SISA at it again

[The Kraken]

The rag-tag lovers of self-promotion, SISA, are at it again in today's Echo, demanding that the Liebherr family offer a public assurance to supporters regarding the future stability of the club.

 

According to SISA, the Liebherr family are now "duty bound to listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company. If the family are committed to the club's welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans' perspectives and that committment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the club's progress above Mr Cortese".

 

Personally, i think that if SISA themselves were in any way committed to the club's welfare rather than promoting their own weird self-interests, they'd shut the f*ck up for once and give their whole desperate need for publicity a good rest. The rest of their public statement is a complete pile of jumped-up incendiary nonsense, and shows their moribund association up for the spiteful argumentative non-entity it really is.

 

By the way, if anyone wants to go their meeting to tag along with their bullsh1t, it's happening at 1.30pm at Northam Social Club.

[JackFrost]

The rag-tag lovers of self-promotion, SISA, are at it again in today's Echo, demanding that the Liebherr family offer a public assurance to supporters regarding the future stability of the club.

 

According to SISA, the Liebherr family are now "duty bound to listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company. If the family are committed to the club's welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans' perspectives and that committment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the club's progress above Mr Cortese".

 

Personally, i think that if SISA themselves were in any way committed to the club's welfare rather than promoting their own weird self-interests, they'd shut the f*ck up for once and give their whole desperate need for publicity a good rest. The rest of their public statement is a complete pile of jumped-up incendiary nonsense, and shows their moribund association up for the spiteful argumentative non-entity it really is.

 

By the way, if anyone wants to go their meeting to tag along with their bullsh1t, it's happening at 1.30pm at Northam Social Club.

 

I thought they already had.

 

As for SISA the meetings they organise are about as effective as the meetings the rest of us don't organise. They are far more interested in revelling in negative publicity about Saints, than actually supporting Saints.

 

I hope they aren't serving tea and biscuits at that meeting, I do hate to see food and drink being wasted.

[ladysaint]

By the way, if anyone wants to go their meeting to tag along with their bullsh1t, it's happening at 1.30pm at Northam Social Club.

Hope this is not on Saturday?

[The Kraken]

Hope this is not on Saturday?

 

 

According to the Echo, yes, this Saturday.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I do think it about time SISA disbanded.

I do think it about time the Echo realiase they speak for no one anymore.

 

There was a time in the 90s when they fulfilled a useful function and had an element of democracy about them but that was then.

 

Do we need an organisation to represent supporter's views anymore?

 

I really don't know, but one thing I do know Nicola Cortesa is under no obligation to listen to anyone if he doesn't want to.

Edited 16 September, 2010 by Fitzhugh Fella

[ladysaint]

Unfortuantely they are going to have a captured audience then.

[The Kraken]

I do think it about time SISA disbanded.

I do think it about time the Echo realiase they speak for no one anymore.

 

There was a time in the 90s when they fulfilled a useful function and had an element of democracy about them but that was then.

 

Do we need an organisation to represent supporter's views anymore?

 

I really don't know, but one thing I do now Nicola Cortesa is under no obligation to listen to anyone if he doesn't want to.

 

I agree with all that; the bit in bold is the one that annoys me the most. The Echo know that SISA speak for no-one but a tiny collection of publicity hungry individuals; yet they continue to give them the publicity they crave as it fills column inches without them having to do much research. Lazy journalism.

[Foxstone]

They have obviously been listening too much to Bob Crow !

[Marsdinho]

I think it funny that some no mark retarded mongs think they "deserve" transparency from the Liebherr family.

 

You dont hear anything out of them for ages, then they pop up demanding answers.

 

***ts

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Can't we start some sort of petition to have these losers shut down? Or at least stop being quoted as the voice of the fans.

[derry]

The four idiots embark on another dead end journey of self delusion. Isn't the statement classic Chorley with the sound turned down?

[Guy]

They were amongst the loudest voices campaigning against the PLC structure which did give rights of 'transparency' to shareholders (and therefore the fanbase as a whole).

 

They got their wish with a private takeover and the lack of comms is just the cost we and they have to live with.

[CanadaSaint]

I agree with all that; the bit in bold is the one that annoys me the most. The Echo know that SISA speak for no-one but a tiny collection of publicity hungry individuals; yet they continue to give them the publicity they crave as it fills column inches without them having to do much research. Lazy journalism.

 

I agree - and they will continue with this until it's made abundantly clear to the Echo and other media that SISA don't speak for anyone but themselves.

 

When it comes to groupings of Saints fans, this forum itself is as big as they get.

 

It might be an idea to run a poll on here ("Does SISA speak for you?") and then send the inevitable the results to A) The Echo, and B) The Club.

 

Once The Echo has received this, it's ethically obliged to point out in future articles that SISA certainly doesn't have widespread support.

[JackFrost]

I agree with all that; the bit in bold is the one that annoys me the most. The Echo know that SISA speak for no-one but a tiny collection of publicity hungry individuals; yet they continue to give them the publicity they crave as it fills column inches without them having to do much research. Lazy journalism.

 

and that is why they are still going, their an easy source of information for lazy journalists. Even Sky fell for them and did a televised interview with Chorley when he decided to throw coins at Lowe during the AGM a few years back. That report really got under my skin in his 5 mins of self proclaimed "speaking for all of the fans".

 

They lost all their remaining credibility when they threw all their support behind Wilde in '07, only for the man himself to team up with Lowe again.

 

I must say Chorley's OPEN LETTERS posted on here provided some great entertainment a few years back, purely on comedic grounds.

Edited 16 September, 2010 by JackFrost

[Wes Tender]

I agree - and they will continue with this until it's made abundantly clear to the Echo and other media that SISA don't speak for anyone but themselves.

 

When it comes to groupings of Saints fans, this forum itself is as big as they get.

 

It might be an idea to run a poll on here ("Does SISA speak for you?") and then send the inevitable the results to A) The Echo, and B) The Club.

 

Once The Echo has received this, it's ethically obliged to point out in future articles that SISA certainly doesn't have widespread support.

 

Good idea. Let's do it please Mods.

[The Kraken]

Good idea. Let's do it please Mods.

 

I'd love for this to happen, once and for all. Lets find out some answers to some simple questions:

 

How many fans are members of SISA?

 

How many fans are members of the Saints Trust?

 

How many fans do SISA claim to represent?

 

How many fans do the Saints Trust claim to represent?

 

How many fans are happy for SISA/Saints Trust to speak for them? (And lets be straight here, the Echo's headline is "Fans want Liebherr family assurances", and Mike O'Callaghan from SISA and Illingsworth from Saints Trust are often referred to as "Fans Chief", so they are being seen as representing fans as a whole.

[once_bitterne]

Did anyone ever get a copy of the thesis Chorley promised to write after meeting with the local MPs detailing SISA's thoughts on the future of the club?

 

I think last time he popped up here he claimed that SISA wasn't a supporters group anymore, it was an 'organic lobby group'.....

 

I miss Chuckles Chorley's posts tho. They invariably started with him mentioning that he had bumped into someone's Mum at the shops, would then contunue until he was asked a difficult question whereby he would say he had to nip pout to take his girlfriend to get her hair done. On his return he would soon lose his rag and post his mobile number and encourage people to ring him up for a 'chat'.

 

I think he is a bit lonely.

[Wes Tender]

I'd love for this to happen, once and for all. Lets find out some answers to some simple questions:

 

How many fans are members of SISA?

 

How many fans are members of the Saints Trust?

 

How many fans do SISA claim to represent?

 

How many fans do the Saints Trust claim to represent?

 

How many fans are happy for SISA/Saints Trust to speak for them? (And lets be straight here, the Echo's headline is "Fans want Liebherr family assurances", and Mike O'Callaghan from SISA and Illingsworth from Saints Trust are often referred to as "Fans Chief", so they are being seen as representing fans as a whole.

 

The last one is the important one; Are you happy that SISA speaks on your behalf?

 

Come on Mods. Let's have this poll and then send the results to the media who use those organisations as being somehow the mouthpiece of the fan base and prove to them once and for all that they represent mostly only themselves.

[Thedelldays]

The last one is the important one; Are you happy that SISA speaks on your behalf?

 

Come on Mods. Let's have this poll and then send the results to the media who use those organisations as being somehow the mouthpiece of the fan base and prove to them once and for all that they represent mostly only themselves.

 

no chance...will never happen..

[dune]

SISA speaks for Chorley and McMillan.

 

The Saints Trust speaks for Illingsworth.

 

Neither speaks for Saints fans.

[docker-p]

I agree - and they will continue with this until it's made abundantly clear to the Echo and other media that SISA don't speak for anyone but themselves.

 

When it comes to groupings of Saints fans, this forum itself is as big as they get.

 

It might be an idea to run a poll on here ("Does SISA speak for you?") and then send the inevitable the results to A) The Echo, and B) The Club.

 

Once The Echo has received this, it's ethically obliged to point out in future articles that SISA certainly doesn't have widespread support.

All this would prove is that SISA does or does not represent the users of Saintsweb. As interesting a site as this is, I don't think it is ever a fair representation of Saints fans as a whole.

[RonManager]

no chance...will never happen..

 

Yep, it's all secret handshakes and funny trousers with that lot. Thick as thieves they are, I tells ya.

[channonwindmill]

They are far more interested in revelling in negative publicity about Saints, than actually supporting Saints.

 

Much like the Echo. They make a good team.

[The Kraken]

The last one is the important one; Are you happy that SISA speaks on your behalf?

 

Come on Mods. Let's have this poll and then send the results to the media who use those organisations as being somehow the mouthpiece of the fan base and prove to them once and for all that they represent mostly only themselves.

 

Dan Kerins seems to get half of his material from this site; he seems to give the anti SISA/Saints Trust threads a miss though.

[CanadaSaint]

All this would prove is that SISA does or does not represent the users of Saintsweb. As interesting a site as this is, I don't think it is ever a fair representation of Saints fans as a whole.

 

You're right, of course, docker.

 

But my point was that this is the largest accessible grouping of Saints fans out there, so the results of the poll would still be quite compelling.

 

Once those results land on The Echo's desk, it's not as easy for them to refer to SISA as "the voice of the fans".

 

It's either that or stand quietly by while Chorley and Co (and others) speak for us.

[Foxstone]

You're right, of course, docker.

 

But my point was that this is the largest accessible grouping of Saints fans out there, so the results of the poll would still be quite compelling.

 

Once those results land on The Echo's desk, it's not as easy for them to refer to SISA as "the voice of the fans".

 

It's either that or stand quietly by while Chorley and Co (and others) speak for us.

 

It would be a relief if they only spoke - Usually its Tubthump a load of ideological drivel.

[dune]

Thank **** Bob Crow isn't a Saints fan as him and Chorley would make a good pair of book ends.

[derry]

I'd like to have the chance to vote on a poll.

[SB]

Whoever was top dog for whichever trust they'd always be hated, people on the outside of the circle naturally dislike those within the circle..

[The Kraken]

Whoever was top dog for whichever trust they'd always be hated, people on the outside of the circle naturally dislike those within the circle..

 

Incorrect. I have nothing against SISA/Saints trust existing, that's entirely up to them. i personally think they serve absolutely no worthwhile purpose, but if their "members" want them to continue, that's up to them.

 

What I very much object to is a group of a handful of people being falsely represented in the local and national media as spokespersons for the entire fan base. And I should note; I blame the Echo most of all for this, as it is only the publicity they give that causes these non-entities to continue. Everyone knows that SISA consists of a handful of people yet the Echo continues to promote as them as the voice of all fans.

[Foxstone]

Whoever was top dog for whichever trust they'd always be hated, people on the outside of the circle naturally dislike those within the circle..

 

But there is not enough of them to form a circle !!

[saint_mears]

The rag-tag lovers of self-promotion, SISA, are at it again in today's Echo, demanding that the Liebherr family offer a public assurance to supporters regarding the future stability of the club.

 

According to SISA, the Liebherr family are now "duty bound to listen to the supporters who fund the club and the limited company. If the family are committed to the club's welfare their first concern would be to acknowledge fans' perspectives and that committment can only be confirmed with an announcement clarifying exactly who is monitoring the club's progress above Mr Cortese".

 

Personally, i think that if SISA themselves were in any way committed to the club's welfare rather than promoting their own weird self-interests, they'd shut the f*ck up for once and give their whole desperate need for publicity a good rest. The rest of their public statement is a complete pile of jumped-up incendiary nonsense, and shows their moribund association up for the spiteful argumentative non-entity it really is.

 

By the way, if anyone wants to go their meeting to tag along with their bullsh1t, it's happening at 1.30pm at Northam Social Club.

 

 

I totally agree with everything they have said on this matter and any normal Saints would as well.

 

as for it being bullsh1t, LOL

[Ian the Red]

SISA and the Saints trust are a complete waste of space run by looooosers who have no idea. They certainly DO NOT SPEAK FOR SAINTS FANS and the Club and local ragg should know this point.

[Foxstone]

I totally agree with everything they have said on this matter and any normal Saints would as well.

as for it being bullsh1t, LOL

 

No they would'nt !

 

You must be one of the SISA few - Assuming what you say is gospel when the overwhelming majority do not want to be associated with such drivel.

Edited 16 September, 2010 by Foxstone

[The Kraken]

No they would'nt !

 

You must be one of the SISA few - Assuming what you say is gospel when the overwhelming majority do not want to be associated with such drivel.

 

I think Saint Mears has adequately proved the point of the whole thread!

[JackFrost]

I think Saint Mears has adequately proved the point of the whole thread!

 

unless he's richard chorley under a different alias

[CanadaSaint]

I totally agree with everything they have said on this matter and any normal Saints would as well.

 

I think Saint Mears has adequately proved the point of the whole thread!

 

 

I'm sure he strongly supports the idea of a poll to establish whether he is or isn't normal.

 

Don't you saint_mears?

[Seany S]

Unfortuantely they are going to have a captured audience then.

 

Awwww bugger. I live literally opposite the club in Augustine Road and it is my pre-game pint venue. I think I might just have a few cans at home rather than listen to whatever cobblers that shower of turds have to say.

[Matthew Le God]

Why does the Daily Echo continue to give SISA and the Saints Trust an outlet to spout this rubbish?

[Topcat]

No harm in someone asking for the clarity. Chance of Cortese responding? Zero. But if the Liebherrs are reassessing Cortese's role anything that hits the press like this will encourage them to put Cortese under closer scrutiny.

 

SISA may not represent anyone except 6 people, but at least they are trying.

[CanadaSaint]

No harm in someone asking for the clarity. Chance of Cortese responding? Zero. But if the Liebherrs are reassessing Cortese's role anything that hits the press like this will encourage them to put Cortese under closer scrutiny.

 

SISA may not represent anyone except 6 people, but at least they are trying.

 

Very trying.

[The Kraken]

No harm in someone asking for the clarity. Chance of Cortese responding? Zero. But if the Liebherrs are reassessing Cortese's role anything that hits the press like this will encourage them to put Cortese under closer scrutiny.

 

SISA may not represent anyone except 6 people, but at least they are trying.

 

You may not question their motives, but I certainly question their methods. What exactly are they trying to achieve? There has already been a public statement on behalf of the family that they will continue with Markus' wishes to support the club. This is just creating an argument with Cortese for their own selfish, self-publicing interests.

 

Yes, they may only represent 6 people. But that's my whole point, the Echo's promotion of such an otherwise insignificant number may have the misleading effect of suggesting that these people actually speak for a signigicant number of fans. 6 of them want answers to this question. It would seem from this thread alone that quite a few others don't want to badger the Liebherr family over such a trivial matter. Yet which is the one that always gains the ear of the local media, and how is that in any way fair and balanced reporting?

[100%Red&White]

SISA was a great organisation at the outset. From that first meeting in the 'Captains Corner' (or whatever it was called back then), throughout the Branfoot 'campaign' and Bally's 'Welcome Home' evening at a packed-out Polygon - a memorable night - it re-awakened a passion in many fans despairing at where their club was going.

 

But like the wonderful 'Ugly Inside' it eventually got too political and died many years ago.

 

I'll predict it could get a bit messy in the Northam Club on Saturday.

[Foxstone]

No harm in someone asking for the clarity. Chance of Cortese responding? Zero. But if the Liebherrs are reassessing Cortese's role anything that hits the press like this will encourage them to put Cortese under closer scrutiny.

 

SISA may not represent anyone except 6 people, but at least they are trying.

 

And here we are again !

I for one amongst countless others am quite happy for the Liebherr family to do as they seem fit, and also I do not ( as do countless others too) want Cortese's position re-assessed now either.

[Foxstone]

You may not question their motives, but I certainly question their methods. What exactly are they trying to achieve? There has already been a public statement on behalf of the family that they will continue with Markus' wishes to support the club. This is just creating an argument with Cortese for their own selfish, self-publicing interests.

 

Yes, they may only represent 6 people. But that's my whole point, the Echo's promotion of such an otherwise insignificant number may have the misleading effect of suggesting that these people actually speak for a signigicant number of fans. 6 of them want answers to this question. It would seem from this thread alone that quite a few others don't want to badger the Liebherr family over such a trivial matter. Yet which is the one that always gains the ear of the local media, and how is that in any way fair and balanced reporting?

 

Beautifully put !

[saint_mears]

SISA where right about Lowe from day 1

[Foxstone]

SISA where right about Lowe from day 1

 

And so were countless others who were not anything to do with SISA.

 

They are not great sages of our time - They just like to make mischief and are therefore wholly destructive and not constructive.

[JackFrost]

SISA where right about Lowe from day 1

 

So were many people.

 

SISA lost any remaining credibility when they threw their entire weight behind the Wilde takeover, shouting the "we got our club back" mantra from the rooftops and heralding it as a new era.

[fish fingers]

They get angry if you don't agree with them.

[trousers]

Why does the Daily Echo continue to give SISA and the Saints Trust an outlet to spout this rubbish?

 

Ask Danny who posts on here?