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Full credit to most of the Northam for years of vocal support! The Itchen Corner when it was in the corner was by far the best support we had at SMS. Always remember that video clip when we beat P*mpey!

 

Oh yes, bring back The Corner; that was fantastic in there, I'd be back in a flash.

 

I might write a letter to the club....

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But its not funny and just embarassing, just like singing "we're going to win 6-5" when a team is 5-0 down. It may have been slightly amusing the first time a team ever sang it but its hardly original now.

 

Tell you what then... If it bothers you so much, get a group of your mates together, teach them the words to these wonderful original songs I'm sure you're capable of thinking up, get tickets together in the Northam and start them off.

 

The rest of the stand will soon catch on and follow, and we can all be singing from the intelligent and witty Noggin hymnsheet together.

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But its not funny and just embarassing, just like singing "we're going to win 6-5" when a team is 5-0 down. It may have been slightly amusing the first time a team ever sang it but its hardly original now.

 

I think that you might have discerned that there are those who have indicated that they are part of the Northam stand and who have contributed to the debate.

 

As you have had the temerity to suggest that the songs lack originality, perhaps you would care to suggest some novel and original songs and chants yourself. Otherwise, if you are not capable of coming up with some original and pithy material yourself, how can you expect others to do it who are in the Northam? I await your best efforts.

 

And for those who criticise the Northam for not generating as much atmosphere as formerly, others have responded well by stating that if it were not for the Northam, the ground would be almost like a graveyard or a library.

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How about this for an initiative?

 

http://www.saintmirren.tv/articles/20100921/saints-singing-section_2233570_2161218

 

I particularly like the lines:

 

"St Mirren Football Club are piloting an initiative to encourage fans to sing in support of the Buddies.

 

With the introduction of our brand new all seated stadium, singing by the home support seems to have become quieter. The Club have therefore gone out of their way to help bring singing to St Mirren Park in a pilot scheme allowing supporters to stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

 

 

Would like to see the Itchen Corner re-opened at St Marys with the words printed on the ticket

"supporters can stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

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How about this for an initiative?

 

http://www.saintmirren.tv/articles/20100921/saints-singing-section_2233570_2161218

 

I particularly like the lines:

 

"St Mirren Football Club are piloting an initiative to encourage fans to sing in support of the Buddies.

 

With the introduction of our brand new all seated stadium, singing by the home support seems to have become quieter. The Club have therefore gone out of their way to help bring singing to St Mirren Park in a pilot scheme allowing supporters to stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

 

 

Would like to see the Itchen Corner re-opened at St Marys with the words printed on the ticket

"supporters can stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

 

It would definitely help if people understood that certain parts of the stadium were likely to experience a lot of 'standing' moments. The ones that constantly moan "sit down" would then know where to sit in peace whilst other more animated types could sit/stand with like-minded people.

 

It would never get approval in the Itchen corner unfortunately due to the corporate boxes.

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How about this for an initiative?

 

http://www.saintmirren.tv/articles/20100921/saints-singing-section_2233570_2161218

 

I particularly like the lines:

 

"St Mirren Football Club are piloting an initiative to encourage fans to sing in support of the Buddies.

 

With the introduction of our brand new all seated stadium, singing by the home support seems to have become quieter. The Club have therefore gone out of their way to help bring singing to St Mirren Park in a pilot scheme allowing supporters to stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

 

 

Would like to see the Itchen Corner re-opened at St Marys with the words printed on the ticket

"supporters can stand but only whilst giving vocal encouragement in the shape of a song"

 

 

That's great. We should lobby the club on this it might make a difference.

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I think that you might have discerned that there are those who have indicated that they are part of the Northam stand and who have contributed to the debate.

 

As you have had the temerity to suggest that the songs lack originality, perhaps you would care to suggest some novel and original songs and chants yourself. Otherwise, if you are not capable of coming up with some original and pithy material yourself, how can you expect others to do it who are in the Northam? I await your best efforts.

 

And for those who criticise the Northam for not generating as much atmosphere as formerly, others have responded well by stating that if it were not for the Northam, the ground would be almost like a graveyard or a library.

 

I am in the northam, hence me stating what has been doing my head in.

 

And i ma not trying to make out i am a John Lennon and have a load of imaginative songs up my sleeve, i was just venting my frustrations in regards to the current atmosphere in the northam. Something that i am entitled to do with out you disecting my post like Tony Robinson and the time team.

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I am in the northam, hence me stating what has been doing my head in.

 

And i ma not trying to make out i am a John Lennon and have a load of imaginative songs up my sleeve, i was just venting my frustrations in regards to the current atmosphere in the northam. Something that i am entitled to do with out you disecting my post like Tony Robinson and the time team.

 

You are entitled to vent your frustrations, just as people are entitled to pick them apart if you are not able to come up with any alternatives.

 

At the end of the day, if there are not enough clever songs for your liking, do something about it.

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At the end of the day, if there are not enough clever songs for your liking, do something about it.

 

Or sing the existing and/or traditional songs at the correct tempo so that a) other parts of the ground can take up your lead and b) OWTSGMI doesn't die out after one 100mph chorus.

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I hate OWTS sung slowly- sounds dreary and dull- bit like some of you moaning old codgers on here!

 

OWTSGMI sung slowly also makes OWSTGMI sung loudly from all four stands.

 

I bet you love clapping really quickly as you sing it then, Red Army, Southampton Til I Die and that you sit [stand] in The Greatest Stand At St Marys as well.

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Why- because I don't particularly like the slow version of that song and because I think you are moaning about fans that support the same team as you. You are moaning about fans who are trying to get behind their team. Pathetic.

 

So: do you sing those songs and sit in The Northam?

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Or sing the existing and/or traditional songs at the correct tempo so that a) other parts of the ground can take up your lead and b) OWTSGMI doesn't die out after one 100mph chorus.

 

If you feel that strongly about it, have a word with the lads who can hit the back boards, the rest of us don't stand a chance.

 

I wouldn't mind singing OWTS slower but those at the back set the tempo, it's impossible to go against it as they're so loud.

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Did any of you watch spurs v arsenal last night?

 

Oh when the spurs sung slowly was superb and a million times better than our effort of oh when the saints. if someone can get the youtube video and post it here i think some of our fans could learn a lot about how poor our support is compared to other clubs we should be aspiring to be like.

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If anyone sits at the back of The Northam, can you please punch the Muppets who bang the backboards and ruin every chant - especially OWTSGMI which as a result is sung better by every other team than us. Tell them you're 'having a word' on behalf of Barry The Badger.

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If it was down to people like me to start the singing, or come up with some original songs, the ground would be deathly silent.Fortunatly in the past there's been people who can start it up and come up with some original ideas.I'm not so sure that's the case nowadays.

Even OWTS doesn't seem to boom around the ground like it used to. I watched the Stoke game at the weekend and even they seemed to sing it louder and longer than we do. There doesn't appear to be many original songs about these days, with songs just recycled from Club to Club. Look at the Torres one, it's Rickey Lambert, Svylain Banks, Ricardo Fuller ect ect ect. Great song, but hardly original now.I find the whole "we're going to win 5-4" and "we want 1" a bit embaressing, in a "look at us we're mad" sort of way.

There doesn't seem to be much signing from all parts of the ground, but that's hardly the Northam's fault. Would love to hear OWTS and perhaps Woolston Ferry sung by all 4 ends and then the Northam doing the rest, with us oldies joining in now and then.

 

As for the Northam, personally I dont like watching from that end. Some of the language and behaviour annoys me. However, I was younger once and I'm sure I annoyed a hell of a lot of people. Dont try to change it, they have as much right to watch their Club as anyone, and if you dont like it sit somewhere else. I find the constant moaning about different types of supporters distasteful and certainly something that has got worse in recent times.That applies to all sides of the support. I resent having to stand up to prove I love the Club, but equally resent people trying to preach to young youths how they should watch their Club. Let's just live and let live.There are different stands for different types, so people have a choice.

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I hate OWTS sung slowly- sounds dreary and dull- bit like some of you moaning old codgers on here!

 

FFS . It's BECAUSE it's a slow song that everyone can join in.

 

Do Spurs and Stoke fans speed OWTSGMI up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

 

Do West Hams speed I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

 

Do Bristol Rovers fans speed Goodnight Irene up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

 

Do ManUre Away fans speed up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

 

I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

 

Slow songs, sung properly catch on. The whole ground can join in. In fact when a slow song is sung properly it's harder NOT to join in. Give it a try sometime.

 

Do Liverpool fans speed You'll Never Walk Alone up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

 

Do Man City fans speed Blue Moon up because they don't like it ? No they sing it properly

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Essruu- I am really sorry that I get caught up in the moment and sing songs to cheer my team on- is there anything I can do to make me a better fan? How do I become a true fan like you- do I just keep my mouth shut at games and moan about everyone on forums? Please advise.

 

I guess the answers that you've failed to give are: Yes, you like to clap fast when singing OWTSGMI; Yes, you sing Red Army; Yes also to Southampton Til I Die; and you clearly sit in The Northam. It figures, if you think any of the above makes you [The Northam] Superfans.

 

Edit: Do what JRM suggested. THAT should highlight how poor The Greatest Stand At St Marys really is for atmosphere outside of the heads of the 100mph crew.

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That's the clip I was about to post! After the first slow rendition, you can hear a few try to clap and speed it up, but they were easily ignored by the better slower singers. It's not rocket science; But it is highly embarrassing that we have to look to fans of other clubs to see how OUR song should be sung properly and loudly.

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That's the clip I was about to post! After the first slow rendition, you can hear a few try to clap and speed it up, but they were easily ignored by the better slower singers. It's not rocket science; But it is highly embarrassing that we have to look to fans of other clubs to see how OUR song should be sung properly and loudly.

 

Until they had been through the song all of twice.

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I think that you might have discerned that there are those who have indicated that they are part of the Northam stand and who have contributed to the debate.

 

As you have had the temerity to suggest that the songs lack originality, perhaps you would care to suggest some novel and original songs and chants yourself. Otherwise, if you are not capable of coming up with some original and pithy material yourself, how can you expect others to do it who are in the Northam? I await your best efforts.

 

And for those who criticise the Northam for not generating as much atmosphere as formerly, others have responded well by stating that if it were not for the Northam, the ground would be almost like a graveyard or a library.

 

Tender, will you ever be able to come out with something

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This old chestnut keeps rearing its head again and again and I'm sure that it will continue to do so until some positive action is taken. There are a few options that come into my head, although whether they are viable and would work I don't know. The most obvious action, but probably the most difficult to put into effect, is to all intents and purposes a choir practice. A venue could be arranged and anybody who likes to sing would attend and agreement could be reached about what songs can be sung and at what speed.

 

Otherwise, if there are complaints that those who effectively set the beat by banging the backboards are too fast for the chants, then somehow the message needs to get across to them to slow it down. Otherwise, although I don't approve of it myself, we need a couple of drummers to bang out a sensible beat which could then be taken up by the board bangers.

 

Another suggestion is to have a permanent thread on here devoted exclusively to chants for the players and the team, but which would also accomodate new chants/songs for specific matches and rival teams and also current events that relate to who we are playing. If there are suggestions on that thread that strike a chord with most, then there will be an impetus towards more diversity. If the words of a new chart needed to be spread around at a match because sometimes it is difficult to hear or remember the words, then it is a simple matter to print off a few hundred copies to spread around a section of the crowd. Otherwise, the pre-match pubs could be a good place for groups to practice new songs suggested on here and then to start them up at the grounds to catch on with others around them.

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This old chestnut keeps rearing its head again and again and I'm sure that it will continue to do so until some positive action is taken. There are a few options that come into my head, although whether they are viable and would work I don't know. The most obvious action, but probably the most difficult to put into effect, is to all intents and purposes a choir practice. A venue could be arranged and anybody who likes to sing would attend and agreement could be reached about what songs can be sung and at what speed.

 

Otherwise, if there are complaints that those who effectively set the beat by banging the backboards are too fast for the chants, then somehow the message needs to get across to them to slow it down. Otherwise, although I don't approve of it myself, we need a couple of drummers to bang out a sensible beat which could then be taken up by the board bangers.

 

Another suggestion is to have a permanent thread on here devoted exclusively to chants for the players and the team, but which would also accomodate new chants/songs for specific matches and rival teams and also current events that relate to who we are playing. If there are suggestions on that thread that strike a chord with most, then there will be an impetus towards more diversity. If the words of a new chart needed to be spread around at a match because sometimes it is difficult to hear or remember the words, then it is a simple matter to print off a few hundred copies to spread around a section of the crowd. Otherwise, the pre-match pubs could be a good place for groups to practice new songs suggested on here and then to start them up at the grounds to catch on with others around them.

 

YAWN YAWN YAWN

 

"Otherwise, the pre-match pubs could be a good place for groups to practice new songs suggested on here and then to start them up at the grounds to catch on with others around them" Are you for real???? This is a football match, not a f//king choir.

 

People like you make me embarrassed to be a Saints fan.

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YAWN YAWN YAWN

 

"Otherwise, the pre-match pubs could be a good place for groups to practice new songs suggested on here and then to start them up at the grounds to catch on with others around them" Are you for real???? This is a football match, not a f//king choir.

 

People like you make me embarrassed to be a Saints fan.

 

Ah, so you're not capable of coming up with any sensible suggestions of your own. It's easy to just type inane insults, isn't it? A group of people singing together is effectively a choir of sorts. But then you wouldn't realise that.

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YAWN YAWN YAWN

 

"Otherwise, the pre-match pubs could be a good place for groups to practice new songs suggested on here and then to start them up at the grounds to catch on with others around them" Are you for real???? This is a football match, not a f//king choir.

 

People like you make me embarrassed to be a Saints fan.

 

 

But that's exactly how it used to happen (minus the suggested on here bit)

 

Difference is back in those days, the dozen or so that heard it in the pub would walk o the ground together and stand together in the ground, so when they started singing it it was already loud enough for others to catch on and join in.

 

nowadays with all seater ticket only stadium, they get to the ground and all disperse to their various blocks/stands and there's never a big enough group together to get anything new started.

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I have to say I find it quite funny that during games there are people sat in the Itchen getting worked up that the Northam are singing "Red Army".

 

I will remember to sing that one especially loud next time just for you Essruu.

 

We don't play in Red. Even when we played in stripes, with the black socks there was just as much black in our kit. You may as well sing Black Army. Red & White Army would be fine and proper though.

 

If you follow Red Army with the original northern monkey and now copied by every unimaginative crowd tune 'Southampton Til I Die', then you're one of the ****s I despair at.

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I've stood/sat in the Northam since st mary's opened having moved from the Archers at the Dell and i'd say the biggest change for me is the amount of kids in the Northam now. By kids as well i split them into two kinds, first of all the yooof types that seem to get up people's noses, and secondly children.

 

For years i stood in the Northam, but the last couple of seasons i've not been able to do that since i've had children sat behind me (and one particularly grumpy middle aged man). Now i don't want the kids to not be able to see so i have to sit - against my nature - but i personally blame their middle aged dad who shouldn't be taking them to a stand that's known for people standing. There's also a few around me that inexplicably refuse to stand (these are mid 30's healthy people) no matter what, which really doesn't help.

 

As for the yooof type, they're just kids and i remember when i was a kid enjoying some of the more puerile chants, hell i can clearly remember let him die at the dell alongside other pretty ****ing horrible things (airplane motions and always look on the runway for ice to United, songs about scousers being robbers etc.).

But for some reason for me the turning point was when that Pompey fan on a string song took off, that's always embarrassed the **** out of me and seems to have led to slew of unimaginative crap coming out - singing **** off at every set of away fans, wow how original!

 

Then there's the Puncheon moaners, the guy sat next to me this season (who must be a new season ticket holder i guess) seems to take pleasure in Puncheon ****ing up and talks the biggest load of **** of anyone i've ever been next to in football (block42 if it's you shut the **** up please!). The other week he slagged off Puncheon for not making a ball that was hoofed into touch and even Usain Bolt would've done well to reach.

 

One other thing to add to the equation though is that when we first started to go as a group of mates, back in the late 80's, there was a good 15 of us all stood together. Of that original group there's now less than 4 as money, work, family and moving away has slipped into the equation. In fact we're more likely to meet up as a group for away days, as it's a day on the **** for many, than at St Marys where everyone is dotted around more.

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Ive been in block 42 ever since ive had a st.As with the post above,there was a big group of us when i first started going and if one of us started a song,then they would all join in,until the rest of the Northam took over.Now theres a lot less of us and those missing fans have been replaced by younger fans and it seems different people every game.These new fans dont seem to want to sing so much.But an exception to this are a few lads who try to start a lot of songs behind me in row ff.Well done lads.

I think the main reason the atmosphere is not so good,is the team this season are not performing,thus this makes the watching fans more likely to shout abuse,rather than support.

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Now, I understand this might be a touch controversial but I wondered if anyone else in the Northerm Stand is finding themselves more and more frustrated to the poiunt of embarrassed at the actions of the fans up there. I will list a few things below for you to rip apart in you own particular way.

 

The day we were all giving thanks for Marcus' life, within the first five minutes of the game a player goes down on the opposing side and the song 'let him die' flys around from the back rows. - Take a moment to think about it lads.

 

Lloyd James was booed until being drowned-out by the rest of the stadium on Saturday.

 

The team were booed from there after Saturday. - I realise this is pretty subjective but IMO it was nearly good enough and far from a **** performance.

 

There are more but I think you get the message, apart from the fact that I can't be arsed to type anymore. Wondered what you lot think about this..

 

Yes absolutely, but i'm a snob...

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The rest of SMS slagging off Northam for their vocal support. F*cking hilarious!!!

 

I have tried and tried and tried to keep OWTS slow, tried desperately to get different songs going (with nothing coming of it), tried singing songs to get behind the lads when we were 0-1 down to Rochdale, in desperate hope of giving them a lift (as you do) but again... nothing. All I got for my efforts were being accused of being on my high horse and thinking I was our version of the Tw*t with the Bell.I said that on saturday I would remain quiet until someone else decided to start a song, as I was apparently getting on so many people's backs and the only songs that were started from block 42 were "Southampton Boys are in Town" (Ummmmmmm... You reckon? This is an away chant, please dont sing this at a home game because that really is just plain dumb) and "Were are Southampton, The Pride of The South" and each came and went with little follow on. Although I may nark a few people off, I only try to get a bit of variety and sing songs that I think people will join in with, whilst also ensuring it is something that shows our support for the lads on the pitch, instead of trying to remind the away fans that we have a rivalry with Portsmouth.

 

The Northam Stand has gone horribly downhill and I have heard much, much better support from much smaller grounds around the country, so those that think the northam creates a special atmosphere are seriously deluded.

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We don't play in Red. Even when we played in stripes, with the black socks there was just as much black in our kit. You may as well sing Black Army. Red & White Army would be fine and proper though.

 

If you follow Red Army with the original northern monkey and now copied by every unimaginative crowd tune 'Southampton Til I Die', then you're one of the ****s I despair at.

 

Yep thats probably me. Although as I've said, I do agree things are sung too fast, and I hated the "one Alan Pardew" after he'd been sacked, if that helps.

 

Wow, some people really take themselves seriously. No need to resort to name calling mate.

 

I have to assume you are on a windup, I just cannot believe that anybody really despairs that we sing red army instead of red and white army.

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So apart from the Northam we have..

 

The Itchen Stand - Never full and no one sings except for about 25 people near the away fans who you can only ever hear if the rest of the ground is in deathly silence.

 

the Kingsland Stand - Never ever started a song ever - only ever join in occasionally when the Northam start something. Can have quite a good atnosphere near the Northam if Northam is full and there is some spill over.

 

The Chapel - Again rarely full, sing songs about once or twice a season. Might as well not be there support wise.

 

yeah, lets slate the Northam because they sing the odd crap song.

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St Mary's is dead from the waist down (cue the "that's my wife jokes") well from the halfway line to be precise. Now I understand not everyone wants to sing but it never fails to amaze me how many fans just sit on their hands and rarely open their mouths, we can be attacking the Chapel (of rest...stupid name, inhabitants take it far too literally) and...almost silence. No roar as we're piling forward, no putting the visitors under more pressure, defenders just get an easy ride at SMS.

 

You can't really knock the Northam as it is the only area any significant vocal support comes from, I'd agree it's gone down hill...have you ever heard "We all follow South......etc" sung that fast? :) ...but if it wasn't for that (half a) stand...

 

I think it'll improve as the season progresses as planned and don't forget, although Spurs fans are getting a lot of praise right now it wasn't so long ago WHL was a morgue. They even printed song sheets in the their official programme on one of our visits as no-one was making any noise (fartton was the same...until TCWTB and his boyfriend with the drum turned up...now going back that way by some accounts) but Spurs have now got one of the most atmospheric stadiums.

 

Wake up SMS...and we need to develop a 'St Mary's Roar'.

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Compared to most grounds in this country, SMS remains 1 of the best for atmosphere (Well the Northam anyway)- i went to 8 away games last season, Brighton were ok and Millwall in small doses but other than that-i don't recall ANY singing from home fans.

 

The likes of Spurs are good on big games but like most of the prem have a very poor atmosphere-SMS would be better if the club , police and stewards didnt impose various restrictions-not least closing the Itchen corner.

 

So rather than worry about singing too slow or too fast, or the wrong kind of songs-i'm just pleased we've got a large singing mob at one end.

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The Northam Stand has gone horribly downhill and I have heard much, much better support from much smaller grounds around the country, so those that think the northam creates a special atmosphere are seriously deluded.

 

Out of interest mate, which other grounds do you think have had a better atmosphere than the Northam? I can only think of maybe one or two.

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