Not under Pardew!

[sadoldgit]

Win Ratios mean absolutely nothing to me if they are used on their own to try and force an opinion, which is what you are trying to do, thats the point i was making.

 

Just saying Mr X has a wi ratio of 65% and Mr Y has a win ratio of 59% means the square root of f*ck all unless you use it in conjunction with other factors.

 

We spent best part of 6 Million, plus whatever the Loans cost us. Our wage bill is probably one of the highest in league and probably a good amount of Championship. We had easily the best squad last year, we put together a good winning run, kept the whole team fit.............................and failed to make the playoffs.

 

That is what a manager is judged on, not to mention the fact that he started this season very poorly both in planning and application.

 

Adkins has came in and tried to change the mentality of the players, as long as he gets us promoted i couldn't give a flying f*ck what his win ratio is. You have to perform at the crunch. After all England had a blinding Win Ratio in the Qualifiers and bottled it at the World Cup, much like we bottled the playoff run in.

 

My school report on Pardew ? Based only on last year ?

 

B - Alan made good progression and a good attempt to complete his Exams to an acceptable level. However he seemed to lose focus towards exam time and allowed after school achievements get in the way of solid results.

 

 

 

 

Also, another note on the Win Ratio b*llocks. I expect that Liverpool have had very good win ratios since the beginning of the Premier league, however they have never actually won it, and so to me, thats not good enough. Unless teams are judged on win ratios these days ?

 

Managers/teams can only beat the teams in front of them. We have divisions which means that we have groups of teams which are deemed to be of similar standards. A high win ration has got to be better than a low win ration. A win is a win and no easier to get in Div 3 than the Premiership for teams in those divisions.

[Smirking_Saint]

Managers/teams can only beat the teams in front of them. We have divisions which means that we have groups of teams which are deemed to be of similar standards. A high win ration has got to be better than a low win ration. A win is a win and no easier to get in Div 3 than the Premiership for teams in those divisions.

 

I don't judge teams on the wins they achieve though SOG, but what they achieve.

 

Pardew didn't do a bad job, but not a good job. Thats not to say i wouldn't have given him time this season but thats not here nor there.

[derry]

Adkins big problem is to get rid of the ingrained Kelvin boots it up to Lambert, but mostly to the centre backs hoofball and narrow crap, favoured by Pardew. Getting rid of Pardew was the best bit of news since Markus Liebherr came as far as I am concerned. As for Nigel Adkins he has certainly over achieved in his last four seasons on 6k crowds.

[shurlock]

Managers/teams can only beat the teams in front of them. We have divisions which means that we have groups of teams which are deemed to be of similar standards. A high win ration has got to be better than a low win ration. A win is a win and no easier to get in Div 3 than the Premiership for teams in those divisions.

 

Not true. Most sophisticated analyses -say deloitte's annual football report- take size of transfer budget/wages into account. Our performances and results under pards look much flattering in that light. Millwall, by contrast, had an excellent season given the constraints they were operating under. Is it any wonder that hodgson was voted manager of the year notwithstanding the fact that ancelotti did the debut in his first season?

[ottery st mary]

Adkins big problem is to get rid of the ingrained Kelvin boots it up to Lambert, but mostly to the centre backs hoofball and narrow crap, favoured by Pardew. Getting rid of Pardew was the best bit of news since Markus Liebherr came as far as I am concerned. As for Nigel Adkins he has certainly over achieved in his last four seasons on 6k crowds.

 

Yes..definite signs of a personal thing going between you derry boy and Pardew...Care to enlighten us please..

 

Personally hope Nigel gets us going but you can't dwell on what might have been...Adkins is a big boy and if you had watched his S****horpe team as much as me you would know you talk football shiite most of the time..

 

Pardew has gone and whatever your personal gripe is and I suggest it is very personal..

 

Your continual juvenile sniping is not going to take the weight off Nigels shoulders..

 

It is for our coach Nigel Adkins to get on with winning three points on Saturday and not anyone elses fault if he fails..

Do you understand that big Dave..

 

WIFM

[Smirking_Saint]

Not true. Most sophisticated analyses -say deloitte's annual football report- take size of transfer budget/wages into account. Our performances and results under pards look much flattering in that light. Millwall, by contrast, had an excellent season given the constraints they were operating under. Is it any wonder that hodgson was voted manager of the year notwithstanding the fact that ancelotti did the debut in his first season?

 

This

[St_Tel49]

What is the point of this thread? Do you want to sack the manager now? - if not then why raise this stuff when he is only 4 games in. Pardew's gone, for whatever reason, and he's not coming back.

[Dalek2003]

Pardew has gone. Get over it and move on with your life before you turn into a ex-manager obsessed oddball as that position is already taken by dalek.

 

 

I've already said that.

[sadoldgit]

Not true. Most sophisticated analyses -say deloitte's annual football report- take size of transfer budget/wages into account. Our performances and results under pards look much flattering in that light. Millwall, by contrast, had an excellent season given the constraints they were operating under. Is it any wonder that hodgson was voted manager of the year notwithstanding the fact that ancelotti did the debut in his first season?

 

What do deloitte's have t say about England performace in the World Cup?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Lets see what Pardews next job in football is. With such a great win ratio and having done such a great job at Saints, it can't be long before a large Championship club comes calling, if not an under achieving lower Premiership team.If however he cant get a job and no decent club will touch him with a barge pole, what will that tell us?Will people still waffle on about his win ratio and how well he did?

[John B]

Lets see what Pardews next job in football is. With such a great win ratio and having done such a great job at Saints, it can't be long before a large Championship club comes calling, if not an under achieving lower Premiership team.If however he cant get a job and no decent club will touch him with a barge pole, what will that tell us?Will people still waffle on about his win ratio and how well he did?

 

I find it very strange that since Pardew left the club fans think that he did not do a good job but while he was at the club he was greatly admired for doing a good job and most fans thought at the end of the season that it was ridiculous to sack him.

 

I thought he did alright not great but should have been given the chance to get us out of League 1.

 

I was surprised to hear that Danny Mills on Radio 5 Live said that Pardew was the best man manager he had come across so Pardew does have a good reputation within the game.

[doddisalegend]

I find it very strange that since Pardew left the club fans think that he did not do a good job but while he was at the club he was greatly admired for doing a good job and most fans thought at the end of the season that it was ridiculous to sack him.

 

I thought he did alright not great but should have been given the chance to get us out of League 1.

 

I was surprised to hear that Danny Mills on Radio 5 Live said that Pardew was the best man manager he had come across so Pardew does have a good reputation within the game.

 

A lot of sports pundits/jurnos thought he was doing well too a few managers (Danny Wilson, Phil Parkinson) also stated that they thought he'd done a good job. Now it could just be Pardew has a lot of mates out there in the press, but maybe people who have worked in (or around) football might actually rate him as a good manager. A lot of people have said Pardew couldn't do a bad job with the resources at hand so this should be the same for Nigel too.

[georgeweahscousin]

Now it could just be Pardew has a lot of mates out there in the press

 

I can tell you categorically that, that is not the case. He is actually very unpopular among the media. Mainly due to an inflated self opinion.

 

The bloke did a good job here as far as I'm concerned, but he is the past. Move on.

[Legod Third Coming]

Seems a bit of a turnaround to me, perhaps coming as a result of us failing to beat Yeovil.

 

But as you are so ready to expound the prowess of Pardew, let's for the sake of balance examine his record of last season against some similarly lowly teams, shall we?

 

How about our loss to Brighton 3-1 at home?

Our loss to Colchester 2-1 away?

Away draws, 1-1 against Brentford and Exeter?

The away draw 0-0 against Wycombe Wanderers?

The defeat 2-1 away against Tranmere?

Beaten at home 1-0 by Swindon (second defeat by them last season)

The home draw against Oldham?

The away defeat by Gillingham 2-1?

 

So would Pardew have gained us the win against Yeovil last night? Who knows? But Adkins was correct in his appraisal, that had we kept possession by playing to our strengths with a neat passing game, instead of hoofing the ball upfield (something that unfortunately characterised Pardew's teams), then we might have kept the three points and not given away the penalty.

 

Nobody can say with any degree of certainty that Pardew would have fared any better than Wilkins, let alone Adkins, so I do wish that people would stop claiming that he would have. As for the Bristol Rovers result, one goal was scored by Lallana before he was injured in that same game and Lambert had a penalty, which even as off form as he is currently, he was unlikely to miss. Barnard also scored. Much of this criticism stems from the situation that results have been harder to come by because Lallana was injured since then, Barnard missed 4 games through suspension, Lambert still isn't back in form and that there have been other distractions both off and on the pitch to unsettle the team.

 

Most of that is behind us and if Adkins can get us playing more attractive passing football, I have faith in his ability to turn it all around, with plenty of time still remaining.

 

I think you could pick any manager and find bad games - Chelsea lost to Wigan after all. But over the course of the season we had good enough form to be promoted. From October we had good enough form to come 2nd, easily.

 

The point is, Adkins has been set a target of promotion, and yet we are seeing no evidence that there has been any fundemental change. All the support he is receiving now is based on blind faith not evidence per se. That's fine. I support him too.

 

But those people who supported Pardew's removal need to demonstrate (and quickly) how Adkins approach has increased our chances of promotion. At the moment too many are being selective and talking about Pardew as though results were irrelevant. They weren't. We won a lot of football matches.

 

Had Pardew not beaten Yeovil he would have been slaughtered.

[OldNick]

 

Had Pardew not beaten Yeovil he would have been slaughtered.

it would have been with his squad though

[doddisalegend]

it would have been with his squad though

 

Are you suggesting nigel needs to re-build the team? these players were plenty good enough last season.

[Legod Third Coming]

Adkins big problem is to get rid of the ingrained Kelvin boots it up to Lambert, but mostly to the centre backs hoofball and narrow crap, favoured by Pardew. Getting rid of Pardew was the best bit of news since Markus Liebherr came as far as I am concerned. As for Nigel Adkins he has certainly over achieved in his last four seasons on 6k crowds.

 

Say what you like about the approach, we scored a lot of goals. More than just about anyone in the league. In our last six games we have now scored two goals...

 

"But Rickeeeee is off form..."

 

Yes, but last year we also had goals from all over as well. Lallana, Barnard, Papa, Antonio, Hammond...

[OldNick]

Say what you like about the approach, we scored a lot of goals. More than just about anyone in the league. In our last six games we have now scored two goals...

 

"But Rickeeeee is off form..."

 

Yes, but last year we also had goals from all over as well. Lallana, Barnard, Papa, Antonio, Hammond...

yep and 2 of those have not been replaced another not able to play 90 minutes

[OldNick]

Are you suggesting nigel needs to re-build the team? these players were plenty good enough last season.

 

again in genereal were good last season but we have lost 2 of our pacey unpredictable players and our main goalscorer is in a drought. You cannot rely on 1 man to get you 30 goals a season

[Smirking_Saint]

Say what you like about the approach, we scored a lot of goals. More than just about anyone in the league. In our last six games we have now scored two goals...

 

"But Rickeeeee is off form..."

 

Yes, but last year we also had goals from all over as well. Lallana, Barnard, Papa, Antonio, Hammond...

 

Thanks for pretty much destroying your own arguement LeGod

 

only 1 of the 5 players you have named has been able to play a regular part for one reason or another and he was hardly prolific from midfield last year.

[Saint Billy]

Say what you like about the approach, we scored a lot of goals. More than just about anyone in the league. In our last six games we have now scored two goals...

 

"But Rickeeeee is off form..."

 

Yes, but last year we also had goals from all over as well. Lallana, Barnard, Papa, Antonio, Hammond...

 

Yes but two of those you mention are no longer with us, one is injured and one is just back from injury, this has surely been a major obstacle.

 

Like you, I wished that Adkins had instant success but it was never going to happen. For some reason he has inherited a side that have mentally lost it and low on confidence especially Lambert and Punch. There is so many players out of form its unbelievable. Injuries to important players. He has to get the side to adapt to his style of playing rather than that of AP.

 

What does annoy me is the lack of activity in the loan market, for me you only have to watch a team once to know where their weaknesses are and where they need strengthening. This concerns me alot especially after all the hype about the supposed free for all of decent loan players, have we missed out on all of them?

[Legod Third Coming]

Thanks for pretty much destroying your own arguement LeGod

 

only 1 of the 5 players you have named has been able to play a regular part for one reason or another and he was hardly prolific from midfield last year.

 

Look, Pardew had those players playing and scoring. Would it have mattered who the players were? No.

In Pardew's last game we scored FOUR goals. Get it?

 

Oh, that's right. Eight minutes after that game Pardew went around and demoralised them and hence was fired. Fecking hell...

[Smirking_Saint]

Look, Pardew had those players playing and scoring. Would it have mattered who the players were? No.

In Pardew's last game we scored FOUR goals. Get it?

 

Oh, that's right. Eight minutes after that game Pardew went around and demoralised them and hence was fired. Fecking hell...

 

A ? You named a load of players saying they were free scoring last year in one arguement, now you are saying that Pardew had those players playing, so is it Adkins fault they are injured then ? And does it matter who the players are ?? Well.....yes, because we are missing goalscorers. Get it ?

 

As for the Brizzle result, it looks a bit of a freak one, considering the games leading up to it and after.

[Legod Third Coming]

A ? You named a load of players saying they were free scoring last year in one arguement, now you are saying that Pardew had those players playing, so is it Adkins fault they are injured then ? And does it matter who the players are ?? Well.....yes, because we are missing goalscorers. Get it ?

 

As for the Brizzle result, it looks a bit of a freak one, considering the games leading up to it and after.

 

Not necessarily - Pardew set his team up and played a certain way. That way earned a 4-0 win. Are you saying it is now impossible to win because we don't have players available who scored that day? It doesn't look a freak result to me. It looked like a smash and grab raid by Plymouth (not my words, those of Ian Darke - Pompey supporter) and that Leyton Orient could have been a similar scoreline had we not conceded a soft goal and their keeper had a great game, with Harding missing a bloody sitter to win it late on - it happens. The key thing is, what value has Adkins added so far and is there any evidence of the free-flowing football he espouses. So far, not to me - or certainly no different to the way the team played under Pardew. Does that mean it won't come, no. But if it doesn't come this Saturday, when will it??? I think the addition of Chaplow is a great start, so well done Nigel.

 

It is also totally disengenuous of people to proclaim that Pardew played hoofball. We didn't hoof the ball when we went to Norwich and outplayed them, or when we outplayed Huddersfield or any of a host of other excellent victories, including at Wembley. Did the players sometimes get frustrated and go long? Yes. It did my head in. But it also provided goals - both Lallana and Lambert scoring direct from Kelvin.

 

I intensely dislike and think it is insane for us to erase the memory of one of our most successful managers in my memory, especially when we have no idea how his replacement will ultimately perform. Tell you one thing though, if we don't beat Bournemouth you watch how many jump ship to this side of the 'anxiety' fence... I hope they have no need to!

[sadoldgit]

Lets see what Pardews next job in football is. With such a great win ratio and having done such a great job at Saints, it can't be long before a large Championship club comes calling, if not an under achieving lower Premiership team.If however he cant get a job and no decent club will touch him with a barge pole, what will that tell us?Will people still waffle on about his win ratio and how well he did?

 

Why not? he had a good record with us. People still remember Strachan kindly here. Not sure if Coventy or Middlebrough fans would agree though but that's football.

[OldNick]

Not necessarily - Pardew set his team up and played a certain way. That way earned a 4-0 win. Are you saying it is now impossible to win because we don't have players available who scored that day? It doesn't look a freak result to me. It looked like a smash and grab raid by Plymouth (not my words, those of Ian Darke - Pompey supporter) and that Leyton Orient could have been a similar scoreline had we not conceded a soft goal and their keeper had a great game, with Harding missing a bloody sitter to win it late on - it happens. The key thing is, what value has Adkins added so far and is there any evidence of the free-flowing football he espouses. So far, not to me - or certainly no different to the way the team played under Pardew. Does that mean it won't come, no. But if it doesn't come this Saturday, when will it??? I think the addition of Chaplow is a great start, so well done Nigel.

 

It is also totally disengenuous of people to proclaim that Pardew played hoofball. We didn't hoof the ball when we went to Norwich and outplayed them, or when we outplayed Huddersfield or any of a host of other excellent victories, including at Wembley. Did the players sometimes get frustrated and go long? Yes. It did my head in. But it also provided goals - both Lallana and Lambert scoring direct from Kelvin.

 

I intensely dislike and think it is insane for us to erase the memory of one of our most successful managers in my memory, especially when we have no idea how his replacement will ultimately perform. Tell you one thing though, if we don't beat Bournemouth you watch how many jump ship to this side of the 'anxiety' fence... I hope they have no need to!

 

LeGod I for 1 am not trying to decry what AP did but point out the unfair comparison that was put forward about results. IMO the squad is not as strong as last season and I dont think anyone can say the squad without Antonio and Papa is as good.

Well done AP another nearly man