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Chin Strain

Chin Strain

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Only really been posting for just over a year on here, i get that everyone saying about s4e etc but even this site had more banter and better threads then the lifeless shell we have now.

 

I can't even check in on matchdays without it crashing ffs.

 

'kin 'ell...with 6500 posts? Good work fella.....or no life....one of the two:p

Huntingdon

Huntingdon

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The muppet show was always sh*t. Whent it was banter central it was much better. The * for sensible threads was always the best idea, not separating the two.

 

I agree completely

 

I've always maintained that there's too many categories on here - Either a subject is Saints related or not

 

Just merge all the pointless forums like 'The Arts' and 'The Lounge' into a central banter forum & some life and humour will probably return

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I agree completely

 

I've always maintained that there's too many categories on here - Either a subject is Saints related or not

 

Just merge all the pointless forums like 'The Arts' and 'The Lounge' into a central banter forum & some life and humour will probably return

 

Yep. I remember when you had a whole page of unrelated news to enjoy as well as the saints related stuff. Now you are lucky to get more than about three new topics a day. Very dull and it's a shame that more people cannot start threads.

benjii

benjii

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The provocative but thought provoking posters get banned, along with the subversive comedians. They were what made this site worthwhile. Now we have provocative without insight and subversive without wit. Not a great combination

 

That's a great precis (with a small handful of exceptions).

benjii

benjii

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No it doesn't but I'm referring to the inconsistency here.

 

As for 'who' it was a poster called Scooby, who only disappeared a while back when hypochondriac and someone else revealed his true identity. As for 'where' I suggest searching for the terms "boot boy", "Lord Lowe" and "that insect Wilde". An obvious,consistent and provocative spammer who was allowed to post on here for what, 18 months?

End of the day I and many others on here it would appear, feel we've paid £5 for stricter moderation, a crackdown on debatable content, a widely condemned change of aesthetic appearance and a forum which on recent matchdays has been at best 'very slow' and at worst 'inaccessible'.

 

Like I've said I think the forum was superior when it was free.

 

That was mental moderation, absolutely mental.

benjii

benjii

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I agree completely

 

I've always maintained that there's too many categories on here - Either a subject is Saints related or not

 

Just merge all the pointless forums like 'The Arts' and 'The Lounge' into a central banter forum & some life and humour will probably return

 

Another good point.

 

I have loads of great, witty, non-offensive and hilarious material waiting to ejaculate forth all over Arts and Motoring threads but I really can't be bothered to look at those sub-sub-sub-forums.

stevegrant

stevegrant

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I can't even check in on matchdays without it crashing ffs.

Did you "check in" on Saturday? I can only assume you didn't, as it was fine before, during and after the game. We've been adjusting the server for every game this season to try and get the right combination to cope with the load - Saturday suggests we're certainly moving in the right direction. I think there were just under 700 online simultaneously at full-time, which is pretty busy (the biggest we've had was just over 1000 when we drew Pompey in the FA Cup, and usually we peak at about 800).

 

End of the day I and many others on here it would appear, feel we've paid £5 for stricter moderation, a crackdown on debatable content, a widely condemned change of aesthetic appearance and a forum which on recent matchdays has been at best 'very slow' and at worst 'inaccessible'.

In order:

 

1. "stricter moderation" - for every user who complains of stricter moderation, there is a user who complains of not enough moderation. We can't win.

2. "a crackdown on debatable content" - considering as the owners/admins/however you want to describe it, we would be equally as liable for any legal issues arising from defamatory comments made on the forum, I don't really understand why this is an issue. I am not prepared to have to fight a court action because someone believes they are above the law as they're posting on an internet message board.

3. "a widely condemned change of aesthetic appearance" - as I said at the time and, judging by the lack of comments in the last 2 months, it would seem I have been proven right, it was a case of getting used to the new look. When we first launched the new style, I actually counted the number of people who made negative comments - it was comfortably in double figures. Out of 3700 active users, I don't think that's too bad.

4. "a forum which on recent matchdays has been at best 'very slow' and at worst 'inaccessible'" - I refer you to my reply to Smirking_Saint above.

benjii

benjii

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I believe the term is "totally f*cking mental"

 

From a similar period, you also have to question whether the Walter Mitty M&A stars would have posted on here if they had needed to pay?

 

I'm not convinced they could have raised the £5 - so that's another load of fun we would have missed.

benjii

benjii

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Did you "check in" on Saturday? I can only assume you didn't, as it was fine before, during and after the game. We've been adjusting the server for every game this season to try and get the right combination to cope with the load - Saturday suggests we're certainly moving in the right direction. I think there were just under 700 online simultaneously at full-time, which is pretty busy (the biggest we've had was just over 1000 when we drew Pompey in the FA Cup, and usually we peak at about 800).

 

 

In order:

 

1. "stricter moderation" - for every user who complains of stricter moderation, there is a user who complains of not enough moderation. We can't win.

2. "a crackdown on debatable content" - considering as the owners/admins/however you want to describe it, we would be equally as liable for any legal issues arising from defamatory comments made on the forum, I don't really understand why this is an issue. I am not prepared to have to fight a court action because someone believes they are above the law as they're posting on an internet message board.

3. "a widely condemned change of aesthetic appearance" - as I said at the time and, judging by the lack of comments in the last 2 months, it would seem I have been proven right, it was a case of getting used to the new look. When we first launched the new style, I actually counted the number of people who made negative comments - it was comfortably in double figures. Out of 3700 active users, I don't think that's too bad.

4. "a forum which on recent matchdays has been at best 'very slow' and at worst 'inaccessible'" - I refer you to my reply to Smirking_Saint above.

 

Jolly good.

 

What about the points re the number of forums? The off-topic stuff used to be much better, for the reasons noted by various posters above. Are you going to change it back?

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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From a similar period, you also have to question whether the Walter Mitty M&A stars would have posted on here if they had needed to pay?

 

I'm not convinced they could have raised the £5 - so that's another load of fun we would have missed.

 

I'm pretty fed up with the paying thing to tell you the truth. I don't think I'm going to renew next year. I think the board should be inclusive rather than exclusive. It was much more interesting when that was the case (and I had golden balls so felt superior.)

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Jolly good.

 

What about the points re the number of forums? The off-topic stuff used to be much better, for the reasons noted by various posters above. Are you going to change it back?

 

Yeah I would really like that as well. Why do we have so many forums? All that does is lead to a load of sub forums which are barely used. Why not have them all in together and get a page of interesting info. This is more irritating on something like my mobile where I have to constantly load up the new page.

stevegrant

stevegrant

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Jolly good.

 

What about the points re the number of forums? The off-topic stuff used to be much better, for the reasons noted by various posters above. Are you going to change it back?

Personally I would rather have fewer forums as the off-topic forums then tend to be busier rather than have everything diluted, but I was very much in the minority among the admin team when this was last discussed. The overall feeling was to keep them separate (I don't make many decisions unilaterally on here, despite what many might think :lol:). We will have another discussion about it, though.

lenwilkins

lenwilkins

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Perhaps if it looked a bit better and the saints and non saints related topics were separated.

 

They are separated. You have a choice - you can view one or the other or both at the same time.

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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Did you "check in" on Saturday? I can only assume you didn't, as it was fine before, during and after the game. We've been adjusting the server for every game this season to try and get the right combination to cope with the load - Saturday suggests we're certainly moving in the right direction. I think there were just under 700 online simultaneously at full-time, which is pretty busy (the biggest we've had was just over 1000 when we drew Pompey in the FA Cup, and usually we peak at about 800).

 

 

In order:

 

1. "stricter moderation" - for every user who complains of stricter moderation, there is a user who complains of not enough moderation. We can't win.

2. "a crackdown on debatable content" - considering as the owners/admins/however you want to describe it, we would be equally as liable for any legal issues arising from defamatory comments made on the forum, I don't really understand why this is an issue. I am not prepared to have to fight a court action because someone believes they are above the law as they're posting on an internet message board.

3. "a widely condemned change of aesthetic appearance" - as I said at the time and, judging by the lack of comments in the last 2 months, it would seem I have been proven right, it was a case of getting used to the new look. When we first launched the new style, I actually counted the number of people who made negative comments - it was comfortably in double figures. Out of 3700 active users, I don't think that's too bad.

4. "a forum which on recent matchdays has been at best 'very slow' and at worst 'inaccessible'" - I refer you to my reply to Smirking_Saint above.

 

I did steve, briefly just after the game had finished when i got in, and i did get the database death screen, all be it for not very long so it is definately improving so far.

 

If the only real improvement we have had is the aesthetics then was it really worth it though ? Personally i don't mind the new look and actually prefer it, but if it has made the whole system unstable then i would say no.

 

We have also lost the arcade :(

 

I just think we should have a little bit more licence on here to add a bit of humour and banter without fear of an unquestionable infraction. It would also be nice if the guys that i paid £5 to would answer my PM's every now and again.

Deppo

Deppo

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When IT people run things, this is what happens. No personable skills, but brilliant at updating things. Interfaces rather than content. Just look at the defensive stance to criticism from paying customers.

benjii

benjii

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Personally I would rather have fewer forums as the off-topic forums then tend to be busier rather than have everything diluted, but I was very much in the minority among the admin team when this was last discussed. The overall feeling was to keep them separate (I don't make many decisions unilaterally on here, despite what many might think :lol:). We will have another discussion about it, though.

 

Thank you Steven.

 

You are now my favourite adminerator.

Alain Perrin

Alain Perrin

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I'm pretty fed up with the paying thing to tell you the truth. I don't think I'm going to renew next year. I think the board should be inclusive rather than exclusive. It was much more interesting when that was the case (and I had golden balls so felt superior.)

 

Your golden balls aside, I do think the fact that Joe Public can't post has/is killing the board. It wouldn't be so bad if the mods posted a statement of accounts let the fee payers (of which I was, but am no longer) what it is costing to run.

 

Sadly I think they are too busy sunning themselves in Barbados on the profits from this golden goose (hence why the website is still reporting Pardew sacked). It's well known fact that they spent the recent subs on numerous nights out in Southampton's premier pole dancing establishment.

 

Now is that libel or humour. It's a fine line :)

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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This forum seems to have become so efficently mod'ed now that new threads/posts seem to have all but dried up.

 

Even Nick Illingsworth's Ugly site has more activity than this.

 

Its got nothing to do with the moderation. I got an infraction two weeks ago, but I deserved it. I havent seen any real difference in activity from the mods.

 

Its all about where we are as a club at the moment. Its been a tough first month of the season, we've lost owner and manager, and we dont really have a good picture about the direction of the team and the quality of the new manager (although the potential is clearly there..). The club has been floundering for the first month and is trying to establish itself in a way it should have done during the summer.

 

Everyone is uncertain, but there is strangely little to talk about. The beginning of the season has also been exhaustingly frustrating.

 

So, there is less posting going on, and maybe the mods are cleaning the place up a bit for when the volume posting takes off again. The problem is the club however, not the site.

influx

influx

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FWIW I don't think the board should be moderated at all. I go on plenty of boards which are not moderated and they are fine. It is possible to be self-moderated IMO. And the thing about libel etc is way over the top.

Legod Third Coming

Legod Third Coming

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I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member - Groucho Marx.

 

Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand - Karl Marx.

 

If this board is a society or a 'club' - it is only as good as the contributions from ALL its constiuent members.

 

To sit and criticise it, is to admit your own inability to offer anything constructive or creative to the debate. So, de facto YOU/WE are all at fault.

 

Rather than mope, why not get off your fat arse and start a thread on something controversial - light a fire under all those who sit and watch at the fringes of the debate? Engage them to take part. Be the writer you wish existed - noone's going to complain or hound you down. And if they do, remind them that free speech is a God Given right. ALL men are created equal but with mouths and ears in the direct proportion to the amount which they should be used.

 

Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers - Karl Marx.

 

I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it - Groucho Marx.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member - Groucho Marx.

 

Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand - Karl Marx.

 

If this board is a society or a 'club' - it is only as good as the contributions from ALL its constiuent members.

 

To sit and criticise it, is to admit your own inability to offer anything constructive or creative to the debate. So, de facto YOU/WE are all at fault.

 

Rather than mope, why not get off your fat arse and start a thread on something controversial - light a fire under all those who sit and watch at the fringes of the debate? Engage them to take part. Be the writer you wish existed - noone's going to complain or hound you down. And if they do, remind them that free speech is a God Given right. ALL men are created equal but with mouths and ears in the direct proportion to the amount which they should be used.

 

Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers - Karl Marx.

 

I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it - Groucho Marx.

 

The World would be a much better place if people followed the doctrines of Groucho rather than those of Karl - discuss. ;)

DT

DT

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I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member - Groucho Marx.

 

Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand - Karl Marx.

 

If this board is a society or a 'club' - it is only as good as the contributions from ALL its constiuent members.

 

To sit and criticise it, is to admit your own inability to offer anything constructive or creative to the debate. So, de facto YOU/WE are all at fault.

 

Rather than mope, why not get off your fat arse and start a thread on something controversial - light a fire under all those who sit and watch at the fringes of the debate? Engage them to take part. Be the writer you wish existed - noone's going to complain or hound you down. And if they do, remind them that free speech is a God Given right. ALL men are created equal but with mouths and ears in the direct proportion to the amount which they should be used.

 

Without doubt, machinery has greatly increased the number of well-to-do idlers - Karl Marx.

 

I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it - Groucho Marx.

'Just have a spliff' - Howard Marks

ottery st mary

ottery st mary

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Is there still a Four Marks in Hampshire...

 

Ps Love the forum excepting when peeps shout at me and put the frighteners on..

 

Some strange posters out their.....

 

I will Marks their card for them...

 

WIFM

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