Bournemouth chairman "not welcome" directors box (sigh)

[JackFrost]

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

 

Wouldn't the "Nicola Cortese - Executive Chairman" caption on the big screen in Wembley given that away?

[buctootim]

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

 

Mebbe. Lets not have the whole forum debate over that one again! Anyway its tangential to my main point.

[once_bitterne]

Couldn't calling someone a liar on a message board without any real evidence be construed as libelous! I thought there was a sticky about libellous posts!

[RonManager]

Couldn't calling someone a liar on a message board without any real evidence be construed as libelous! I thought there was a sticky about libellous posts!

 

Also, one's underwear may combust, apparently.

[iansums]

I heard in April that Cortese was looking at alternatives to Pardew and had decided before the end of that season to stick with Pardew. So when all of this surfaced in May (basically the rumours that Cortese had been looking), Cortese's hand was forced to issue the statement regarding Pardew to ensure everyone knew where they were and how the season would be panning out. Possible targets and requirements had already been laid out and that was Cortese's intention. I don't see any lies here only your interpretation of events. Liebherr did state his disatisfaction with Pardew but Cortese thought it best to stick with him.

 

If you believe for one minute that Cortese would deliberately wreck this season, when he could so easily have got rid of Pardew there and then with Liebherr's blessing, you don't have a scooby doo. Whatever doubts Cortese may of had, they were already expunged by the time they sat down together for planning this season.

 

Is this fact, I have only seen it from one source, Paul Fletcher's BBC blog.

[suspect everyone]

Weren't there some direct quotes attributed to Eddie Howe, confirming he had been offered the Saints job but wanted to stay with Bournemouth?

 

What's NC going to do about that? Ban Eddie Howe from Saturday's game too?!

[stevegrant]

The speculation was that AP and NC didnt get on and that he wanted to sack him. Hence the boos for NC at the JP final and cheers for Markus. As it turns out NC was advocating for AP, hence the speculation was ill informed. Its really not difficult.

I don't think there was much "speculation", per se, that they didn't get on - that seemed fairly obvious from the rare statements and comments attributed to NC that he wasn't happy. I know a couple of people who have had contact with AP on a professional level over a number of years and the one thing they all relayed, with exact wording, was that AP was "always watching his back". I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad thing if a chairman and his manager don't get on, you need some friction otherwise it all gets a bit too cosy, but it seemed to become a hindrance in the end. As I think a few people suggested on one of the other threads, it's possible that the cause of our pretty pathetic levels of fitness at the start of the season are down to AP feeling as though he's for the chop at any given moment so why should he put that much effort in to get the players fit for someone else to then grab the glory. The fitness is certainly the area I feel AP has badly let us down in over the summer.

 

The speculation that AP was going to be fired didn't start gathering momentum or any sort of press recognition until very late in the season - certainly the Echo didn't print anything about that speculation until mid to late April (will try to find the first article they ran - think we're probably in agreement that they'd have been the first to run that sort of story ), and then there was the MLT, Keegan and McMenemy comments which particularly got NC's goat.

 

I can't remember whether anything had been going on prior to the JPT final in terms of NC doing things that had been controversial in the eyes of the wider fan base to get the reaction he did when the camera panned to him. I remember at the time someone suggested it was because the "Markus, give us a wave!" chant had been ignored and it was just coincidence that the camera panned to NC at that time, although I'm not entirely convinced by that

 

If it genuinely was NC advocating for AP at the end of the season - which I personally find unlikely (it was ML's club, if he wanted him gone, he'd have just done it over the top of NC if necessary, IMO), but appreciate that not everyone will share that view - then that still screams out that he only had to do so because ML wanted him gone, hence the speculation was entirely accurate at the time.

[once_bitterne]

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

 

Utter rubbish and 100% incorrect. NC had been our Chairman all season and most fans at Wembley would know who he is. I certainly did. The camera went to Markus who got a cheer and then panned to NC and the cheers turned to boos. This was in the first half so was before the Mexican waves started (and was also nothing to do with Mawhinny as some also tried to say at the time).

 

I disagree with almost all of the anti-NC vitriol on here, but no point denying he was booed at Wembley, it happened. Maybe it was the moment his love affair with the fans ended....

[stevegrant]

Weren't there some direct quotes attributed to Eddie Howe, confirming he had been offered the Saints job but wanted to stay with Bournemouth?

 

What's NC going to do about that? Ban Eddie Howe from Saturday's game too?!

I don't think Howe's said anything at all about it, sensibly.

[NickG]

The reasons behind his sacking are completely irrelevant here

 

May: "speculation is ill-informed"

August: "in May, I had to persuade the owner that he should be kept on"

 

It really is quite simple.

 

apologies if it is elsewhere in this thread , but notice you put both of those in quotes. Where are they quoted from?

[miserableoldgit]

Weren't there some direct quotes attributed to Eddie Howe, confirming he had been offered the Saints job but wanted to stay with Bournemouth?

 

What's NC going to do about that? Ban Eddie Howe from Saturday's game too?!

Well, were there or weren`t there?? I think that there were some hypothetical quotes made by Howe some while ago, prior to the Pardew sacking, about the possibility of him one day managing Saints, and him not being complimentary. The only person that this story came from AFAIK is Mitchell.

[buctootim]

I don't think there was much "speculation", per se, that they didn't get on - that seemed fairly obvious from the rare statements and comments attributed to NC that he wasn't happy. I know a couple of people who have had contact with AP on a professional level over a number of years and the one thing they all relayed, with exact wording, was that AP was "always watching his back". I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad thing if a chairman and his manager don't get on, you need some friction otherwise it all gets a bit too cosy, but it seemed to become a hindrance in the end. As I think a few people suggested on one of the other threads, it's possible that the cause of our pretty pathetic levels of fitness at the start of the season are down to AP feeling as though he's for the chop at any given moment so why should he put that much effort in to get the players fit for someone else to then grab the glory. The fitness is certainly the area I feel AP has badly let us down in over the summer.

 

The speculation that AP was going to be fired didn't start gathering momentum or any sort of press recognition until very late in the season - certainly the Echo didn't print anything about that speculation until mid to late April (will try to find the first article they ran - think we're probably in agreement that they'd have been the first to run that sort of story ), and then there was the MLT, Keegan and McMenemy comments which particularly got NC's goat.

 

I can't remember whether anything had been going on prior to the JPT final in terms of NC doing things that had been controversial in the eyes of the wider fan base to get the reaction he did when the camera panned to him. I remember at the time someone suggested it was because the "Markus, give us a wave!" chant had been ignored and it was just coincidence that the camera panned to NC at that time, although I'm not entirely convinced by that

 

If it genuinely was NC advocating for AP at the end of the season - which I personally find unlikely (it was ML's club, if he wanted him gone, he'd have just done it over the top of NC if necessary, IMO), but appreciate that not everyone will share that view - then that still screams out that he only had to do so because ML wanted him gone, hence the speculation was entirely accurate at the time.

 

Pardew may well have been watching his back. He had got the sack from two previous jobs, and was under pressure to achieve promotion at Saints. I dont find it unlikely that a full time Chairman talked an occasionally visiting owner round, clever people take the advice of those on the ground.

 

If NC had come out and said "all speculation regarding the future of AP as Southampton's manager is entirely without foundation" you might have had a point. He didn't. Saying speculation is "ill informed" is a totally different thing - its saying people have got hold of the wrong end of the stick. Apparently you are still holding on to one end of it now.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

The reasons behind his sacking are completely irrelevant here

 

May: "speculation is ill-informed"

August: "in May, I had to persuade the owner that he should be kept on"

 

It really is quite simple.

 

No it's not. For a start, the May statement contains the word speculation, which is not exactly something concrete usually, is it? That also applies to conjecture and surmising, all similar things and all meaning that there is some element of doubt attached to them.

 

As for the second part, the only two persons who could have corroborated whether Cortese had to pursuade Liebherr that Pardew ought to stay are Cortese or Liebherr themselves, unless others were present.

 

If you had said that Cortese had not been entirely truthful about the reasons for Pardew's departure, then you might have a case, but whether that is construed as lying or being circumspect in the interests of both parties to avoid unecessary press intrusion, is a different matter.

 

But even then, there is no evidence to support your contention that Cortese lied about anything and you have certainly not produced any.

[CanadaSaint]

I don't think Howe's said anything at all about it, sensibly.

 

Actually, he did, Steve.

 

I remember him being decidedly uncomfortable with the question but, on being pushed, he "sort of" confirmed what his chairman had said.

 

Wouldn't you, though?

[Joensuu]

I'll ask again...

 

Do you have proof that the discussions between Cortese and Liebherr about Pardew came before the 17th May?

 

If they came afterwards then it isn't a lie and your allegations of Cortese lying are incorrect.

 

MLG, you seem to have stumbled across an answer to the riddle. An answer which sees no lies being told:

 

• May 17th: Journalist asks Cortese to respond to rumours about Pardew, Cortese tells Journalist that rumours are 'ill informed'.
  
• May 20th: Liebherr phones Cortese. Markus tells Cortese that he has lost faith in Pardew's ability, and wants Cortese to sack him. Cortese argues back, saying Pardew has just won a cup, and that we should give him more time.
  
• August Bank Hol: Cortese reveals to journalists that Markus had wanted Pardew removed back in May, but that Cortese had convinced him otherwise.
  

Based on the evidence we have, these are a perfectly logical series of events to extrapolate. Where is the evidence of any lies being told?

 

 

 

Edit: [Also, even if the two dates in May were reversed, why couldn't a CEO tell a white lie? If he says anything else (i.e. 'yes we are considering his position' or 'No Comment') the media would know they were on to something, and Pardew would have had to have been sacked within a week. Obviously this was not Cortese's intention, or Pardew would have been sacked in May, so had Cortese responded in a different way, it would have forced him to sack a manager who he obviously wanted to keep on. So even if the sequence of events is different, what would be wrong with telling a white lie for the benefit of the club?]

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Joensuu

[OldNick]

Utter rubbish and 100% incorrect. NC had been our Chairman all season and most fans at Wembley would know who he is. I certainly did. The camera went to Markus who got a cheer and then panned to NC and the cheers turned to boos. This was in the first half so was before the Mexican waves started (and was also nothing to do with Mawhinny as some also tried to say at the time).

 

I disagree with almost all of the anti-NC vitriol on here, but no point denying he was booed at Wembley, it happened. Maybe it was the moment his love affair with the fans ended....

 

I thought it was second half, when we had won the game and the waves had started and the cameras panned on NC ML etc

[Matthew Le God]

I'll ask for the third and last time...

 

Steve,

 

Do you have proof that the discussions between Cortese and Liebherr about Pardew came before the 17th May?

 

If they came afterwards then it isn't a lie and your allegations of Cortese lying are incorrect and goes against your sticky thread.

 

As once_bitterne pointed out.

 

Couldn't calling someone a liar on a message board without any real evidence be construed as libelous! I thought there was a sticky about libellous posts!

 

(p.s. Please don't threaten to ban me again for asking a reasonable question. )

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Window Cleaner]

 

I have no doubt that his level of decorum would not be suited to any directors box.

 

 

except at Bournemouth or Skate

[jawillwill]

Mebbe. Lets not have the whole forum debate over that one again! Anyway its tangential to my main point.

 

No Mexican wave after the game, no boos. Shock horror. Unless you believe the sudden applause in this video is for the referees?

[video=youtube;3_tz-ZT9Ero]

[DT]

not sure what your point is. is that sarcasm?

[buctootim]

No Mexican wave after the game, no boos. Shock horror. Unless you believe the sudden applause in this video is for the referees?]

 

Agree doesnt sound like from that vid. I guess it depends where in the ground you were as to what you heard.

[up and away]

The speculation that AP was going to be fired didn't start gathering momentum or any sort of press recognition until very late in the season - certainly the Echo didn't print anything about that speculation until mid to late April (will try to find the first article they ran - think we're probably in agreement that they'd have been the first to run that sort of story ), and then there was the MLT, Keegan and McMenemy comments which particularly got NC's goat.

 

If it genuinely was NC advocating for AP at the end of the season - which I personally find unlikely (it was ML's club, if he wanted him gone, he'd have just done it over the top of NC if necessary, IMO), but appreciate that not everyone will share that view - then that still screams out that he only had to do so because ML wanted him gone, hence the speculation was entirely accurate at the time.

 

What that great provider of landfills throughout the south did was to directly pose the question of Pardew getting the chop to anyone with links to Saints, then cut and paste the responses and present it as a fait accompli that Pardew was getting the sack. I notice when they tried the same routine this season that even Le Tiss had cottoned on and gave them nothing to munch on.

 

The reason this would have got Cortese's goat would have been that the season ahead had already been planned out and unless he gave these reassurances, could see Pardew looking elsewhere and the whole process of recruiting another manager would have to start again. Pardew had good cause to be nervous about his future, when you go directly into print and state you did exactly the opposite to your bosses paramount instructions.

 

I know of no instances where Liebherr has interferred in the smallist of ways at Saints, letting Cortese run the whole show. Liebherr brought Cortese in and just let him get on with it, he did not do over the top. I did not believe at the time that Liebherr stated he was not happy with Pardew, but several reliables have vouched for the source during one of the games, that I tend to believe that as kosher.

 

Your staunch support of that landfill provider does you proud, but even LeTiss caught on to that underlying odour.

[Joensuu]

Agree doesnt sound like from that vid. I guess it depends where in the ground you were as to what you heard.

 

Yup, I guess that all the anti-Cortese bunch must have accidently bought tickets together or something, because the rest of us, and the videos of the day, all heard/recorded nothing but cheering. Either that or those who heard booing should possibly go to have their ears tested.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Joensuu

[Mister Neil]

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with [as reproduced by the BBC's Paul Fletcher in his blog], which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

 

from google http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:07jCf2NMKG8J:www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00

[St Marco]

Man those boos for Cortese were more deafening on the video then they were when i was actually there!

[saint_mears]

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

 

Cortese was booed i guess because of his comments he made about Pardew on Radio solent.

[benjii]

Yup, I guess that all the anti-Cortese bunch must have accidently bought tickets together or something, because the rest of us, and the videos of the day, all heard/recorded nothing but cheering. Either that or those who heard booing should possibly go to have their ears tested.

 

I heard booing and it started as soon as NC appeared and was nothing to do with any crowd-related antics. That is fact. There were boos. End of.

 

Happily it seems as though many people couldn't hear it which leads me to believe I had the minor misfortune of being in the vicinity of a relatively small number of plonkers.

[trousers]

I heard booing and it started as soon as NC appeared and was nothing to do with any crowd-related antics. That is fact. There were boos. End of.

 

Were they tongue-in-cheek boos (I.e. A few tanked up lads having a laugh) or genuine heartfelt boos from rational fans?

[aintforever]

I heard booing and it started as soon as NC appeared and was nothing to do with any crowd-related antics. That is fact. There were boos. End of.

 

Happily it seems as though many people couldn't hear it which leads me to believe I had the minor misfortune of being in the vicinity of a relatively small number of plonkers.

 

Maybe, just maybe, there were some crowd antics you were not aware of?

 

It's pretty conclusive from that video that there was no major booing of Cortese.

[wightman35]

Let us get this into context.

 

 

 

Mr Mitchell was not banned, just unwelcome. He has now purchased a box for the day.

 

Storm in a teacup caused by a mouthy Mitchell. Enough said.

 

 

Exactly!

[Joensuu]

I like this thread. It has shown us that there isn't evidence of Cortese lying, that Cortese wasn't extensively booed, and that Mitchell washes his laundry in public. It also shows us that some people will try to pin anything they can on Cortese. Why bother with irrelevant things like evidence eh?

[Big John]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+without+exception%2C+ill-informed+site%3Asaintsfc.co.uk&l=1

[Alain Perrin]

It's despicable. Cortese should have come out cleanly to the paper saying that Pardew's position was under consideration, it was likely that he would be sacked and that he didn't have the full support of the owner/manager.

 

Then he should have kept him on as he did..... 'cos that would be good wouldn't it?

 

What happened is called playing the game with the press. I would expect every chairman / owner to review, every year, whether the manager is doing the business. They then make a decision on that.

 

What I wouldn't expect is for the contents of that meeting to be in the press because it would be twisted to make a better story. Best therefore to say nothing / ill-informed / **** off.

 

Semantics, but if the situation had been considered and a decision made then any speculation as to his future is ill-informed because the matter has been resolved. So in reality it's not even lying.

[ossie1]

Good news that Mitchell's getting a box on Saturday - it's about time we saw some payback from Bournemouth for all the times that we turned out for benefit games to keep them afloat 10+ years ago!

 

 

one game wasnt it...yeah that really kept us afloat..keep dreaming

[sadoldgit]

Our fans are no different to fans of any other club in the country, and there hasn't been a sudden change to a number of people picking up on anything to have a moan - lest we forget, any time Rupert Lowe wiped his arse, there was someone waiting to have a go at him. It's not something that's just suddenly happened now Cortese's the chairman.

 

Indeed. An although he may not have been technically banned, being told you are unwelcome unless you apologise for saying something you believed to be true is a bit petty. FFS stop prattting about, rise above it and just concentrate on getting us promoted.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Actually Ossie we paid up front for Neil Moss as well. You should be grateful we did not write to watchdog!

[Deppo]

Where has this "unpaid bar bill" stuff come from? The last (and indeed only) time I've been in the directors lounge before a game, it was a cash bar, i.e. if you don't pay at the point of purchase, you don't get the drink.

 

I'm not really that fussed about Mitchell, he's a complete gob****e, but it does seem somewhat contrary that all the club's official statements bang the "we will continue to run the club in a professional manner" drum, when I would imagine the "professional" thing to do on this occasion is to rise above his comments and simply ignore them.

 

Agreed. It's a bit like banning Kadeem Hardison from the main board without reason.

[Big John]

Agreed. It's a bit like banning Kadeem Hardison from the main board without reason.

 

 

i hear this name now and again (usually from you i should add) but have never read anything by him, who is he?

[Deppo]

i hear this name now and again (usually from you i should add) but have never read anything by him, who is he?

 

He is now a whisper on the breeze, an echo in the forests. Some say they have heard of him, some talk of remembering his posts, and some even claim to know him. Whether or not they are to be believed, they all tell fantastical stories of him. There will always be the stories. One day, we may see him back. We can only hope. Hope that our children and our children's children will one day get to see who this mysterious person is that they have been told about in bedtime stories.

[Joensuu]

i hear this name now and again (usually from you i should add) but have never read anything by him, who is he?

 

Erm, delightful chap http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/search.php?searchid=163542 One of those who likes to post 'comedy' from the sidelines. He's become a somewhat of a cause célèbre of late, mainly because it has been suggested that he is banned from the main board with no explaination. Whether this is true or not is unknown, whether his posts contain humour or not is dubious.

[Tony Lynam]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

[benjii]

Maybe, just maybe, there were some crowd antics you were not aware of?

 

It's pretty conclusive from that video that there was no major booing of Cortese.

 

I didn't say there was "major booing" - merely that there was definitely booing by some people in my area that could be heard by me, and presumably some others.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Some people enjoy rushing to judgment and getting afronted - it was probably just a small group of them.

[sadoldgit]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

 

You make some reasonable points Tony but how does it follow that if you question the CEO you are not behind your team? As you will know, we have had a succession of CEOs who haven't been widely popular for one reason or another and I guess there is a % of the fanbase who are worried about this one. In short space of time he has fallen out with the contractors at Staplewood, a manager, ex Saints legends, the media, a local football club, staff at SMS and a section of the fanbase. Not the start many of us hoped for to be honest. If he is successful of course that will fade away, but at the moment, whilst many us of still are behind our team, we are left wondering about the guy at the helm.

[benjii]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

 

That is actually a very sensible post.

 

Well done, Des.

[Katalinic]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

 

A good post and you can certainly put the likes of Mitchell in the same category as Carr - shepherds have them.

[Chez]

So do you invite people to your house that have made lies about you in public and not paid debts they owe you?

do you charge people for drinks that come to your house? I do agree with you though.

[Big John]

Guys,

 

Judging by many comments I have read on this tonight (yes, I still follow your club) many of you are going to hate almost everything I write, but hey ho, I don't care as frankly I am struggling to belive some of the outrageous claims, disrespectful comments and potentially harmful remakrs made about the very people who are running YOUR club. I am not the biggest fan of some of Mr Cortese's remarks or past decisions - I will never change that opinion. BUT, I have a professional respect for the chap. He might not be everybodys cup of tea, but so what. He is in a position of trust and is therey required and responsibile for progressing the business. And that is a key point. A football club these days , save a few, is not just about sitting back and awaiting unlimited investment without an expectation of the owner(s) for some key targets to be met, monetary or otherwise. Over the last few weeks, I have read some rather disgraceful comments targetted at your Chariman. Sure, he might not be everyones cup of tea but I truly feel that some people need to give the chap a break - and some space. Now before you start ranting and raving, remove your hands from keyboard and reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

As for Mr Mitchell at Bournemouth - I have never met the chap but he and another developer, Richard Carr's, collapse 2 years ago helped me (personally) lose a sizeable six figure sum where I had tried my luck at residential ventures (as opposed to commercial) and got severely put in my place. I mention this purely as 1) anyone with some intrigue can find out about this and 2) it might help some of you put into perspective the 2 very different characteristics of Mr Cortese and Mr Mitchell, and again, to repeat, I am neithers biggest fan.

 

To finish. Here's a thought - why don't you guys all just get behind the team instead of taking the opportunity to slag every move anyone makes off. From an outsider, it seems to make sense that you all unite. And lastly, if you are going to hurl abuse at me, that is your choice, but please think about what I have said as opposed to who has said it.

 

Regards and the VERY best of luck for the remaining season

 

Tony

 

Thanks for that Tony.

 

serious question, do you think that you had a lucky escape last year? bearing in mind that although you read this forum nicola probably does not, although I suspect someone has his ear who may give him the occasional update, but probably a bit like the emperor's new clothes.

[Chez]

Liebherr did state his disatisfaction with Pardew but Cortese thought it best to stick with him.

 

Personally I think its more believable that Marcus had to persuade Cortese not the other way round. We will never know.

[trousers]

reflect on something..... who will be your next owner? Almost certainly not some party from the open market, but somebody/entity from within. Think about it.

 

Hi Tony,

 

Welcome back to the forum.

 

What makes you so sure about the above ownership statement? As it happens I think I get your drift and tend to agree, but are you making that statement as a general observation or have you, perhaps, heard in your business circles that 'something' is afoot regarding our ownership situation?

 

Cheers

Edited 30 September, 2010 by trousers

[trousers]

A good post and you can certainly put the likes of Mitchell in the same category as Carr - shepherds have them.

 

Flocks?