Ed Miliband, he is the one.

[1976_Child]

Now look, I ain't no Labour lover - never voted for them - but Ed Miliband is light years ahead of the rest. Watching Question Time on BBC, Ed Miliband has got it, his brother hasn't. None of the others has either. Ed has the pulse he has the edge.

 

Ed M, looks like a good move for the Labour party. Good luck to him, about time that Labour was about Labour.

[dune]

Out of the Bean brothers David is the only possible threat, and now it looks like they are going to choose the most geeky Bean of the two. It is music to my ears.

[thefunkygibbons]

I do hope he wins

 

He will then take Labour to the left and keep them out of power for another election

[dune]

I do hope he wins

 

He will then take Labour to the left and keep them out of power for another election

 

And it gets better - the Liberal core vote will desert them at the next election for either Labour of some tree hugging fringe party and this will turn vast swathes of Lib-Con marginals blue. I predict the Conservatives will be in power for a generation.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

And it gets better - the Liberal core vote will desert them at the next election for either Labour of some tree hugging fringe party and this will turn vast swathes of Lib-Con marginals blue. I predict the Conservatives will be in power for a generation.

 

I think you'll find a lot of Lib Dems will turn to Labour after the party stabbed it's core support in the back at the last election. Nick Clegg has given those on the left something to rally behind (undeating the current 'government') and it will come back to bite him in the ass.

 

Dune, by the way, me and the Overlord actually agree on something: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11330193

Edited 17 September, 2010 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[dune]

I think you'll find a lot of Lib Dems will turn to Labour after the party stabbed it's core support in the back at the last election.

 

I think you'll find that is what I said.

[Colinjb]

And it gets better - the Liberal core vote will desert them at the next election for either Labour of some tree hugging fringe party and this will turn vast swathes of Lib-Con marginals blue. I predict the Conservatives will be in power for a generation.

 

I do hope so. If the 'recovery' from recession can be managed properly without any major hiccoughs then I would expect a Tory governement next time, any major economic downturn or negative political incident though could lead to Labour (almost regardless of their core policies) being voted back in.

 

The Mori polls right now make interesting reading. Voting intention right now is judged as:

 

Tory: 41%

Labour: 38%

Lib Dem 12%

 

(YouGov poll, 13th September)

Edited 17 September, 2010 by Colinjb

[View From The Top]

I do hope so. If the 'recovery' from recession can be managed properly without any major hiccoughs then I would expect a Tory governement next time, any major economic downturn or negative political incident though could lead to Labour (almost regardless of their core policies) being voted back in.

 

The forthcoming cuts, tax rises, rising unemployment (forcast to be higher in the private than public sector due to loss of contracts) and possible double dip, combined with the collapse of the Liberal vote will see the tories out of office for a generation.

 

For a very large portion of society "The Banks" are to blame for the economic mess and not the last government and that view, combined with the cuts and reduction in services, will see Labour home. It also helps that Labour, this time, have avoided a civil war and Brown not being involved speaks for itself.

 

All, of course, IMHO.

[Colinjb]

The forthcoming cuts, tax rises, rising unemployment (forcast to be higher in the private than public sector due to loss of contracts) and possible double dip, combined with the collapse of the Liberal vote will see the tories out of office for a generation.

 

For a very large portion of society "The Banks" are to blame for the economic mess and not the last government and that view, combined with the cuts and reduction in services, will see Labour home. It also helps that Labour, this time, have avoided a civil war and Brown not being involved speaks for itself.

 

It seems things are quite 'black and white' in this issue. I accept your view and do believe that the banks where the proplem but ideologically I will always side with the Tories. In my own experience the two following states currently exist.

 

1) People that blame the tories for the cuts which are now curtailing the unsustainable lifestyles they garnered under labour's administration .

2) People that blame labour's administration for widespread waste in society (benefits claim culture, excessive immigration) and the unsustainable way in which society has gone which has rendered the cuts neccesary.

 

It seems to be about a 50/50 split between the two. I don't expect either party to be in for a generation, it will in likelihood be a case of tory-labour-tory-labour for the next few terms...

 

Which is a shame, because stability is required right now. A constant shift between the two ideals can only be damaging.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

And it gets better - the Liberal core vote will desert them at the next election for either Labour of some tree hugging fringe party and this will turn vast swathes of Lib-Con marginals blue. I predict the Conservatives will be in power for a generation.

 

And you're happy with that? I would have thought that the Tories would be a bit too commie for your tastes.

[belgrave]

All seemed pretty incompetent to me... E.M. probably best of the bunch. The rest might just make middle-rank management consultants...

[dune]

All seemed pretty incompetent to me... E.M. probably best of the bunch. The rest might just make middle-rank management consultants...

 

What about Diane Abbott? An amoeba has more brain cells.

[solentstars]

I do hope he wins

 

He will then take Labour to the left and keep them out of power for another election

 

are you for real,cameron is more to the left to that guy thats why lots of people have abandoned labour we,ve had thatchers son blair followed by brown and his banker friends.

none of labours list would get me to vote for them.

[solentstars]

I think you'll find a lot of Lib Dems will turn to Labour after the party stabbed it's core support in the back at the last election. Nick Clegg has given those on the left something to rally behind (undeating the current 'government') and it will come back to bite him in the ass.

 

Dune, by the way, me and the Overlord actually agree on something: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11330193

 

i think you will find the liberal vote will hold up when people have to chose between another right wing labourleader or a left of centre liberal or tory party.

[solentstars]

All seemed pretty incompetent to me... E.M. probably best of the bunch. The rest might just make middle-rank management consultants...

 

spot on:D

[Verbal]

I do hope so. If the 'recovery' from recession can be managed properly without any major hiccoughs then I would expect a Tory governement next time, any major economic downturn or negative political incident though could lead to Labour (almost regardless of their core policies) being voted back in.

 

The Mori polls right now make interesting reading. Voting intention right now is judged as:

 

Tory: 41%

Labour: 38%

Lib Dem 12%

 

(YouGov poll, 13th September)

 

I'm not sure what you're suggesting - because those are remarkably POSITIVE figures for Labour support such a short time after an election that was supposed to be 'disastrous', and during which they often polled only in the high 20s. Stanley's hopeless fantasy of Tory rule for a generation looks shaky even now.

[dune]

I'm not sure what you're suggesting - because those are remarkably POSITIVE figures for Labour support such a short time after an election that was supposed to be 'disastrous', and during which they often polled only in the high 20s. Stanley's hopeless fantasy of Tory rule for a generation looks shaky even now.

 

I'm not at all concerned.

[Colinjb]

I'm not sure what you're suggesting - because those are remarkably POSITIVE figures for Labour support such a short time after an election that was supposed to be 'disastrous', and during which they often polled only in the high 20s. Stanley's hopeless fantasy of Tory rule for a generation looks shaky even now.

 

Nonetheless, they are still behind... just. And that's despite all of the 'bad news' coming from the Coalition regarding cuts. A good rebound but not surprising as there will be many people very p*ssed off at the loss of the quangos, public sector cuts etc.

 

There will not be a generation of Coalition/Tory rule. As I said before, it will probably be a few terms of Tory/Labout/Tory/labour etc.

[Mao Cap]

What about Diane Abbott? An amoeba has more brain cells.

 

Maybe she's dead clever but sees no reason to make a show of it?

 

Joking aside I've got a lot of time for Ed Balls. He has an excellent grasp of economics, so much so that his recent analysis of the country's situation even got grudging plaudits from parts of the right-wing press.

[dune]

Maybe she's dead clever but sees no reason to make a show of it?

 

Joking aside I've got a lot of time for Ed Balls. He has an excellent grasp of economics, so much so that his recent analysis of the country's situation even got grudging plaudits from parts of the right-wing press.

 

Ed Balls is one of the most irritating politicians out. Utterly unelectable.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Andy Burnham was the only one who had the balls to admit there would have been cuts and job losess if Labour had got in. The others are away in a world, where the state can continue provide jobs for everyone and cuts are "taking money out of the ecomony".

[Seaford Saint]

It seems things are quite 'black and white' in this issue. I accept your view and do believe that the banks where the proplem but ideologically I will always side with the Tories. In my own experience the two following states currently exist.

 

1) People that blame the tories for the cuts which are now curtailing the unsustainable lifestyles they garnered under labour's administration .

2) People that blame labour's administration for widespread waste in society (benefits claim culture, excessive immigration) and the unsustainable way in which society has gone which has rendered the cuts neccesary.

 

It seems to be about a 50/50 split between the two. I don't expect either party to be in for a generation, it will in likelihood be a case of tory-labour-tory-labour for the next few terms...

 

Which is a shame, because stability is required right now. A constant shift between the two ideals can only be damaging.

 

Can anybody explain the differences between tories and labour as it is now/ I am buggered if I can see any differences. Shocking candidates for labour on Question Time last night....most are Oxbridge.

[Mao Cap]

Ed Balls is one of the most irritating politicians out. Utterly unelectable.

 

Well that's what you'd think, but I suspect a number of people would appreciate something other than the identical, bland Blair/Cameron/Miliband types. Political types moan their box off about slimy, insincere "career politicians" but then promptly dismiss as "unelectable" anyone who deviates from this norm. Dear Old Maggie, for example, was an incredibly unlikeable old bag, but she was at least something different - half the population may have loathed her, but the other half f*cking lapped her up.

[dune]

Well that's what you'd think, but I suspect a number of people would appreciate something other than the identical, bland Blair/Cameron/Miliband types. Political types moan their box off about slimy, insincere "career politicians" but then promptly dismiss as "unelectable" anyone who deviates from this norm. Dear Old Maggie, for example, was an incredibly unlikeable old bag, but she was at least something different - half the population may have loathed her, but the other half f*cking lapped her up.

 

Ed Balls is as slimy as they come.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Well that's what you'd think, but I suspect a number of people would appreciate something other than the identical, bland Blair/Cameron/Miliband types. Political types moan their box off about slimy, insincere "career politicians" but then promptly dismiss as "unelectable" anyone who deviates from this norm. Dear Old Maggie, for example, was an incredibly unlikeable old bag, but she was at least something different - half the population may have loathed her, but the other half f*cking lapped her up.

 

Balls went to a private school, then onto Oxford and Harvard. He was an economic adviser to Gordon Brown from 1994 till he was elected in 2004. He is the perfect example of a career politiian as you'll ever find.

[dune]

Balls went to a private school, then onto Oxford and Harvard. He was an economic adviser to Gordon Brown from 1994 till he was elected in 2004. He is the perfect example of a career politiian as you'll ever find.

 

And he almost lost his safe Labour seat at the last election.

[View From The Top]

Balls went to a private school, then onto Oxford and Harvard. He was an economic adviser to Gordon Brown from 1994 till he was elected in 2004. He is the perfect example of a career politiian as you'll ever find.

 

I think what he means is that he's not groomed for the media.

 

Most modern politicians, of all persuasions, are anodyne to the extreme.

[SuperMikey]

Lowdown on the Labour candidates and their policies;

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11150085

 

Personally, I think...

 

Andy Burnham - Would get my vote. Sensible policies, charismatic and experienced, despite his age.

Ed Balls - Too similar to Brown, also lacks charisma. Not a leader imo, more of a behind the scenes guy.

Ed Miliband - Looks like a rabbit in headlights, also lacks charisma. Overshadowed by his brother.

David Miliband - Just David Cameron v2.0. Won't beat Conservatives in an election. Will probably win though.

Diane Abbott - Seriously?

 

Burnham talks sense, he talks facts, and he knows the common man. He's a rare kind of politician in that he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and surely a bit of empathy is what we need right now with the cuts? The LibServatives are going about cutting the deficit all wrong, Boy George thinks that slashing the f*ck out of everything will portray him as ruthless, when really he's just hollowing out the country's infrastructure. Making even more people unemployed will only increase the strain on spending on benefits etc, and cutting benefits will only increase the number of people in the country who are living in poverty. It's those who actually NEED the benefits who will suffer from it, it's people who physically CAN'T work who will feel the worst of the cuts. It may spurr some lay-abouts into getting jobs, but they're not all going to be able to do that because THERE WILL BE NO JOBS.

 

Some of you may remember that I was quite staunchly Lib Dem in the elections, but I, along with many others who voted Lib Dem, will probably end up voting for Labour next time an election comes around. Clegg's sold his soul to the devil, and the party is going to suffer a lot because of it, although at least he'll have some "I was Deputy Prime-Minister you know" stories to tell in his old age. The Lib Dems got a whole load of votes from disgruntled ex-Labour voters in the last election, and now those, plus a lot more from the core LD support, will swing right back to Labour.

 

Burnham FTW.

[Joensuu]

I lost interest when Jon Cruddas decided not to stand.

[Big John]

I hope it's not Diane Abbott as I enjoy her Thursday evening chats with Portillo. She does perhaps fire from the hip too freely for the rank and file labourites.

 

As long as it does not interfere with my TV viewing enjoyment I really could not give a fiddler's fart who gets the gig.

[bridge too far]

I voted for Ed M - fingers crossed

[LGTL]

Ed Milliband will win, but David Milliband is the only candidate who could win the next election. IMO.

[Wade Garrett]

I voted for David M. Saw him make mincemeat out of Paxman, he is sharp as they come, and I believe would win the next election.

 

Unfortunately, I think his brother will win.

[Saintandy666]

I have 5 days to renew my membership of the Lib Dems. I am watching intently this afternoon.

[Robsk II]

Yes. Ed milliband IS the one. 51% to David's 49%. Close as f*ck.

[1976_Child]

Edward , not banana man, gets the job. Tories will be in power now for a generation. But at least we will have a real left wing party again and not some wishy-washy centralist suck-up-to-the-city nonses party.

[View From The Top]

Edward , not banana man, gets the job. Tories will be in power now for a generation. But at least we will have a real left wing party again and not some wishy-washy centralist suck-up-to-the-city nonses party.

 

Not a chance.

 

They'll be out next time around.

[dune]

h AYHA HA HA HA HA HA HA . UNLŞUCKY

[dune]

h ayha ha ha ha ha ha ha . UnlŞucky

 

wtf is that turkish letttwre?

[Chin Strain]

Edward , not banana man, gets the job. Tories will be in power now for a generation. But at least we will have a real left wing party again and not some wishy-washy centralist suck-up-to-the-city nonses party.

 

Lol, not noticed that until you mentioned it - spot on.

[dune]

bean

[SuperMikey]

It's a sensible choice, but he's not a leader. He's not inspiring, he doesn't really connect well with people, I think he'd be a lot better at doing something relatively low-key like he was before. Going to have to think thrice about who i'll vote for now...

[Ludwig]

h AYHA HA HA HA HA HA HA . UNLŞUCKY

 

Genuinely, do you suffer from any form of mental illness? Politics isn't really a 'my dad is bigger than yours' kind of game, yet you childishly appear to treat it as such.

[dune]

wAS I A BAR AND THERW2ERE WAS SOME SCOUSRES SAYIN THERY DUNNO HIOWE ANUYONWE COULDF VOTE TORY ASND WHEN ED WOMN I CHEERED COS IT MEANTH THE LABOPUR SCUM WILL NEVERB GET IN. THEY WALKED OUT. MADE ME LAUFGH.

[dune]

genuinely, do you suffer from any form of mental illness? Politics isn't really a 'my dad is bigger than yours' kind of game, yet you childishly appear to treat it as such.

 

havent you got a opare rouynd tyo doğ?

[SuperMikey]

Silly WUM. Go and find a bloke to f*ck, Dune.

[dune]

bYE

[JackFrost]

Ed Miliband has won it

[dune]

Ed Miliband has won it

 

nO. **** ME YO0UR QIUCK.

[dune]

Now my 15 minutyes is up. Ann d i,ll be ****ed if if im payimn g another 10 lira to post hereŞ so see you all later.