Scientology

[shirleysfc]

Are these guys for real??

 

Do Scientologists believe in space aliens?

Scientology does teach that many of our problems are caused by the spirits of space aliens that are stuck to our bodies. However, that teaching is considered confidential and is only taught to Scientologists who have reached a certain level, known in Scientology as OT III - so a lot of Scientologists are actually unaware that this is an important Scientology teaching.

 

What, exactly, does Scientology say about space aliens?

In the materials for OT III (Operating Thetan level 3), L. Ron Hubbard writes that, 75 million years ago, the head of the Galactic Federation, made up of 76 planets, was a being named Xenu. Faced with an overpopulation problem, he brought beings to this planet, blew them up with hydrogen bombs, and packaged them. Their spirits now infest our bodies: he says "One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body." Scientologists at this level try to rid themselves of these thetans (spirits) by helping each one to remember the painful experiences of being blown up like that.

 

http://www.scientology-lies.com/faq/teachings/aliens.html

[Weston Super Saint]

How are the scientologists 'unaware' of the confidential teachings of OT III when they are freely available on the innernetz?

 

Frankly, if they are too stupid to do a simple google search, they clearly deserve to remain in the dark, being fed sh i t, just like mushrooms.

[Verbal]

The weirdness of scientology isn't the problem - it's the thuggish, oppressive way in which they deal with dissenters and critics. Campaigns of sustained intimidation are common, not just against those who have the temerity to leave, but against anyone who investigates them in any way whatsoever.

[shirleysfc]

You can just imagine the day that people finally get to find out the big secret...

 

Aliens WTF! You're sh*tting me!

[CB Saint]

Sounds like any other religion to me

 

For example we are led to believe that Mary got pregnant without the prerequisite slap and tickle, moses rocked up to the Red Sea and parted it without use of dams etc and any muslim will be entitled to 40 virgins for eternity if he straps on a dynamite vest.

 

As for thuggery towards dissenters see dynamite vest above and the spanish inquisition.

[saint lard]

It's a cult,not a religion,imo.

[Special K]

They count some notable screen actors amongst their ranks, which makes everything a-ok. Incidentally, I got in touch with my inner thetans the other day and tbf, they were a good craic. Taking them to the game on saturday as it happens.

[SNSUN]

Everyone has the right to a religion, no matter how weird it is, but not if it is rammed down people's throats. Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example to this, if I wanted to hear passages from the bible, I'd go to church. I don't expect to be interrupted from a daytime Tommy Tank to answer the door to these people.

[Special K]

Everyone has the right to a religion, no matter how weird it is, but not if it is rammed down people's throats. Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example to this, if I wanted to hear passages from the bible, I'd go to church. I don't expect to be interrupted from a daytime Tommy Tank to answer the door to these people.

 

Dare i suggest that if you continued with bashing the old (non-denominational) bishop in front of them, they may make the decision not to visit you again?

[SNSUN]

Dare i suggest that if you continued with bashing the old (non-denominational) bishop in front of them, they may make the decision not to visit you again?

 

They'd thank God for me that I was blessed with such meatage, so I still wouldn't avoid the prayer.

[Wade Garrett]

I think it's hilarious that people like Tom Cruise and John Travolta believe in the teachings of a science fiction writer.

 

What a load of idiots they all are.

 

I know someone who went to a ' meeting' without knowing what it was all about. He got a really offensive handwritten letter afterwards, when he wanted nothing to do with it all. They prey on the vulnerable. I don't like to say it, but I really would like personally to do them physical harm.

 

Scientology my arse.

[Special K]

They'd thank God for me that I was blessed with such meatage, so I still wouldn't avoid the prayer.

 

You could then set up an offshoot religion based upon superior appendage size. You would be revered by clopper the world over and probably not have to do a boring housework to get laid.

[SNSUN]

You could then set up an offshoot religion based upon superior appendage size. You would be revered by clopper the world over and probably not have to do a boring housework to get laid.

 

Nah, it'd be joined by a bunch of small *****ed celebrities, looking to boost their egos. Alcohol is my religion, and there are plenty of people in the world that already believe in it!

[Durleyfos]

I watched a bit of the BBC documentry last night.

 

The BBC chap was interviewing Anne Archer (an actress, aparently), my favourite bit was this exchange...

 

BBC Man: People say that Scientologists are brainwashed (or words to that effect)

Ann Archer: Do I look brainwashed to you?

BBC Man: ..............

AA: How dare you. HOW DARE YOU.

 

Much lollage in our house.

[Saint-scooby]

Do they give out money to people who need it

[Sheaf Saint]

It's a cult,not a religion,imo.

 

But that's all that religions really are. it's just that some cults are a lot bigger than others and have somehow worked their way into global politics.

 

As to the aliens thing, to my mind it is no more irrational or unlikely than the Christian belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat of his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil spirit that exists in mankind because some rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from some magic tree.

[GenevaSaint]

But that's all that religions really are. it's just that some cults are a lot bigger than others and have somehow worked their way into global politics.

 

As to the aliens thing, to my mind it is no more irrational or unlikely than the Christian belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat of his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil spirit that exists in mankind because some rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from some magic tree.

 

I see where you're coming from Bexy but I don't ever remember the Christian based religions employing the methods used by these nutters. Constantly filming the BBC guy where ever he went, WTF. Cutting people off from their family members if they choose to leave the "religion". Signing yourself up for life. Not being able to have a child while in that section of the "church". Paying to move up a level! Fecking weirdos the lot of them.

[bridge too far]

I see where you're coming from Bexy but I don't ever remember the Christian based religions employing the methods used by these nutters. Constantly filming the BBC guy where ever he went, WTF. Cutting people off from their family members if they choose to leave the "religion". Signing yourself up for life. Not being able to have a child while in that section of the "church". Paying to move up a level! Fecking weirdos the lot of them.

 

I watched that programme last night and thought it showed the sect up for what it was. But, immediately after the 10 o'clock news, there was another programme. One of the stories featured was of a woman whose family belonged to a Christian sect. Judging by the headscarves the female members wore, I think it was the Plymouth Brethren. The poor woman was cut off from her family because she chose to leave the sect. She directly attributed her eating disorders to the pressure the sect put on her.

[Saintandy666]

Nothing wrong with believing that anymore than believing the teachings of christianity and so on and so forth. However, Scientology kills, lies and is just general malicious. Fair game, disconnection, Operation Snow White, Lisa McPherson. Search them up if you want.

[Special K]

I vaguely recall some irrelevant celebrity tittle-tattle about Tom Cruise and his missus. I think when she gave birth to their nipper, she was under strict instructions not to make any noise at all during her labour. Quite honestly, any cult that insists on birds keeping their trap shut, can't be all bad.

[Baj]

I see where you're coming from Bexy but I don't ever remember the Christian based religions employing the methods used by these nutters.

the crusades? a little worse perhaps...

[Sheaf Saint]

the crusades? a little worse perhaps...

 

Or the systematic destruction of all references to the old pagan religions and the demonisation of women during the dark ages even?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I walked past a Scientology place Near Tottenham Court Road yesterday, there were also people in funny masks shouting stuff at it from outside.

[GenevaSaint]

the crusades? a little worse perhaps...

 

OK, lets amend that to in "recent times". The scientologists are here and now.

[Baj]

OK, lets amend that to in "recent times". The scientologists are here and now.

Ok, Catholic church over the last 50 years do yer?

[Nellie]

Ok, Catholic church over the last 50 years do yer?

Not really. Could you be more specific please? In what way has the Catholic Church of the last fifty years employed the same methods as those used by Scientologists? I'm intrigued to know what you are referring to.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not really. Could you be more specific please? In what way has the Catholic Church of the last fifty years employed the same methods as those used by Scientologists? I'm intrigued to know what you are referring to.

 

Has a scientologist ever ignored child rape i wonder ?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

IIRC the mormon faith was started when a 14 year old boy claimed to have seen an angel (moroni ?) who told him to start the religion. The angel also gave him some plates with commandments on them, but he buried them by a mountain and forgot where he had put them so couldn't show anyone else. Quite similar stupidity.

[Smirking_Saint]

IIRC the mormon faith was started when a 14 year old boy claimed to have seen an angel (moroni ?) who told him to start the religion. The angel also gave him some plates with commandments on them' date=' but he buried them by a mountain and forgot where he had put them so couldn't show anyone else. Quite similar stupidity.[/quote']

 

What a fool, that boy could have made a mint

[Saintandy666]

Ok, Catholic church over the last 50 years do yer?

 

Scientology is 10x worse than the catholic church. It deliberately murders, breaks up families and harasses critics and former members(often through targetted hate campaigns in the area which the person lives, digging up secrets from the past etc). This doesn't even touch how much money you are forced to pour into the cult to work your way up. They leave you broken at the end.

[Verbal]

Scientology is 10x worse than the catholic church. It deliberately murders, breaks up families and harasses critics and former members(often through targetted hate campaigns in the area which the person lives, digging up secrets from the past etc). This doesn't even touch how much money you are forced to pour into the cult to work your way up. They leave you broken at the end.

 

For all that scientology is truly loathsome, nothing - but nothing - can compete with the Catholic Church. Or to be more precise, the Roman interpretation of Christianity - which has imposed brutal, mindless authoritarianism, dressed up in the garb of impenetrable ritual. No wonder Blair was such a devotee. The list of the Roman church's crimes are way too long to mention.

 

The Roman diktats about what constituted the Bible - the forced removal of the 'secret' Book of John (a peaen to original Christian values) and the inclusion of several monstrosities in the Old Testament - are reason enough for reasonable people to disregard its message. But the sheer, horrific, often misogynistic violence of its past, and the casual, condoned abuse of the vulnerable in the present, render it beyond the pale.

 

Any notion that Travolta et al, for all their sinister weirdness, can come close is preposterous.

 

I speak, of course, as a lapsed Catholic.

[scotty]

Everyone has the right to a religion, no matter how weird it is, but not if it is rammed down people's throats. Jehovah's Witnesses are a prime example to this, if I wanted to hear passages from the bible, I'd go to church. I don't expect to be interrupted from a daytime Tommy Tank to answer the door to these people.

 

Dare i suggest that if you continued with bashing the old (non-denominational) bishop in front of them, they may make the decision not to visit you again?

 

they make damn sure you cant, by the simple expedient of dragging a young kid round with them. Which also ensures that you are unlikely to direct verbal abuse at them.

[smithy]

Watch the South Park Episode 'In the closet'. It will tell you everything you need to know about Scientology and perhaps why Tom Cruise is one.

[Smirking_Saint]

For all that scientology is truly loathsome, nothing - but nothing - can compete with the Catholic Church. Or to be more precise, the Roman interpretation of Christianity - which has imposed brutal, mindless authoritarianism, dressed up in the garb of impenetrable ritual. No wonder Blair was such a devotee. The list of the Roman church's crimes are way too long to mention.

 

The Roman diktats about what constituted the Bible - the forced removal of the 'secret' Book of John (a peaen to original Christian values) and the inclusion of several monstrosities in the Old Testament - are reason enough for reasonable people to disregard its message. But the sheer, horrific, often misogynistic violence of its past, and the casual, condoned abuse of the vulnerable in the present, render it beyond the pale.

 

Any notion that Travolta et al, for all their sinister weirdness, can come close is preposterous.

 

I speak, of course, as a lapsed Catholic.

 

Plus the fact that they completely (pretty much) disregard the teachings of science and pretty much would be happy if no-one ever learnt from it ever again. Believe that they themselves are beyond criticism and also that anyone who is a non believer is obviously a Nazi, but then the pope would know lol !

 

The thing that makes me laugh is the fact there head of the religion has obviously no faith in his god, what with the whole bullet proof glass and all.

[Baj]

Scientology is 10x worse than the catholic church. It deliberately murders, breaks up families and harasses critics and former members(often through targetted hate campaigns in the area which the person lives, digging up secrets from the past etc). This doesn't even touch how much money you are forced to pour into the cult to work your way up. They leave you broken at the end.

 

10X worse.... REALLY?

 

Genocide, child rape and the perpetuation of lies regarding condoms and aids leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths in catholic Africa from AIDS.

 

Give me the ****ing Scientology film crew any day of the week

[Saintandy666]

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

[Saintandy666]

Roman Catholicism isn't deliberately malicious. Scientology and those at the top of it are.

[Verbal]

Roman Catholicism isn't deliberately malicious. Scientology and those at the top of it are.

 

Never in the history of humankind has a religion been so soaked in blood as Roman Catholicism. Although it now has serious competition, Roman Catholicism is way out there in the campaign to spread human misery through reckless prohibitions that encourage the destruction of people and families, especially in the developing world.

 

Scientology is a barely registered annoyance by comparison.

[Saintandy666]

Never in the history of humankind has a religion been so soaked in blood as Roman Catholicism. Although it now has serious competition, Roman Catholicism is way out there in the campaign to spread human misery through reckless prohibitions that encourage the destruction of people and families, especially in the developing world.

 

Scientology is a barely registered annoyance by comparison.

 

Both retarded.

[Smirking_Saint]

The only religion even worth thinking about is Bhudism and even that is a bit mental.

 

How anyone who practices christianity can openly and honestly slam another religion is pretty laughable really. And trying to claim one religion is more malicious then christianity ??

 

BEHAVE !!!!!!!!!

[Tokyo-Saint]

This is a bit like argueing which nutter is the most mental at the looney bin. My money is on the Muslims, facing east each day, blowing themselves up etc but let's face it they are all nuts.

[hypochondriac]

The only religion even worth thinking about is Bhudism and even that is a bit mental.

 

How anyone who practices christianity can openly and honestly slam another religion is pretty laughable really. And trying to claim one religion is more malicious then christianity ??

 

BEHAVE !!!!!!!!!

Well technically it isn't the religion but the people who do things in the name of religion.

[Truesaint]

Well technically it isn't the religion but the people who do things in the name of religion.

 

Quite true, its the same as football clubs. Its like saying saints are a family club, less violent, better behaved etc but we still have our fair share of idiots who get in trouble just in the name of football. We may have less than many other clubs but we still have them.

 

As for religion ill stick with Christianity, C of E, it may have its faults too, but without would our club exist?

[Verbal]

Both retarded.

 

True, but different orders of magnitude.

[Sheaf Saint]

 

Ha ha ha. The hypocrisy of religious types never ceases to amaze me.

[Saintandy666]

All religions have delusional beliefs. But Scientology is especially vicious in the way it practices.

[swannymere]

You're all deluding yourself if you actually believe we are not in some way decended from aliens, listen to Ron.

[RonManager]

You're all deluding yourself if you actually believe we are not in some way decended from aliens, listen to Ron.

 

Yeah, what he said.

[Hamilton Saint]

While scientology is ridiculous and in some cases it seems highly unpleasant and dangerous, I find it a bit annoying that it's highlighted as being so stupid while religions are not. The only difference seems to be numbers and history. So if scientology was 2000 years old and followed by millions, it'd be fine? No, it would still be ridiculous.

 

In the documentary one scientologist asked whether the interviewer would be disrespectful of a jews religion in the same way. Well I would. Not trying to upset anyone, but there should be some consistency in the way we treat delusional beliefs. But growing populations of stupid people, fewer resources and more fear isn't exactly concomitant with an end to religion. Unfortunately.

 

So yeah, scientology is insane, almost comical to listen to the beliefs, but a christian should be very careful about mocking it. Being descending from alien life is scientifically possible, I mean if alien means other planet, other part of the universe, then we are, what with the big bang. Most likely there are millions of planets with life out there, so I can't mock it as much as a virgin birth, talking serpent, ark, zombie jesus and so on.

 

Two major distinctions, though: 1) the major religious traditions of today evolved out of beliefs and events thousands of years ago; scientology was invented by a science fiction writer, and its major dogmas (from what little I've read) read like science fiction; 2) Scientology is clearly a cult that abuses and persecutes those who turn against it - you don't get that behaviour aimed at apostates of most other religions.

[hypochondriac]

Two major distinctions, though: 1) the major religious traditions of today evolved out of beliefs and events thousands of years ago; scientology was invented by a science fiction writer, and its major dogmas (from what little I've read) read like science fiction; 2) Scientology is clearly a cult that abuses and persecutes those who turn against it - you don't get that behaviour aimed at apostates of most other religions.

 

Also people are using extreme examples of other religions to compare them to Scientology. Extreme practices such as disconnection are widespread in the Scientology "church." The same cannot be said for other religions such as Christianity which nevertheless is going to get loads of idiots following it purely due to its size. That doesn't IMO make the religion itself bad. Not sure you can say the same for Scientology or at least not for the people currently running Scientology.