SISA at it again

[dune]

They get angry if you don't agree with them.

 

It's better just to laugh at them.

[manji]

unless he's richard chorley under a different alias

 

Nah mears post is not pretentious enough. Chorley would answer in an !!!!OPEN LETTER!!!!

[PokingFun]

Who are SISA?

[Topcat]

And here we are again !

I for one amongst countless others am quite happy for the Liebherr family to do as they seem fit, and also I do not ( as do countless others too) want Cortese's position re-assessed now either.

 

I am not happy for Cortese to carry on as this self appointed dictator showing zero business acumen. He needs to be held accountable. The Liebherr family may assume that everything is ok under Cortse and that we are still on schedule for automatic promotion under the "lots of games left" dream. After this article and the other one from the NB chap in the Echo word will get back to them (via press cuttings services quoting their family name) that everything is not ok. They can of course choose to ignore it.

[St.Jeweller]

surely they must admit now that the 'league one super-stars' shout is wearing a bit thin.

[S-Clarke]

i wish they'd **** off and realize that we don't actually give a **** what they think.

[Thedelldays]

I am not happy for Cortese to carry on as this self appointed dictator showing zero business acumen. He needs to be held accountable. The Liebherr family may assume that everything is ok under Cortse and that we are still on schedule for automatic promotion under the "lots of games left" dream. After this article and the other one from the NB chap in the Echo word will get back to them (via press cuttings services quoting their family name) that everything is not ok. They can of course choose to ignore it.

 

I bet he has more business acumen in his left (little) toe than you ever will......as for dictator..fancy explaining that one..?

you think the liebherr family will listen (if any actually care that much) to NC or nick illingworth..?

[dune]

Nah mears post is not pretentious enough. Chorley would answer in an !!!!OPEN LETTER!!!!

 

You're right there.

[Topcat]

I bet he has more business acumen in his left (little) toe than you ever will......as for dictator..fancy explaining that one..?

you think the liebherr family will listen (if any actually care that much) to NC or nick illingworth..?

 

Keys to a good Business CEO.

1. Respect your customers and communicate well. (FAIL).

2. Treat your line reports with respect and have clear lines of delegation. (FAIL)

3. Ensure that the vital parts of the Business have the first call on resources. (FAIL)

[Thedelldays]

Keys to a good Business CEO.

1. Respect your customers and communicate well. (FAIL).

2. Treat your line reports with respect and have clear lines of delegation. (FAIL)

3. Ensure that the vital parts of the Business have the first call on resources. (FAIL)

 

lol...ok mr branson

[Badger]

The rag-tag lovers of self-promotion, SISA, are at it again in today's Echo, demanding that the Liebherr family offer a public assurance to supporters regarding the future stability of the club.

 

According to SISA, the Liebherr family are now "duty bound to listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company. If the family are committed to the club's welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans' perspectives and that committment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the club's progress above Mr Cortese".

 

 

I find their tone,as reported, to be outrageous,and bordering on the disrespectful to Marcus Leibherr's family.

 

The Liebherr's are under no obligation to be answerable to a group of bumptious knobs who behave like 1970's shop stewards always seem intent on promoting a confrontation where none should exist.

 

Perhaps on reading of this the Liebherr's should just say "sorry,can't meet your requirements so we'll walk away.." or just "b0ll0cks to it" . I wonder where that would leave the shop stewards,and what they might seek if that happened.

[dellgirl]

I thought they all died at the end of the Lowe-Wilde era,very surprised they are still breathing.

[The Kraken]

I find their tone,as reported, to be outrageous,and bordering on the disrespectful to Marcus Leibherr's family.

 

The Liebherr's are under no obligation to be answerable to a group of bumptious knobs who behave like 1970's shop stewards always seem intent on promoting a confrontation where none should exist.

 

Perhaps on reading of this the Liebherr's should just say "sorry,can't meet your requirements so we'll walk away.." or just "b0ll0cks to it" . I wonder where that would leave the shop stewards,and what they might seek if that happened.

 

I completely agree with you.

 

And I'd urge people to write to the Echo. If there is a significant reaction to this article, and indeed SISA's general f*ckwittery in future, they will be inclined to print those comments as a reaction piece. Which might have the ultimate goal of showing SISA up for the self-publicising minority they clearly are.

 

I've sent an email to Dan Kerins, which he has responded to me by stating I'm the only one to formally respond so far! However, my email will be forwarded to the Sports Editor. As will anyone else who takes the short time to write just a few lines condemning SISA's actions. So help me out, don't let me be seen as the sole nutter complaining to the press! There's a chance to put SISA back in their box here, let's take it.

[Thedelldays]

I completely agree with you.

 

And I'd urge people to write to the Echo. If there is a significant reaction to this article, and indeed SISA's general f*ckwittery in future, they will be inclined to print those comments as a reaction piece. Which might have the ultimate goal of showing SISA up for the self-publicising minority they clearly are.

 

I've sent an email to Dan Kerins, which he has responded to my stating I'm the only one to formally respond so far. So help me out, don't let me be seen as the sole nutter complaining to the press! There's a chance to put SISA back in their box here, let's take it.

 

how do you respond..?

put the link here

[The Kraken]

how do you respond..?

put the link here

 

Just send an email. Dan put his address up on here; dan.kerins@dailyecho.co.uk.

 

Also the general address for comment is echosport@dailyecho.co.uk.

[Danny]

how do you respond..?

put the link here

 

He emailed me at the address I gave earlier (dan.kerins@dailyecho.co.uk). I plan to leave the office in the next 10 minutes though, so you'll have to be quick else it won't be read until Monday.

[Dr Who?]

If we have a group like this can they not be around through thick and thin. Meetings every month.

 

I still think there needs to be a group to bridge the gap between the club and the fans. Do not need to know everything but just to put points acrosss and share ideas. After all we are customers as well as fans of the club!

 

Everytime things are not going well out they come.

 

I expect the club will sell up after 5 year plan is up or when we reach the promise land, but that is football and football club ownership!

[paulsfc]

Just what info do SISA want anyway? I don't recall Markus saying I will invest X this season, Y the next etc. We didn't even really know how much money he had (and neither should we). We had a 5 year, then 3 year plan to get the club to the prem. Cortese has said it's still on and the Liebherr's are committed to fulfilling Markus dream. NA has said this week that the plan is for the club to be a top 10 prem team. Honestly what the hell do they want???

 

They don't speak for me but then again i'm not sure any fans group would really. The only way it could be done would be proper democracy and have a vote everytime a fans group wished to make a statement. e.g. we (the fans group) want to make a statement about NA's appt. Do you think he is the right man for the job? Then as part of the statement they say x% think he is the right man and here are some of the reasons they think that.

 

Otherwise it's always going to end up as one blokes opinion presenting it as lots of peoples opinion

[Scottydog67]

Boring nonsense!!

[offix]

very presumptuous of ANY group of unorganized people to act as if they are speaking on behalf of anybody else. Especially given their rather pompous, radical views

[Crazy Diamond]

I've seen a lot whilst supporting Saints, but I can say I've never been as embarrassed to be a fan as I was when Sky Sports News gave Richard Chorley his Arthur Scargill moment, spouting his utter tosh and promoting his '30 pieces of silver' incident. It was humiliating. That man didn't represent me, yet he felt more than qualified to say that as I supporter, I felt X about Y, etc etc. Chorley and Illingsworth ought to realise they are relics, and as such must be confined to the history books - frankly, they'd love that too, to be remembered at all, as I am fairly sure they do enjoy their exposure in the public eye that they receive when claiming to represent me and other fans.

 

However it is near impossible for a media source to go and find the view of every single Southampton fan on the street and then be 100% accurate in their reporting, so I have sympathy when the Echo resorts to consulting a group claiming to represent a wide array of views when reporting. They though must realise by researching more thoroughly that these groups represent naff all people these days and that their views and actions should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

To be fair to the Echo, there is nothing that they can do to please us. A lot of the time they produce some pretty terrible stories or stories that get accused of being overly negative or not in the greater interests of the club they report on - but we'd just as easily be annoyed if they weren't doing what they were paid to do, which is churning out stories day after day.

 

But what would I know, I'm just one of them, a filthy hack...!

[Stuntman Mike]

I agree - and they will continue with this until it's made abundantly clear to the Echo and other media that SISA don't speak for anyone but themselves.

 

When it comes to groupings of Saints fans, this forum itself is as big as they get.

It might be an idea to run a poll on here ("Does SISA speak for you?") and then send the inevitable the results to A) The Echo, and B) The Club.

 

Once The Echo has received this, it's ethically obliged to point out in future articles that SISA certainly doesn't have widespread support.

 

Sorry to be devil's advocate here, but e-mailing the results of a poll from a couple of hundred Saints fans, most of whom are fairly like-minded (in that they use this forum), does not, unfortunately, discredit any other group.

SISA/Saints Trust probably still have as many supporters as the volume of people that would vote on a poll. So all you'd be doing is saying; "look, this 'supporters group' has discredited 2 other supporters groups as not being the voice of the fans. But we are ... "

 

It's ********. Just live and let live. If Illingsworth or Chorley or whoever are happy to put their names against some quotes, then fine, up to them. I couldn't care less, they don't speak for me, no one does in anything I do, but I don't care what they are doing. As they don't speak for me, I don't vet what they are doing.

[dune]

a poll from a couple of hundred Saints fans, most of whom are fairly like-minded.

 

It's nonsense to suggest everyone on here is like-minded. The issue isn't Nick or Mike giving a view to the press, it's the fact they are reported as fans leaders and given pompous titles. They are not fans leaders as the groups they claim to represent don't have any members.

Edited 17 September, 2010 by dune

[Stuntman Mike]

It's nonsense to suggest everyone on here is like-minded. The issue isn't Nick or Mike giving a view to the press, it's the fact they are reported as fans leaders and given pompous titles. They are not fans leaders as the groups they claim to represent don't have any members.

 

I beg to differ, most people on here are capable of moaning for Britain. This is has the biggest amount of moaners/complainers/whingers/negative people I've ever come across. I work with 6 other Saints fans (that I know), none of whom were interested (just for example) in talking about Lowe, moaning about Lambert, moaning about SISA, picking apart accounts of various companies interested in the takeover, etc. They just want to go to the ground, watch football, support the team and hopefully see a win. We may discuss tactics and players, that's it.

[dune]

I beg to differ, most people on here are capable of moaning for Britain. This is has the biggest amount of moaners/complainers/whingers/negative people I've ever come across. I work with 6 other Saints fans (that I know), none of whom were interested (just for example) in talking about Lowe, moaning about Lambert, moaning about SISA, picking apart accounts of various companies interested in the takeover, etc. They just want to go to the ground, watch football, support the team and hopefully see a win. We may discuss tactics and players, that's it.

 

And do you think most of us are any different when we're down the pub. It may come as a shock to you that we don't all wear name badges, pass post it notes to each other, and hold up smiley cards so as not to give the wrong impression. Well not all of us anyway.

Edited 17 September, 2010 by dune

[Topcat]

Dune, your proposal (another thread) to run surveys leading to press releases would remove the ability of SISA and the Trust to give their opinions. They could only "echo" the survey results.

[Secret Site Agent]

Keys to a good Business CEO.

1. Respect your customers and communicate well. (FAIL).

2. Treat your line reports with respect and have clear lines of delegation. (FAIL)

3. Ensure that the vital parts of the Business have the first call on resources. (FAIL)

 

We are not 'Customers' or 'Fans', we are stake-holders. Inviting a select few of the stakeholders to a one-to-one meeting for me is an improvement over Philip Clarke or Euan Sutherland. I must ask, like I have asked in the past, how do you know he doesn't do any of this? How do you know what sort of CEO he is, as he is not in the spotlight? Is it all these so called disgruntled employees that are only known to the select few, but never leak anything to the press or on here? Is it what is printed in the press with the tag lines 'Alledged' 'A source' 'a close friend' 'someone close to..' 'we belive', all designed as a get out clause if a legal writ comes running. (During the John Alford sting for drugs, the NoW removed the 'alledged' expression in later editions after it became clear he wasn't able to sue, and never once used it in stories from their phone tapping, alledgedly). Is it because Alan Pardew is on record as saying he is these things? No, it's all assumption. And we all think he' s an evil bastardos until the truth comes out.

 

Stakeholder: Mr Cortese you evil bastard. How dare you take away our right to get season tickets through a payment plan. How can we afford it now?

 

NC: Well, 30 % of people stopped paying the installments and still came to the games, effectively for free. I am worried that once word gets out, this will increase to not only a large portion of the 60 %, but to people who never had a season ticket before. I think it is unfair that ALL tickets would have to go up for ALL fans just tpo cover this lost revenue, and as we don't have the capability to police it at this time, I think it's best to do away with it until we can. There are other ways of getting them on credit.

 

Stakeholder: Oh. Um........Your probably right. But your still evil because StuRomsey Saint and dave Benson Phillips have both spoken to someone in the club who says EVERYONE who works for you thinks you are.

 

NC: Where did they say that?

 

Stakeholder: Well, i'm not sure they actually said that, and I can't find where they posted it, and I know he isn't your biggest fan, (and I know there are the same feller) but they must have done.

 

 

Yes. There we go rumour and inuendo. I know for a fact that Wayne Rooney pestered the friend of the Prostitute becasue I saw the picture in the paper. Or did I just see him asking her if he could just get by.

[landford.saint]

I totally agree with everything they have said on this matter and any normal Saints would as well.

 

as for it being bullsh1t, LOL

 

Irony, sarcasm, toungue-in-cheek it must be ... Because I cant believe "any normal Saints" woulsd totally agree with all or any of this. this post was surely a case of a missing smiley winky face thingey

[Viking Warrior]

SISA and co are so disrespectful to the late Markus and now his family. NC has stated the family are in it for the long haul.

I mentined in a thread the other week they were back on the scene.

 

Seems like SISA are making more comebacks than an aging pop star. They have disbanded so many times. They do not have any membership. They claimed once I was a lifelong sisa member as I put £1 in their bucket.

Well RC, PM and CF and MC you divided the fans on one or more occassion and every time you rear your ugly heads you anger us genuine fans even more . so do us all a favour and crawl back and stay in your little hole

[landford.saint]

I am not happy for Cortese to carry on as this self appointed dictator showing zero business acumen. He needs to be held accountable. The Liebherr family may assume that everything is ok under Cortse and that we are still on schedule for automatic promotion under the "lots of games left" dream. After this article and the other one from the NB chap in the Echo word will get back to them (via press cuttings services quoting their family name) that everything is not ok. They can of course choose to ignore it.

 

Surely another post that is just missing that smiley winkey face thingey.... I keep trying to tell people that irony/sarcasm doesn't work in the writrten word.

[landford.saint]

SISA THE TRUST THE ECHO All never let the truth get in the way of a good story.... And if there are any inconvenient facts they will just ignore them and carry on with their own version of events based on rumours and innuendo's.

[John B]

The rag-tag lovers of self-promotion, SISA, are at it again in today's Echo, demanding that the Liebherr family offer a public assurance to supporters regarding the future stability of the club.

 

According to SISA, the Liebherr family are now "duty bound to listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company. If the family are committed to the club's welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans' perspectives and that committment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the club's progress above Mr Cortese".

 

Personally, i think that if SISA themselves were in any way committed to the club's welfare rather than promoting their own weird self-interests, they'd shut the f*ck up for once and give their whole desperate need for publicity a good rest. The rest of their public statement is a complete pile of jumped-up incendiary nonsense, and shows their moribund association up for the spiteful argumentative non-entity it really is.

 

By the way, if anyone wants to go their meeting to tag along with their bullsh1t, it's happening at 1.30pm at Northam Social Club.

 

I dont think you understand the working of a supporters club

 

Go a long and see what they are saying

 

Perhaps we dont need one I dont know but it would be a good idea to know what is happening at SFC and give some input to Cortese.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

It's ********. Just live and let live. If Illingsworth or Chorley or whoever are happy to put their names against some quotes, then fine, up to them. I couldn't care less, they don't speak for me, no one does in anything I do, but I don't care what they are doing. As they don't speak for me, I don't vet what they are doing.

 

My worry is if the local paper is giving this 'group' exposure suggesting they are the voice of the fans are the Liebherr family able to dismiss is it as easily as most who know who SISA, The Trust, OCallaghan, Illingsworth etc... really are ? a quick search will find that they are quoted in the media on numerous occassions so fear their positions may be propelled.

[Brussels Saint]

I am not happy for Cortese to carry on as this self appointed dictator showing zero business acumen. He needs to be held accountable. The Liebherr family may assume that everything is ok under Cortse and that we are still on schedule for automatic promotion under the "lots of games left" dream. After this article and the other one from the NB chap in the Echo word will get back to them (via press cuttings services quoting their family name) that everything is not ok. They can of course choose to ignore it.

 

Not self-appointed Topcat. Appointed by Markus Liebherr who stated he would only take the club over if Nicola would run it. ML had worked with NC for years, knew his management style and also saw it during the time he was alive. Nicola runs the club as Markus wanted.

[The Kraken]

I dont think you understand the working of a supporters club

 

Go a long and see what they are saying

 

Perhaps we dont need one I dont know but it would be a good idea to know what is happening at SFC and give some input to Cortese.

 

John, I think it's perhaps you that don't understand the concept of a supporters club. I'll explain why.

 

A supporters club exists to reflect the views of its members, and then to publicise those views in an effort to exert change. In the instance of SISA, they are holding a meeting on Saturday to discuss the demand for a Liebherr public statement. However, SISA have already gone public with their views. Surely the meeting should be to canvass ALL their members, find from that what the consensus of opinion is, and then make public statements in line with those views.

 

What has happened here is that one oerson (Mike O'Callaghan, I presume) has formed an opinion where he thinks the Liebherr's need to speak out. He has drafted a public statement, sent it to the Echo, and they have printed it. He has also invited people to come along and discuss it at a meeting tomorrow. Why? What is there to discuss? If I and many others were to turn up and voice my opinion that I think the public statement request is completely wrong, what good would it do? Would SISA offer a public retraction if enough people disagreed? No, they simply wouldn't.

 

A supporters group exists to gauge and promote the collective views of a group of fans.

 

SISA do not have a "collective view". They do not canvass their "members". They are simply not run as a group, they are a title for a bunch of individiuals to hang round their neck to promote personal views.

Edited 17 September, 2010 by The Kraken

[Wade Garrett]

Who do SISA think they are, issuing demands to the same Liebherr family that saved us from going out of existence.

 

They are a load of political wannabees who represent nobody but themselves.

 

Thick useless c*nts, would be nice if they just disappeared, but it won't happen while they get fed the oxygen of publicity. I detest them.

[Toadhall Saint]

I do think it about time SISA disbanded.

I do think it about time the Echo realiase they speak for no one anymore.

 

There was a time in the 90s when they fulfilled a useful function and had an element of democracy about them but that was then.

 

Do we need an organisation to represent supporter's views anymore?

 

I really don't know, but one thing I do know Nicola Cortesa is under no obligation to listen to anyone if he doesn't want to.

 

Agreed FF BTW who are SISA now? Is it Perry M, Nick I and whats his face - gingerish hair?

[ringwood]

Incorrect. I have nothing against SISA/Saints trust existing, that's entirely up to them. i personally think they serve absolutely no worthwhile purpose, but if their "members" want them to continue, that's up to them.

 

What I very much object to is a group of a handful of people being falsely represented in the local and national media as spokespersons for the entire fan base. And I should note; I blame the Echo most of all for this, as it is only the publicity they give that causes these non-entities to continue. Everyone knows that SISA consists of a handful of people yet the Echo continues to promote as them as the voice of all fans.

 

So can I ask who does represent the entire fan base? there certainly not every fan in any one organisation

How many members does the Trust or SISA have? have you had sight of the membership lists?

 

The Echo allows replies to all its articles, and very rarely do the replies all follow the same view, why don't you join either SISA or the Trust and change from within? Not a member of either personally and don't feel the need to join either, like this forum they raise items for debate, they get people thinking outside the box, thats how things evolve, just because someone has a different viewpoint and they manage to air their views in a public media does that mean they should be censored or banned or their organization disbanded?

 

If we all thought that way I wouldn't be able to reply here and SISA and the Trust may campaign to have the Forum with its opposing views closed because it doesn't talk for the entire fan base.

 

I see the issue as being with the papers , and perhaps thats Cortese's viewpoint, the papers will report anything that gives a headline and sells copy hence why that idiot with the tats n hat gets published for the Skates yet it seems is detested by most Skates.

[The Kraken]

Ringwood, I'll give you benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven't read my other posts on the matter (or indeed properly read my quote that you posted).

 

In fact I'll quote it again for you. "I have nothing against SISA/Saints trust existing, that's entirely up to them. i personally think they serve absolutely no worthwhile purpose, but if their "members" want them to continue, that's up to them."

 

What I do have a problem with, as I have previously stated and as you yourself hint at, is the Echo publishing quotes from SISA / Saints Trust under the description "Fans' chief"". That mistakenly gives the impression that a significant body of fans are voicing an opinion, when that simply isn't true.

 

You ask why I don't join SISA or the Saints trust and change from within? It's a very simple answer, and one that I've previously given. I think they serve no worthwhile purpose any more. The information age was very different back when SISA were originally formed, and abck then I'm perfectly willing to admit that they filled a need for the fans to have a collective voice. But now we have various messsage boards, the Official Site, fans forums, the Daily Echo paper has a right to reply as does it's website. In short, there are so many ways that fans can now have a voice that the need for a supporters association to trumpet the views of the unheard is simply redundant.

 

And that's my major point in all of this. SISA and the Saints Trust know that they don't speak for us all; they know they can't. Yet they continue to labour under their own self-impoortance just to appear in print. As Dan Kerins from the Echo said, more often than not it is SISA members contacting the Echo, and not the other way round. If the Echo simply accepted them for the defunct orgainsations they clearly are and deprived them of the oxygen of publicity they so crave it would solve the problem instantly.

[CanadaSaint]

Sorry to be devil's advocate here, but e-mailing the results of a poll from a couple of hundred Saints fans, most of whom are fairly like-minded (in that they use this forum), does not, unfortunately, discredit any other group.

SISA/Saints Trust probably still have as many supporters as the volume of people that would vote on a poll. So all you'd be doing is saying; "look, this 'supporters group' has discredited 2 other supporters groups as not being the voice of the fans. But we are ... "

 

It's ********. Just live and let live. If Illingsworth or Chorley or whoever are happy to put their names against some quotes, then fine, up to them. I couldn't care less, they don't speak for me, no one does in anything I do, but I don't care what they are doing. As they don't speak for me, I don't vet what they are doing.

 

Mike, I probably don't need to reply to your response to my suggestion that we run a poll because others have done so, and because the results of the poll speak far more clearly than I ever could.

 

However, I should point out that it's far more than "a couple of hundred Saints fans" (it's heading for 500) and that any suggestion that they are "fairly like-minded" is somewhat laughable if you've read this forum for any length of time; just using this forum doesn't make them like-minded regarding Club affairs. (Ironically the poll results show that the only way in which they are like-minded is in asserting that they are not like-minded. )

 

The frustration is that, by quoting them and attaching the name of an organization, the Echo is - inadvertently or deliberately - projecting the views of certain organizations as though they are representative. That can mislead outsiders, decision-makers and even the Club's owners in an embarrassing and possibly even dangerous way.

 

The point behind the poll was to make it crystal clear to the Echo that these views are NOT necessarily representative and should not be held out to be so - even inadvertently.

 

In my view it has done that, and the ball is now in the Echo's court.

[John B]

John, I think it's perhaps you that don't understand the concept of a supporters club. I'll explain why.

 

A supporters club exists to reflect the views of its members, and then to publicise those views in an effort to exert change. In the instance of SISA, they are holding a meeting on Saturday to discuss the demand for a Liebherr public statement. However, SISA have already gone public with their views. Surely the meeting should be to canvass ALL their members, find from that what the consensus of opinion is, and then make public statements in line with those views.

 

What has happened here is that one oerson (Mike O'Callaghan, I presume) has formed an opinion where he thinks the Liebherr's need to speak out. He has drafted a public statement, sent it to the Echo, and they have printed it. He has also invited people to come along and discuss it at a meeting tomorrow. Why? What is there to discuss? If I and many others were to turn up and voice my opinion that I think the public statement request is completely wrong, what good would it do? Would SISA offer a public retraction if enough people disagreed? No, they simply wouldn't.

 

A supporters group exists to gauge and promote the collective views of a group of fans.

 

SISA do not have a "collective view". They do not canvass their "members". They are simply not run as a group, they are a title for a bunch of individiuals to hang round their neck to promote personal views.

 

This is the quote

 

At present there appears to be no individual or group appointed to monitor chairman Nicola Cortese in his running of the club. Decisions regarding the sacking of Alan Pardew, attempts to prise money out of the media sources for match day photosand the abandonment of the popular season ticket installment scheme have done much damage to the image of the club and its relationship withe the fanbase. We have seen what happens at Southampton before, when a man with no football experience at running a football club tries to impose his will over everyone and everything within the club infrastructure. But in the past at least there where other directors who could make a belated stand and challlenge the chairman. Currently there appears to be nobody with an independent body of experience and authority at St Marys to ensure democractic perspectives.

 

As regards the Liebherrs they are duty bound to now listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company.

 

If the family are committed to the clubs welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans perspectives and that commitment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the clubs progress above Mr Cortese. Whilst SISA is indeed grateful to Marcus saving the club, like all fans, we no believe that there has to be serious consultations and a firm assurance that his family remain excited and committed to the club and that somebody within their ranks will be taking acknowledged responsibility for ensuring the Chairmans conduct and behaviour warrants the position of custodianship that he has been granted.

 

It is the emotional and financial commitment of Saints supporters and the continuing impressive attendances that ultimately ensured Markus's decision to invest in the club. Without that, it would not have been an attractive or sensible decision. Southampton FC is a precious social institution that ultimately onlu survives on the goodwill and passion of its supporters. Mr Cortese would do well to now realise that.

 

They want to know what other supporters think

[The Kraken]

John, I'm perfectly aware what the quote is, being as I was the one who (a) raised the post on here and (b) sent a letter to the Echo condemning it.

 

I don't agree at all with that statement. I don't agree the Liebherr's are duty bound to listen to supporters. I don't believe we need any more firm assurances as to their committment to the club, we've already had them.

 

The only thing I do believe is that this is an incendiary public statement designed to undermine Nicola Cortese all in the name of "giving the fans a collective voice".

 

You say they want to know what other supporters think, so answer me this. If they cared that much what other supporters think, why didn't they consult other supporters BEFORE issuing such a controversial public demand?

[Marsdinho]

John, I'm perfectly aware what the quote is, being as I was the one who (a) raised the post on here and (b) sent a letter to the Echo condemning it.

 

I don't agree at all with that statement. I don't agree the Liebherr's are duty bound to listen to supporters. I don't believe we need any more firm assurances as to their committment to the club, we've already had them.

 

The only thing I do believe is that this is an incendiary public statement designed to undermine Nicola Cortese all in the name of "giving the fans a collective voice".

 

You say they want to know what other supporters think, so answer me this. If they cared that much what other supporters think, why didn't they consult other supporters BEFORE issuing such a controversial public demand?

 

And...

 

Why didnt the Saints Trust poll its members before publicly criticising the lack of installment plans.

[Topcat]

Not self-appointed Topcat. Appointed by Markus Liebherr who stated he would only take the club over if Nicola would run it. ML had worked with NC for years, knew his management style and also saw it during the time he was alive. Nicola runs the club as Markus wanted.

 

After Marcus death, who is Cortese accountable to?

[trousers]

After Marcus death, who is Cortese accountable to?

 

The current owner(s)? Just a hunch

[The Kraken]

After Marcus death, who is Cortese accountable to?

 

The Liebherr family.

[dune]

And...

 

Why didnt the Saints Trust poll its members before publicly criticising the lack of installment plans.

 

Maybe them not having any members was a factor.

[Toomer]

And...

 

Why didnt the Saints Trust poll its members before publicly criticising the lack of installment plans.

 

The reason The Trust did not poll its member with regard to the installment plan, now let me think, there are no members anymore.

[saint_mears]

After Marcus death, who is Cortese accountable to?

 

The same people Cortese used to work for as they now look after the club with other stuff he invested into.

[RonManager]

Crikey, talk about a threatening letter!