Not under Pardew!

[Legod Third Coming]

Same players, poorer results thus far.

 

Once Pardew had these players our results were:

 

October

WWWWWD

 

November

WWLDWW

 

December

WWWWLWL

 

January

WDWWDW

 

February

DWLWDW

 

March

WLWLWWW

 

April

DWWWWDW

 

May

LW

 

Now tell me, honestly, shouldn't Adkins be getting better from these players?

 

To remind you, Pardew's REAL record despite what all these history deniers tell you, from October onwards was:

 

Played 42

Won 27

Drew 8

Lost 7

[Legod Third Coming]

That's a win ratio of over 62% by the way. That's outstanding....

[S-Clarke]

Does it matter now? nope.

 

forget him and move on, bringing threads up on pardew isn't going to help anyone.

 

and p.s - how long has adkins been in charge? how long did it take pardew to get his first win?

 

exactly.

[trousers]

It's not October yet. (or am I missing something obvious?)

[Legod Third Coming]

Does it matter now? nope.

 

forget him and move on, bringing threads up on pardew isn't going to help anyone.

 

and p.s - how long has adkins been in charge? how long did it take pardew to get his first win?

 

exactly.

 

It's never too early to question a manager's results with the same raw material. Pardew inherited Lloyd James and Ollie Lancsahire not Fonte, Puncheon, Lambert, Barnard...

[revolution saint]

That's a win ratio of over 62% by the way. That's outstanding....

 

Under pardew defeat against MK Dons wouldn't have been acceptable, a home draw against colchester wouldn't and neither would a draw against Yeovil. It shouldn't be acceptable under Adkins either.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's not October yet. (or am I missing something obvious?)

 

Yes, Adkins inherited a far better team. The team that Pardew had pretty much assembled by October.

[Legod Third Coming]

There's a new group called history deniers??!! Brilliant

 

Will we get this thread every time we don't win?

 

Whose team is this if not pardews? Whose was the poor start and worse preparation?

 

Pardew failed to get us up, now we will see if Adkins can do better. I'm willing to bet he can. But either way I hope the over the top mentalist stuff on here doesn't stop any time soon.

 

Pardew's record was outstanding. Current results cannot be laid at his door. It's Pardew's team that Pardew was getting far better from. Why?

[Smirking_Saint]

Yup, and Pardew didn't have to deal with his best players missing the start of the season, the death of the owner, players off of form and perhaps some sort of incident if reports are to be believed.

 

These are Pardews players, still more or less playing Pardews system, you can't judge Adkins yet. Pardew hardly came out of the blocks sprinting did he ?

 

Most importantly, Pardews in the past so get over it.

[maysie]

Pardew would have struggled with lallana injured. Adkins has had 4 games to turn a confidence wrecked team around.

 

Stupid comparison in my opinion, akin with comparing Ian Huntley to Sooty

[Legod Third Coming]

Under pardew defeat against MK Dons wouldn't have been acceptable, a home draw against colchester wouldn't and neither would a draw against Yeovil. It shouldn't be acceptable under Adkins either.

 

Thank you. I'm all for supporting a manager but what does he need to get this right?? No need for players to gel. No new players needed...

[latter day saint]

Yes, Adkins inherited a far better team. The team that Pardew had pretty much assembled by October.

and look what he did to them over the summer. or isn't the seemingly poor preseason & start down to Pardew?

[S-Clarke]

Well he wasn't getting the best from it during pre-season or at the start of the season was he?

 

Silly debate really, too early to question anything Adkins is doing.

 

We are unbeaten, but auto promotion is slipping away, but i don't believe our general form is down to Adkins. It's been with us since pre-season.

[trousers]

Yes, Adkins inherited a far better team. The team that Pardew had pretty much assembled by October.

 

But Pardew had been at the helm for over two months by October. Ok, I accept that his 'final' team wasn't in place until then but Pardew had a lot more time with the majority of the team in that 2+ months than Atkins has had thus far. Swings and roundabouts?

[Legod Third Coming]

Pardew would have struggled with lallana injured. Adkins has had 4 games to turn a confidence wrecked team around.

 

Stupid comparison in my opinion, akin with comparing Ian Huntley to Sooty

 

Wrecked confidence??? Slept through the Bristol Rovers game did we...

 

Season 20% over. New manager has the BEST squad in the league in a RESULTS business. And they ain't good enough. Time for a text from the Chairman to say so...

[Legod Third Coming]

Depends on the context unless you're an idiot. Are you an idiot? I'm not sure anymore.

 

Pardew didn't win enough, pretty simple.

 

But judging a manager after a couple of weeks when he's taking over a team on zero confidence? Well, even on here I expected slightly more intelligence. Not a lot, just a tiny bit. So much anger instead. Guess anger usually overrides intelligence sadly.

 

For shame.

 

Didn't win enough? Check the facts. Best win ratio since Lawrie...

[View From The Top]

Pardew has gone. Get over it and move on with your life before you turn into a ex-manager obsessed oddball as that position is already taken by dalek.

[NorthamSteve]

Oh please. Just stop posting on this thread then it will disappear off the first page.

[maysie]

Wrecked confidence??? Slept through the Bristol Rovers game did we...

 

Season 20% over. New manager has the BEST squad in the league in a RESULTS business. And they ain't good enough. Time for a text from the Chairman to say so...

 

Nope but went to Swindon and Rochdale at home and for whatever reason (we won't know if it was JUST losing the manger or the lead UP to it), the players looked drained of confidence.

[surrey1saint]

What does it *ucking matter,Pardew has gone,get over it!

[alpine_saint]

This thread is truly ridiculous, LGTC, and you know it.

 

How bad were we for Pardew's first 4 games compared to NA ?

 

How much support did Pardew get in strengthening the team compared to what NA is getting ?

 

I aint too chuffed at how we are doing, but apart from the Bristol Rovers game, Pardew was doing pretty f**king sh*t this season after having a pre-season to prepare.

[smithy]

Ffs

[Legod Third Coming]

But Pardew had been at the helm for over two months by October. Ok, I accept that his 'final' team wasn't in place until then but Pardew had a lot more time with the majority of the team in that 2+ months than Atkins has had thus far. Swings and roundabouts.

 

True... but how long did Ancelotti need to have Chelsea winning? Two months? No chance. He was winning within a game or two.

That's the standard we should be judging on. We have the most expensively assembled squad in the league by miles.

[revolution saint]

Pardew would have struggled with lallana injured. Adkins has had 4 games to turn a confidence wrecked team around.

 

Stupid comparison in my opinion, akin with comparing Ian Huntley to Sooty

 

Comparing one manager in the same division with another? yeah that's crazy talk for sure......come on at the start of the season we were dead certs to go up and we all believed it. I still believe we have the squad to do it - they showed that last season. So what's changed? getting rid of the manager would explain it but keep your head in the sand if you must....

[CanadaSaint]

It's not that Adkins isn't getting a lot from Pardew's team - it's also the case that Pardew wasn't getting much from Pardew's team, results-wise, before he left (season and pre-season). A number of players hadn't found their last season's form, including the most crucial one - Ricky.

 

Adkins isn't just going to stroll in here and get the players to adopt a different system and a different psyche overnight.

 

That'll take some time and I don't expect us to really hit stride until late-October/early-November.

 

Yes, we'll have ground to recover but the thing in our favour is that this is - and will probably remain - a very tight division this year.

[NickG]

I've got a cunning plan, lets sack our manager?

 

Only a total idiot would judge so soon

[S-Clarke]

This thread is truly ridiculous, LGTC, and you know it.

 

How bad were we for Pardew's first 4 games compared to NA ?

 

How much support did Pardew get in strengthening the team compared to what NA is getting ?

 

I aint too chuffed at how we are doing, but apart from the Bristol Rovers game, Pardew was doing pretty f**king sh*t this season after having a pre-season to prepare.

 

tbh it's looking more and more likely that the pre-season preparation was not good enough, and you'd have to put that at Pardews door.

[Legod Third Coming]

This thread is truly ridiculous, LGTC, and you know it.

 

How bad were we for Pardew's first 4 games compared to NA ?

 

How much support did Pardew get in strengthening the team compared to what NA is getting ?

 

I aint too chuffed at how we are doing, but apart from the Bristol Rovers game, Pardew was doing pretty f**king sh*t this season after having a pre-season to prepare.

 

Its not remotely ridiculous.

 

Look at the squad the manager inherited.

 

And of all people, ask yourself, how long should be need to have us beating Yeovil....

[thefuriousb]

2 of the defeats were against Gillingham & Tranmere - both of who were in the relegation battle all last season.

 

Also lost at home to Brighton - who at the time had just sacked a manager due to a run of poor results.

 

So that is nearly 50% of the games lost under Pardew that were against sides that, according to your expectations, we should not just have won, but probably ****ed.

 

So you could argue that he did not prepare the side properly when it came to lesser opposition, merely expecting 3 points than earning them. And showed a lack of ability to change things when the game was not going to plan.

[S-Clarke]

Go on then, Adkins out.

[revolution saint]

This thread is truly ridiculous, LGTC, and you know it.

 

How bad were we for Pardew's first 4 games compared to NA ?

 

How much support did Pardew get in strengthening the team compared to what NA is getting ?

 

I aint too chuffed at how we are doing, but apart from the Bristol Rovers game, Pardew was doing pretty f**king sh*t this season after having a pre-season to prepare.

 

No, there are no excuses this season.

[John Smith]

Same players, poorer results thus far.

 

Once Pardew had these players our results were:

 

October

WWWWWD

 

November

WWLDWW

 

December

WWWWLWL

 

January

WDWWDW

 

February

DWLWDW

 

March

WLWLWWW

 

April

DWWWWDW

 

May

LW

 

Now tell me, honestly, shouldn't Adkins be getting better from these players?

 

To remind you, Pardew's REAL record despite what all these history deniers tell you, from October onwards was:

 

Played 42

Won 27

Drew 8

Lost 7

 

Yep, he had it all going for him and he threw it all away, I agree, he is a kn*b!

[David Strover]

I suspect if we'd have been 4-2 down at Leeds tonight and come back to win 6-4 several posters would have come on here and moaned about the fact we let four goals in. I also notice the promotion is apparently 'over' for us....oh well time to do something else with my weekends as it's pointless wondering how Saints get on.

 

Thank feck I'm off to Canada Saturday.

[maysie]

Comparing one manager in the same division with another? yeah that's crazy talk for sure......come on at the start of the season we were dead certs to go up and we all believed it. I still believe we have the squad to do it - they showed that last season. So what's changed? getting rid of the manager would explain it but keep your head in the sand if you must....

 

No... comparing after 4 games is crazy! He has came in at a difficult time. I feel sorry for this guy he is on a hiding to nothing

[alpine_saint]

2 of the defeats were against Gillingham & Tranmere - both of who were in the relegation battle all last season.

 

Also lost at home to Brighton - who at the time had just sacked a manager due to a run of poor results.

 

So that is nearly 50% of the games lost under Pardew that were against sides that, according to your expectations, we should not just have won, but probably ****ed.

 

So you could argue that he did not prepare the side properly when it came to lesser opposition, merely expecting 3 points than earning them. And showed a lack of ability to change things when the game was not going to plan.

 

Yep. Wycombe 0-0 for me was the lowest point of the season. I knew then Pardew was taking us nowhere.

[Smirking_Saint]

FFS

 

Win ratio bullsh*t again

[Legod Third Coming]

I've got a cunning plan, lets sack our manager?

 

Only a total idiot would judge so soon

 

Who's talking about sacking him?

I'm talking about setting CHELSEA standards.

 

Do you know how much Yeovil's team cost? Less than the laptop I'm using to type this...

 

Why do you accept defeat and failure so readily? Do you think Cortese does????

[S-Clarke]

Who's talking about sacking him?

I'm talking about setting CHELSEA standards.

 

Do you know how much Yeovil's team cost? Less than the laptop I'm using to type this...

 

Why do you accept defeat and failure so readily? Do you think Cortese does????

 

we haven't lost.

 

and i still think this post is totally ridiculous and driven from a knee-jerk reaction.

[alpine_saint]

No, there are no excuses this season.

 

Sorry, all bets are off on that one. The manager changed. Pardew had no excuses, and indicated in his first 4 games he wasnt up to it, Adkins has a weaker squad than Pardew had AND he has got to re-motivate some pretty listless players, it seems.

[Legod Third Coming]

Yep. Wycombe 0-0 for me was the lowest point of the season. I knew then Pardew was taking us nowhere.

 

But 1-1 at Yeovil is acceptable? Double standards.

[alpine_saint]

FFS

 

Win ratio bullsh*t again

 

Indeed, we should shut up about win ratios PDQ before SOGGY turns up and starts banging on about Georgio Burlinho.

[alpine_saint]

But 1-1 at Yeovil is acceptable? Double standards.

 

Not at all.

 

Wycombe was in the middle of a pretty good run with a pretty well-stocked expensively assembled squad; he simply failed to get the team up for it.

 

Adkins is making do with what hes got, including what seems to be a couple of want-away players from an already weaker squad, and the team is down and demotivated currently.

[Legod Third Coming]

we haven't lost.

 

and i still think this post is totally ridiculous and driven from a knee-jerk reaction.

 

Not remotely. If I was paying the salaries of these players in this league, I would be asking serious questions tonight.

[S-Clarke]

But 1-1 at Yeovil is acceptable? Double standards.

 

not really, look at it in the context of things. On first look it's a poor result, but if you look at where we are in the season, how long the manager has had in charge and the fact that we are slowly improving then i'd say it's more acceptable than a 0-0 at Wycombe at the back end of the season, when we 100% needed a win and the manager had been here for half a year.

 

As people have said, if these results were swapped round (Wednesday 1 -1 Southampton) (Yeovil 0 - 1 Southampton) i think the reactions would be totally different. A win on Saturday, and then the following Saturday and it's 10 points from a possible 12 avaliable. That's auto form, but we need to prove we can do it and keep doing it. Still going to be tough.

[Legod Third Coming]

Not at all.

 

Wycombe was in the middle of a pretty good run with a pretty well-stocked expensively assembled squad; he simply failed to get the team up for it.

 

Adkins is making do with what hes got, including what seems to be a couple of want-away players from an already weaker squad, and the team is down and demotivated currently.

 

 

He has the same players all of whom have been given a 'clean slate'. Holmes played brilliantly against Colchester. Where was he tonight?

Why is Adkins above criticism but Pardew was the devil incarnate?? It makes NO SENSE.

[revolution saint]

Sorry, all bets are off on that one. The manager changed. Pardew had no excuses, and indicated in his first 4 games he wasnt up to it, Adkins has a weaker squad than Pardew had AND he has got to re-motivate some pretty listless players, it seems.

 

So if we'd kept pardew you'd be expecting promotion but getting rid of him means you'd accept less? Great logic there....

[NickG]

Who's talking about sacking him?

I'm talking about setting CHELSEA standards.

 

Do you know how much Yeovil's team cost? Less than the laptop I'm using to type this...

 

Why do you accept defeat and failure so readily? Do you think Cortese does????

 

1) we didn't lose

2) if we had I would be gutted as I am whenever we lose, but would accept it - there is no choice I wouldn't be able to change it

3) I don't think Cortese hired Adkins for our results in the following 3 games

[Smirking_Saint]

Who's talking about sacking him?

I'm talking about setting CHELSEA standards.

 

Do you know how much Yeovil's team cost? Less than the laptop I'm using to type this...

 

Why do you accept defeat and failure so readily? Do you think Cortese does????

 

Chelsea were not suffering from a sh*te pre-season, lack of planning, having 3-4 of their best players injured,unfit,suspended and as far as i am aware Ambramovich is very much still breathing.

 

So a bit different, also they had not lost the manager for whatever reason whether it was knee jerk or for some sort of incident will be damaging anyway you look at it.

 

Almost as rediculous as the win ratio arguement

[thefuriousb]

But 1-1 at Yeovil is acceptable? Double standards.

 

Double standards, no ... but the same thing ...yes. Therefore to make the ascertion that this just did not happen under Pardew is laughable.

 

We have already highlighted 3 defeats, and 1 draw (plus no doubt a few more) where Pardew fell woefully short of your own expectations (just like Adkins seems to also).

 

Who is the history denier really?

[croydonsaint]

Not at all.

 

Wycombe was in the middle of a pretty good run with a pretty well-stocked expensively assembled squad; he simply failed to get the team up for it.

 

Adkins is making do with what hes got, including what seems to be a couple of want-away players from an already weaker squad, and the team is down and demotivated currently.

 

Who are these want away players, hadnt heard about this?

Also, cant see how you can tell players are de motivated?

I think it is a narrow line between being on form and not quite, and Adkins to me looks like a good manager who will succeed given time.