Not under Pardew!

[Legod Third Coming]

not really, look at it in the context of things. On first look it's a poor result, but if you look at where we are in the season, how long the manager has had in charge and the fact that we are slowly improving then i'd say it's more acceptable than a 0-0 at Wycombe at the back end of the season, when we 100% needed a win and the manager had been here for half a year.

 

As people have said, if these results were swapped round (Wednesday 1 -1 Southampton) (Yeovil 0 - 1 Southampton) i think the reactions would be totally different. A win on Saturday, and then the following Saturday and it's 10 points from a possible 12 avaliable. That's auto form, but we need to prove we can do it and keep doing it. Still going to be tough.

 

You're making excuses for a bad result. If...

 

If we had won tonight we would have drastically improved our chances of winning on Saturday. Wednesday are in a slump. Tonight's result is not good enough. Why does no one have the balls to say so any more?

[alpine_saint]

So if we'd kept pardew you'd be expecting promotion but getting rid of him means you'd accept less? Great logic there....

I think it makes perfect sense. I recognise (as did Cortese) that changing manager is disruptive. All I am saying is that maybe promotion wasnt on anyway, because we started the season so sh*t.

[swannymere]

Someone hasn't been taking their medication.

[WATERSIDEIFASAINT]

If we do not get these desperately needed players in ie striker,winger and central midfieldere this sesaon is over.Things will not turn around without a couple of additions and I can't believe NC can't see this.Ambitious!!!!! what a total joke.GET THESE PLAYERS IN BEFORE THIS SEASON IS A RIGHT OFF!!!

[alpine_saint]

Who are these want away players, hadnt heard about this?

Also, cant see how you can tell players are de motivated?

I think it is a narrow line between being on form and not quite, and Adkins to me looks like a good manager who will succeed given time.

 

I think he will too, but maybe its simply too late for this season.

 

I wonder if Fonte and Lambert specifically really want to be here still.

[S-Clarke]

You're making excuses for a bad result. If...

 

If we had won tonight we would have drastically improved our chances of winning on Saturday. Wednesday are in a slump. Tonight's result is not good enough. Why does no one have the balls to say so any more?

 

Tonight's result was not good enough, it was poor, but if you look at the bigger picture and what Adkins has inherited then he's got to slowly get us out of this slump.

 

He may not have really inherited the best squad in the league, some good players yes - but without a good pre-season they turn into injury prone pretty average l1 players.

[Legod Third Coming]

Double standards, no ... but the same thing ...yes. Therefore to make the ascertion that this just did not happen under Pardew is laughable.

 

We have already highlighted 3 defeats, and 1 draw (plus no doubt a few more) where Pardew fell woefully short of your own expectations (just like Adkins seems to also).

 

Who is the history denier really?

 

I did not deny Pardew had some poor results - we lost 7 games and drew 8 (albeit that includes Portsmouth).

When Pardew lost or drew these games people crucified him. But Adkins is above reproach?

Seriously, where is the criticism - positive or kneee jerk?

We're going to sit back and think this is it are we? With our million pound forward and centre back? This is as good as it gets?

[CanadaSaint]

You're making excuses for a bad result. If...

 

If we had won tonight we would have drastically improved our chances of winning on Saturday. Wednesday are in a slump. Tonight's result is not good enough. Why does no one have the balls to say so any more?

 

No, it's not good enough, and I don't think anyone is pretending it is.

 

The problem LTC is that you're using this to make a Pardew vs Adkins point that is both untimely and unwarranted.

 

And before you get carried away with the "It's only Yeovil, FFS" angle, don't forget that we would have drawn there last year as well were it not for a late, late winner. And that was in April when Pardew had an established and stable squad that had been playing for him for weeks. With "impact" subs on the bench.

 

I've normally got a lot of time for you posts but this one is crap IMO.

[Saint Charlie]

4 points from 2 tricky away games is fine - now win the 2 home games and its 5 unbeaten and 11 from 15 which is good. We are improving - only a penalty conceded from 3 games for a start.

[NickG]

I did not deny Pardew had some poor results - we lost 7 games and drew 8 (albeit that includes Portsmouth).

When Pardew lost or drew these games people crucified him. But Adkins is above reproach?

Seriously, where is the criticism - positive or kneee jerk?

We're going to sit back and think this is it are we? With our million pound forward and centre back? This is as good as it gets?

 

because he has been here 5 minutes, can't argue with his selections and seems to be making a start..lets see if results follow

[Jonnyboy]

I think we can still go up, just wish pards was still here. sob

[Legod Third Coming]

No, it's not good enough, and I don't think anyone is pretending it is.

 

The problem LTC is that you're using this to make a Pardew vs Adkins point that is both untimely and unwarranted.

 

And before you get carried away with the "It's only Yeovil, FFS" angle, don't forget that we would have drawn there last year as well were it not for a late, late winner. And that was in April when Pardew had an established and stable squad that had been playing for him for weeks. With "impact" subs on the bench.

 

I've normally got a lot of time for you posts but this one is crap IMO.

 

This is a false argument. Pardew got a better result but somehow it's less acceptable than today's result?

 

Seriously. I have nothing against Adkins, I hope he succeeds and will support him in every game I attend.

 

I won't accept that with our expensively assembled squad tonight's result is good enough. This is my point - it wasn't accceptable under Pardew, it's even less acceptable now that we have a superb squad.

 

It is not. Adkins must understand it is not. This is not S****horpe surviving on a shoe string. This is the REAL MADRID of League One having been held by Cagliari... watching the league disappear beyond reach.

 

Poor, very very poor. To say otherwise is just making excuses.

 

Sure, if we win the next two games this doesn't look so bad. And if Brighton win both of their next two games, we've achieved nothing.

[alpine_saint]

This is a false argument. Pardew got a better result but somehow it's less acceptable than today's result?

 

Seriously. I have nothing against Adkins, I hope he succeeds and will support him in every game I attend.

 

I won't accept that with our expensively assembled squad tonight's result is good enough. This is my point - it wasn't accceptable under Pardew, it's even less acceptable now that we have a superb squad.

 

It is not. Adkins must understand it is not. This is not S****horpe surviving on a shoe string. This is the REAL MADRID of League One having been held by Cagliari... watching the league disappear beyond reach.

 

Poor, very very poor. To say otherwise is just making excuses.

 

Sure, if we win the next two games this doesn't look so bad. And if Brighton win both of their next two games, we've achieved nothing.

 

Surely one is Spanish and one is Italian ?

[Legod Third Coming]

because he has been here 5 minutes, can't argue with his selections and seems to be making a start..lets see if results follow

 

You can't argue with not playing Holmes, a man who almost single-handedly turned the game around against Colchester... While you're waiting for results, we're destined to be here for another year. When do we start to demand results Nick? What needs to change? What will time do that could not be done in the past three weeks?

[Legod Third Coming]

Surely one is Spanish and one is Italian ?

 

Exactly, that's how bad this result is!!!!

[buctootim]

Exactly, that's how bad this result is!!!!

 

Thats how bad your theory is

[Saint Charlie]

You can't argue with not playing Holmes, a man who almost single-handedly turned the game around against Colchester... While you're waiting for results, we're destined to be here for another year. When do we start to demand results Nick? What needs to change? What will time do that could not be done in the past three weeks?

 

Holmes is not that good. Subs made sense tonight and Guly nearly won it for us. Hit the post and bar, could easily have won. Man Utd drew with Bolton on Sunday. We wont win every game but have stopped losing. Two home games now so lets get behind the team and win both!

[S-Clarke]

I'm sure Holmes has developed into twice the player he actually is, just by sitting in the injury room.

[Legod Third Coming]

I'm sure Holmes has developed into twice the player he actually is, just by sitting in the injury room.

 

Hang on be fair. Did you see him against Colchester? Why would you not pick him in the following game over Puncheon who looks woefully low on confidence?

Or are we no longer allowed to ask any tactical questions of our manager?

[S-Clarke]

I saw him against Colchester, and i thought Dicko was equally as good - and he'd be worth a start as much as Holmes.

[Legod Third Coming]

I saw him against Colchester, and i thought Dicko was equally as good - and he'd be worth a start as much as Holmes.

 

I agree - they looked the better left side by far...

[PokingFun]

This thread is pathetic really. Pardew was a good manager, I think most people tend to agree that is the case but nonetheless we have had a poor start for whatever reasons.

 

Nigel Adkins has had 4 games in charge and we have been defeated only once in those four games and that was in the first game with zero preparation time. Also, bear in mind that NA has had three away games in that four, the first of which was against a team that had won 6 on the bounce at home. He has also had some injury and fitness issues for some key players as well which is difficult to contend with when the squad is a little bare compared to last season.

 

From 4 league games a mid-table team would expect to get 5 or so points so our form is mid-table right now based on 4 games and there are signs of improvement. You need to give the guy time to improve the team and he has already taken 5 points from 4 games which will be improved upon. The key thing for me is for NA to sort our home form out as 4 points from the last two away games is a decent return.

[CanadaSaint]

This is a false argument. Pardew got a better result but somehow it's less acceptable than today's result?

 

I'm trying to stop YOU from making a false argument. You're the one saying that the draw at Yeovil is unacceptable this year (after Adkins has been here five minutes and inherited a squad full of injuries) when one of the results you cited as a Pardew positive was a win at Yeovil in the third minute of injury time when he'd been here almost a full season and wasn't facing anything like the same challenges as Adkins.

 

It is not (acceptable). Adkins must understand it is not. This is not S****horpe surviving on a shoe string. This is the REAL MADRID of League One having been held by Cagliari... watching the league disappear beyond reach.

 

I didn't have you down as one of the hysterical over-staters but you've done that today. Adkins knows better than anyone that this form is unacceptable, and he knew the challenge when he took the job. He didn't come here to fail, and I don't think he will fail - and I'm not talking about the frigging Johnson's Paint Trophy.

 

Adkins also knows that there's a sh*tload of football left to play - in a very tight division.

 

LTC, you spent much of last season on here trying to convince people - with numbers and PPG averages - that we would be promoted but I don't remember you cutting loose on Pardew because we missed the playoffs.

 

Cut Adkins some of the same slack.

[Saint Charlie]

Hang on be fair. Did you see him against Colchester? Why would you not pick him in the following game over Puncheon who looks woefully low on confidence?

Or are we no longer allowed to ask any tactical questions of our manager?

 

He shouldn't be picked based on 15 mins good play. He is seen everyday in training and we won the following game anyway so whats the problem. Would you bring Holmes on over Lallana? Really? Today instead of Guly who scored and hit the post? That was a brave call by Adkins and Guly has obviously showed in training he deserves a go!

[sadoldgit]

Indeed, we should shut up about win ratios PDQ before SOGGY turns up and starts banging on about Georgio Burlinho.

 

Yeah, because things are so much better now. And if Pardew had been manager for the games since Rovers you would be going ballistic Alps.

[NickG]

Hang on be fair. Did you see him against Colchester? Why would you not pick him in the following game over Puncheon who looks woefully low on confidence?

Or are we no longer allowed to ask any tactical questions of our manager?

 

what for the away game at Sheff we won?

[PokingFun]

Its not remotely ridiculous.

 

Look at the squad the manager inherited.

 

And of all people, ask yourself, how long should be need to have us beating Yeovil....

 

OK, let me ask you a question ..... did you expect us to win away at Sheffield Wednesday? If not, then one can assume you would have been happy with 4 points over two games! Well, thats what we have got.

[PokingFun]

Yep. Wycombe 0-0 for me was the lowest point of the season. I knew then Pardew was taking us nowhere.

 

Extremely unfair on Pardew in my opinion. His record for us was excellent and who knows how he might have done had he not been sacked but going back on topic there is no reason yet for anyone to criticise NA. He has taken 5 points from last three games, 2 were away, we have conceded only 1 goal and I am confident the goals will come with confidence of winning.

[Legod Third Coming]

OK, let me ask you a question ..... did you expect us to win away at Sheffield Wednesday? If not, then one can assume you would have been happy with 4 points over two games! Well, thats what we have got.

 

Yes, I exected us to win. Do you follow this league? Wednesday are in the mother of all slumps!

[lordswoodsaints]

As predicted....it's all going to end in tears.

[PokingFun]

You can't argue with not playing Holmes, a man who almost single-handedly turned the game around against Colchester... While you're waiting for results, we're destined to be here for another year. When do we start to demand results Nick? What needs to change? What will time do that could not be done in the past three weeks?

 

He stuck with the same team that won away versus Sheff Wed though ..... your logic is flawed here. Why would he change the team after a good win?

 

Holmes was decent against Colchester but maybe he is simply not fit enough to do 90 mins right now having been injured for so long last year ....

[Legod Third Coming]

I'm trying to stop YOU from making a false argument. You're the one saying that the draw at Yeovil is unacceptable this year (after Adkins has been here five minutes and inherited a squad full of injuries) when one of the results you cited as a Pardew positive was a win at Yeovil in the third minute of injury time when he'd been here almost a full season and wasn't facing anything like the same challenges as Adkins.

 

 

 

I didn't have you down as one of the hysterical over-staters but you've done that today. Adkins knows better than anyone that this form is unacceptable, and he knew the challenge when he took the job. He didn't come here to fail, and I don't think he will fail - and I'm not talking about the frigging Johnson's Paint Trophy.

 

Adkins also knows that there's a sh*tload of football left to play - in a very tight division.

 

LTC, you spent much of last season on here trying to convince people - with numbers and PPG averages - that we would be promoted but I don't remember you cutting loose on Pardew because we missed the playoffs.

 

Cut Adkins some of the same slack.

 

Hang on. I thought we had every chance of promotion. The reason I didn't cut loose on Pardew was that only one team in history has ever been deducted points and gone on to achieve promotion. Without the deduction we would have finished second/third (arguably we lost a couple of games when our chance had gone that we might otherwise have won). We had automatic promotion form from October. On all available evidence, impartial observers would tell you Pardew did a very good job. So why would I have had a go at him?

 

I am not cutting Adkins slack because this team/squad is too good for tonight's result. Am I calling for him to be sacked? No. Am I questioning tonight's result? Of course.

 

When does tonight's result become unacceptable under a new manager?

[John Smith]

Look, basically Legor Third Coming is stating that Pardew wasn't good enough to get us promoted and HE believed in him. Now we have Adkins and Legod is panicking because HE doesn't think he's good enough to get us promoted. HE believes that we all persecuted Pardew last season, and that we should therefore all feel the same as HE does about Adkins and persecute him also. However, we don't and Legod is frustrated with , er, um, er nope, is it us or Cortese, or is it the Janitor? Who knows? If it's any help to you Legod, Pardew did ok. Adkins will do fine also. Cortese likes you, he told me so

[PokingFun]

Yes, I exected us to win. Do you follow this league? Wednesday are in the mother of all slumps!

 

Well, let me tell you that away teams on average only ever win 25% of their league games and 25% are draws so a mid-table team would expect to take 2 points from the last two games. Norwich won the league last year averaging 1.75 per game and we have 4 points from the last two which is excellent return on away form. I'm forgetting the MK Dons game as NA had no time to prepare or anything. Give the guy time, he has done nothing wrong so far in my opinion.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Adkins needs a few more games to turn things around. Seems to be moving in the right direction but last night was a hiccup for sure. A few loan signings would be nice to replace some of the plodders we are currently lumbered with.

[modern matron]

Same players, poorer results thus far.

 

Once Pardew had these players our results were:

 

October

WWWWWD

 

November

WWLDWW

 

December

WWWWLWL

 

January

WDWWDW

 

February

DWLWDW

 

March

WLWLWWW

 

April

DWWWWDW

 

May

LW

 

Now tell me, honestly, shouldn't Adkins be getting better from these players?

 

To remind you, Pardew's REAL record despite what all these history deniers tell you, from October onwards was:

 

Played 42

Won 27

Drew 8

Lost 7

 

 

I know I posted similar but unless we win EVERY game it makes no odds wwith some on here!

 

As for AP he's seriously flawed! This is not the first time....

[lordswoodsaints]

If there is no money to be spent then pardews replacement should have been chosen for his ability to continue the good work without having to rebuild.

Basically Adkins should have just been able to step into pardews shoes,not get a new pair that fits him better....... If this is not the case then fookin spend some money and let the man do his job in his own shoes.

Tonights result is not acceptable whoever the manager is,we keep getting told that we have the best,most expensive squad in the league yet we fail to beat Yeovil and are struggling to even look like a convincing team against other lesser teams.

Ok we beat Sheffield Wednesday,the same Sheffield Wednesday who are doomed and look worse than us....not really an achievment is it?

[saintscottofthenortham]

LeGod Third Coming... F*CK OFF.

[modern matron]

Yes, I exected us to win. Do you follow this league? Wednesday are in the mother of all slumps!

 

Look Huddersfield lost to Rochdale, Peterborough lost to Notts Countyt and Bournemouth look unbeatable in 2nd! Oh and Brighton are struggling to win - late goals etc!

[CanadaSaint]

Hang on. I thought we had every chance of promotion. The reason I didn't cut loose on Pardew was that only one team in history has ever been deducted points and gone on to achieve promotion. Without the deduction we would have finished second/third (arguably we lost a couple of games when our chance had gone that we might otherwise have won). We had automatic promotion form from October. On all available evidence, impartial observers would tell you Pardew did a very good job. So why would I have had a go at him?

 

I am not cutting Adkins slack because this team/squad is too good for tonight's result. Am I calling for him to be sacked? No. Am I questioning tonight's result? Of course.

 

When does tonight's result become unacceptable under a new manager?

 

LTC, that's precisely my point - and that of most other posters.

 

On your own admission you cut AP slack even though you voiced your expectation of promotion almost all season long last year, and you cut him that slack because he started off at -10.

 

On your own admission you're not cutting Adkins slack "because this team/squad is too good for tonight's result", and you're denying him that slack even though he just arrived and has an injury-hit squad.

 

Tonight's result is not acceptable to anybody that I've seen, but the vast majority of us feel that your Pardew v Adkins point is premature and unfair. I think it's also inconsistent with your past attitudes.

 

Well just have to differ, I guess.

[Legod Third Coming]

LeGod Third Coming... F*CK OFF.

 

And people wonder why this country lost its Empire...

[Legod Third Coming]

Look Huddersfield lost to Rochdale, Peterborough lost to Notts Countyt and Bournemouth look unbeatable in 2nd! Oh and Brighton are struggling to win - late goals etc!

 

Other people's failings should not be used to mask our own...

[saintscottofthenortham]

Pardew would have gone to Hillsborough playing 4-5-1 hoofball to Lambert, it would have failed miserably from the first minute to the last, and he wouldn't have changed it if his life depended on it.

 

I enjoyed the results, but to be honest I was so bored of watching hoofball. What I have seen thus far under Adkins, I am impressed. To be questioning a manager after two weeks in the job, after inheriting a squad who's confidence was shot to bits and with their no.1 forward far from 100% and the teams most creative, arguably most dangerous player, lallana, out injured... add to that the fact that Barnard was suspended and the fact that the squad was hardly full of depth... to me this all adds up to the conclusion you are a penis.

[buctootim]

LeGod Third Coming... F*CK OFF.

 

And people wonder why this country lost its Empire...

 

Originally Posted by Legod Third Coming

"don't offend me before finding out who I am. I own your arse - genuinely. Watch your back son.."

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25465-The-reason-this-board-has-gone-downhill&p=860226#post860226

Edited 28 September, 2010 by buctootim

[Legod Third Coming]

Originally Posted by Legod Third Coming

don't offend me before finding out who I am. I own your arse - genuinely. Watch your back son..

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25465-The-reason-this-board-has-gone-downhill&p=860226#post860226

 

I know humour is wasted on some of our posters...

[Legod Third Coming]

Pardew would have gone to Hillsborough playing 4-5-1 hoofball to Lambert, it would have failed miserably from the first minute to the last, and he wouldn't have changed it if his life depended on it.

 

I enjoyed the results, but to be honest I was so bored of watching hoofball. What I have seen thus far under Adkins, I am impressed. To be questioning a manager after two weeks in the job, after inheriting a squad who's confidence was shot to bits and with their no.1 forward far from 100% and the teams most creative, arguably most dangerous player, lallana, out injured... add to that the fact that Barnard was suspended and the fact that the squad was hardly full of depth... to me this all adds up to the conclusion you are a penis.

 

Credible argument - nice use of anatomical phraseology. Are you the team doctor?

[saintscottofthenortham]

Originally Posted by Legod Third Coming

"don't offend me before finding out who I am. I own your arse - genuinely. Watch your back son.."

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25465-The-reason-this-board-has-gone-downhill&p=860226#post860226

 

:lol::lol:

[buctootim]

F*CK OFF. Don't waste it now

[shurlock]

Tonight was exactly the kind of game we would have drawn under pardew -a tight game away from home where we eke out a lead against a team we should be beating. Actually the reason we drew the game -our inability to keep the ball when we went 1up- has pardew's legacy all over it. The quicker we change it, as adkins said in the post-match interview, the more likely we'll hold onto these games.

Edited 28 September, 2010 by shurlock

[CanadaSaint]

Pardew would have gone to Hillsborough playing 4-5-1 hoofball to Lambert, it would have failed miserably from the first minute to the last, and he wouldn't have changed it if his life depended on it.

 

I enjoyed the results, but to be honest I was so bored of watching hoofball. What I have seen thus far under Adkins, I am impressed. To be questioning a manager after two weeks in the job, after inheriting a squad who's confidence was shot to bits and with their no.1 forward far from 100% and the teams most creative, arguably most dangerous player, lallana, out injured... add to that the fact that Barnard was suspended and the fact that the squad was hardly full of depth... to me this all adds up to the conclusion you are a penis.

 

Well, it could be argued that you're acting like a bit of a vagina, so why don't you and LTC get together and make up?