Bournemouth chairman "not welcome" directors box (sigh)

[saint_mears]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

 

Investing with richard Carr LOL

 

Your a total joke mush and should be hung drawn a quartered for your bullsh1te delay in our purchase last year.

 

Care to tell us why the football league wouldnt sanction your purchase with 'micky fialka' ?

[benjii]

Hi Tony,

 

Welcome back to the forum.

 

What makes you so sure about the above ownership statement? As it happens I think I get your drift and tend to agree, but are you making that statement as a general observation or have you, perhaps, heard in your business circles that 'something' is afoot regarding our ownership situation?

 

Cheers

 

Let's not encourage him, eh?

[Crab Lungs]

Good.

 

He's a (0ck, Bournemouth fans are (0cks and hopefully they'll get smashed back down to earth. I'm absolutely sick of hearing them giving it the large one on Solent, it's as if they're obsessed. Oh no, wait, they are.

 

Bournemouth = Portsmouth's retarded little brother.

 

(PS: Kudos to Tony Lynam's post - spot on. Though I suspect most of our frothing-at-the-mouth fanbase won't take a blind bit of notice and will continue to whinge, moan and gripe at every opportunity. Hint, people: We almost didn't exist not long ago and we probably would be in a pretty sh1tty state if NC/ML hadn't have invested their time, money and effort in us).

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Crab Lungs

[Joensuu]

In short space of time he has fallen out with the contractors at Staplewood*, a manager**, ex Saints legends***, the media****, a local football club*****, staff at SMS****** and a section of the fanbase*******

 

*rumoured, but possible, and likely for good reason if true.

** definate, but for unknown, probably good, reason.

***strongly rumoured, and seems likely, but if it has happened, for unknown, possibly good, reason.

****definately, and for good reason.

*****seemingly, but we've only heard half the story, thankfully one of the clubs is acting professionally.

******rumoured.

*******agreed, the ones who see the steam rising from a kettle, so jump to the conclusion it's smoke, and ring the fire brigade. 2 + 2 = ?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Where has this "unpaid bar bill" stuff come from? The last (and indeed only) time I've been in the directors lounge before a game, it was a cash bar, i.e. if you don't pay at the point of purchase, you don't get the drink.

 

I'm not really that fussed about Mitchell, he's a complete gob****e, but it does seem somewhat contrary that all the club's official statements bang the "we will continue to run the club in a professional manner" drum, when I would imagine the "professional" thing to do on this occasion is to rise above his comments and simply ignore them.

 

Indeed

[Jonnyboy]

I didn't say there was "major booing" - merely that there was definitely booing by some people in my area that could be heard by me, and presumably some others.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Some people enjoy rushing to judgment and getting afronted - it was probably just a small group of them.

 

ive never thought about it since but now everyone mentions it - i heard a muted boo for cortese but i dont think it was after the game as in that video, we were all too happy having just won a cup

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with [as reproduced by the BBC's Paul Fletcher in his blog], which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

 

 

Again THIS, some people need to open their eyes

[Junction 9]

Indeed

 

Are you seriously telling me that if an owner or chairman visits St Mary's on a matchday, he gets escorted to the directors lounge only to be told that if he wants a drink there's a cash bar over there? I somehow doubt it.

[sadoldgit]

*rumoured, but possible, and likely for good reason if true.

** definate, but for unknown, probably good, reason.

***strongly rumoured, and seems likely, but if it has happened, for unknown, possibly good, reason.

****definately, and for good reason.

*****seemingly, but we've only heard half the story, thankfully one of the clubs is acting professionally.

******rumoured.

*******agreed, the ones who see the steam rising from a kettle, so jump to the conclusion it's smoke, and ring the fire brigade. 2 + 2 = ?

 

Not steam.

[Matthew Le God]

Again THIS, some people need to open their eyes

 

I refer you to the question I asked Steve three times without an answer.

[Joensuu]

Not steam.

 

I think there must be something wrong with your kettle...

[scott_saints]

I don't give two s**ts, but then again- most of the threads on here that I couldn't give a f**k about become the most popular ones. You bunch of weirdos.

 

That is all.

[Wes Tender]

I asked some time ago that the title of this thread be altered to better reflect something more accurate, as the Chairman of Bournemouth Football Club has NOT been banned from the Director's box. Others have also asked for the same. A moderator has contributed to the thread and no doubt others have looked in. And yet none of them has made that small adjustment, meaning on the face of it, that many have just read the title and posted their thoughts without reading that it is all tosh.

[aintforever]

Are you seriously telling me that if an owner or chairman visits St Mary's on a matchday, he gets escorted to the directors lounge only to be told that if he wants a drink there's a cash bar over there? I somehow doubt it.

 

I think they are getting the directors lounge mixed up with the directors guest room which has a cash bar.

[Deppo]

I think they are getting the directors lounge mixed up with the directors guest room which has a cash bar.

 

I think you are wrong. I have no reason to doubt that stevegrant and FF have been in the Director's Lounge at SMS. Probably on a few occasions. They are well connected and have no reason to lie, you know. They don't have anti-Cortese agendas.

[trousers]

I asked some time ago that the title of this thread be altered to better reflect something more accurate, as the Chairman of Bournemouth Football Club has NOT been banned from the Director's box. Others have also asked for the same. A moderator has contributed to the thread and no doubt others have looked in. And yet none of them has made that small adjustment, meaning on the face of it, that many have just read the title and posted their thoughts without reading that it is all tosh.

 

It does seem a tad odd that the title has remained intact. They're normally quite quick to fix inaccuracies.

[Dig Dig]

It does seem a tad odd that the title has remained intact. They're normally quite quick to fix inaccuracies.

 

Almost as quick as updating the latest news. Can't believe Pardew was sacked!

[Goalie66]

I don't see anyone saying they love Cortese. Just lots of rational posters who are defending him because they recognised that the Echo story is indeed inflamatory, and that Bompey chairman is not exactly the most trustworthy of sources. Defence of Cortese against the mud slingers, and rumour mongers doesn't mean you 'love him', more that you want to see evidence before you leap to conclusions.

 

Good point but if as it would appear Cortese has alienated the Echo then he will continue to have the mud thrown at him, irrespective of whether he is telling the truth or not. Personally, I just think that Cortese is being naive.

[David Strover]

Is this the only football forum where the supporters of the team who it represents will immediately side with anyone slagging their own club?

 

One thing is for sure with Saints there is not much 'blind loyalty' on this forum.

 

To paraphase GB Shaw - Put Southampton FC on a spit and you'll always find a Saints supporter to turn it.

[Foxstone]

You make some reasonable points Tony but how does it follow that if you question the CEO you are not behind your team? As you will know, we have had a succession of CEOs who haven't been widely popular for one reason or another and I guess there is a % of the fanbase who are worried about this one. In short space of time he has fallen out with the contractors at Staplewood, a manager, ex Saints legends, the media, a local football club, staff at SMS and a section of the fanbase. Not the start many of us hoped for to be honest. If he is successful of course that will fade away, but at the moment, whilst many us of still are behind our team, we are left wondering about the guy at the helm.

 

Questionning the CEO is absolutely fine and legitimate SOG, but its the small number of buffoons who continually dismiss and snipe at him just because they hate him !

I'm sure some just have a "hate the gaffer whoever it is" mentality, but perhaps they need to reflect on where we were before Cortese, and what would have happened if he had not persuaded Markus to put his money into saving us from freefall into the Non-leagues - With not even a cup final at Wembley to enjoy!

[Paul Chuckle]

I think you are wrong. I have no reason to doubt that stevegrant and FF have been in the Director's Lounge at SMS. Probably on a few occasions. They are well connected and have no reason to lie, you know. They don't have anti-Cortese agendas.

 

'Steve Grant well connected' made me LOL anyways

[Wes Tender]

Finally the thread title has been altered to more accurately reflect the correct situation. But what's with the (sigh)?

 

Does it express the feeling that some Mods tire of their duties to ensure some small degree of accuracy, or was it there to express some disappointment that the Bournemouth Chairman is not welcome in the Directors' box?

[trousers]

Finally the thread title has been altered to more accurately reflect the correct situation. But what's with the (sigh)?

 

Does it express the feeling that some Mods tire of their duties to ensure some small degree of accuracy, or was it there to express some disappointment that the Bournemouth Chairman is not welcome in the Directors' box?

 

I am reading between the lines as we speak and will report back from Conspiracy Theory HQ henceforth.

 

:-)

[Saint Charlie]

Tony Lynam is spot on. Leave NC alone and look at the good he has done. We have to trust him, and certainly shouldnt use rumour and half truthes to pick his actions apart. Nobody is ITK anymore, as much as some would like to be.

 

Lets just concentrate on beating Bournemouth. If NC doesnt like Mitchell then fair enough, now lets just beat them!

[Wes Tender]

I am reading between the lines as we speak and will report back from Conspiracy Theory HQ henceforth.

 

:-)

 

And will this set a precedent whereby the thread originator or the mod who makes alterations to the title feels some obligation to add something in brackets after it to hint at their own feelings on the matter? I look forward to various assorted other commentary along the lines of (boo hoo), (snarl), (Awww), (pity), (get in there!) etc.

[Daren W]

Can't help but feel this is a whole fuss about nothing. Mitchell has already indicated he was deliberately paying the bill late by complaining about the service.

Personally after the crass way he told the press that Howe had turned Saints down, just to get some kudos at our expense, I'd not give the *** a bean...

If people on here can't spot a shameless self promoter at work then god help us...

Give Cortese a break ffs, I'd "ban" the ***** as well....

Edited 1 October, 2010 by Daren W
sigh! lol

[trousers]

Can't help but feel this is a whole fuss about nothing. Mitchell has already indicated he was deliberately paying the bill late by complaining about the service.

Personally after the crass way he told the press that Howe had turned Saints down, just to get some kudos at our expense, I'd not give the *** a bean...

If people on here can't spot a shameless self promoter at work then god help us...

Give Cortese a break ffs, I'd ban the ***** as well....

 

He's not "banned" though.... (sigh)

 

;-)

[Saint_John]

I heard on Radio Solent this morning that it was an AGENT that offered howe the Saints job.

It didn't say whether the Agent was acting for howe or Saints.

 

This reminded me of the situation last year where we were looking for a centre half - Fonte (Palace) or Ward (Coventry).

SSN announced that we had agreed to sign Ward (I believe this was leaked to them from Ward's agent), yet somebody pulled the deal at the last moment (rumoured to be NC) and we signed Fonte.

 

I have zero regard for Agents, they are only too happy to pull deals at the last moment or "move players on" when it suits their needs.

IMO it would seem NC is happy to play Agents at their own game, and the "good" Agents are being treated the same as "bad" Agents.

[trousers]

If the good agents were actively doing all they could to weed the bad agents out of their industry then I would be sympathetic.

Perhaps they are? Is there an agents association that provides industry code of conduct certification for example?

[OldNick]

I assume that Tony Lynhams post means that there is a possibility that NC may take the club over. I do wonder if the siblings of ML are at all interested, after-all we don't all follow our parents interests.

[Minsk]

Tony Lynam is spot on. Leave NC alone and look at the good he has done. We have to trust him, and certainly shouldnt use rumour and half truthes to pick his actions apart. Nobody is ITK anymore, as much as some would like to be.

 

Lets just concentrate on beating Bournemouth. If NC doesnt like Mitchell then fair enough, now lets just beat them!

 

This!!!!!

[Junction 9]

Who is Tony Lynham?

[OldNick]

Who is Tony Lynham?

he was the front of the Pinnacle group. Unfortunately it turned out to be the Panic-le group the moment it came to putting up the money.

Iam divided about him, Imsure he did it for the best intentions but whether he was ever in a position to actually move I dont know.

[doddisalegend]

I assume that Tony Lynhams post means that there is a possibility that NC may take the club over. I do wonder if the siblings of ML are at all interested, after-all we don't all follow our parents interests.

 

So the money has (or at least will) dried up then? NC has no fortune of his own to invest, we will be debt free (which would count for a lot) unless NC follows the Glazer's buy out plan. getting to the PL on the clubs own assets will be difficult mid table championship team would be our place in the scheme of things while we wait for that one good season that most clubs have to give us a chance of the PL.

[trousers]

I assume that Tony Lynhams post means that there is a possibility that NC may take the club over. I do wonder if the siblings of ML are at all interested, after-all we don't all follow our parents interests.

 

But is Tony dropping a hint that he's heard something concrete to this effect or, like the rest of us, is he simply airing an educated guess?

[OldNick]

So the money has (or at least will) dried up then? NC has no fortune of his own to invest, we will be debt free (which would count for a lot) unless NC follows the Glazer's buy out plan. getting to the PL on the clubs own assets will be difficult mid table championship team would be our place in the scheme of things while we wait for that one good season that most clubs have to give us a chance of the PL.

The model was always going to be one of living off your own means. hence every penny is being screwed from wherever it can be. ML set the club debt free, and gave it a small injection of funds to get it running ( I assume, no facts to back that up)from then on there was a rush to get us up the leagues. AP's failure to do so first season would have been a major disappointment IMo but the revenue flowed in. The untimely death of ML has really thrown a spanner in the works, and our comfort blanket has been removed. Even if the family do have an interest ,almost certainly probate has put a stop to any new funds and to be fair their eyes will be on funding their core businesses not ML plaything.

NC is being unfairly targeted by restless and IMO thoughtless fans who cannot understand why we are not splashing the cash. I am not above criticism in that, as I call for new front men etc.

If the Liebherr family indeed are not fussed about us, I suggest NC would be the first person they will offer us to, you never know that may have been ML's dying wish.

[Minsk]

I assume that Tony Lynhams post means that there is a possibility that NC may take the club over. I do wonder if the siblings of ML are at all interested, after-all we don't all follow our parents interests.

 

I thought it was only in Poopy where ones siblings were also their parents.

[OldNick]

I thought it was only in Poopy where ones siblings were also their parents.

 

Im sure you are right but you've lost me

[JustMike]

I wasn't referring to this particular issue. I have no opinion on this because I don't know all the details. It was a general comment.

 

surely this applies to every "rumour"?

[Red and White Army]

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with [as reproduced by the BBC's Paul Fletcher in his blog], which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

 

 

Again THIS, some people need to open their eyes

 

Far be it from me to question the almight Chuckle brothers, but I can nip this piece of lying from Steve Grant in the bud.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

The article is still very much on the website, in direct contrast to what Steve is trying to claim

[SuperMikey]

Don't give a f*ck if he has been 'banned' tbh, publically lying is not the game of a real man. Beer pong is though.

[doddisalegend]

The model was always going to be one of living off your own means. hence every penny is being screwed from wherever it can be. ML set the club debt free, and gave it a small injection of funds to get it running ( I assume, no facts to back that up)from then on there was a rush to get us up the leagues. AP's failure to do so first season would have been a major disappointment IMo but the revenue flowed in. The untimely death of ML has really thrown a spanner in the works, and our comfort blanket has been removed. Even if the family do have an interest ,almost certainly probate has put a stop to any new funds and to be fair their eyes will be on funding their core businesses not ML plaything.

NC is being unfairly targeted by restless and IMO thoughtless fans who cannot understand why we are not splashing the cash. I am not above criticism in that, as I call for new front men etc.

If the Liebherr family indeed are not fussed about us, I suggest NC would be the first person they will offer us to, you never know that may have been ML's dying wish.

 

Yeah I get most of that but IF NC buys the club he's going to have to borrow to do so (unless he has a big hidden fortune) will he then put the debt into the club? living within our means is fine (I think it's a good idea I'd rather not see the club threatened with admin again) the five year plan will be a lot harder to achieve (not impossible) with out the extra cash from Markus that was implied we would get as we climbed the divisions. I'm probably putting too much thought into a throw away line in one post HTBH

[hypochondriac]

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

 

Nope totally untrue.

[OldNick]

Far be it from me to question the almight Chuckle brothers, but I can nip this piece of lying from Steve Grant in the bud.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

The article is still very much on the website, in direct contrast to what Steve is trying to claim

hey whats the witch hunt on Steve about all of a sudden.We all make assumptions and claims but dont get this stuff

[OldNick]

Nope totally untrue.

 

well IMO I think it is. Most of the fans didn't know the songs let alone who the chairman is FFS

[OldNick]

Yeah I get most of that but IF NC buys the club he's going to have to borrow to do so (unless he has a big hidden fortune) will he then put the debt into the club? living within our means is fine (I think it's a good idea I'd rather not see the club threatened with admin again) the five year plan will be a lot harder to achieve (not impossible) with out the extra cash from Markus that was implied we would get as we climbed the divisions. I'm probably putting too much thought into a throw away line in one post HTBH

All fair but we dont know what ML will has stated. All fantasy and missing the point no doubt but the club is not as it was 12 months ago and there must be reasons for that

[hypochondriac]

surely this applies to every "rumour"?

 

Well no because with a lot of the rumour (the Francis Benali one for example) I know that they are more than just rumours.

[hypochondriac]

well IMO I think it is. Most of the fans didn't know the songs let alone who the chairman is FFS

 

The people around me were all booing at Cortese.

[Mustapha Fag]

Yeah I get most of that but IF NC buys the club he's going to have to borrow to do so (unless he has a big hidden fortune) will he then put the debt into the club? living within our means is fine (I think it's a good idea I'd rather not see the club threatened with admin again) the five year plan will be a lot harder to achieve (not impossible) with out the extra cash from Markus that was implied we would get as we climbed the divisions. I'm probably putting too much thought into a throw away line in one post HTBH

 

 

what if markus has given the club to NC in his will as his last gift to his friend?

the club is still debt free but needing to live within its means

[OldNick]

The people around me were all booing at Cortese.

 

If you asked fans to point out who Cortese was most would not be able to do so.