How much would you be prepared to spend for a Saints Web subscription?

[The9]

I think a lot of people have to realise that there are economies of scale at play here - the site doesn't have thousands upon thousands of subscribers so there's no point in having an expensive server with a ton of failover options, and £5 per subscriber doesn't go that far in terms of servers anyway - plus neither of the "owners" are making much if anything out of the subscriptions anyway, and as far as I can tell, nor do they intend to.

 

As for the quality of posting, whose fault is that ?

[Baj]

I think a lot of people have to realise that there are economies of scale at play here - the site doesn't have thousands upon thousands of subscribers so there's no point in having an expensive server with a ton of failover options, and £5 per subscriber doesn't go that far in terms of servers anyway - plus neither of the "owners" are making much if anything out of the subscriptions anyway, and as far as I can tell, nor do they intend to.

 

As for the quality of posting, whose fault is that ?

 

To absolutely, doubly clarify a point here. Myself and Steve DO NOT MAKE A PENNY, WE SUBSCRIBE JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOU. In fact, we are generally out of pocket personally.

[The Mac Attack]

Like bad grammar and punctuation?

 

The above is not even slightly funny.

 

IMO why would anyone contemplate paying £30.00 for a site giving match updates. If this does go ahead I presume there will be a payment plan? I would expect nothing less considering the barrage of abuse that cortese got for not having one applicable to season tickets.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

A fiver is enough, your suggestion of £30 is ludicrous

[hasper57saint]

I'm only a 'Registered User' yet I made a donation (by cheque) far in excess of £5 as I don't want my card details passed out to the unscrupulous. I could kick up a fuss and demand 'Full Member' status but for what? Living as I do in the 'North' (well West of Birmingham) this site keeps me up-dated on most things 'Saints'. (The OS isn't so transparent as this Forum at times and always put forth the Official line). So rather than whinge, be thankful you have somewhere to air your grievances whether or not they are valid.

[Micky]

There are plenty of free options out there. You can drag your knuckles along the ground on the Ugly and 606 for starters. There's Plastic Saints and I think I'm registered on one called Saintsworld or similar.

 

Whilst many of you might not think you should have to pay to post here, the guys that run it have to pay costs for the servers and for the number of people that use this forum to donate a fiver a year is nothing.I don't post much, but I'm happy to help them with a measly fiver each year.

 

If you can't or won't spare a fiver, then really you either live by the constraints that free access here gives you, or you join the juveniles on the other free services. For all the whingers that moan about this site and its downtime, and the methods of moderation, well, even Facebook has downtime, and you have read the forum rules, so you shouldn't then moan about them if you come here.

 

Me, I'm with Throbber.

 

A fiver a year, a pint and a half, a bad fish supper, not even a packet of fags. When you put it in perspective, and realise that the guys running this (largely in their own time) are not making sh@g shyte, then it's very good value for money.

 

As a fan living outside of Southampton, this site is a god send to me - I'd pay more.

[Dr Who?]

Latest news...Pardew sacked....

 

match day threads crashing

Getting told off for starting to many threads

Less people posting threads

idiots getting pee'd off with each other

offensive people

People thinking they are better than other and opinion is worth more than theirs.

 

I will not be renewing as this site is going backwards and not forwards!

 

Bit like the team!

[cellone]

A fiver is affordable but £30 is surely a wind up.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I don't need the match threads and updates, because believe it or not I actually go to matches.

[KK the 2nd]

A fiver is fine .. might go to a tenner but probably no higher. Some limited advertising might propvide funds as long as it wasn't intrusive.

[St Marco]

Personally i think £5 for what it now is is quite expensive. Basically a website with 4-5 wanabe alpha males who can't handle anyone else having a different opinion to them. Add into that you got your pet trolls who are buddies with the site runners = **** forum.

 

Sure some of it might be down to the teams situation but if so how come it is only the same people who can't seem to revert from basically petty name calling and disrupting threads? How is it those people still did te same thing when we were doing well?

 

So after this sub runs out i won't be paying either. A lot of the admins are good guys who try their best. But i think theyare restricted in what they can and can't do.

[Verbal]

match day threads crashing

Getting told off for starting to many threads

Less people posting threads

idiots getting pee'd off with each other

offensive people

People thinking they are better than other and opinion is worth more than theirs.

 

I will not be renewing as this site is going backwards and not forwards!

 

Bit like the team!

 

Idiots and offensive people are the reason I enjoy reading the guff here - even if it is at the expense of knowing that the owners have secret bank accounts in the Bahamas and sun themselves every other week in Cap D'Antibes.

 

Actually, we could do with more idiots. I'd pay for that.

[Hatch]

 

Actually, we could do with more idiots. I'd pay for that.

 

 

hear hear

[Michelle]

Let us praise God. O Lord...

O Lord...

Ooh, You are so big...

So absolutely huge.

Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.

Forgive us, O Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying, and...

And barefaced flattery.

But You are so strong and, well, just so super.

Fantastic.

 

Amen.

 

Brilliant. Nice to see you're still about mate. :-D

[stmusicdude]

Check out www.footballforums.net

They have a few basic adverts, much higher traffic than this place and it has crashed once since I joined two years ago - and that was when Lampard "scored" V Germany.

They do that with little income. A large number of people on here paying a fiver a year should be more than enough to get this place running properly.

 

ROFL will be hard to take you seriously again after this post

[Saint Fan CaM]

I'll not be renewing @ £5 I think. In relation to the success of the club, I reckon I could live with 3 posts/day or even none if push came to shove.

[Chez]

I don't mind the fiver, but since we moved to the new server I find that it is very slow. I'm not talking about the database error that is often mentioned, but more that you start typing a repsonse and it then takes 30 seconds to catch up and actually start to appear in the quick reply box. Is this just me, my computer and I, or is it part of the server issue? Very, very frustrating.

[stevegrant]

I don't mind the fiver, but since we moved to the new server I find that it is very slow. I'm not talking about the database error that is often mentioned, but more that you start typing a repsonse and it then takes 30 seconds to catch up and actually start to appear in the quick reply box. Is this just me, my computer and I, or is it part of the server issue? Very, very frustrating.

I think I've narrowed this problem down to a browser issue. It seems to only happen in Internet Explorer, and particularly in older versions. Also, I have vague recollections that it was only an issue when you have a particular type of reply box visible, so perhaps try playing around with the settings in your control panel (right at the bottom under Miscellaneous Options)

[Saint_clark]

ROFL will be hard to take you seriously again after this post

 

Why, exactly? I was giving an example of a forum that ran perfectly without it's members paying, when this place charges a fiver and yet crashes regularly. Not sure what's so hilarious about that.

[Chez]

I think I've narrowed this problem down to a browser issue. It seems to only happen in Internet Explorer, and particularly in older versions. Also, I have vague recollections that it was only an issue when you have a particular type of reply box visible, so perhaps try playing around with the settings in your control panel (right at the bottom under Miscellaneous Options)

 

cheers. I will give that a try.

[Baj]

Check out www.footballforums.net

They have a few basic adverts,

Im guessing this is a joke?

 

The appeal to a wider audience, ie, all clubs, their ad revenue will be WAY WAY above our subscription costs, they can pretty much afford what they want.

[Joensuu]

There are two seperate things going on here.

 

From the Site Owner's perspective, assuming a maximum of 3000 subscriptions (I assume there are less in reality), means Baj and Steve have at most £15K to maintain a forum with. In IT terms that's peanuts. Hosting fee + Licencing (if any) + Apps support + Opps support, will swallow that budget, before any development or upgrades are factored in.

 

However, from the Customers perspective, £5 is a lot to stump up for seemingly not a lot. The £30 suggested by the OP, is simply not value for money.

 

Let's face it, Saintsweb isn't really financially viable, the owners simply can't sell the product at a price which will cover the costs. Saintsweb is only viable because of the non-charged support time provided by Baj. Without a £5 fee the site would be almost impossible to run. With the £5 fee the site is open to criticism as a business, providing services to its customers.

 

Do I think having more than 3 posts a day and the ability to start threads is worth a £5? No. Do I think having saintsweb at all is worth £5. Yes - its the only sensible place to get Saints news. I see my subscription more as a donation, and less as a fee.

[trousers]

There are two seperate things going on here.

 

From the Site Owner's perspective, assuming a maximum of 3000 subscriptions (I assume there are less in reality), means Baj and Steve have at most £15K to maintain a forum with. In IT terms that's peanuts. Hosting fee + Licencing (if any) + Apps support + Opps support, will swallow that budget, before any development or upgrades are factored in.

 

However, from the Customers perspective, £5 is a lot to stump up for seemingly not a lot. The £30 suggested by the OP, is simply not value for money.

 

Let's face it, Saintsweb isn't really financially viable, the owners simply can't sell the product at a price which will cover the costs. Saintsweb is only viable because of the non-charged support time provided by Baj. Without a £5 fee the site would be almost impossible to run. With the £5 fee the site is open to criticism as a business, providing services to its customers.

 

Do I think having more than 3 posts a day and the ability to start threads is worth a £5? No. Do I think having saintsweb at all is worth £5. Yes - its the only sensible place to get Saints news. I see my subscription more as a donation, and less as a fee.

 

Just a suggestion....probably best to start posts like this with a headline: SENSIBLE POST ALERT! otherwise those of us not sitting down are in danger of serious injury :-)

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't need the match threads and updates' date=' because believe it or not I actually go to matches.[/quote']

 

Then refrain from passing comment on performance if you don't mind.

[chrisobee]

Nothing as long as certain posters are allowed to hurl abuse, post racist/homophobic comments and are still allowed on here. Sort that out and make this a decent forum again I'll be happy to pay more than a fiver for sure. However, I'm not holding my breath.

[Arizona]

Nothing as long as certain posters are allowed to hurl abuse, post racist/homophobic comments and are still allowed on here. Sort that out and make this a decent forum again I'll be happy to pay more than a fiver for sure. However, I'm not holding my breath.

 

That underlines the problem. The posters who are in some opinions 'abusive, racist and homophobic' are the same that are championed as being 'interesting' and 'different' by others. Naturally blantant abuse is frowned upon, but then there is a massive grey area between that and a completely sterile environment.

[chrisobee]

That underlines the problem. The posters who are in some opinions 'abusive, racist and homophobic' are the same that are championed as being 'interesting' and 'different' by others. Naturally blantant abuse is frowned upon, but then there is a massive grey area between that and a completely sterile environment.

 

I don't totally disagree but I'm afraid blatant abuse is overlooked and it always seems to be the same people posting it. I'm afraid I'm not alone in thinking certain posters seem to be "above the law". Also you can be "interesting" and "different" and also amusing without dragging threads down into the gutter.

[Arizona]

I don't totally disagree but I'm afraid blatant abuse is overlooked and it always seems to be the same people posting it. I'm afraid I'm not alone in thinking certain posters seem to be "above the law". Also you can be "interesting" and "different" and also amusing without dragging threads down into the gutter.

 

Agree completely with this bit. Personally I'd never ignore anything I thought was racist, homophobic or otherwise inappropriate. With only half a dosen mods and several thousand posts a day, there's a fair bit that gets through the net however.

[Turkish]

I don't totally disagree but I'm afraid blatant abuse is overlooked and it always seems to be the same people posting it. I'm afraid I'm not alone in thinking certain posters seem to be "above the law". Also you can be "interesting" and "different" and also amusing without dragging threads down into the gutter.

 

and sadly for you, you are none of these.

[Toadhall Saint]

There are two seperate things going on here.

 

From the Site Owner's perspective, assuming a maximum of 3000 subscriptions (I assume there are less in reality), means Baj and Steve have at most £15K to maintain a forum with. In IT terms that's peanuts. Hosting fee + Licencing (if any) + Apps support + Opps support, will swallow that budget, before any development or upgrades are factored in.

 

However, from the Customers perspective, £5 is a lot to stump up for seemingly not a lot. The £30 suggested by the OP, is simply not value for money.

 

Let's face it, Saintsweb isn't really financially viable, the owners simply can't sell the product at a price which will cover the costs. Saintsweb is only viable because of the non-charged support time provided by Baj. Without a £5 fee the site would be almost impossible to run. With the £5 fee the site is open to criticism as a business, providing services to its customers.

 

Do I think having more than 3 posts a day and the ability to start threads is worth a £5? No. Do I think having saintsweb at all is worth £5. Yes - its the only sensible place to get Saints news. I see my subscription more as a donation, and less as a fee.

 

^^^^^ Just that.

[chrisobee]

and sadly for you, you are none of these.

 

Well for sure that makes two of us, difference is I don't resort to your abusive, bigoted remarks.

[Turkish]

Well for sure that makes two of us, difference is I don't resort to your abusive, bigoted remarks.

 

thats right, sweetheart, i am so boring and uninteresting you are desperate to see me banned.

[thornhill_saints]

Wouldnt pay a thing, dont anyway! never will do with the site crashing once 200 - 300 users logged on.

Surley they could install load balancing software or a cluster server? for even VM ware to have 2 servers running continuously then if it fails the other one would take over... simples.....

I have some disks for all the above ;-) if you need some professional help?

[chrisobee]

thats right, sweetheart, i am so boring and uninteresting you are desperate to see me banned.

 

I do want you banned but because you are racist, homophobic and abusive. If that makes you interesting then I'll stick to boring.

[Turkish]

I do want you banned but because you are racist, homophobic and abusive. If that makes you interesting then I'll stick to boring.

 

Where are my racists posts? Where are my homophobic posts? Or are you being a soft delicate easily offended little div? Dont make me sue you!

[rocknrollman no2]

I appreciate the efforts of all concerned who help run this board and i usually enjoy posting on here,or just reading what other people have written,good or bad.

But i think while the site keeps breaking down when more than three people post on here during matchdays is offputting and at the moment a fiver is just about right and as things are ,i would not want to pay anymore.

[eurosaint]

Some of you don't seem to see the irony of coming on to a fans forum and then complaining about the content, price etc..

If you don't like it, then don't visit the site !

If it's not worth a fiver, then don't pay it !

I see members with thousands of posts whingeing that nothing is right, why do you bother ?

My guess is that most would be devastated if the site folded but are more than happy to moan whilst it lives on .....

Nought so queer as folk IMHO !

[itchen]

I took a while to renew my £5 this year because I thought the board had been overwhelmed by moaners. I'm still not sure whether that was a good use of £5. But, as others have said, £5 is not even two pints of Swift One.

 

But I have another suggestion. How about charging per post? Just a nominal amount - say 1p? Under this scheme I'd owe about £7.93 while another poster (taken at random, of course) might owe £147.54. It might lead some of us to think a little more about whether the world really needs our opinion on absolutely every topic.

 

I may not be entirely serious.

Edited 30 September, 2010 by itchen

[scotty]

am I alone in not ever seeing these "site crashes"? I come on here regularly at various times, matchdays when Im in the shop, new manager appointed threads, pardew sacked thread etc etc, and I have yet to see the site crash.

 

and agrees/w all those above that point out the site cannot possibly be making any money for the people that run it, and I for one am grateful to them for bothering. SWF is a huge cut above the alternatives imho

[NY Saint]

Sadly nothing - the forum has lost any real sense of what Saintsforever used to be and I rarely check the board anymore. Matchdays I nip in to see what the banter is but suggesting we pay a similar fee to the Saintsplayer is a little obscene in my opinion.

[chrisobee]

Where are my racists posts? Where are my homophobic posts? Or are you being a soft delicate easily offended little div? Dont make me sue you!

 

It's Ok, I know you are protected on here though if you are too stupid to even realise when you post racist/homophobic remarks then I somehow doubt there is any point me referring to them even if I could be bothered. What I really want is a fairly moderated forum, it is clear and has been for a while that this forum is moving further away from that ideal and you don't need to be Einstein to realise who is responsible for that.

Anyway please go ahead and sue me, you know my name, you know the town I live in, finding me could hardly be easier !

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Have some of you been on the other Saints fan forums? They are absolutely dreadful, a fiver for this site is well worth it.

[Cowesboy]

I refuse to pay, this site isn't particular good.

[Turkish]

It's Ok, I know you are protected on here though if you are too stupid to even realise when you post racist/homophobic remarks then I somehow doubt there is any point me referring to them even if I could be bothered. What I really want is a fairly moderated forum, it is clear and has been for a while that this forum is moving further away from that ideal and you don't need to be Einstein to realise who is responsible for that.

Anyway please go ahead and sue me, you know my name, you know the town I live in, finding me could hardly be easier !

 

"Protected on here"? You really are mental. Yep, thats right i have nothing better to do with my time than take legal proceedings against someone i dont know, dont want to know and dont care about because they called me names on an internet forum. Clown.

Edited 1 October, 2010 by Turkish

[gordonToo]

50p per week.

[dune]

20 pounds (no pound sıgn on thıs bloody useless foreıgn keyboard). Anyone who moans about a fıver ıs just a tıght gıt. It,s peanuts.

[trousers]

Logistics aside, how about a 'pay as you go' system as the fairest solution?

 

e.g. 10p a post (first 3 posts each day are still free); bill settled monthly by DD

[Torres]

To absolutely, doubly clarify a point here. Myself and Steve DO NOT MAKE A PENNY, WE SUBSCRIBE JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOU. In fact, we are generally out of pocket personally.

 

Well I know for a FACT that Steve is in the process of buying an expensive **** pad in London - how did he afford that, huh? I'm calling the police and putting an end to this fraud.

[Arizona]

Well I know for a FACT that Steve is in the process of buying an expensive **** pad in London - how did he afford that, huh? I'm calling the police and putting an end to this fraud.

 

I assure you that Steve's affluent lifestyle is purely the result of his Gigolo service and nothing to do with Saints web.

[Joensuu]

Torres, I might be naive, but I can't find a swear word to fit between 'expensive' and 'pad', with only 4 letters. Everything I can think off changes the utility of this 'pad' quite extensively...

 

(oh, btw, I'm sure total saintsweb income would buy what, 10 sq foot of a 'pad' in the worst parts of London...)