alpine_saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Innocent until proven otherwise However, no place in our team if he is guilty Simples What a load of pious b*ll*cks. It was probably a gobby Bournemouth fan asking for it. Hardly a Lee Hughes or Lee McCormack. He wont even get a custodial sentence for this. What is it about the name Lee ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I would surmise that if Barnard was given 'street bail' then the Police did not suspect him of being involved in the more serious aspects of the disturbance. If he was the one accused of attacking the 27-year-old who was unconscious then he wouldn't have been bailed and instead would have been treated for his hand injury whilst in custody. My guess is that he, along with the 19 other people who were arrested, will have to surrender his bail at a later date when inquiries have been completed. Only 6 arrests, not 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 What a load of pious b*ll*cks. It was probably a gobby Bournemouth fan asking for it. Hardly a Lee Hughes or Lee McCormack. He wont even get a custodial sentence for this. What is it about the name Lee ?? Lee Bowyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 What a load of pious b*ll*cks. It was probably a gobby Bournemouth fan asking for it. Hardly a Lee Hughes or Lee McCormack. He wont even get a custodial sentence for this. What is it about the name Lee ?? Luke McCormack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 This 125th Centenary year just keeps getting better. You summed it up perfectly. Just when things seem back on track, another problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Luke McCormack Luke McCormack situation was different - i'm not sure you could draw many comparisons between accidental death by driving and bottling somebody in a nightclub...not that i'm defending LM of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Luke McCormack situation was different - i'm not sure you could draw many comparisons between accidental death by driving and bottling somebody in a nightclub...not that i'm defending LM of course. I was correcting him that his name wasn't Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I hope he's guilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place and the wrong time or worst case scenario knocking some guy out in an act of self deffence. He's been absolute quality for us this season and doesn't seem the type for this sort of thing, anyone know who was with him? If he is guilty then I'd follow the line of not wanting to see him in a saints shirt ever again, I wouldn't even want a transfer fee for him as it wold be tainted money in my book. I can't stand people who get drunk and start fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Town drinking is not the place for our Footballers, far too many heads looking for a row, both homegrown nobjockeys and 'outsiders', reactionary or not whoever struck the guy causing a serious head wound, in principle, will be looking at a custodial. All 'pro' footballers should be banned from High Street venues to avoid these situations, go for a nice meal and a few sociables thus avoiding the percentage of dinlos that frequent the high street bars/clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 whatever happened to Jordan Robertson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 People are blowing this way out of proportion, as per usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 My friends son was out with him and he glassed the door man apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Town drinking is not the place for our Footballers, far too many heads looking for a row, both homegrown nobjockeys and 'outsiders', reactionary or not whoever struck the guy causing a serious head wound, in principle, will be looking at a custodial. All 'pro' footballers should be banned from High Street venues to avoid these situations, go for a nice meal and a few sociables thus avoiding the percentage of dinlos that frequent the high street bars/clubs He will not get a custodial sentence. There arent enough prison beds for this kind of crime to justify prison space. It will be community punishment of some sort and a big fine. Plus mateys looking at 8 - 10 k compo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 whatever happened to Jordan Robertson? Has another 20 months in prison to serve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 why didn't they just go drinking some where like Winchester instead? Not a good idea when the manager and assistant manager will be living there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 The fact that he was treated for a hand injury makes it all the more worrying. If you come out of a fight with just a hand injury, that suggest aggressor. Not in any way making judgement for or against any person who may or may not have been involved in this reported incident. However a lot of wounds to hands and arms are also the result of defensive actions not just aggressive. Especially when a person is defending themselves against assault by weapon, (knife, bottle, police casco etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I was correcting him that his name wasn't Lee I know that, but I used your post to make the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Anyone doubting he'll go to jail......... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7409943.stm Admittedly Mr Barton has previous, but he didn't use a weapon in his...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 If that un-substantiated rummor is true then lock him up and throw away the key, anyone who would glass someone no matter how much they have had to drink is a scumbag of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 What a load of pious b*ll*cks. It was probably a gobby Bournemouth fan asking for it. Hardly a Lee Hughes or Lee McCormack. He wont even get a custodial sentence for this. What is it about the name Lee ?? I stand by the opinion If he is proved guilty of glassing someone, then after his prison stretch he can find somewhere else to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 My friends son was out with him and he glassed the door man apparently. How reliable do you reckon your friend's son is, and do you reckon thats accurate? if it is, LB is likely to be facing rather more than a fine and community service imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Now on BBC; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11464685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 as if he will go to jail, I was punched in the face and then kicked in the head when i was on the ground and the fella was given a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 as if he will go to jail, I was punched in the face and then kicked in the head when i was on the ground and the fella was given a warning. nasty. A glassings a bit different when you get to court tho, isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 An unusually sober response to this thread by most. This was once a seriously beer swilling, pub crawling and early morning partying club, and that was only the players. I only just managed to avoid running over four of them as they fell off the pavement on one occasion. Those days I hoped had gone, and I expect better from professional sportsmen. 3.00am in a notorious nightspot counts for two mistakes, and that is before anything else happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Why do pubs and clubs where there are incidents of this nature continue to serve alcohol in glasses? Surely the solution is simplicity itself; all they have to do is to make it obligatory to sell drinks in a plastic receptacle. I seem to recall a radio debate on this very point just last week, but don't know what the outcome was. But it appears that in situations like this one, the repercussions would have been much less serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Bloody idiot. What a way to follow up your best performance of the season. Did he do it 6 weeks ago then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Not sure why we have another thread on it cos it's here from last night: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25606-Rumours-of-Saints-player-being-arrested-after-trouble I think you wanted this thread http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25588-Time-for-a-fresh-start good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 He will not get a custodial sentence. There arent enough prison beds for this kind of crime to justify prison space. It will be community punishment of some sort and a big fine. Plus mateys looking at 8 - 10 k compo Why not a custodial ? If someone strikes another with a bottle or glass causing a serious wound with intent as used a weapon then, cases that I know of, the guilty individual ended up with a custodial, factor in the 'victim' may have just been trying to do his job compounds the situation. Compensation at the level you suggest would infer a serious injury, can't see anyone painting subways and cutting down bushes after being found guilty of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Looks like the story has some legs then - it matters not whether he was provoked - anyone glassing somebody is a complete @rse and should be locked up. And anyone defending that action would be best to consider how they might feel if it was their Son, Dad or loved one on the receiving end of a vicious attack that at best scared them for life or left them unconcious in hospital? What a fine role model eh? Barnard should never have been out on the lash in town while under contract during a vital playing season, let alone getting involved in serious public disorder - it's professional misconduct in itself surely and so regardless of the legal ramifications I cannot see NC/NA having many other options but to terminate his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethallee Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 You cannot stop footballers going out on the town, they have as much right as the next person. However I do accept that they need to behave and not get caught up in brawls etc... But same goes for anyone really whether your high profile or not. Ok he has injured hand which does not look good but he may of been acting in self defence. If I was attacked for no reason then I would naturally try to defend myself even if it meant landing some punches myself !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazd83 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 I hope he's guilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place and the wrong time or worst case scenario knocking some guy out in an act of self deffence. He's been absolute quality for us this season and doesn't seem the type for this sort of thing, anyone know who was with him? If he is guilty then I'd follow the line of not wanting to see him in a saints shirt ever again, I wouldn't even want a transfer fee for him as it wold be tainted money in my book. I can't stand people who get drunk and start fights. No-one has said anything about starting it. In fact, I very much doubt he just randomly chinned someone for the sake of it. No doubt provocation was there although any form of retaliation from someone in Barney's position is stupid. (Especially retaliating with a bottle) As for never seeing him in a saints shirt again?? A slight exageration me-thinks. Would we have said the same about LeTiss in his time? People make mistakes, it is over-coming these errors and changing his ways that will make a man. Look at Joey Barton and all his past issues. I take my hat off to him as he seems to have turned a corner and is now playing some good football in the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 oh dear we will have to wat until Wednesday to find out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 nasty. A glassings a bit different when you get to court tho, isnt it? if he glassed him then yeah it is worse, although the papers havent been that specific yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 How do we know LB was on the ****ed. he may have been drinking soft drinks or maybe was restricting himself to a couple of pints only. We do not know the facts until that happens I will wait for the true facts to be established as to what happened and who did what to each other? As for Orly. was your friends son involved then if he was out with LB? or are you basing your statement based on the fact your friends son might just have been in the same drinking establishment as LB and Co. When your well ****ed the truth gets well and truly distorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 What do we know about the guy that got hit with the bottle. was he just an innocent bystander or just a gobby T**T who thought he could take on the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 The Whitehouse FFS?! I can understand players wanting a beer after a good home win - especially when there is no match for a week. But why go to the Whitehouse on a Saturday night? Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Took my 8 year old nipper to St Mary's for the 1st time in a couple of years on saturday .... he came away so excited, talking about his favorite players Lambert & Barnard all day yesterday. These players are role models for young kids ...... So thanks Barnard for setting such a wonderful example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 to be honest professional footballers should not be out on the town at 2.00am in the morning- eitheron a Saturday night after a game or on any other day of the week they shouldn't be drinking alcohol either they are paid an awful lot of money to live healthy lives, eat healthy and play football - that's why they are paid £3000 a week- over £150,000 a year - to be professional sportsmen whatever else happened the players should get fined a weeks wages and put under curfew just for that if anything else happened they should get punished by the law just like anyone else - and if that means going to prison they should get kicked out of the club on constructive dismissal and sued for the value of their contract - or what's left of it anyway! sure people deserve a second chance but they also have to take responisbility for their actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 (edited) There was an article in the Echo recently where the Whitehouse's licence was only renewed on the condition that they improve security and serve drinks in plastic glasses (if I recall correctly) This was due to it being a major trouble spot. So a glassing seems unlikely. If it was a glassing, i wouldn't have thought he would have been arrested under suspicion of assault. Wounding or GBH would be more likely for glassing. As someone already stated, if he had glassed someone, he would have been taken into custody there and then and received treatment at the nick Edited 4 October, 2010 by Prince Jazzbo Poor spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Its like deja vu . Bring back the alehouse brawlers of the seventees (or was it late sixties) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 There was an article in the Echo recently where the Whitehouse's licence was only renewed on the condition that they improve securuty and serve drinks in plastic glasses (if I recall correctly) This was due to it being a major trouble spot. So a glassing seems unlikely. If it was a glassing, i wouldn't have thought he would have been arrested under suspicion of assault. Wounding or GBH would be more likely for glassing. As someone already stated, if he had glassed someone, he would have been taken into custody there are then and received treatment at the nick And if he has glassed someone he will probably be done on section 18 GBH and go to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Took my 8 year old nipper to St Mary's for the 1st time in a couple of years on saturday .... he came away so excited, talking about his favorite players Lambert & Barnard all day yesterday. These players are role models for young kids ...... So thanks Barnard for setting such a wonderful example. Innocent until proven guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraftwerk26 Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 What a silly silly boy if this is true...gutted if he gets ****ed off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 being 49 and with the marriage shackles firmly in place that infos not a hell of a lot of use to me mate, but thanks for the thought. And I was joking, winchesters ok, I always liked the Exchange and the Jolly Farmer when I worked up there. I hear you as a married with 2.4 kids. All I can do is look back and remember when 21 year old women where obtainable and not just a object of my grubby fantasies:cry: I was always a guildhall tavern man back in my day or the vine ahh the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Why not a custodial ? If someone strikes another with a bottle or glass causing a serious wound with intent as used a weapon then, cases that I know of, the guilty individual ended up with a custodial, factor in the 'victim' may have just been trying to do his job compounds the situation. Compensation at the level you suggest would infer a serious injury, can't see anyone painting subways and cutting down bushes after being found guilty of that. My friend got facial scarring and 8k compo. The offender didnt get a custodial sentence. The solicitor said it was commonplace...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Carlisle have had the same issue with striker Gary Madine after he assualted a guy in a pub, they've decided to give him their full support. Apparently he scored a hatrick after his court apperance. I can't see Nigel and NC being so supportive TBH http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/carlisle_united/9045292.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 Calm down, calm down....Innocent until proven guilty.... He's been bailed suggesting that more evidnece needs to be gathered so it's not clear cut. If he hit someone with a bottle then he had this to hand and could claim self defence; if he glassed someone that's a different case all together, that suggests a degree of premeditation and the consequences would be much more serious. Anyway, he's bailed to return on Wednesday....until then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 About time we had some decent action to talk about :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 4 October, 2010 Share Posted 4 October, 2010 My friend got facial scarring and 8k compo. The offender didnt get a custodial sentence. The solicitor said it was commonplace...... My best mate was on jury duty a few years ago on a case like this. An asian guy was accused of glassing a white guy and left him seriously disfigured, the outcome was that it couldn't be proved that he hadn't been provoked, so he got let off without even having to pay the guy any compensation. Will have to be a lot of evidence against him for Barnard to go down for any length of time. BTW, if you are a professional sportsman and you earn your living through your ability with your feet, wouldn't you be a bit miffed if someone did something that could torpedo your gravy boat? Not that it is justification for a serious attack with a bottle, but I can imagine any highly paid sportsman getting upset if someone did something to their person that could put a holt to their career any length of time. Seeing as we still look fairly toothless in front of goal at the moment and Barney being the only one showing any sign of changing that, dropping him without an adequate replacement is nuts, we need the points so badly at the moment that he has to play on until he's been judged in a court of law or Adkins has got a decent if not better replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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