints have been struggling for a forwards recently. We know Saints have been struggling for form and points. We all know Mr B really shouldn't have been there and should be doing his his utmost to keep out of trouble and keep fit to play. He cost us £175k. Someone might be prepared to write that off, bearing in mind the high business and ethical principles that the management claim to posess.

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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Hughieslastminutegoal

 

Im not assuming anything but just asking the question.

 

what we are hearing is third had versions of what may or may not have occurred. Even you say your sons friends were there???

 

if what ever has happened sudenly flared up. nobody apart from those involved will know the reason for the flare up/

Its easy to make a judgement once all the claret is spilt not events leading up to it. Im not doubting your lads friends on events as no doubt they were having a good time and consuming copious amounts of alcohol or were they on the kaliber.

 

many moons ago I got arrested by the police following an attack . A polie car was patrolling where I was walking when I was subject to a mugging. Being 20 years younger than the attacker . it was me that was intially arrested and told I would face a charge of ABH , then GBH then drunk and disorderly. I spent several hours in a police cell before I was asked for my version of events.

Now this all happened at about 6pm on a saturday. near the houses of Parliment. I might have only been 19 at the time but I have a right to defend myself. I had not been drinking either . In the end the police realised that the other person concerned had a history of violent attacks and was wanted by them for a serious assault else where. The police gave me an apology but I have never trusted them since and I was right to defend myself. It was worrying at the time as the police assumption was that it must have been a 19 year old attacking a 45 year old not vice versa

 

So like the police in my incident . its important to establish exactly what went on before passing judgement. All to often the alleged victim can turn out to be perpertrator. I wasnt at the white house and cannot comment Barnard is innocent until proven guilty un less there are bent cops about

hughieslastminutegoal

hughieslastminutegoal

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Hughieslastminutegoal

 

Im not assuming anything but just asking the question.

 

what we are hearing is third had versions of what may or may not have occurred. Even you say your sons friends were there???

 

if what ever has happened sudenly flared up. nobody apart from those involved will know the reason for the flare up/

Its easy to make a judgement once all the claret is spilt not events leading up to it. Im not doubting your lads friends on events as no doubt they were having a good time and consuming copious amounts of alcohol or were they on the kaliber.

 

many moons ago I got arrested by the police following an attack . A polie car was patrolling where I was walking when I was subject to a mugging. Being 20 years younger than the attacker . it was me that was intially arrested and told I would face a charge of ABH , then GBH then drunk and disorderly. I spent several hours in a police cell before I was asked for my version of events.

Now this all happened at about 6pm on a saturday. near the houses of Parliment. I might have only been 19 at the time but I have a right to defend myself. I had not been drinking either . In the end the police realised that the other person concerned had a history of violent attacks and was wanted by them for a serious assault else where. The police gave me an apology but I have never trusted them since and I was right to defend myself. It was worrying at the time as the police assumption was that it must have been a 19 year old attacking a 45 year old not vice versa

 

So like the police in my incident . its important to establish exactly what went on before passing judgement. All to often the alleged victim can turn out to be perpertrator. I wasnt at the white house and cannot comment Barnard is innocent until proven guilty un less there are bent cops about

 

I think I'm saying that if Saints professional footballers want to stay fit and help the team to promotion they might be best advised to stay away from known trouble spots, so they can actively avoid getting involved, getting provoked or otherwise being drawn into this kind of thing. And perhaps when they do go out, not to behave in such a way that other quite normal people think they act like complete kn*bs.

Liquidshokk

Liquidshokk

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Hughieslastminutegoal

 

Im not assuming anything but just asking the question.

 

what we are hearing is third had versions of what may or may not have occurred. Even you say your sons friends were there???

 

if what ever has happened sudenly flared up. nobody apart from those involved will know the reason for the flare up/

Its easy to make a judgement once all the claret is spilt not events leading up to it. Im not doubting your lads friends on events as no doubt they were having a good time and consuming copious amounts of alcohol or were they on the kaliber.

 

many moons ago I got arrested by the police following an attack . A polie car was patrolling where I was walking when I was subject to a mugging. Being 20 years younger than the attacker . it was me that was intially arrested and told I would face a charge of ABH , then GBH then drunk and disorderly. I spent several hours in a police cell before I was asked for my version of events.

Now this all happened at about 6pm on a saturday. near the houses of Parliment. I might have only been 19 at the time but I have a right to defend myself. I had not been drinking either . In the end the police realised that the other person concerned had a history of violent attacks and was wanted by them for a serious assault else where. The police gave me an apology but I have never trusted them since and I was right to defend myself. It was worrying at the time as the police assumption was that it must have been a 19 year old attacking a 45 year old not vice versa

 

So like the police in my incident . its important to establish exactly what went on before passing judgement. All to often the alleged victim can turn out to be perpertrator. I wasnt at the white house and cannot comment Barnard is innocent until proven guilty un less there are bent cops about

 

Sorry if already discussed, but I'm sure I read on the echo article that it happened in Wahoo not White House. Which was it?

 

EDIT: Just re-read the article :rolleyes:

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Pedro

Pedro

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Whoever is guilty, wonder what the sentences might be considering what the hooligans got from the pompey game. Hitting someone with a glass or bottle is one thing but if it was broken beforehand to hit the guy with then the sentence will be higher.

John B

John B

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Just think he has been unprofessional and let the club and the fans down.

 

There is no real reason for a footballer to be out drinking until 3am

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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Just think he has been unprofessional and let the club and the fans down.

 

There is no real reason for a footballer to be out drinking until 3am

 

How about Doctors, Surgeons, Policemen, Accountants?

NickG

NickG

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they need to be able to perform their role - don't think I would like a surgeon who had been drinking til 3 operating on me next day. I know he had no game for a week but to perform his role he needs to be in peak fitness. He would be fitter if he wasn't out p1ssed at the weekend.

smithy

smithy

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they need to be able to perform their role - don't think I would like a surgeon who had been drinking til 3 operating on me next day. I know he had no game for a week but to perform his role he needs to be in peak fitness. He would be fitter if he wasn't out p1ssed at the weekend.

 

A bit unfair I think, we all have jobs, some more important than others, but just because he's a footballer doesn't mean he's not allowed out on the p!ss, just like anyone else.

 

Getting into fights is a different matter however....

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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JOhn B

 

 

Just think he has been unprofessional and let the club and the fans down.

 

 

What are you basing you cooment on . a few ****ed customers , an erroneous echo report and half this forum claiming they had a son who was out with friends and witnessed the incident

John B

John B

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JOhn B

 

 

Just think he has been unprofessional and let the club and the fans down.

 

 

What are you basing you cooment on . a few ****ed customers , an erroneous echo report and half this forum claiming they had a son who was out with friends and witnessed the incident

 

Do you actually know what professional means ?

 

He is professional athlete earning loads os money compared to you and me and should do everything to maintain his fitness.

aintforever

aintforever

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Do you actually know what professional means ?

 

He is professional athlete earning loads os money compared to you and me and should do everything to maintain his fitness.

 

There is nothing wrong with staying out to 3am, or having a few beers. Sure drinking too much, or drinking too near a game is not on but one night out letting off steam is not a bad thing. Getting in a fight is dumb though.

 

Didn't Brian Clough take his Forest team out for a beer the night before they won the European Cup?

 

"I like women and I like to go out and enjoy myself, which is why people can identify with me. The night has always been my friend. When I go out I feel good, then I always score goals."

Romario

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smithy

smithy

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Do you actually know what professional means ?

 

He is professional athlete earning loads os money compared to you and me and should do everything to maintain his fitness.

 

Are you the Athlete God?

NickG

NickG

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A bit unfair I think, we all have jobs, some more important than others, but just because he's a footballer doesn't mean he's not allowed out on the p!ss, just like anyone else.

 

Getting into fights is a different matter however....

 

of course he is allowed. Just wish highly paid footballers were as dedicated to maximising their performance as other sportsman are - divers, runner, rowers etc - wouldn't happen as they know (as do footballers) it adversely effects their performance

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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Do you actually know what professional means ?

 

He is professional athlete earning loads os money compared to you and me and should do everything to maintain his fitness.

 

Completely agree with this. Barnard and other professional footballers claim they are paid huge wages because they have short sharp careers - well if that's true then they need to earn that privilege by acting like professional athletes and looking after themselves. If they can't stand the heat then get out the f-ing kitchen!

 

While I think about it, I was a little shocked when watching one of the latest vids on Saintsplayer. While the interview went on, the team were seen training at Staplewood and in the background Lambert could be seen yawning his f-ing head off! In the first instance I didn't think anything of it, but then on reflection I started thinking that this just typifies how he's looking on the pitch at the moment - tired and lazy. And I don't give a fook about the incoming childish abuse from all those who think Lambert can do no wrong - no one player is above reproach when he's being paid by the supporters to perform IMHO. Honeymoon over - I think NA needs to crack down on discipline in the squad pretty damn hard now.

aintforever

aintforever

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of course he is allowed. Just wish highly paid footballers were as dedicated to maximising their performance as other sportsman are - divers, runner, rowers etc - wouldn't happen as they know (as do footballers) it adversely effects their performance

 

But athleticism is only part of what being a footballer is about, there is no point being fit physically if you are not fit mentally. I think it does footballers good to let of steam every now and again because being a footballer is a pressurised job.

 

Being unfit will effect their performance, but so will being unhappy.

darranl

darranl

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god they are still human and are allowed to drink party and do whatever they like whats all the fuss about there was a fight and that happens all the time in town

ghq

ghq

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There is obviously a huge element of doubt. If it was as clear cut as some posters would have us believe then I am sure Barney would have charged by now. Innocent until proven guilty, that is what English Law is all about, so get behind LB, show our support for him as a Saints player.

 

Agree the Club should take some action against the three of them, out p!"£$d up at 3am is not what I would expect, fine would be suitable in this instance, but the supprters need to get behind Barney, remember he is innocent until proven guilty and remember Dave Jones.............

 

I was under the impression that if one is not charged, bail is not required. Not that I'm up on these matters.

ChrisPY

ChrisPY

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of course he is allowed. Just wish highly paid footballers were as dedicated to maximising their performance as other sportsman are - divers, runner, rowers etc - wouldn't happen as they know (as do footballers) it adversely effects their performance

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4104544.Olympic__diving_star_to_miss_championships_after_nightclub_assault/

diver out past midnight at a nightclub getting in fight shocker.

Turkish

Turkish

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So, is this is a separate incident from the White House one, which also involved glassing and three people arrested ???

 

err yeah, it says it was on friday night and inside the Ice house, so a different day in a different place, i can see why you thought they'd be the same though :?

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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So, is this is a separate incident from the White House one, which also involved glassing and three people arrested ???

 

Makes you wonder whether there is a connection regarding the w******s involved?

SaintRichmond

SaintRichmond

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err yeah, it says it was on friday night and inside the Ice house, so a different day in a different place, i can see why you thought they'd be the same though :?

 

You missed my irony

 

To me, quite a coincidence that there would be TWO separate incidents, TWO separate glassings, and TWO sets of three people arrested

 

Obviously, thsi sort of thing goes on every night

Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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Yes John B I know what professional means.

 

are you a social worker or some mamby pamby liberal basing your thought on what may have happened on others.

 

For all we know Barnard me have been acting very professional . drinking sensibly if he was drinking. But if your provoked it can trigger the red mist button. ask david prutton. I supppoe he could have just walked out mut then again those provoking him would have intensified their abuse if this is what had happened. male pride has a part to play as well and perhaps he retaliated by defending himself.

 

If your saying all professional footballers should go home have a cup of hot chocolate and be in bed each night by 9PM then you are living in a crazy world

 

Barnard is innocent until proven guilty , (shame the jury is made up of members of this forum)

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