L Mac and MLT on form last night

[Daren W]

Nothing wrong with an opinion of course, and for the record I have great respect for all these people.

 

But there is a difference in giving a constructive opinion, or an opinion which might be regarded as destructive or has the potential to undermine the current club leadership, at a time when most fans appear not to want such undermining words placed in public !

They serve no great purpose at a time when we need to rally together and drive forward!

If these words/soundbites result in Cortese calling it a day and the Liebher Family withdrawing their patronage of the club, we face the summer of 2009 all over again.

 

Now what would you want ? Do you know of equally affluent and benevolent potential owners out there that could fill this void ??

 

Now part of me agrees with this... up to a point. But what you're effectively saying is that you don't want to hear something that you personally don't agree with.

 

No everyone thinks the new set up is as rosy as you. They have a right to be heard just as much as you do.

 

I'm heartily sick of hearing people writing off Le Tissier's or McMenemy's views as people being bitter without listening to their concerns...

 

And for the record, I'm more pro Cortese than anti....

Edited 20 September, 2010 by Daren W

[Foxstone]

Now part of me agrees with this... up to a point. But what you're effectively saying is that you don't want to hear something that you personally don't agree with.

 

No everyone thinks the new set up is as rosy as you. They have a right to be heard just as much as you do.

 

I'm heartily sick of hearing people write off Le Tissier's or McMenemy's views as people being bitter without listening to their concerns...

 

And for the record, I'm more pro Cortese than anti....

 

Now I agree with you too Daren up to a point, and I have no problem with MLT/LM/MO giving their public views, provided they are mounted constructively.

 

The sentence I have highlighted is driven by my despair at the political infighting that totally hamstrung us from 2006 with the backbiting and destructive relationship under all of Lowe/Wilde/Crouch/Hone etc.

I longed for us to have a single decision maker with a coherent strategy to cut through all the crap and move us forward - I think most Saints fans wanted the same.

 

In Cortese ( and as you rightly point out I do like him) we have that person, and he also was a trusted associate and confidente of Markus so it is reasonable to assume his stock is similar with the Liebherr family too.

MLT/LM's opinions carry a great deal of weight in the media, and while they are perfectly entitles to their opinion, I beleive that the direct confrontational style I have heard could be better put that would still get their point across without seemingly undermining the current leadership.

 

Whether you like Cortese or not, currently he is the key to our well being and I would hate it if he felt that "media stories" undermined him so much that he walked away - Potentially with the Liebherr family too.

I do not see a Plan B of similar means and vision if that happens!

[Daren W]

Now I agree with you too Daren up to a point, and I have no problem with MLT/LM/MO giving their public views, provided they are mounted constructively.

 

The sentence I have highlighted is driven by my despair at the political infighting that totally hamstrung us from 2006 with the backbiting and destructive relationship under all of Lowe/Wilde/Crouch/Hone etc.

I longed for us to have a single decision maker with a coherent strategy to cut through all the crap and move us forward - I think most Saints fans wanted the same.

 

In Cortese ( and as you rightly point out I do like him) we have that person, and he also was a trusted associate and confidente of Markus so it is reasonable to assume his stock is similar with the Liebherr family too.

MLT/LM's opinions carry a great deal of weight in the media, and while they are perfectly entitles to their opinion, I beleive that the direct confrontational style I have heard could be better put that would still get their point across without seemingly undermining the current leadership.

 

Whether you like Cortese or not, currently he is the key to our well being and I would hate it if he felt that "media stories" undermined him so much that he walked away - Potentially with the Liebherr family too.

I do not see a Plan B of similar means and vision if that happens!

 

Nothing wrong in anything you've posted there, completely right in all aspects.... Bar one..

 

The highlighted part, what you have heard, third or fourth hand. A lot of those comments are made in private and then posted on here. A lot of the time these comments are a lot more forthright and not meant for public re-printing. How many times have any of us said one thing in company and then a more watered down, tactful version later on?

 

We're far better off with a single decision maker but let's not forget Lowe was a single decision maker at one stage too. Let's not be afraid to disagree with Cortese and say so tactfully and politely.

 

Personally I think we should stop printing other people's views on here third hand. Unless the likes of Matt or Mike Osman say it's ok, let's respect their right to express an opinion privately....

[Foxstone]

Nothing wrong in anything you've posted there, completely right in all aspects.... Bar one..

 

The highlighted part, what you have heard, third or fourth hand. A lot of those comments are made in private and then posted on here. A lot of the time these comments are a lot more forthright and not meant for public re-printing. How many times have any of us said one thing in company and then a more watered down, tactful version later on?

 

We're far better off with a single decision maker but let's not forget Lowe was a single decision maker at one stage too. Let's not be afraid to disagree with Cortese and say so tactfully and politely.

 

Personally I think we should stop printing other people's views on here third hand. Unless the likes of Matt or Mike Osman say it's ok, let's respect their right to express an opinion privately....

 

And I would agree with that !

 

The big difference for me in the Single Owner point is that Lowe's primary responsibility was towards the wellbeing of the PLC, while Cortese's is towards the legacy of Markus - And fortunately for us that means the footballing side!

Edited 20 September, 2010 by Foxstone
Added a Bit

[St_Tel49]

Nothing wrong in anything you've posted there, completely right in all aspects.... Bar one..

 

The highlighted part, what you have heard, third or fourth hand. A lot of those comments are made in private and then posted on here. A lot of the time these comments are a lot more forthright and not meant for public re-printing. How many times have any of us said one thing in company and then a more watered down, tactful version later on?

 

We're far better off with a single decision maker but let's not forget Lowe was a single decision maker at one stage too. Let's not be afraid to disagree with Cortese and say so tactfully and politely.

 

Personally I think we should stop printing other people's views on here third hand. Unless the likes of Matt or Mike Osman say it's ok, let's respect their right to express an opinion privately....

Isn't that the truth!?

[OldNick]

 

For me the best story was the lads saying about the text from nicola to pards 4 minutes after the 4:0 win

 

It read

 

Why did you only play prado for 5 minutes.

 

 

Then a row occurred and he was sacked.

 

 

 

Then Someone had the Brazilian put straight in the team.

what a load of tosh. if that was the case then why has Guly only played a few minutes since?

Before you spout the nonsense use your brain and think, 'can that be right?'

As for the past heroes, they have their right to an opinion but that doesn't mean it is correct. I notice derry said MLT didnt want Pinnacle, well that didn't seem to be at the time and wasn't there a mention he was happy to be chairman.

MLT was a footballing genius,a man of tremendous talent, i think i will leave the rest there.

[GenevaSaint]

The highlighted part, what you have heard, third or fourth hand. A lot of those comments are made in private and then posted on here. A lot of the time these comments are a lot more forthright and not meant for public re-printing. How many times have any of us said one thing in company and then a more watered down, tactful version later on?

 

We're far better off with a single decision maker but let's not forget Lowe was a single decision maker at one stage too. Let's not be afraid to disagree with Cortese and say so tactfully and politely.

 

Personally I think we should stop printing other people's views on here third hand. Unless the likes of Matt or Mike Osman say it's ok, let's respect their right to express an opinion privately....

 

Daren, I've got to disagree with you here. Personally I've no opinion on Mike Osman at all. But if people are going to say things in public, it was a public/charity event was it not, they should have the ****** to say them in the Echo or on here, or have their comments aired.

[jam]

Nothing wrong in anything you've posted there, completely right in all aspects.... Bar one..

 

The highlighted part, what you have heard, third or fourth hand. A lot of those comments are made in private and then posted on here. A lot of the time these comments are a lot more forthright and not meant for public re-printing. How many times have any of us said one thing in company and then a more watered down, tactful version later on?

 

We're far better off with a single decision maker but let's not forget Lowe was a single decision maker at one stage too. Let's not be afraid to disagree with Cortese and say so tactfully and politely.

 

Personally I think we should stop printing other people's views on here third hand. Unless the likes of Matt or Mike Osman say it's ok, let's respect their right to express an opinion privately....

 

While I'm not sure that a charity fund raising event counts as private, I'd say that this sums up the original complaint about the OP.

 

I don't want to join in with the FF bashing, there seems to be a bit of an unfair bandwagon going on at the moment, but I think the OP shows that this particular subject (the views of 'club legends' on NC) isn't really appropriate for a harmless aside.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I notice derry said MLT didnt want Pinnacle, well that didn't seem to be at the time.

 

Nick, Derry suggested Mike Osman was against Pinnacle.

 

Clearly MLT and LM do not favour NC's methods, their opinions will carry more weight than most due to the respect they earnt whilst with the club, however, not everything they have done since their time at the club has been without fault so would question their judgement as I would anothers, that said, if they use their status to raise a lot more money for a charitable cause than would be raised without them then that can only be a good thing, of course it would be easier if they simply re told stories of their days at such events but if you still have an interest in our club it would be difficult not to comment on current affairs.

 

Hope many more events are arranged for Kevin where fans may participate and contribute.

[OldNick]

Nick, Derry suggested Mike Osman was against Pinnacle.

 

Clearly MLT and LM do not favour NC's methods, their opinions will carry more weight than most due to the respect they earnt whilst with the club, however, not everything they have done since their time at the club has been without fault so would question their judgement as I would anothers, that said, if they use their status to raise a lot more money for a charitable cause than would be raised without them then that can only be a good thing, of course it would be easier if they simply re told stories of their days at such events but if you still have an interest in our club it would be difficult not to comment on current affairs.

 

Hope many more events are arranged for Kevin where fans may participate and contribute.

My bad then, and sorry to Derry for getting that wrong

[derry]

My bad then, and sorry to Derry for getting that wrong

 

No problem, Mike told me during the exclusivity that he thought Pinnacle couldn't raise the money and although he didn't know who the Swiss people were, he did know that they were blue chip. His worry was that the Swiss would walk away. I and his brothers talked to Mike about this thread which he looked at and to say that he was upset would be an understatement. He was at a loss to understand why people would think he was a free loader and a parasite when he gave so much of his time to charitable causes free of charge, he was that upset that he felt it just wasn't worth it.

 

I have talked to Mike quite a bit about the club and never once has he voiced any criticism about Cortese or the club despite me being obviously critical of Pardew. It is understandable that LM and MLT because of their SFC background could resent the new organisation that they are no longer part of.

[Viking Warrior]

Given the sensitivities of this hreadt it should now be closed

[Tokyo-Saint]

Player loyalty is very often misunderstood and over rated.

 

I know for a fact the Matt Le Tissier wanted to and had actually signed for spurs. He was allowed to pull out of the deal because HIS MRS (not him) did not want to move. Source - Matthew Le Tissier

 

The same can be said for Kelvin, although this is just a rumour so I can not claim it as fact.

 

Club legends were never as perfect as we remember them. Also because someone was amazing at football doesn't mean he is the sharpest tool in the box. With this in mind we should take what they say with a pinch of salt.

[The boy done well]

No problem, Mike told me during the exclusivity that he thought Pinnacle couldn't raise the money and although he didn't know who the Swiss people were, he did know that they were blue chip. His worry was that the Swiss would walk away. I and his brothers talked to Mike about this thread which he looked at and to say that he was upset would be an understatement. He was at a loss to understand why people would think he was a free loader and a parasite when he gave so much of his time to charitable causes free of charge, he was that upset that he felt it just wasn't worth it.

 

I have talked to Mike quite a bit about the club and never once has he voiced any criticism about Cortese or the club despite me being obviously critical of Pardew. It is understandable that LM and MLT because of their SFC background could resent the new organisation that they are no longer part of.

 

God, Derry, what have you done! Was that wise! The vast majority (the silent ones of course) would regard Mike Osman as a true Saint who obviously does loads for charity and is an all-round decent bloke. There's a small minority posting on here who hide behind an internet message board to spout huge amounts of vitriol aganst just about anyone who puts their head above the parapet.

 

I don't know him personally but I'm sure I speak for many who would like Mike to know that we ignore the idiots on here and he should do so too. They are not representative at all of how we feel and he should not be deterred or become dispirited in any way at all by them. They're just a bunch of "saddos" with a smattering of Skates.

[CityRanger]

God, Derry, what have you done! Was that wise! The vast majority (the silent ones of course) would regard Mike Osman as a true Saint who obviously does loads for charity and is an all-round decent bloke. There's a small minority posting on here who hide behind an internet message board to spout huge amounts of vitriol aganst just about anyone who puts their head above the parapet.

 

I don't know him personally but I'm sure I speak for many who would like Mike to know that we ignore the idiots on here and he should do so too. They are not representative at all of how we feel and he should not be deterred or become dispirited in any way at all by them. They're just a bunch of "saddos" with a smattering of Skates.

 

TBDWell agree totally mate. Derry tell Mike for example he certainly wouldn't get the reaction the sisa lot got on sat if he spoke out at northam club. Plenty affection from real fans. We can seperate the wheat from the chaff...

[derry]

TBDWell agree totally mate. Derry tell Mike for example he certainly wouldn't get the reaction the sisa lot got on sat if he spoke out at northam club. Plenty affection from real fans. We can seperate the wheat from the chaff...

 

Two of his brothers post on here and will be pleased to read these comments.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I and his brothers talked to Mike about this thread which he looked at and to say that he was upset would be an understatement. He was at a loss to understand why people would think he was a free loader and a parasite when he gave so much of his time to charitable causes free of charge, he was that upset that he felt it just wasn't worth it.

 

There was a lot of malicious gossip being spread throughout the period of Crouch's tenure through to Markus's takeover, allegations of demands over appearances, salaries being paid etc..as i'm sure you are aware MO was subject to some of those unproven and unsubstantiated allegations, for him to allow some whoop whoop talk on a forum to affect him(easy to say I know) would be wrong, especially on a thread that should only be used to further highlight someones plight.

[derry]

There was a lot of malicious gossip being spread throughout the period of Crouch's tenure through to Markus's takeover, allegations of demands over appearances, salaries being paid etc..as i'm sure you are aware MO was subject to some of those unproven and unsubstantiated allegations, for him to allow some whoop whoop talk on a forum to affect him(easy to say I know) would be wrong, especially on a thread that should only be used to further highlight someones plight.

 

It was the words freeloader and parasite that bemused him. It was ironic that this was a week that he had given up his time on two evenings to raise money for charity.

[thegaffer]

There was a lot of malicious gossip being spread throughout the period of Crouch's tenure through to Markus's takeover, allegations of demands over appearances, salaries being paid etc..as i'm sure you are aware MO was subject to some of those unproven and unsubstantiated allegations, for him to allow some whoop whoop talk on a forum to affect him(easy to say I know) would be wrong, especially on a thread that should only be used to further highlight someones plight.

Unless you have ever been in the public eye then you would not understand.

[OldNick]

No problem, Mike told me during the exclusivity that he thought Pinnacle couldn't raise the money and although he didn't know who the Swiss people were, he did know that they were blue chip. His worry was that the Swiss would walk away. I and his brothers talked to Mike about this thread which he looked at and to say that he was upset would be an understatement. He was at a loss to understand why people would think he was a free loader and a parasite when he gave so much of his time to charitable causes free of charge, he was that upset that he felt it just wasn't worth it.

 

I have talked to Mike quite a bit about the club and never once has he voiced any criticism about Cortese or the club despite me being obviously critical of Pardew. It is understandable that LM and MLT because of their SFC background could resent the new organisation that they are no longer part of.

 

Derry I suggest that Mike should be upset with the OP as the intimation was that he was part of the slagging off of the club. I have always enjoyed MO's humour and got him a gig many years ago at the tennis club at Lordshill before it was David Llloyd. Many people are jealous of any kind of success.

I know he is a massive Saints fan, and many people appreciate any charitable action entertainers give for free.

I hope that he is hardened to the criticism as anybody in showbiz must get lots of abuse, i myself have no bad thoughts of MO and always felt he was a lot better than many of his counterparts who get on tv.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Well **** me Nick why don't you stir it up a bit more?

I have resisted replying to some of the criticism on here because it truly is pathetic but I resent deeply your implication that I was I am somehow setting Mike up for criticism. If you read my OP I praised him massively for his time and contribution to charity and I for one enjoyed his compering the event very much. To call someone like him a freeloader is a scandal and I suspect it is the dying remnants of Rupert's army that are throwing their toys out of the pram.

My OP was an honest report back of the evening. If I had not mentioned the fact that there WAS some political talk it would not have been an honest report back. I did not feel the need to reveal the content of what was said, which was because I assumed most on here could probably guess that it was not going to be complimentary to either of the two last recent regimes in charge at SMS, and like Mike said on the night, it was best left inside the hall. I also knew if I repeated it, it would be me that would be left arguing the toss or defending it and tbh I can't be arsed any more. NC is in charge, his represents the owners and what he says goes. No point in going on about it. He's the boss and can do what he likes. I wish him the best of luck because we need it and I shall support all he does because there is no other game in town.

I think it really sad that by trying to make this forum a more informed place people like you try and spin it to persuade people like Mike that they should be upset with me?

Yesterday there were two quite interesting posts I was going to start but I shied away because I couldn't be bothered to take the flak. One involved an Echo piece on Jonathan Fulthorpe and his proposed takeover of Saints and the other well..like I said I can't be arsed to attract more crap from people like you. It is a shame because there are some good people on this forum (though the number is dwindling), who I am sure appreciate being kept up to speed with reliable gossip but it just gets too personal now and tbh my life is complicated and unpleasant enough to have to put up with anymore crap on here. I don't think you are one of the worst Nick, in fact far from it but you really should think before you start slinging mud. Your post is trying to create a non existant wedge between Mike Osman and my words and I don't appreciate that.

[dubai_phil]

Well **** me Nick why don't you stir it up a bit more?

I have resisted replying to some of the criticism on here because it truly is pathetic but I resent deeply your implication that I was I am somehow setting Mike up for criticism. If you read my OP I praised him massively for his time and contribution to charity and I for one enjoyed his compering the event very much. To call someone like him a freeloader is a scandal and I suspect it is the dying remnants of Rupert's army that are throwing their toys out of the pram.

My OP was an honest report back of the evening. If I had not mentioned the fact that there WAS some political talk it would not have been an honest report back. I did not feel the need to reveal the content of what was said, which was because I assumed most on here could probably guess that it was not going to be complimentary to either of the two last recent regimes in charge at SMS, and like Mike said on the night, it was best left inside the hall. I also knew if I repeated it, it would be me that would be left arguing the toss or defending it and tbh I can't be arsed any more. NC is in charge, his represents the owners and what he says goes. No point in going on about it. He's the boss and can do what he likes. I wish him the best of luck because we need it and I shall support all he does because there is no other game in town.

I think it really sad that by trying to make this forum a more informed place people like you try and spin it to persuade people like Mike that they should be upset with me?

Yesterday there were two quite interesting posts I was going to start but I shied away because I couldn't be bothered to take the flak. One involved an Echo piece on Jonathan Fulthorpe and his proposed takeover of Saints and the other well..like I said I can't be arsed to attract more crap from people like you. It is a shame because there are some good people on this forum (though the number is dwindling), who I am sure appreciate being kept up to speed with reliable gossip but it just gets too personal now and tbh my life is complicated and unpleasant enough to have to put up with anymore crap on here. I don't think you are one of the worst Nick, in fact far from it but you really should think before you start slinging mud. Your post is trying to create a non existant wedge between Mike Osman and my words and I don't appreciate that.

 

The damage that happens from un-intentional public utterances FF.

 

You set up LM et al in the Op for stick, not by ANY deliberate intention but because the nature of the wording used would allow others to hijack the thread.

 

It is a tough call when you go to these events - we had similar with MLT down here, tried to post the report neutrally and off they went. Eventually I think that argument was won and one particlularly obnoxious poster of the time has moved to pastures new.

 

The reports are important from everyone who gets to these types of things, 80% of us on here await this news and it gives us a feeling of Saints as a club. However, anyone who DOES post up must realise that they are stepping into a "Political Arena" and should choose their words carefully.

 

You of all people as a "person experienced in the horrors of Spin" should have guessed what can happen. You posted about the event, it implied LM MLT MO were making anti-Saints comments and whoosh in it came.

 

Nick was right, you opened the can of worms. You are right, you probably never even thought of it.

 

And yes an interesting piece on the Great White Hope Mr Fulthorpe. Not many of the Vultures from those days left now with reputations intact. Still a few to go though

[saintjay77]

The damage that happens from un-intentional public utterances FF.

 

You set up LM et al in the Op for stick, not by ANY deliberate intention but because the nature of the wording used would allow others to hijack the thread.

 

It is a tough call when you go to these events - we had similar with MLT down here, tried to post the report neutrally and off they went. Eventually I think that argument was won and one particlularly obnoxious poster of the time has moved to pastures new.

 

The reports are important from everyone who gets to these types of things, 80% of us on here await this news and it gives us a feeling of Saints as a club. However, anyone who DOES post up must realise that they are stepping into a "Political Arena" and should choose their words carefully.

 

You of all people as a "person experienced in the horrors of Spin" should have guessed what can happen. You posted about the event, it implied LM MLT MO were making anti-Saints comments and whoosh in it came.

 

Nick was right, you opened the can of worms. You are right, you probably never even thought of it.

 

And yes an interesting piece on the Great White Hope Mr Fulthorpe. Not many of the Vultures from those days left now with reputations intact. Still a few to go though

 

This sum's it up quite well. The OP could have been worded differently and could have been very enlightening. It came accross different though and the flak came in as expected. Seemed to me like it was written in a way to get the reaction it got and I said so at the beginning. I dont have anything against FF and like to hear what he has to say 90% of the time. This one wound me up though and I suppose I bit which probably did as much to start the flak off as the OP did. So appologies if I had any part in it all.

 

On a side note which has more to do with some of the recent posts than the OP.

 

Has anyone noticed how Matt Le'Tiss seems happy enough to speak up about the current regieme and often seem like he is sticking the boot in yet didnt really have a bad word to say about the previous regieme?

 

Is that because of gagging orders? Matt being Lowe Luvvie? Or Matt was happy while he got the Perks? Or maybe he thought things were being done the best they could at the time?

 

I think its a bit strange cause I remember having this argument with my Dad when Lowe was still in charge. I thought it was funny how Matt never jumped on the band wagon of Lowe being the anti-christ and slating him all over the place. My ole man said it was because he was proffesional and doesnt speak out against people that could effect his career or opertunities, said he stays neutral and doesnt get dragged into mud slinging. If that was the case then, what is the case now? Is he still being proffessional? Or is NC worse than Lowe?

 

The same cant be said about L Mac cause he has always been outspoken about his views. Agree with them or not. lol

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The damage that happens from un-intentional public utterances FF.

 

You set up LM et al in the Op for stick, not by ANY deliberate intention but because the nature of the wording used would allow others to hijack the thread.

 

It is a tough call when you go to these events - we had similar with MLT down here, tried to post the report neutrally and off they went. Eventually I think that argument was won and one particlularly obnoxious poster of the time has moved to pastures new.

 

The reports are important from everyone who gets to these types of things, 80% of us on here await this news and it gives us a feeling of Saints as a club. However, anyone who DOES post up must realise that they are stepping into a "Political Arena" and should choose their words carefully.

 

You of all people as a "person experienced in the horrors of Spin" should have guessed what can happen. You posted about the event, it implied LM MLT MO were making anti-Saints comments and whoosh in it came.

 

Nick was right, you opened the can of worms. You are right, you probably never even thought of it.

 

And yes an interesting piece on the Great White Hope Mr Fulthorpe. Not many of the Vultures from those days left now with reputations intact. Still a few to go though

 

Phil nowhere in the OP did I say it was anti-Saints stuff they were spouting.

Another example of misquoting.

I should think all 3 would be ****ed off if they thought I was saying that they were anti-Saints. What I said was it was "hard-hitting political" stuff that was "controversial". Personally I didn't agree with ALL of it which was one reason I chose not to elaborate, but I stand by my right to report it back that it took place without having people like Nick imply I was looking to drop Mike Osman in it.

[OldNick]

Well **** me Nick why don't you stir it up a bit more?

I have resisted replying to some of the criticism on here because it truly is pathetic but I resent deeply your implication that I was I am somehow setting Mike up for criticism. If you read my OP I praised him massively for his time and contribution to charity and I for one enjoyed his compering the event very much. To call someone like him a freeloader is a scandal and I suspect it is the dying remnants of Rupert's army that are throwing their toys out of the pram.

My OP was an honest report back of the evening. If I had not mentioned the fact that there WAS some political talk it would not have been an honest report back. I did not feel the need to reveal the content of what was said, which was because I assumed most on here could probably guess that it was not going to be complimentary to either of the two last recent regimes in charge at SMS, and like Mike said on the night, it was best left inside the hall. I also knew if I repeated it, it would be me that would be left arguing the toss or defending it and tbh I can't be arsed any more. NC is in charge, his represents the owners and what he says goes. No point in going on about it. He's the boss and can do what he likes. I wish him the best of luck because we need it and I shall support all he does because there is no other game in town.

I think it really sad that by trying to make this forum a more informed place people like you try and spin it to persuade people like Mike that they should be upset with me?

Yesterday there were two quite interesting posts I was going to start but I shied away because I couldn't be bothered to take the flak. One involved an Echo piece on Jonathan Fulthorpe and his proposed takeover of Saints and the other well..like I said I can't be arsed to attract more crap from people like you. It is a shame because there are some good people on this forum (though the number is dwindling), who I am sure appreciate being kept up to speed with reliable gossip but it just gets too personal now and tbh my life is complicated and unpleasant enough to have to put up with anymore crap on here. I don't think you are one of the worst Nick, in fact far from it but you really should think before you start slinging mud. Your post is trying to create a non existant wedge between Mike Osman and my words and I don't appreciate that.

Duncan, I was saddened to read MO being pilloried on here and also saw fellow posters being attacked as they were responding/defending the club from what seemed from the opening post a night of anti NC/SFC tirades.

MO was being got at wrongly IMo about his professional ability, and his generous charitable contribution.

I think if you stood back, read and considered your opening post you may well see how inflammatory it is to people who put the club first and heroes second.

The evening was about Kevin Moore, and it could easily been stated that also attending were LM MLT and MO who supported the event. Your mistake IMo was to add the nudge nudge wink wink bit that much was said by them but couldnt repeat it.

I have said before that you being the club historian are deemed to know more than most others (whether that is true or myth is hard to say , but is a perception) therefore your words hold a bit more weight.

As a fan you really care for the club like most others on here, we wouldn't waste our time on here if not. Therefore i can never understand why you seem to always pick away at the seams and try to cause unrest. It may not be intentional but from where i sit i have yet to see you be fully behind the club. Although for a short period you were when LM and LC were running things.

Iam a club first, heroes 2nd fan, the club has to be there for me and future generations while heroes come and go, and ultimately the fans are the only ones who really do care. i can't recall who said to me the other day that in conversation James Beattie who said, that it doesnt matter who owns/ runs a club the only ones who are there in the end are the fans. The rest only worry about themselves.

I didn't intend to put a wedge between you and MO,in the same way as you didn't intend to cause the furore you did with your OP, and am sorry if it is the case.

Fans of SFc have a lot to thank MLT Lm etc for their past endeavors but ultimately I believe Nc has a lot to be thanked for and we should have the grace to give him time to get things right and not try and undermine him, because if he and the Liebherr family do move i doubt we will ever properly recover.

[OldNick]

Phil nowhere in the OP did I say it was anti-Saints stuff they were spouting.

Another example of misquoting.

I should think all 3 would be ****ed off if they thought I was saying that they were anti-Saints. What I said was it was "hard-hitting political" stuff that was "controversial". Personally I didn't agree with ALL of it which was one reason I chose not to elaborate, but I stand by my right to report it back that it took place without having people like Nick imply I was looking to drop Mike Osman in it.

Duncan there is no way i believed you intentionally were trying to dump MO in it. i suggest you are a most loyal person and would never do such a thing.

[The boy done well]

Well, I for one can read nothing underhand, attention seeking or controversial in FF's opening post. Some people spend far too long analysing every word without taking a post for what it is ie just interesting. Carry on posting FF. I and many others on hear like to hear what you have to say and know that you are Saints through and through. Far more interesting than most of the dross and abuse that comes up on here.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Duncan there is no way i believed you intentionally were trying to dump MO in it. i suggest you are a most loyal person and would never do such a thing.

 

Thanks Nick - apology accepted. Forums can be lethal.

Going back to the OP I can in hindsight see where you are coming from but funnily enough it was not my intention to cause any "trouble". I was a little instrumental in getting the Kevin Moore appeal off the ground a few years back (although Ian Ritchie should get 99.99% credit for everything he has since done).

I am interested that you regard my criticism as continually undermining the club. The only person I did try and destabilise was Rupert and only after he publicy undermined Stuart Gray in the Echo. I regarded his presence at SMS harmful from that moment and I pretty much stand behind that argument today.

 

Like I said NC to me is the main man and I will support him 100% if for no other reason that there is simply no one else who can do what he can.

 

As for Leon and Lawrie I have had big rows with both men over the years and I think both have had their day - as far as Saints are concerned - although in their day both men were committed to the cause in their own ways and contributed to our welfare.

 

I do criticise a lot (mainly because there is a lot to criticise in modern football) and I am not one for sticking my head in the sand when it comes to Saints but I really do not want to see any more unrest in the forseeable future.

I really hope NC is as committed as he says because the alternative does not bear thinking about.

 

I also think those who made nasty remarks about Mike Osman should withdraw them because he certainly does not deserve the crap that wa sposted on here, whatever his "political" views maybe. He did a great job last week and I am still getting laughs of his sexual history and getting old watching porno films gags.

Rgds Duncan

[thegaffer]

Well **** me Nick why don't you stir it up a bit more?

I have resisted replying to some of the criticism on here because it truly is pathetic but I resent deeply your implication that I was I am somehow setting Mike up for criticism. If you read my OP I praised him massively for his time and contribution to charity and I for one enjoyed his compering the event very much. To call someone like him a freeloader is a scandal and I suspect it is the dying remnants of Rupert's army that are throwing their toys out of the pram.

My OP was an honest report back of the evening. If I had not mentioned the fact that there WAS some political talk it would not have been an honest report back. I did not feel the need to reveal the content of what was said, which was because I assumed most on here could probably guess that it was not going to be complimentary to either of the two last recent regimes in charge at SMS, and like Mike said on the night, it was best left inside the hall. I also knew if I repeated it, it would be me that would be left arguing the toss or defending it and tbh I can't be arsed any more. NC is in charge, his represents the owners and what he says goes. No point in going on about it. He's the boss and can do what he likes. I wish him the best of luck because we need it and I shall support all he does because there is no other game in town.

I think it really sad that by trying to make this forum a more informed place people like you try and spin it to persuade people like Mike that they should be upset with me?

Yesterday there were two quite interesting posts I was going to start but I shied away because I couldn't be bothered to take the flak. One involved an Echo piece on Jonathan Fulthorpe and his proposed takeover of Saints and the other well..like I said I can't be arsed to attract more crap from people like you. It is a shame because there are some good people on this forum (though the number is dwindling), who I am sure appreciate being kept up to speed with reliable gossip but it just gets too personal now and tbh my life is complicated and unpleasant enough to have to put up with anymore crap on here. I don't think you are one of the worst Nick, in fact far from it but you really should think before you start slinging mud. Your post is trying to create a non existant wedge between Mike Osman and my words and I don't appreciate that.

H i FF I can tell you that there is not a problem between you and Mike Osman. The poster that has got Mike riled is Manji for his comments calling Mike a parasite and a free loader.Manji dosent know him from Adam and just makes assumptions about what kind of person Mike really is. If you have ever met Mike you would find that he is one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet and has been a lifelong Saints fan a lot longer than Manji. Mike does more for charity than anyone else I know and gives up his precious spare time. Some of the charity work takes him all over the country. He dosen't deserve the accusations thrown at him by Manji.

 

Here isthe deffinition of the word parasite taken from the Oxford English Dictionary..(a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return) and here is the deffinition of the word freeloader.. (person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return)

 

Ask hundreds of the charity's Mike raises money for if those two deffinitions of Mike Osman describe him and every one would say no. I say to Manji keep it shut if you don't know the back ground behind the man.

[OldNick]

Thanks Nick - apology accepted. Forums can be lethal.

Going back to the OP I can in hindsight see where you are coming from but funnily enough it was not my intention to cause any "trouble". I was a little instrumental in getting the Kevin Moore appeal off the ground a few years back (although Ian Ritchie should get 99.99% credit for everything he has since done).

I am interested that you regard my criticism as continually undermining the club. The only person I did try and destabilise was Rupert and only after he publicy undermined Stuart Gray in the Echo. I regarded his presence at SMS harmful from that moment and I pretty much stand behind that argument today.

 

Like I said NC to me is the main man and I will support him 100% if for no other reason that there is simply no one else who can do what he can.

 

As for Leon and Lawrie I have had big rows with both men over the years and I think both have had their day - as far as Saints are concerned - although in their day both men were committed to the cause in their own ways and contributed to our welfare.

 

I do criticise a lot (mainly because there is a lot to criticise in modern football) and I am not one for sticking my head in the sand when it comes to Saints but I really do not want to see any more unrest in the forseeable future.

I really hope NC is as committed as he says because the alternative does not bear thinking about.

 

I also think those who made nasty remarks about Mike Osman should withdraw them because he certainly does not deserve the crap that wa sposted on here, whatever his "political" views maybe. He did a great job last week and I am still getting laughs of his sexual history and getting old watching porno films gags.

Rgds Duncan

 

That is good to read and I'm really glad you are behind NC and the club. the last thing we need is the destabilization we had of past boards etc.

Manji I have never met but he is also a passionate Saints fan from the bit i have read by him on here. He was defensive of RL (I was to a degree likewise)but i put myself more in the category of being defensive of the club and when push comes to shove the club wins although under Branfoot/Askham i did lose that loyalty.

Saying that, I believe he could ask for his comments to be withdrawn and were at best badly worded and if he felt it in him perhaps apologise.

MO is IMo a top performer and did not deserve the flak he got.

I think the bad feelings stem from the period where LM and him were doing something raising money for the club and some unfounded rumours regarding payment came up.

Anyway it is good that MO is not feeling grumpy at you and we all can move on, as you say forums can be lethal

[revolution saint]

Good lord people get carried away don't they? Is this really all about MLT and some others having an opinion? Or having an opinion that may differ from the cosy image of the club we all want to believe? Or just disclosing that opinion? Either way it doesn't really matter - some people take this way too seriously.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

H i FF I can tell you that there is not a problem between you and Mike Osman. The poster that has got Mike riled is Manji for his comments calling Mike a parasite and a free loader.Manji dosent know him from Adam and just makes assumptions about what kind of person Mike really is. If you have ever met Mike you would find that he is one of the most genuine people you could ever wish to meet and has been a lifelong Saints fan a lot longer than Manji. Mike does more for charity than anyone else I know and gives up his precious spare time. Some of the charity work takes him all over the country. He dosen't deserve the accusations thrown at him by Manji.

 

Here isthe deffinition of the word parasite taken from the Oxford English Dictionary..(a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return) and here is the deffinition of the word freeloader.. (person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return)

 

Ask hundreds of the charity's Mike raises money for if those two deffinitions of Mike Osman describe him and every one would say no. I say to Manji keep it shut if you don't know the back ground behind the man.

 

Thanks the gaffer - I too have been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty stuff from manji which has left me feeling a bit perplexed. He seems to think I hanker after some sort of position at SMS and gets really nasty.

I think it must have something to do with my bust up with Lowe and can only assume as Mike was pretty anti too that that is the reason he feels so vitriolic. There is no need for it and it must be very hurtful for Mike to see such nastiness. I sincerely Manji reflects on his words.

[manji]

That is good to read and I'm really glad you are behind NC and the club. the last thing we need is the destabilization we had of past boards etc.

Manji I have never met but he is also a passionate Saints fan from the bit i have read by him on here. He was defensive of RL (I was to a degree likewise)but i put myself more in the category of being defensive of the club and when push comes to shove the club wins although under Branfoot/Askham i did lose that loyalty.

Saying that, I believe he could ask for his comments to be withdrawn and were at best badly worded and if he felt it in him perhaps apologise.

MO is IMo a top performer and did not deserve the flak he got.

I think the bad feelings stem from the period where LM and him were doing something raising money for the club and some unfounded rumours regarding payment came up.

Anyway it is good that MO is not feeling grumpy at you and we all can move on, as you say forums can be lethal

 

I have already said on this thread the MO p******* comment was ill judged and over the top but I still stand by my anger at Saints "legends" using a charity function to snipe at the club. My annoyance has built up too i.e. Matty making "unhelpful" comments on Skys coverage of the JPT Final , also his comments recently on Talksport theres loads of other examples.

I will also repeat my belief that Lawrie was the best manager we ever had and of course MLT as a genius player , all I can say about Mike Osman is he is not *cough* one of my favorite comedians.

Bottom line is club over legends anytime and I am completely 100% behind the Club, Cortese and Adkins.

[manji]

Thanks the gaffer - I too have been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty stuff from manji which has left me feeling a bit perplexed. He seems to think I hanker after some sort of position at SMS and gets really nasty.

I think it must have something to do with my bust up with Lowe and can only assume as Mike was pretty anti too that that is the reason he feels so vitriolic. There is no need for it and it must be very hurtful for Mike to see such nastiness. I sincerely Manji reflects on his words.

 

Good grief have you seen some of the comments about me over the years ! Dont be so precious lol !

[iansums]

Good grief have you seen some of the comments about me over the years ! Dont be so precious lol !

 

Can someone insult me!

[trousers]

Can someone insult me!

 

Tosser

 

HTH

 

;-)

[manji]

Can someone insult me!

 

I would but you might have a hissy fit lol !

[SW11_Saint]

I would but you might have a hissy fit lol !

And you think Mike Osman is unfunny...

[Special K]

Thanks the gaffer - I too have been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty stuff from manji which has left me feeling a bit perplexed. He seems to think I hanker after some sort of position at SMS and gets really nasty.

I think it must have something to do with my bust up with Lowe and can only assume as Mike was pretty anti too that that is the reason he feels so vitriolic. There is no need for it and it must be very hurtful for Mike to see such nastiness. I sincerely Manji reflects on his words.

 

With all due respect that's a bit like being beaten up with a lettuce leaf. To hear that MO takes manji's keyboard heroism (subsequently retracted, sort of) to heart is baffling enough, but i would hope that hardened posters on teh saints web forum would see it for what it is.

[Alain Perrin]

To be honest I don't know any of you from Adam. However, I have deduced the following things about being a poster on here:

 

- you need an ability to be selectively outraged

- you need to be blind to motives

- you need to see things as very black and white

- you need to believe gossip as fact if it supports your opinion

- you need to be able to not only jump on, but steer a bandwagon to your desired destination.

 

And, at the end of the day, you need to be able to argue like schoolgirls over next to nothing.

 

For the record, Manji (who I do not know), refered to Mike Osman as a freeloader relating to the time Wilde, Crouch and Hone (or Hoos-ever it was) were in charge.

 

Much as it suits Derry et al. to claim, I don't think that Manji was commenting on the very valuable charity work MO is obviously doing now or then. I believe there were (unsubtantiated) claims about how much he was being paid for his pre-match work and, equally, LMac was also under fire for that.

 

Was their pay justified? I don't know

Is it largely irrelevant now? Yes

Is being frozen out likely to irk them a little / a lot? Almost without doubt.

 

Just like posters on here, L.Mac / MLT have opinions - often in areas of which they have little informed experience. But, unlike posters on here, their opinions have consequences. Unless they have substance as opposed to hearsay, I'd like (more in hope than expectation) for them to moderate them for the good of my club.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Alain your words are wise ones but one small rider - I wouldn't give a flying f*** about what anyone said about me if I was still comfortably behind a cloak of anonymity.

[Pat from Poole]

Good grief have you seen some of the comments about me over the years ! Dont be so precious lol !

 

 

Out of interest, how did you come to decide on your username?

[once_bitterne]

Out of interest, how did you come to decide on your username?

 

I could ask the same of you.......... oh.

[Weston Saint]

Out of interest, how did you come to decide on your username?

I think I know why you have asked that question.

[theyin]

people who use the term lol are generally maxi zoom dweebies whom should I meet, I would gladly chop off their heads and shoite down their necks

 

MO deserves respect for the work he's done by the way and as for this forum, comparisons to schoolgirls bickering in a schoolyard is not too far from the truth ...if I remember correctly.

[OldNick]

people who use the term lol are generally maxi zoom dweebies whom should I meet, I would gladly chop off their heads and shoite down their necks

 

MO deserves respect for the work he's done by the way and as for this forum, comparisons to schoolgirls bickering in a schoolyard is not too far from the truth ...if I remember correctly.

 

Lol

[lettuce]

people who use the term lol are generally maxi zoom dweebies whom should I meet, I would gladly chop off their heads and shoite down their necks

 

MO deserves respect for the work he's done by the way and as for this forum, comparisons to schoolgirls bickering in a schoolyard is not too far from the truth ...if I remember correctly.

People who use the term "maxi zoom dweebies" make me lol

[ericofarabia]

Lol

 

Run for the hills .... The Axe Man Commeth

[OldNick]

Run for the hills .... The Axe Man Commeth

 

have you heard yet that DP has been interviewed by the Echo Lol

[ericofarabia]

have you heard yet that DP has been interviewed by the Echo Lol

 

LOL no I hadn't .... Media Whore!!