Just how/why did pre-season turn into such a shambles ?

[Wes Tender]

I applaud leftbacks posts as they really show the true clueless Cortese and that he is hated more than Lowe within SMS.

 

Go on then, produce the evidence. Put up or shut up, both you and leftback.

 

You're both all full of p*ss and wind.

[leftback]

look nc talked Markus into saving us ....flaming fabulous. But i just dont think anything he has done since then has been any good.

lets hope appointing NA proves to be good, , but even doing that was a dogs dinner. look ill stop about him now. the BELIEVE me stuff was thoroughly tongue in cheek. so untill he makes another balls up I'll turn it in. gotta feeling theres gonna be sackings again shortly not NA of course probably st marys somewhere. oh and fonte back saturday after complaining to NC, just got that!!!

[Foxstone]

I applaud leftbacks posts as they really show the true clueless Cortese and that he is hated more than Lowe within SMS.

 

I thought you SISA types thought nobody could be hated more than Lowe !

 

So if you think that persuading a very wealthy and decent man to save us from extinction and running the club as a sound business makes him clueless - Then I hate to think what that makes you !

[Foxstone]

look nc talked Markus into saving us ....flaming fabulous. But i just dont think anything he has done since then has been any good.

lets hope appointing NA proves to be good, , but even doing that was a dogs dinner. look ill stop about him now. the BELIEVE me stuff was thoroughly tongue in cheek. so untill he makes another balls up I'll turn it in. gotta feeling theres gonna be sackings again shortly not NA of course probably st marys somewhere. oh and fonte back saturday after complaining to NC, just got that!!!

 

I agree - It was flaming fabulous.

 

Did you know of any viable alternative ??

 

Thought not !

[suewhistle]

Leftback,

 

Not wishing to be funny, but any chance you could break your posts down into paragraphs and maybe look at putting capitals at the start of sentences, etc. Would just make your posts easier to read.

 

Thanks.

 

Can I second that?

 

For what it's worth I think you're wrong about Lambert but right about the Swiss tour, having seen one of the games. Nice place and all that, but the wrong opposition at the wrong time (the start of their season). On the general question of fitness I've always thought that the department involved would have their own professional standards so I'm not sure what might have happened if they really have been that unfit (ignoring injuries).

[sadoldgit]

No one knows for sure whether the pre-season was a shambles or not. Lambert came out and said he was the best prepared he has ever been. Perhaps the crap start was down to the huge weight of expectations on the team? Certainly plenty of chances were made in several games and missed. Had they gone in, different story. Players were signed pre-season, okay not in the positions we wanted them but signings were made non the less.

[saint_mears]

I agree - It was flaming fabulous.

 

Did you know of any viable alternative ??

 

Thought not !

 

That was all done and dusted last year and you cannot hold onto that forever.

 

Do you hold the hand of the person who built the dell ?

[sadoldgit]

ask me something then? i am not francis benali, and i am not fish. but everything i have told you on here is the truth. also im not the analyst. and my only agenda is that he is not doing a good job,has too big an ego for the role he has,after all it isnt his money. the world he is from has no idea of team work and collective responsibility,its banking and wealth management,abstract jobs,steeped in secrecy and without trust. his relations with all members of staff is despicable and he is universally disliked by sms staff and all except reed burke and hunter at the tg.

 

I have heard that his relations with the staff at SMS is very poor too. If what you say is true it is very worrying.

[John B]

No one knows for sure whether the pre-season was a shambles or not. Lambert came out and said he was the best prepared he has ever been. Perhaps the crap start was down to the huge weight of expectations on the team? Certainly plenty of chances were made in several games and missed. Had they gone in, different story. Players were signed pre-season, okay not in the positions we wanted them but signings were made non the less.

 

Lets face we hardly signed anybody except Richardson as we had no right back and Dickson has not played much - although we have to pay Brentford appearance money

 

Butterfield was signed after Richardson was injured .

 

Pre season was poor going to Switzerland to play top class teams just as their season started was questionable followed by games against Farnborough Sutton Barnet where we did not play that well

[Jonnyboy]

i thought pards was busy ****gin fontes mrs and was too tired to take training

[Smirking_Saint]

So we are being taken in by a bloke that is apparantly an ex player and posting on here under the name of left back with a massive anti NC agenda

 

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

 

I might change my name to right back and think of some extravagant story myself.

[aintforever]

I think Pardew knew his card was marked and couldn't be bothered. I think ML's illness meant NC took his eye off things.

I also think AP started applying for other jobs which was the excuse NC had been waiting for to dismiss him. By that time however the rot had set in, and like last season we are playing catch up.

 

That what I'm thinking as well. At the players sponsors dinner Pardew did a speech which gave me the impression all was not well. He said something about Cortese giving him a list of games he thinks he should win and he made a remark about it not going to happen. Plus there were a few things said at the end of last season, the rumours at the last game and the pulled programme etc.

 

My guess is, pardew just got fed up with it all. It doesn't matter how great your job is, if you think your boss is a c*nt you want out.

[eelpie]

I have heard that his relations with the staff at SMS is very poor too. If what you say is true it is very worrying.

 

But there ain't anything anyone can do about it apart from 'hope' (if that is what you want) that the Liebherr family withdraw their money and sell the club to asset strippers and tyre kickers. Do you really want to go through all that again?

 

leftback?

 

For me, I just hope that Nicola is learning from experience, because we are far better off with an impatient Cortese than without. Perhaps he is reading leftbacks criticisms (and I am not saying that they are not justified) and taking note. When is the next fans forum?

[Torres]

 

If Mr. Cortese has learned one thing out of this debacle, I hope it is an instinct for what makes a constructive meaningful pre-season. I know he had a pretty big distraction, which in itself may have disturbed the nature of the pre-season a bit. It seems to me he knew jack-sh*t and let Pardew run rings around him.

 

 

And if he'd been telling Pardew how to prepare the players for pre-season and dictating tactics and transfers you'd be calling for his head on a plate. Yawn.

[sadoldgit]

But there ain't anything anyone can do about it apart from 'hope' (if that is what you want) that the Liebherr family withdraw their money and sell the club to asset strippers and tyre kickers. Do you really want to go through all that again?

 

leftback?

 

For me, I just hope that Nicola is learning from experience, because we are far better off with an impatient Cortese than without. Perhaps he is reading leftbacks criticisms (and I am not saying that they are not justified) and taking note. When is the next fans forum?

 

No I don't want to go through all that again. But I don't want another problematic CEO either!

[modern matron]

ask me something then? i am not francis benali, and i am not fish. but everything i have told you on here is the truth. also im not the analyst. and my only agenda is that he is not doing a good job,has too big an ego for the role he has,after all it isnt his money. the world he is from has no idea of team work and collective responsibility,its banking and wealth management,abstract jobs,steeped in secrecy and without trust. his relations with all members of staff is despicable and he is universally disliked by sms staff and all except reed burke and hunter at the tg.

 

 

I have no reason to question you but surely NA did? I cannot believe easily that NA would leave a supportive workplace allowing him freedom, to then join an organisation that you describe. NC may be a control freak (the owner of Coliseum coaches who drive the team might support this) but if it s bad as you suggest.................no way......

[modern matron]

That what I'm thinking as well. At the players sponsors dinner Pardew did a speech which gave me the impression all was not well. He said something about Cortese giving him a list of games he thinks he should win and he made a remark about it not going to happen. Plus there were a few things said at the end of last season, the rumours at the last game and the pulled programme etc.

 

My guess is, pardew just got fed up with it all. It doesn't matter how great your job is, if you think your boss is a c*nt you want out.

 

Who is the ****?

[sadoldgit]

I have no reason to question you but surely NA did? I cannot believe easily that NA would leave a supportive workplace allowing him freedom, to then join an organisation that you describe. NC may be a control freak (the owner of Coliseum coaches who drive the team might support this) but if it s bad as you suggest.................no way......

 

A lot of managers go to work in environments that are not great for a variety of reasons. If Cortese laid on the charm the rest is easy as the club sells itself. I doubt if he gave Pardew a call and said should I take it.

[sadoldgit]

That what I'm thinking as well. At the players sponsors dinner Pardew did a speech which gave me the impression all was not well. He said something about Cortese giving him a list of games he thinks he should win and he made a remark about it not going to happen. Plus there were a few things said at the end of last season, the rumours at the last game and the pulled programme etc.

 

My guess is, pardew just got fed up with it all. It doesn't matter how great your job is, if you think your boss is a c*nt you want out.

 

If that is what happen. If. Then it is understandle. Pardew know he can get a CCC job, if not another Prem job. So why take sh*t in the third division? If.

[derry]

One thing that can be put down to a lack of match fitness, is the pattern the early season games followed, we played well for about half an hour and dominated, then let the opposition back in the game, followed after half time by the opposition dominating the second half.

[derry]

If that is what happen. If. Then it is understandle. Pardew know he can get a CCC job, if not another Prem job. So why take sh*t in the third division? If.

 

Pardew has been fired from his last three jobs and is pretty much damaged goods. If there is fall out from his time at SMS, it will soon be common knowledge in the small world of football. He may get a rescue job somewhere desperate, but it would be a surprise if he picked up another desirable job soon.

[Smirking_Saint]

A lot of managers go to work in environments that are not great for a variety of reasons. If Cortese laid on the charm the rest is easy as the club sells itself. I doubt if he gave Pardew a call and said should I take it.

 

Depends, if NC is anywhere near as bad as has been made out then this job would not have been as widely applied for as it was. And i highly doubt we would have seen names such as Howe and Adkins who were/are very comfortable at their respected clubs, nor would we have seen the likes of Brown trying to talk himself into the job.

 

These guys aren't fools.

 

I have heard that although NC doesn't suffer fools, he is hardly the fire breathing tyrant either. Just a man who demands the best and commitment. Now i know that a man like that would be looked at very differently by people with different attitudes etc.

 

From the outside i want a man like that, but if it is employees used to working to a light and frankly uningspiring workload then i can see the resentment.

[Smirking_Saint]

Pardew has been fired from his last three jobs and is pretty much damaged goods. If there is fall out from his time at SMS, it will soon be common knowledge in the small world of football. He may get a rescue job somewhere desperate, but it would be a surprise if he picked up another desirable job soon.

 

This

 

And frankly he is just not THAT good, very egotistical and rumours of disharmony follows him around like a bad smell.

[sadoldgit]

Depends, if NC is anywhere near as bad as has been made out then this job would not have been as widely applied for as it was. And i highly doubt we would have seen names such as Howe and Adkins who were/are very comfortable at their respected clubs, nor would we have seen the likes of Brown trying to talk himself into the job.

 

These guys aren't fools.

 

I have heard that although NC doesn't suffer fools, he is hardly the fire breathing tyrant either. Just a man who demands the best and commitment. Now i know that a man like that would be looked at very differently by people with different attitudes etc.

 

From the outside i want a man like that, but if it is employees used to working to a light and frankly uningspiring workload then i can see the resentment.

 

Lowe didn't haveany trouble geting people to apply for the job and he had a far worse reputation. Football managers aren't fools. If they can get a job like ours then they are heroes if they do well and minted if they get sacked. As for Pardew getting sacked several times, he is not a lone stastic in that department. HIs stock will be high after what he achieved with us last year and although he might not get a Prem offer he could certainly manage in the CCC again.

[Smirking_Saint]

Lowe didn't haveany trouble geting people to apply for the job and he had a far worse reputation. Football managers aren't fools. If they can get a job like ours then they are heroes if they do well and minted if they get sacked. As for Pardew getting sacked several times, he is not a lone stastic in that department. HIs stock will be high after what he achieved with us last year and although he might not get a Prem offer he could certainly manage in the CCC again.

 

Or didn't achieve TBH

[sadoldgit]

This

 

And frankly he is just not THAT good, very egotistical and rumours of disharmony follows him around like a bad smell.

 

Not that bad either to be fair. Plenty of managers are egotistical, it is what drives them to manage. As for your last point, as you say, rumours.

[sadoldgit]

Or didn't achieve TBH

 

He won a cup and would have got a down and out club into the play offs if it wasn't for the minus 10 points. I would say that was an achievement, evn if it falls below your expectations. You could add that he signed some players who could easily be playing in the CCC. No mean feat either.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not that bad either to be fair. Plenty of managers are egotistical, it is what drives them to manage. As for your last point, as you say, rumours.

 

Sometimes the old smoke and fire saying can just be bandied around to add support to any rumour but when it comes from almost every sacking you really need to start paying attention

[Smirking_Saint]

He won a cup and would have got a down and out club into the play offs if it wasn't for the minus 10 points. I would say that was an achievement, evn if it falls below your expectations. You could add that he signed some players who could easily be playing in the CCC. No mean feat either.

 

He failed in the run up, when you say won a cup its akin to Chelsea winning the charity shield, a decent day out but ultimately forgetable.

 

As for a down and out club, he spent a shed load and pieced together a side that should have achieved, and a side that really wasn't down and out as it was either sourced elsewhere or bouyed by the new owners.

[The Kraken]

Pardew has been fired from his last three jobs and is pretty much damaged goods. If there is fall out from his time at SMS, it will soon be common knowledge in the small world of football. He may get a rescue job somewhere desperate, but it would be a surprise if he picked up another desirable job soon.

 

Nonsense. Speak to most people external to Saints and they'll mostly think that Pardew did a good job for us last season. Loads of my (non-Saints) friends were completely amazed when he was sacked, and won't look too far beyond the media embellished stories that Cortese is a bit of a nut. Spin works both ways in termination of employment and, with Downes and Murdoch going too, AP and them will simply claim that it wasn't possible to work with the current owner's impossible procedures.

 

It's exactly the same with Burley, he was a busted flush here but outside that was well thought of and went on to land the national team job. He completely failed there but still got the Palace job.

 

Pardew comes across very well, is media savvy (despite his previous "r4ped him" comment) and seems an intelligent man. I think he'll get snapped up by a Championship team in the next few months. And most will remember him for doing a good job in very difficult circumstances here; I believe his managerial reputation will have been enhanced by his stay here. And you only have to look at previous stories from Martin Samuel etc who will stick by managers and paint a contrary picture against the "arrogance" of football chairmen to see that his media image won't be too affected by his ultimate dismissal.

[Chez]

Leftback obviously has some connection to the club. I wonder if he still is there though, as NC will not take kindly to these posts and Iam certain he will be aware of them.

The person will be part of a small group of people who know all these events and will be found pretty quickly.

are you suggesting that an SFC official is checking all threads for possible leaks and if there is any sign of one, following them up with some sort of investigation to route out the source, and then taking some sort of action? Sounds like there is a great deal of paranoia to me. Not exactly the best working environment if this is remotely true. Edited 29 September, 2010 by Chez

[sadoldgit]

He failed in the run up, when you say won a cup its akin to Chelsea winning the charity shield, a decent day out but ultimately forgetable.

 

As for a down and out club, he spent a shed load and pieced together a side that should have achieved, and a side that really wasn't down and out as it was either sourced elsewhere or bouyed by the new owners.

 

He only failed because he was hamstrung from the start. I believe without the minus 10 we would have been promoted through the play offs. It is a tin pot cup but for a club that has ome of the smallest trophy cabinets in the country and one that has been through a dismal time, it was a very large light at the end of a very long dark tunnel. You can apply the word "should" any where you want but it means nothing. England should have done better in the World Cup. He did a decent job last year and played his part in turning this club around.

[alpine_saint]

Lowe didn't haveany trouble geting people to apply for the job and he had a far worse reputation.

 

Complete b*ll*cks. Thats why we ended up with Gray and Wigley.

 

Isnt it about time for you to face up to yourself and the simple fact that you seem incapable of accepting Lowe has gone ? You are the ONLY person who brings him up on here any more.

[alpine_saint]

He only failed because he was hamstrung from the start.

 

Yeah, millions to spend over two windows. What a handicap, what a rotten disadvantage...

[Turkish]

Complete b*ll*cks. Thats why we ended up with Gray and Wigley.

 

Isnt it about time for you to face up to yourself and the simple fact that you seem incapable of accepting Lowe has gone ? You are the ONLY person who brings him up on here any more.

 

Wigley maybe but Gray? Didn't David Moyes want the job but was pis*ed off at being dictated too about who is backroom staff could be? A few months later Moyes turns up at a stuggling Everton, 7 years on they are getting regular top half finishes and we are in L1, a masterstroke from Lowe.

[ottery st mary]

Pardew has been fired from his last three jobs and is pretty much damaged goods. If there is fall out from his time at SMS, it will soon be common knowledge in the small world of football. He may get a rescue job somewhere desperate, but it would be a surprise if he picked up another desirable job soon.

 

Reading your continual personal attacks against Alan Pardew suggests to me derry boy that it is just a little toopersonal..

 

Let us in on the secret coach..

 

Your lack of football knowledge has shown you up to a be a bitter and twisted wannabe coach who knows very little.......

 

Your so called reports on games when Pardew was in charge were pathetic. Same continual drivel followed by coaching manual shiiitte.

Since he has left you use the same lame excuse that it is Pards fault and Adkins will have to pick up the pieces.

 

He has to do what he knows best...like Pardew coach the side to get points...I hope to god you let Nigel get on with it..

 

As I say..let us know why the personal thing about Pardew or are you just a bitter and twisted pretend coach who thinks he knows better..

 

Personally I've always thought you had no clue about football..but then again your little group of axe grinders were always singing your praises...Grow up FFS

 

Now let us concentrate on Saturday and get behind our Nigel and three points to set the ball rolling..

 

Please leave it to the peeps who know about football big Dave...

 

 

 

WIFM

[andybeal]

Could Leftback be Pullis? He's always left back and never taken to games?

[Smirking_Saint]

He only failed because he was hamstrung from the start. I believe without the minus 10 we would have been promoted through the play offs. It is a tin pot cup but for a club that has ome of the smallest trophy cabinets in the country and one that has been through a dismal time, it was a very large light at the end of a very long dark tunnel. You can apply the word "should" any where you want but it means nothing. England should have done better in the World Cup. He did a decent job last year and played his part in turning this club around.

 

Hardly hamstrung and fell at the first hurdle for me, which IMO means he has failed. Also, he went cap in hand to NC asking for more to fund a playoff push which makes his playoff even worse IMO.

 

Should is a great word, it is used to denote a necessity, as in i should have gone to the doctors etc. The same as England should have done better and so were slammed for it. We should have done better and so i am dissapointed. Thats just my opinion, everyone else could say otherwise, but my opinion is with the money spent, the team we had and so called pedigree of manager we should have made the playoffs.

 

Yes the cup was a delight, i had a great time but would trade it in an instant last season for a 50/50 chance at promotion, because its the big things clubs are judged on. And its the goals achieved by managers which gives them a name, no one gives a sh*t about nearly men, and only the stories of winners are remembered.

[Wes Tender]

Could Leftback be Pullis? He's always left back and never taken to games?

 

Surely not. His dad is a football manager who would have been able to have afforded a decent education for his son. Certainly somebody with a half decent education would be capable of making a better fist of the basic rules of grammar and punctuation in his posts.

[sadoldgit]

Hardly hamstrung and fell at the first hurdle for me, which IMO means he has failed. Also, he went cap in hand to NC asking for more to fund a playoff push which makes his playoff even worse IMO.

 

Should is a great word, it is used to denote a necessity, as in i should have gone to the doctors etc. The same as England should have done better and so were slammed for it. We should have done better and so i am dissapointed. Thats just my opinion, everyone else could say otherwise, but my opinion is with the money spent, the team we had and so called pedigree of manager we should have made the playoffs.

 

Yes the cup was a delight, i had a great time but would trade it in an instant last season for a 50/50 chance at promotion, because its the big things clubs are judged on. And its the goals achieved by managers which gives them a name, no one gives a sh*t about nearly men, and only the stories of winners are remembered.

 

As you say, it is just opinions and I respect the fact that some people think he did a good job and some people don't. Whether he went cap in hand and asked for money I don't know. Perhaps Cortese offered it up? What I do know is that you can't just buy promotion. We could have done better. Many teams did worse and they will be saying the same. Should? Why? Just because we spent money? If only it were that simple SS.

[Red and White Army]

Reading your continual personal attacks against Alan Pardew suggests to me derry boy that it is just a little toopersonal..

 

This. Derry has a huge chip on his shoulder for some reason, and he has lost any semblance of objectivity or fairness.

[Saint in Paradise]

Well IMHO it is Ottery who keeps using personal attacks against Derry. I get the impression

that Ottery thinks the sun shines out of Mr Pardews bottom and hates any one who shows up

Mr Pardews weakness. I actually managed to attend the Rochdale game a few weeks ago and

I have to say I was very unimpressed with the lack of running throughout most of the team. They

looked no where near a fit as Rochdale.

[doddisalegend]

Well IMHO it is Ottery who keeps using personal attacks against Derry. I get the impression

that Ottery thinks the sun shines out of Mr Pardews bottom and hates any one who shows up

Mr Pardews weakness. I actually managed to attend the Rochdale game a few weeks ago and

I have to say I was very unimpressed with the lack of running throughout most of the team. They

looked no where near a fit as Rochdale.

 

At what point do people stop blaming Pardew though? The team (apart from lambert) haven't looked unfit to me they had plenty of energy against Bristol rovers, Bolton and Plymouth. Rochadale was nothing to do with fitness they did what everyones doing to us at home defending in numbers and hitting us on the break as we commit players forward looking for the win. Look at the match stats

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10280~52805,00.html

 

we had 22 shots to their six and 57% possession wilkins had no ideas how to change the match and our stikers can't convert their chances thats why we lost.

[Weston Saint]

Reading your continual personal attacks against Alan Pardew suggests to me derry boy that it is just a little toopersonal..

 

Let us in on the secret coach..

 

Your lack of football knowledge has shown you up to a be a bitter and twisted wannabe coach who knows very little.......

 

Your so called reports on games when Pardew was in charge were pathetic. Same continual drivel followed by coaching manual shiiitte.

Since he has left you use the same lame excuse that it is Pards fault and Adkins will have to pick up the pieces.

 

He has to do what he knows best...like Pardew coach the side to get points...I hope to god you let Nigel get on with it..

 

As I say..let us know why the personal thing about Pardew or are you just a bitter and twisted pretend coach who thinks he knows better..

 

Personally I've always thought you had no clue about football..but then again your little group of axe grinders were always singing your praises...Grow up FFS

 

Now let us concentrate on Saturday and get behind our Nigel and three points to set the ball rolling..

 

Please leave it to the peeps who know about football big Dave...

 

 

 

WIFM

So someone with coaching badges gives his views without being rude to any poster and you write this! Shame on you. Give an opinion on the points raised by all means but no need to have a go at the poster for holding valid views. Thought you were better than that.

[Saint Billy]

Reading your continual personal attacks against Alan Pardew suggests to me derry boy that it is just a little toopersonal..

 

Let us in on the secret coach..

 

Your lack of football knowledge has shown you up to a be a bitter and twisted wannabe coach who knows very little.......

 

Your so called reports on games when Pardew was in charge were pathetic. Same continual drivel followed by coaching manual shiiitte.

Since he has left you use the same lame excuse that it is Pards fault and Adkins will have to pick up the pieces.

 

He has to do what he knows best...like Pardew coach the side to get points...I hope to god you let Nigel get on with it..

 

As I say..let us know why the personal thing about Pardew or are you just a bitter and twisted pretend coach who thinks he knows better..

 

Personally I've always thought you had no clue about football..but then again your little group of axe grinders were always singing your praises...Grow up FFS

 

Now let us concentrate on Saturday and get behind our Nigel and three points to set the ball rolling..

 

Please leave it to the peeps who know about football big Dave...

 

 

 

WIFM

 

It was only when I saw the word peeps that I recognised this post as Otterys! Calm down calm down (said with scouse accent).

 

I was never totally convinced by his style of management but it did work to a certain degree, but in the main I do agree with Derry's opinion regarding his management skills. For me, the same flaws started to appear with Saints that exposed him in his West Ham and Charlton days.

[ottery st mary]

Well IMHO it is Ottery who keeps using personal attacks against Derry. I get the impression

that Ottery thinks the sun shines out of Mr Pardews bottom and hates any one who shows up

Mr Pardews weakness. I actually managed to attend the Rochdale game a few weeks ago and

I have to say I was very unimpressed with the lack of running throughout most of the team. They

looked no where near a fit as Rochdale.

 

Pardew has moved on old fella...

 

Nigel Adkins is the main man...Let us all get behind our Nigel and the team..

 

Three points on Saturday will be a good start..

 

I have already forgotten the past...

 

derry is much better than his recent posting.

Pards here no longer and my focus is on Saturday...

 

WIFM

[ottery st mary]

So someone with coaching badges gives his views without being rude to any poster and you write this! Shame on you. Give an opinion on the points raised by all means but no need to have a go at the poster for holding valid views. Thought you were better than that.

 

 

 

The point I was making to derry is that his continual attacks against Pardew make him look spiteful..

 

derry is better than that..

 

opinion on the points raised continually by derry...

 

Move on derry old boy..let us hope Nigel Adkins can produce and move us up the league..

 

Three points on Saturday for starters..

 

I am about the same as you and derry a real Saints supporter looking for some more points on the board..

 

Ron you know full well that certificates mean very little....

 

On this forum we are all expert in what is required by Southampton football club.

 

WIFM

[trousers]

It was only when I saw the word peeps that I recognised this post as Otterys!

 

Thought that too. very out of character.....It took me back to the halcyon days of 2007/08 where one login ID was used by more than one person.....

[derry]

I don't set out to be contraversial, however I wasn't impressed by Pardew's appointment because of his recent record especially at Charlton. Having sat through every game at SMS since his arrival and been forced to watch some horrendous dross, even if the end result justified the means, I personally want to see more than that. I certainly am delighted that Pardew has gone, as he has done nothing in the time he was here that could persuade me that he was in any way the manager to take us forward.

 

I am delighted by the appointment of Nigel Atkins and have often named him along with Sean O'Driscoll and Lee Clarke as the sort of football manager I would like to see here. I have criticised the narrow way we played and the reversion to hoofball under Pardew which is being dispensed with under the new management. It is significant that Adkins was critical about the reversion to the long ball at Yeovil and the fact he looks for his teams to be balanced, play the full width of the pitch and picks players on their strongest side. All things that I have consistently criticised Pardew for ignoring. In a short time this team will be unrecognisable and much more enjoyable to watch under Nigel Adkins.

[doddisalegend]

I don't set out to be contraversial, however I wasn't impressed by Pardew's appointment because of his recent record especially at Charlton. Having sat through every game at SMS since his arrival and been forced to watch some horrendous dross, even if the end result justified the means, I personally want to see more than that. I certainly am delighted that Pardew has gone, as he has done nothing in the time he was here that could persuade me that he was in any way the manager to take us forward.

 

I am delighted by the appointment of Nigel Atkins and have often named him along with Sean O'Driscoll and Lee Clarke as the sort of football manager I would like to see here. I have criticised the narrow way we played and the reversion to hoofball under Pardew which is being dispensed with under the new management. It is significant that Adkins was critical about the reversion to the long ball at Yeovil and the fact he looks for his teams to be balanced, play the full width of the pitch and picks players on their strongest side. All things that I have consistently criticised Pardew for ignoring. In a short time this team will be unrecognisable and much more enjoyable to watch under Nigel Adkins.

 

Only if they're winning. Good football with no end result is no help to the club. Everyone would like us to play like Barcelona while winning all our matches. Can a team of league one players provide that though? If nigel can pull it off great we'll all be happy but football is results driven (and AP got quite a few results) playing great passing football and not winning matches won't do us or Nigel any favours at all.