Redbul Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I think all this talk of hanging Barnard is a massive overreaction, which is all I'd expect from this knee-jerking, Daily Mail-readers forum. Being sensible and pragmatic about this, he should be given a custodial sentence of around 3 years and banned from playing professional football for another 2 years once he is out. I think that kind of punishment will teach him the valuable lesson he clearly needs. At last, the voice of reason....!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 The Whitehouse FFS?! I can understand players wanting a beer after a good home win - especially when there is no match for a week. But why go to the Whitehouse on a Saturday night? Silly. He should have gone next door to Aqua Lounge instead, wouldn't have been trouble there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Ah the self righteousness of internet warriors. The horror that the players were out drinking..... Yet only a couple of years ago we were happily reading reports of players out at Cactus Jacks or other establishments. Perhaps some are showing distaste from a class perspective? Maybe they didn't like the venue and felt it should have been more up market? - gang - these are League 1 players they may not get paid enough to afford some of the posher parts of town. As for the indignation, hell, so many on here must lead dull boring and unispiring lives if they are so pure and perfect that they have never stood up for a friend or family or female in the wrong place at the right time. FWIW my opinion on this? WGS would never have allowed it. NA is new in town and so it is time for a laying down of the rules again, but it is NOt time for over reaction and throwing away the key. Let the Police first, then the CPS and then if needed the courst make the decision. Professional sportsmen letting their hair down with alcohol after a big win..... Bet there are many millionaires sh*t faced in South Wales tonight, hell many of them were seen drinking on global TV - should they be sacked? WHEN we know the facts THEN we can judge. Until then there are far too many hypocrites on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Until then there are far too many hypocrites on here TBF , I dont think many of us are earning thousands of pounds a week as a professional footballer, represententing this city & being idolised by thousands of kids ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 phil, firstly there are no posh places in town !! secondly it can be about how you conduct yourself whilst out, to use one example Benali, saw him out alot in town when playing, very unassuming, spoke and shook hands with many never saw a headline about him iirc, however, times have changed and perhaps there are too many jealous types about the town who target our footballers, therefore its best if they are selective about where they do go and s h itehouse should be one to avoid. It may transpire the guy was hit with a bottle of evian and fell awkwardly causing the injury, however it turns out LB's very presence reflects badly on him as a professional imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 phil, firstly there are no posh places in town !! secondly it can be about how you conduct yourself whilst out, to use one example Benali, saw him out alot in town when playing, very unassuming, spoke and shook hands with many never saw a headline about him iirc, however, times have changed and perhaps there are too many jealous types about the town who target our footballers, therefore its best if they are selective about where they do go and s h itehouse should be one to avoid. It may transpire the guy was hit with a bottle of evian and fell awkwardly causing the injury, however it turns out LB's very presence reflects badly on him as a professional imo Admitedly I am older than Barnard, but you wouldnt catch me in Whitehouse. There are better places you can go in town as a footballer for a drink or two without getting yourself in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 My mate was given a years sentence for hitting a bloke and knocking him out. Me thinks if he glassed someone then he will be looking at a little more than a years sentence. The lack of beds doesn't come into it. They go inside, end of. a landlord I knew (dss housing, not boozer) once smacked one of his tenants in the face, no idea why. He was a tw*t btw, and imo fully deserved the 2 years he drew. And before anyone thinks he was a friend, he wasnt, he was very loosely related on my wifes side, her brother's father in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 It would never have happened in Strachans day. Time to stamp this out Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 The Whitehouse is just a bar, there is nothing wrong with Barnard being there at 3am having a few beers (along as it's not too much). He's 20 something, has money to burn and had just won a derby game so was probably still buzzing with the adrenalin - I'm not surprised he didn't fancy staying in watching Xfactor. Like most people his age would he went out to have a laff and find some slapper. Unfortunately he appears to have screwed up big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 personally don't think players should go out getting p1ssed, more dedicated less rewarded sportsman don't. But they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 personally don't think players should go out getting p1ssed, more dedicated less rewarded sportsman don't. But they do. Rooney, Gerrard to name but two who have been caught out while out on the town. Not every footballer is David Beckham Perhaps Miguel Angel Jimenez set a bad example by consuming two bottles of Rioja the night before he beat W******d in a playoff down here in February. Personally, I find anyone who doesn't understand that moment of the evening when their need for a beer scooter as not particularly bright, and maybe Lee fell into that category. However, we have all been in unsavoury bars in our time, and no, it was never wise the next morning, but we also have no idea whether this had actually become a "ususal haunt" for the new guys in teh way Cactus Jacks was for Claus and the lads in the past. Anyone old enough to have seen Mick Channon, Ossie & Bally at Salisbury Races in mid afternoon will understand - this is what young lads do - they party. I'll condemn him WHEN I see facts. Again, I defy anyone who is a bloke to deny that they have never grabbed a handful of lose coins or checked where the nearest bottle is when they have been confronted aggressively by more than one leary person. Doesn't mean we had to USE that defense, simply we checked all the fight or flight options - that is ingrained human nature. Pre-meditated, walking across a bar and whacking someone with a glass or bottle is something the law will deal with, followed by the club. I wait to see if this was the case or if it was a defensive (but misguided) action. But to call for him to be "sacked" when the likes of Lee Hughes/Stan Collymore are still playing (or played) football simply harms the club and I'm sorry - I have no respect for anyone who wishes harm on our club financially or otherwise WITHOUT THE FACTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 This will be that drinking culture of Pardew's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 perhaps Rooney and Gerrard would not have played hugely below their undoubted ability in the world cup if they lived their life's differently? Top performers in rowing, diving etc stop drinking and late nights years before an event to ensure they will be at their best - but footballers believe they can be at their physical peak while staying up getting p1ssed every week. Clearly not uncommon though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Did someone take the **** out of his 80's style flick? He should be fined by the Club for poor taste. I mean drinking in the ****eHouse? He needs to be a bit more discerning. Seriously though, some poor bastard is/was in hospital unnecessarily and if Barnard did glass him, he's probably in the **** big time. Oh well, best get someone in on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 perhaps Rooney and Gerrard would not have played hugely below their undoubted ability in the world cup if they lived their life's differently? Top performers in rowing, diving etc stop drinking and late nights years before an event to ensure they will be at their best - but footballers believe they can be at their physical peak while staying up getting p1ssed every week. Clearly not uncommon though Best and Gazza managed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 This will be that drinking culture of Pardew's... Hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Best and Gazza managed it Yes they did, but they were a pair of the most technically gifted of players of their time. A similar player these days would be the likes of Ronaldinho, incredible technically and so able to get away with the odd drink or so extra. What with the main bulk of players these days you need to be very much at the peak physically and this is often a big factor in decided what league you play in. Pace, stamina and strength are massive massive attributes that are considered as pretty much a necessity in the game these days, this is why IMO players need to stay in peak shape physically between the years of 18-35. It is hardly a long time is it ?? Especially when earning upwards of 10k a week FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Best and Gazza managed it Salisbury Saints had a great event for Nick Holmes's testimonial year. I vaguely remember Nick, Moran, Armstrong being there and a bunch of others. My only other recollection was the politeness as we all offered each other to go first to get a taxi back from the Greyhound in Wilton. Footballers drinking eh? Foreign Coaches have been trying to stop them since they first came to England and introduced our players to Pasta... And yet most of the Italian WC squad were down here for a legends weekend - guess what - Bullfrogs, Yorke & Seaview & Cannavaro was out trying to beat Budgie at Karaoke last week. And man if it wasn't a (oops was married at the time) issuefor me you should see the photos of the All Blacks Rugby Team, Jonah Lomu & all at the 7's with my ex a few years ago, or Ian Poulter standing on stage singing a version of Wonderwall 5 years ago, Lee & Darren getting my current missus trashed last year or even Rory last Feb. No, they shouldn't. Yes they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I have only ever seen one saints player ****ed and then he became our manager? The ones I have been out with previously never got blootered. not in public anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 personally don't think players should go out getting p1ssed, more dedicated less rewarded sportsman don't. But they do. I agree with you NickG. At the end of the day they are not part time footballers, football is their profession and they get very well paid. They are also role models and abassadors for the football club. I'm not suggesting they should be hermits, just stick together and understand that they are not normal 20 somethings. If I was Nigel Adkins i'd back LB 100% (even if i thought he was a cvnt), but i'd get the whole squad together and spell out how it is and from now on make it clear that they either socialise quietly with the families or go out drinking on organised club do's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Just another night in sh1tehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Best and Gazza managed it what to fall to fulfill their potential due to lack of dedication? Yes they both did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I agree with you NickG. At the end of the day they are not part time footballers, football is their profession and they get very well paid. They are also role models and abassadors for the football club. I'm not suggesting they should be hermits, just stick together and understand that they are not normal 20 somethings. If I was Nigel Adkins i'd back LB 100% (even if i thought he was a cvnt), but i'd get the whole squad together and spell out how it is and from now on make it clear that they either socialise quietly with the families or go out drinking on organised club do's. i remember my Dad taking me to a reserve game at the Dell, must've been about 1991, got there early to get some autographers and steve wood and terry hurlock fell out of a cab completely drunk, not sure if they were due to be playing that day, but goes to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 all the drinking players mentioned would have been likely to have performed better if they were better athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 You can't judge someone if they get p1ssed up and have a row, I personally hope he gets off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Best and Gazza managed it Yeah, Gazza's a great example of someone who didn't let off-field issues hamper them in achieving their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Blimey another mess... just when we thought the tide was turning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 This will be that drinking culture of Pardew's... Errr, I think Pardew's been gon elong enough - its NA's culture now, and he should stamp this out, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Heard about this on Sunday morning through a mate and was surprised. Nothing wrong with the lads going out after a game and enjoying themselves however its disappointing to hear that many of these players get involved in violence like this. They are role models to many young kids out there but I guess we have to accept they haven't all been brought up the same so some revert to violence when mixed with alcohol. I'm sure the matter will be dealt with internally by the club and the police as I'm sure Cortese won't like having the clubs name splashed across the news regarding this matter. I've seen Rickie & others many a time out in Southampton after having a few drinks, there is nothing wrong with that but violence yes there is and it isn't acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Errr, I think Pardew's been gon elong enough - its NA's culture now, and he should stamp this out, IMHO. No no we can blame the whole season on Pardew. This isn't even a manger thing the players are grown adults they should be able to work out that going to a known trouble spot in the city centre after a home match to a local team might not be the brightest idea in the world the manager shouldn't have to spell it out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Sneak preview of our 20011/2012 kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 Storm in a teacup I reckon. OK so he might have given someone a clip - big deal. Hope his hand is OK and he plays Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 eg, our claus He did that many years before retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 You can't judge someone if they get p1ssed up and have a row, I personally hope he gets off. I dunno whether I agree yet. I probably do as it's best for the club, but i'll wait and see what the exact circumstances were and how badly injured whoever got hit is. If it'd been a punch i'd have no hesitation in back LB, but bottles and knives are a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 i remember my Dad taking me to a reserve game at the Dell, must've been about 1991, got there early to get some autographers and steve wood and terry hurlock fell out of a cab completely drunk, not sure if they were due to be playing that day, but goes to show. It was a different world then, players have to be fitter now the FA have told referees to be more strict. A player like Hurlock wouldn't be as effective now - that said he wasn't that effective then either.;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 He did that many years before retiring. For example the night before our 4-1 defeat at Fratton in the relegation season. Or so I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 There’s an article in today’s echo featuring that cage fighter where he’s saying how he witnessed the ‘brawl’. I’m not sure if the old bill will be happy about that, as it could prejudice any case they may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 Come on we dont play until saturday, so the players not having a drink is a tad extreme. i agree if they are out of their heads it is not good. As for bottling glassing, are they glass or plastic? If LB has bottled /glassed someone then I can't defend him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 There’s an article in today’s echo featuring that cage fighter where he’s saying how he witnessed the ‘brawl’. I’m not sure if the old bill will be happy about that, as it could prejudice any case they may have. Can someone please tell me what the article says. The online Echo just teases and I work in Skateland so can't just nip out and get a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 It wouldn't surprise me if he got a mouthful of abuse from someone and lashed out and I wouldn't blame him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locksheathslim Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 You can't judge someone if they get p1ssed up and have a row, I personally hope he gets off. Are you serious? Nobody forces anyone to drink, and nobody forces anyone to get drunk. If you choose to get drunk you are still responsible for your own actions, and then you have to take the consequences. Would you apply the same logic to a drunk driver who knocks someone down and injures them? "It's not my fault officer, I'd had a few drinks". If Barnard is innocent I hope he gets off, but if he is guilty, he deserves to have the book thrown at him. Being p1ssed is NO excuse. These highly paid players have a responsibility to the fans, the club and themselves to behave in a way that reflects well on all concerned. Having a few drinks to relax is one thing. Getting involved in drink-fuelled violence is completely unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 LB was was totally ret arsed other wise he would not have got street bail fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 We might get a new striker now whos better then him and quicker, he doesn't deserve are backing hes a **** for getting involved in a fight we have all this bad press about the club makes us all look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 He shouldn't have been there. He has a choice - dedicated sportsman in peak condition or party boy - you can't be both. Yes they are young men, they have money, they want to relax, and they may be drinking quietly and behaving themselves BUT they are paid very well to play football and represent the club on and off the pitch, they have chosen a profession that requires strict dietary discipline if you want to succeed. If one of our players was assaulted by pikey scum we would be livid. Let's hope the facts when they come out show that our player isn't in fact the pikey scum. We have to put aside the fact that he's been one of our best players, it's irrelevant to disciplinary matters - he needs a club fine just for being there for starters - I'm afraid his presence at that place and time brings the club into disrepute. I do hope his part is proven to be that of an innocent bystander, if not, he's in big trouble inside and outside the football club. And from a selfish point of view, the worst part will be that he's damaged our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 LB was was totally ret arsed other wise he would not have got street bail fact IF you are completely rat arsed, how CAPABLE would you be with a broken bottle ??? I would have thought that if you got in that sort of state, you would not be capable of doing anything other than fall over and throw up ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 IF you are completely rat arsed, how CAPABLE would you be with a broken bottle ??? I would have thought that if you got in that sort of state, you would not be capable of doing anything other than fall over and throw up ??? Strange definition, rat arsed doesnt mean incapable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Gorilla 5 Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 LB was was totally ret arsed other wise he would not have got street bail fact If you are rat arsed you cannot be given street bail. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 IF you are completely rat arsed, how CAPABLE would you be with a broken bottle ??? I would have thought that if you got in that sort of state, you would not be capable of doing anything other than fall over and throw up ??? sorry meant was not totally rat arsed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 Strange definition, rat arsed doesnt mean incapable What is your interpretation of "Rat Arsed" then ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 5 October, 2010 Share Posted 5 October, 2010 Took me almost a minute to cut and upload my avatar. Way to go and waste my time barney! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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