Bournemouth chairman "not welcome" directors box (sigh)

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Seems fair enough to me, I believe Cortese over that chump. He lied that Howe was offered the job to make his tinpot team look better than they are. What a goon.

[Wes Tender]

Seems more a total lack of style by NC. A pattern is emerging; prefers to hide in his fortress feigning contempt and tossing banning orders over the parapet rather than face anyone who's upset him. Surely better to invite him in and then have a 'chat' with him where all can hear what is said. Everyone has their own agenda and version of the truth.

 

What is fact, though, is that Bournemouth are doing so much better than us having had an even bigger points deduction, far, far less money,a squad so inadequate that school commitments of one of them meant they could not always have enough subs on the bench.

 

Maybe NC was not up to facing someone whose club was doing so much better on a borrowed shoestring. Despite all our alleged millions we are looking increasingly small-time and adopting small-time attitudes.

 

Why, we have even appointed a manager from a much smaller club with far more limited resources. How small-time can we possibly get?

[trousers]

Mitchell on South Today lunchtime news at 13:30 apparently

[Joensuu]

Seems more a total lack of style by NC. A pattern is emerging; prefers to hide in his fortress feigning contempt and tossing banning orders over the parapet rather than face anyone who's upset him. Surely better to invite him in and then have a 'chat' with him where all can hear what is said. Everyone has their own agenda and version of the truth.

 

I agree, a pattern is emerging. Cortese is too professional to engage with rumours, nonsense, and slanging matches held in the media. Some of our fans don't know what a gifthorse looks like, let alone which end the mouth is.

[Wes Tender]

I agree, a pattern is emerging. Cortese is too professional to engage with rumours, nonsense, and slanging matches held in the media. Some of our fans don't know what a gifthorse looks like, let alone which end the mouth is.

[alehouseboys]

If he gets to choose I'm sure he'll want a box as near to the 'Bumfluff' fans as possible. That's handy for you Itchen North lads, do you think you could get a rousing chorus of...

 

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/423523/godfather_theme_song_speak_softly_love/

[hypochondriac]

Or how much bad grace we are prepared to give Mitchell. I had not heard of the guy before, but a little digging on Google has unearthed several articles on him and his former connections as chairman of Dorchester (where he received death threats) and his property development company. He managed to inveigle himself onto that programme by Piers Morgan about Sandbanks, although properties featured as being developed by his company were not on Sandbanks. That leads me to believe that the guy is a self-publicist with an ego that needs to be stroked. Comments under that article describe him as a cowboy and a crook.

 

But if you're prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt over our chairman, good luck to you.

 

I wasn't referring to this particular issue. I have no opinion on this because I don't know all the details. It was a general comment.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by hypochondriac

[Chez]

is it really true that we charge visiting directors for drinks whilst every other club does not?

 

If it is, and we only have mouth of the south to go on, its no wonder we struggled to sign anyone in the summer.

"Mr Chairman I have the Southampton Chairman on line 1 wanting to discuss a price for Antonio."

"Er, tell him I'm unavailable will you please"

 

I think Buctootim has it spot on, they probably took the ****, so we billed them for it.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Chez

[landford.saint]

A huge number of football clubs are in dire financial peril, yet they carry on in the same blinkered manner, like turkeys looking forward to Christmas because they refuse to change their outdated ways of operating. Yet when a person becomes chairman of a football club and begins to install financial practices that are both sensible and the norm in any other industry he gets hounded by a certain few because of him trying to instill proper solid financial foundations to the club.

[Jez]

I don't see anyone saying they love Cortese.

 

I love Cortese personally and love the direction he is taking Saints

[Macey_J2]

According to the Echo Saints asked Mitchell to apologise and "provide proof" for his claims about Howe, but seems he doesn't want to, or cant provide proof...

 

“I don’t know of any other club that would take a stance like this and think it is childish. My statement was true and I won’t be apologising.

[ottery st mary]

I too love Saints, Cortese, Adkins and all my fellow forum posters...well most..

 

WIFM

[trousers]

is it really true that we charge visiting directors for drinks whilst every other club does not?

 

I suspect we don't charge for beer, wine, babysham, etc, but probably draw the line at the opposition's management team relieving the club bar of it's stock of Krug Clos Du Mesnil 1995

[trousers]

I love Cortese personally and love the direction he is taking Saints

 

I love Cortese and so does my wife.

[OldNick]

is it really true that we charge visiting directors for drinks whilst every other club does not?

 

If it is, and we only have mouth of the south to go on, its no wonder we struggled to sign anyone in the summer.

"Mr Chairman I have the Southampton Chairman on line 1 wanting to discuss a price for Antonio."

"Er, tell him I'm unavailable will you please"

 

I think Buctootim has it spot on, they probably took the ****, so we billed them for it.

yep @I have a call from Southampton they have offered £1m pound for our c/f,, oh and Brighton have offered 500k'

'take the 500k as they gave us free drinks'

I suspect we expect reciprocal treatment when we go away, paying your own way and no hangers on. That is my viewing of the situation.

I noticed that NC gave the MKDons chairman a glowing reference and so they may also be on the same wavelength regarding how things should change,I expect Hearn would also be of the same mind.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Mitchell is as dodgey as they come. His Company is called Seven Developments for a reason, the six previous ones were wound up, owing ordinary people and business' money. Ask anyone in and around the building Trade in Poole and they'll tell you all about Eddie Mitchell.

[benjii]

Bournemouth Chairman lied, or at best spouted off without knowing the facts. As a result he endangered the Adkins negotiations - would you really want to continue negotiations if it was being reported they had already offered the job to someone else? He almost did real damage to our club, and did actual damage to our media image. A slight cold shoulder on Saturday is a pretty mild and measured response imo.

 

Exactly right and yet some numpties call us "unprofessional" or "petty".

 

Who's the gob****e with the motor mouth that has caused the whole chain of events?

[up and away]

According to the Echo Saints asked Mitchell to apologise and "provide proof" for his claims about Howe, but seems he doesn't want to, or cant provide proof...

 

“I don’t know of any other club that would take a stance like this and think it is childish. My statement was true and I won’t be apologising.

 

The trouble is with Cortese is that he does not do ego's and has no time for bullsheiters. Well sadly Nicolas the Football League is stuffed with them and the dumb fooks don't have the sense to keep their mouths shut, even when they are called out in private. So our CEO has called him out aand although not denying him access to the directors box, has said he is unwelcome unless he explains himself. Mitchell can't put up any defence with the exception he stated what he believed to be true. But rather than say he was wrong, he prefers to bluster along with this approach playing the morally injured. What a twhat!

 

Cortese has called him out, liar, liar, pants on fire and like the rest of the nonsense we get on here, "I was only repeating what a mate down the pub told me". I still cannot understand why both the Scunny and Bournemouth chairman had to even go public, apart from the inability to keep their mouths shut and misplaced idea of ego.

[OldNick]

 

Cortese has called him out, liar, liar, pants on fire and like the rest of the nonsense we get on here, "I was only repeating what a mate down the pub told me". I still cannot understand why both the Scunny and Bournemouth chairman had to even go public, apart from the inability to keep their mouths shut and misplaced idea of ego.

because they want their time in the sun and it doesn't come out very often for them

[benjii]

Seems more a total lack of style by NC. A pattern is emerging; prefers to hide in his fortress feigning contempt and tossing banning orders over the parapet rather than face anyone who's upset him. Surely better to invite him in and then have a 'chat' with him where all can hear what is said. Everyone has their own agenda and version of the truth.

 

What is fact, though, is that Bournemouth are doing so much better than us having had an even bigger points deduction, far, far less money,a squad so inadequate that school commitments of one of them meant they could not always have enough subs on the bench.

 

Maybe NC was not up to facing someone whose club was doing so much better on a borrowed shoestring. Despite all our alleged millions we are looking increasingly small-time and adopting small-time attitudes.

 

Oh dear.

 

Talk about twisting facts to suit your own misanthropic tendencies.

[benjii]

The trouble is with Cortese is that he does not do ego's and has no time for bullsheiters. Well sadly Nicolas the Football League is stuffed with them and the dumb fooks don't have the sense to keep their mouths shut, even when they are called out in private. So our CEO has called him out aand although not denying him access to the directors box, has said he is unwelcome unless he explains himself. Mitchell can't put up any defence with the exception he stated what he believed to be true. But rather than say he was wrong, he prefers to bluster along with this approach playing the morally injured. What a twhat!

 

Cortese has called him out, liar, liar, pants on fire and like the rest of the nonsense we get on here, "I was only repeating what a mate down the pub told me". I still cannot understand why both the Scunny and Bournemouth chairman had to even go public, apart from the inability to keep their mouths shut and misplaced idea of ego.

 

Exactly.

 

And the bit in bold confirms exactly why we should not be castigated for departing from what might be perceived as "best practice" purely because a lot of other clubs do things differently. Following that logic, anything a cartel or a monopoly decides to do is "best practice". Utter nonsense. Custom and inertia do not equate to best practice.

[Chap in the Chapel]

Good news that Mitchell's getting a box on Saturday - it's about time we saw some payback from Bournemouth for all the times that we turned out for benefit games to keep them afloat 10+ years ago!

 

This is a daft storm in a teacup. Some people will believe anything that they read in a newspaper and rush to the pitchfork cupboard. There's two sides to everything - it just seems that Saints prefer not to give ours unless absolutely necessary. I think that we should give our side the benefit of the doubt, regardless of this reluctance to feed the media. In a way it's counter-productive - if there's little coming from St Mary's then the media will only carry the other side - but I haven't seen or heard much that leads me to believe that there aren't good reasons behind some (on the face of it) rather unpopular decisions. Genuinely, our biggest problem as a club right now is the slow start to the season and the lack of goals/striking options. Pretty much everything else is a string of seven-day wonders, if they reach seven days. Who will be talking about Mitchell on Sunday?

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Cortese doing the right thing by not commenting, demonstrates more class than Mitchell, I doubt if NC has a plan to isolate himself from other chairman but clearly has a dislike of Mitchell and within the article can see 2 very good reasons for doing so, if someone does not pay for the goods and services they have from my company(which Mitchells development company did) frickin right they aint welcome, he is a **** merchant in line with too many in construction/developments, NC is the polar opposite to Mitchell imo.

[norwaysaint]

There's not likely to be an official story on something that potentially makes everyone involved on both sides look a bit silly, is there ?

 

That's kind of my point. It means you have to doubt the veracity of everything you have heard or read about this, which makes the opinions being developed because of it laughable. They are based on nothing but rumour.

[DT]

Pathetic, childish, petty and embarrassing behaviour by Cortese if true. The man has no class.

[LostBoys]

Shock horror motormouth Mitchell banned from St Mary's Boardroom - oh its a story printed in the Bournemouth and Southampton Echo and we all know how accurate how they are. Mitchell is a knob anyway even in the unlikely event it was true.

[benjii]

Pathetic, childish, petty and embarrassing behaviour by Cortese if true. The man has no class.

 

Yeah, no class!

 

He should be mouthing off in the papers to reinforce his class. He should show some of the humility, reserve and poise so demonstrated by all other chairmen at the same time.

[aintforever]

Seems more a total lack of style by NC. A pattern is emerging; prefers to hide in his fortress feigning contempt and tossing banning orders over the parapet rather than face anyone who's upset him. Surely better to invite him in and then have a 'chat' with him where all can hear what is said. Everyone has their own agenda and version of the truth.

 

What is fact, though, is that Bournemouth are doing so much better than us having had an even bigger points deduction, far, far less money,a squad so inadequate that school commitments of one of them meant they could not always have enough subs on the bench.

 

Maybe NC was not up to facing someone whose club was doing so much better on a borrowed shoestring. Despite all our alleged millions we are looking increasingly small-time and adopting small-time attitudes.

 

That's how I see it.

[Matthew Le God]

Pathetic, childish, petty and embarrassing behaviour by Cortese if true. The man has no class.

 

So do you invite people to your house that have made lies about you in public and not paid debts they owe you?

[stevegrant]

So do you invite people to your house that have made lies about you in public and not paid debts they owe you?

You are assuming that they are lies, despite no evidence either way. Both men have form for lying, so neither of them would be a particularly reliable witness.

[Joensuu]

You are assuming that they are lies, despite no evidence either way. Both men have form for lying, so neither of them would be a particularly reliable witness.

 

Genuine question Steve, could you point me to examples of Cortese lying?

[Matthew Le God]

You are assuming that they are lies, despite no evidence either way. Both men have form for lying, so neither of them would be a particularly reliable witness.

 

Mitchell has admitted today he isn't 100% sure it is true, as it was just information fed to him by unknown sources. He is backtracking. In any case he hasn't disputed the issue over the bar bill. If drinks were free in the boardroom why would their be a tab? They wouldn't need to keep record of each drink he ordered if they were going to be free so it is just bull**** from Mitchell.

 

What has Cortese lied about Steve?

[The Majestic Channon]

Mitchell strikes me as someone just trying to get his name in the papers ,and he seems as desperate for a rivalry as our little brothers .

[stevegrant]

Genuine question Steve, could you point me to examples of Cortese lying?

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with [as reproduced by the BBC's Paul Fletcher in his blog], which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

Yeah, no class!

 

He should be mouthing off in the papers to reinforce his class. He should show some of the humility, reserve and poise so demonstrated by all other chairmen at the same time.

 

This

 

Go Nicola. People who shout their mouths off have to live with the consequences. '**** on my doormat and think your coming in my house do you?'

[buctootim]

Yep do tell. Corroborated too. We dont need any more made up allegations tossed into the forum and the poster then walks away.

[Matthew Le God]

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with, which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

 

It doesn't at all, as the reasons for Pardew's sacking have not been revealed.

[stevegrant]

It doesn't at all, as the reasons for Pardew's sacking have not been revealed.

The reasons behind his sacking are completely irrelevant here

 

May: "speculation is ill-informed"

August: "in May, I had to persuade the owner that he should be kept on"

 

It really is quite simple.

[dune]

Consıderıng NC made a poınt of hıghlıghtıng the prevıous regımes flaws ın terms of all the talk beıng about the board he ıs doıng a bloody good job of doıng the same thıng. As ıt goes I thınk he has every rıght to be annoyed wıth Bournemouth, but he,s pıckıng too many fıghts whıch really aren,t worth ıt.

[Matthew Le God]

The reasons behind his sacking are completely irrelevant here

 

May: "speculation is ill-informed"

August: "in May, I had to persuade the owner that he should be kept on"

 

It really is quite simple.

 

Do you have proof that the discussions between Cortese and Liebherr about Pardew came before the 17th May? If they came afterwards then it isn't a lie and your allegations of Cortese lying are incorrect.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[buctootim]

So in summary, you don't know, have no proof of lying, but have decided you like one hypothetical scenario out of dozens. Its odd that you are afraid that other posters might be potentially libellous but are so lax with your own comments.

[OldNick]

proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

Steve on this occasion I can't agree. The instant dismissal seems to me an instant disnmissal. I agree that AP may have been under pressure but I think NC had no choice to act as something must have happened that day.

[buctootim]

The reasons behind his sacking are completely irrelevant here

 

May: "speculation is ill-informed"

August: "in May, I had to persuade the owner that he should be kept on"

 

It really is quite simple.

 

Even if the press briefing happened as you describe and sincethe Sun's sports editor has never heard this, i seriously doubt it, the statements still arent inconsistent.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by buctootim

[explorer saint]

Consıderıng NC made a poınt of hıghlıghtıng the prevıous regımes flaws ın terms of all the talk beıng about the board he ıs doıng a bloody good job of doıng the same thıng. As ıt goes I thınk he has every rıght to be annoyed wıth Bournemouth, but he,s pıckıng too many fıghts whıch really aren,t worth ıt.

 

I expect all NC would of wanted would of been an apology in regard to Howe, and then none of this would of appeared. Good For NC, let the ....... pay his bar bill who does he think he is why didn't he settle that following the game, he's trying to take this **** obviously! and being a gob****e mouthing off in public and trying to make us enemy number one prior to the game, as they don't have anyone else, hope we stuff them

[stevegrant]

Steve on this occasion I can't agree. The instant dismissal seems to me an instant disnmissal. I agree that AP may have been under pressure but I think NC had no choice to act as something must have happened that day.

Nick, as I said above, the timing and/or reasons for his dismissal at the end of August are irrelevant here. Four months ago, NC said the mere suggestion that AP was under threat was "ill-informed", and yet straight after he does get the boot - for whatever reason - he's telling journalists that he had to persuade ML back then that he was worth keeping on.

 

Either:

1. the speculation was ill-informed, in which case he lied to journalists after AP's sacking, or

2. the speculation was spot-on, he was about to be sacked until either NC or ML persuaded the other (depending on which logic you believe) to persevere, in which case he lied to the fans in May.

[Matthew Le God]

Nick, as I said above, the timing and/or reasons for his dismissal at the end of August are irrelevant here. Four months ago, NC said the mere suggestion that AP was under threat was "ill-informed", and yet straight after he does get the boot - for whatever reason - he's telling journalists that he had to persuade ML back then that he was worth keeping on.

 

Either:

1. the speculation was ill-informed, in which case he lied to journalists after AP's sacking, or

2. the speculation was spot-on, he was about to be sacked until either NC or ML persuaded the other (depending on which logic you believe) to persevere, in which case he lied to the fans in May.

 

I'll ask again...

 

Do you have proof that the discussions between Cortese and Liebherr about Pardew came before the 17th May?

 

If they came afterwards then it isn't a lie and your allegations of Cortese lying are incorrect.

[iansums]

Gotta laugh at the Echo comments on this story, the fans are now arguing about who has the best airport FFS.

 

Before you ask I prefer Bournemouth Airport purely because it's only 10 mins away.

[buctootim]

Nick, as I said above, the timing and/or reasons for his dismissal at the end of August are irrelevant here. Four months ago, NC said the mere suggestion that AP was under threat was "ill-informed", and yet straight after he does get the boot - for whatever reason - he's telling journalists that he had to persuade ML back then that he was worth keeping on.

 

Either:

1. the speculation was ill-informed, in which case he lied to journalists after AP's sacking, or

2. the speculation was spot-on, he was about to be sacked until either NC or ML persuaded the other (depending on which logic you believe) to persevere, in which case he lied to the fans in May.

 

 

The speculation was that AP and NC didnt get on and that he wanted to sack him. Hence the boos for NC at the JP final and cheers for Markus. As it turns out NC was advocating for AP, hence the speculation was ill informed. Its really not difficult.

[OldNick]

The speculation was that AP and NC didnt get on and that he wanted to sack him. Hence the boos for NC at the JP final and cheers for Markus. As it turns out NC was advocating for AP, hence the speculation was ill informed. Its really not difficult.

but you are wrong about the boos at the JPT , they were done to fans not carrying on a Mexican wave. The majority of fans that day would not know who Cortese was

[up and away]

Well I could do, but strangely, the statement that was released on the OS in the middle of May (17th or 18th, can't remember exactly) seems to have mysteriously disappeared, where Cortese said that the speculation about Alan Pardew's future was "without exception, ill-informed".

 

On the day Pardew's sacking was announced, journalists were briefed that Cortese claims that in the summer, he had to persuade Markus Liebherr that Pardew was worth sticking with [as reproduced by the BBC's Paul Fletcher in his blog], which (whether true or, as would be more logical given the very obvious dislike AP and NC had for each other, the complete opposite of the truth) proves that the speculation about AP's future in May was not in any way "ill-informed". It was bang on the money.

 

I heard in April that Cortese was looking at alternatives to Pardew and had decided before the end of that season to stick with Pardew. So when all of this surfaced in May (basically the rumours that Cortese had been looking), Cortese's hand was forced to issue the statement regarding Pardew to ensure everyone knew where they were and how the season would be panning out. Possible targets and requirements had already been laid out and that was Cortese's intention. I don't see any lies here only your interpretation of events. Liebherr did state his disatisfaction with Pardew but Cortese thought it best to stick with him.

 

If you believe for one minute that Cortese would deliberately wreck this season, when he could so easily have got rid of Pardew there and then with Liebherr's blessing, you don't have a scooby doo. Whatever doubts Cortese may of had, they were already expunged by the time they sat down together for planning this season.