Adkins appointed

[Joesaint]

Bloke on 606 said he has a friend who is a 1st team player and describes the first day training, good little read.

[It's There]

link please

thanks

[Joesaint]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A74207108

[Dalek2003]

Why do you keep posting that over and over and over again....what do you expect or want everyone to lie and say you are right?

Do you want them to bow down in homage to the great Hoddle who did bugger all since he walked out on us?

Because you post it over and pover again doesnt make it right.

Sturrock had a 38% win ratio had he been in charge for 2 more games we may of stayed up!

So blame the guy who sacked him not the crowd.

 

That murky event in our clubs history must never be buried by those who want too, probably because of their guilt in playing their own part in the horrendous decline in our club !

[View From The Top]

Why do you keep posting that over and over and over again.....

 

Because he's a sad obsessed gimp.

[Dalek2003]

Alan Pardew was a big name for a 3rd Div club. By all accounts Kevin Keegan was interested and 2 managers from the Premiership. Apparently we are seen as a good job. Probably because you won't be staying long and will walk away with a nice big wedge

 

If Keegan was really interested, he should have got the job.

[docker-p]

Odd that the new man has not been made available to the press. (BBC South Today)

[Give it to Ron]

That murky event in our clubs history must never be buried by those who want too, probably because of their guilt in playing their own part in the horrendous decline in our club !

 

But its complete hogwash and you keep going on and on its not going to change that - I never had any guilt in it but am ****ed off with you keep going on and on telling the same crap over again thats not true.

Why do you not blame Lowe for sacking Luggy? Why havent you gone on and on and on about that for 6 years?

[explorer saint]

So the players are unfit not just my imagination ( RL?) really good read and interesting that Pardew didn't get involved in the training sessions, like Adkins will be.

Will not expect too much at MK but hope for some kind of reaction

[Give it to Ron]

Do you honestly believe the small minority of fans that did chant that post on here?

[pap]

Double fitness sessions, according to the 606 piece.

 

We will /run/ this league

[suewhistle]

Bloke on 606 said he has a friend who is a 1st team player and describes the first day training, good little read.

 

Isn't it Trousers who normally shins up a tree for us?

[huggleman]

Dalek, you sound the a horrific broken record, I feel like Stewie in Family Guy when Peter gets the record of "Bird is the Word"

 

On a good note I'm really looking forward to MK Dons and hopefully get at least a point, recent results would suggest that we will, 3-0, 2-0, 1-0 so now it's time for 0-0 and then we can start winning! I can but dream can I not? lol

[trousers]

Isn't it Trousers who normally shins up a tree for us?

 

No. Wrong (Trousers)

 

Pilchards I believe.

[Dalek2003]

But its complete hogwash and you keep going on and on its not going to change that - I never had any guilt in it but am ****ed off with you keep going on and on telling the same crap over again thats not true.

Why do you not blame Lowe for sacking Luggy? Why havent you gone on and on and on about that for 6 years?

 

Luggy should never have been anywhere near SFC in the first place, he was completely out of his depth !

[suewhistle]

No. Wrong (Trousers)

 

Pilchards I believe.

 

Ah yes, I knew it ended in 's'.;=)

 

Any feedback from him yet?

 

Incidentally, if we have all these sports medecine specialists about the place, bleep tests, fat measurement etc., etc. how come players can be unfit? (I'll be generous to those returning from injury..).

[singajules]

Enjoyed the comment about being the only manager that was offered the job so either NC or the Bournemouth chairman is telling porky pies! I hope it works out, but I am not wholly convinced.

 

Only asked for and was granted permission to speak to Howe.

never offered him the job

[dune]

Luggy should never have been anywhere near SFC in the first place, he was completely out of his depth !

 

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Give it to Ron]

Luggy should never have been anywhere near SFC in the first place, he was completely out of his depth !

 

Agreed we should of had one of the other many managers available at that time but certainly not Hoddle - never go back. So the fault was with Lowe and the board not the crowd who should of appointed someone better not the cheap option.

So come on what gives you the right to say he would of been a success second time, show me the statistics he has had since leaving to prove he would of done better than his next clubs?

Why hasn't he been employed by anyone since leaving Wolves?

Come on dont hide away discuss it...

[pap]

Some short memories on here. The reality is that our club got done over by a number of factors. The move to all-seater stadiums for top-flight clubs played a huge part. Dropping from 25K to 15K couldn't have helped the finances. Remember that the promise of a new stadium was a big reason why Rupes got in the door.

 

Once Rupes was in, stability was out. I'm not sure what his plan was, what the direction or aspirations of the club were or whether he was even from the planet Earth. The constant chop-change doesn't help. Each man brings in their own players, leaving staff demotivated and looking to the offs.

 

All the while we were never strong enough, financially or in terms of stature, to keep our prize assets from disappearing up the M3 to better supported clubs.

 

As for Hoddle, the man arrived under dubious circumstances, produced some good results and kept us up. The complete capitulation at Tranmere annoys me to this day, and the reality is that he too disappeared up the M3 as soon as Spurs came calling. I never want him back here.

 

Returning to the topic, I don't know a lot about Adkins. However, the reports of his style of play are massively encouraging, and segue well with Cortese's vision of a Southampton style. People have remarked upon this being a gamble. Again, short memories. We backed a 100-1 longshot with Poortvliet, ffs. This seems like even money by comparison.

 

The truth is, none of us know how he'll do at Saints. We'll know more on Wednesday night.

 

Personally, I wish him well and hope that he gets a good run at the job - because the complete lack of stability, whether external or internal, is the true reason for the decline of our club.

[buctootim]

Incidentally, if we have all these sports medecine specialists about the place, bleep tests, fat measurement etc., etc. how come players can be unfit? (I'll be generous to those returning from injury..).

 

Fits in with the rumours of Pardew not working with /getting along with support staff. Maybe they told him the players were unfit and recommended diets /exercises etc and were told to butt out. maybe, maybe maybe. Who knows.

[Give it to Ron]

Come on Dalek its taken you 20 minutes to prove me wrong.....where is the evidence to show Hoddle would of saved us and the fans were at fault and not the board for appointing the cheap option?

[solentstars]

hoddle was a good manager and laid the foundations for gorden strachen and i know we would have not been relegated if he was reappointed,but that is all in the past we are now a league 1 club and thats the reality.

[landford.saint]

The fans do not ultimately hire or fire anyone regardless of how vociferous they are. If the board decide to listen to 'the mob' and fire someone, I am sure the same 'mob'' would not have chosen the cheap option for his replacement. The board is responsible NOT the mob.

[The Kraken]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A74207108

 

Getting this back on topic and away from something that happened 6 years ago......

 

It is utterly shameful that our players are so unfit. How on earth has this happened? It's all too easy to just blame the ex-manager, though the majority of responsibility must fall on his shoulders. But we have a supposed network of fitness experts, in fact 11 staff members as listed on the OS dedicated to Sports Medicine and Science. Yet we can't even get our players near an accepted level of fitness even a whole month after the season has started? It's just unacceptable.

 

Thankfully it looks like NA's first impact on the club will be getting the fitness levels where they should be. Something we have heard far, far too often as a club in the past. Once again we're playing catch up from losing the full benefits of a pre-season, though this one is entirely self-inflicted.

[Dalek2003]

Agreed we should of had one of the other many managers available at that time but certainly not Hoddle - never go back. So the fault was with Lowe and the board not the crowd who should of appointed someone better not the cheap option.

So come on what gives you the right to say he would of been a success second time, show me the statistics he has had since leaving to prove he would of done better than his next clubs?

Why hasn't he been employed by anyone since leaving Wolves?

Come on dont hide away discuss it...

 

OK, in retrospect do you think that hoddle would have been worse than Luggy, had Hoddle been appointed as ws originally intended before the vocal minority started their campaign ?

[View From The Top]

OK, in retrospect do you think that hoddle would have been worse than Luggy, had Hoddle been appointed as ws originally intended before the vocal minority started their campaign ?

 

The sign of a lost argument is attempting to counter a question with weaker one.

[Give it to Ron]

OK, in retrospect do you think that hoddle would have been worse than Luggy, had Hoddle been appointed as ws originally intended before the vocal minority started their campaign ?

 

I have no idea and nor do you but evidence shows he is not the Messiah you make him out to be as per Wolves and Spurs - come on I am waiting for evidence of your 6 year campaign. Put up or shut up.

Do you believe if we had appointed one of the btter managers available rather than a cheap one we would of stayed up? Do you believe going by the stats that Sturrock would of kept us up? Evidence?

Do you believe the vocal minority are all on this board?

[saint1977]

The poster on 606 may be full of it but there could well be in truth in the suggesion nevertheless. Puncheon, Lambert and Jaidi look in horrible condition, Puncheon looks about 3 yards slower this season, I can't believe he was the same player that terrorised Leeds last season. Hammond looks a bit on the heavy side as well. I'd drop all of them bar Lambert who I'd play into fitness and get the new loan players in the side instead to inject some pace and urgency.

 

Disgusted really that Saints just have not learned from the past, the only manager in recent times that has set up a decent pre-season programme was WGS and look at the results. I have a hunch that NA got the best of the Scunny lads by a big emphasis on fitness so the pie and chips members of the squad should be worried.

 

Just watching Villa destroy Stoke. I know Villa have got superb quality players but look at the express pace ripping Stoke apart and that is an experienced Stoke backline too. We need 4 loan players with express pace for the Colchester game in midfield, wide and up front, MK is too soon. That has to be the main criteria for our new loan/perm deals, raw pace. We've got people that can work with the ball so speed is the key.

[CanadaSaint]

OK, in retrospect do you think that hoddle would have been worse than Luggy, had Hoddle been appointed as ws originally intended before the vocal minority started their campaign ?

 

If you're so against vocal minorities why do you keep posting this sh*t about Hoddle?

[Give it to Ron]

If you're so against vocal minorities why do you keep posting this sh*t about Hoddle?

 

Hahaha brilliant - I have asked him several times and questions yet he just runs away when challeged to provide evidence.

Especially if he believes the vocal minority all reside on here to feel ashamed of his ranting.

[Teabag]

Wow I'm already sick of his argument and I've only heard about it here, let alone 6 years!

[derry]

Well it now looks that the criticism on here about the amateurish preparation for the season was pretty much spot on. Unfit, poor start again, so how good was Pardew, or wasn't he in charge of pre-season? This sounds more like it but I expected nothing less from Nigel Atkinson. Maybe at last we'll have some decent football to watch and I'll be able to stop taking painkillers for a stiff neck.

[NickG]

Hoddle arguement is simple

 

he was excellent manager for us (probably best in recent years)

he is a knob

he is unpopular

his departure was disappinting as he was doing so well and we were so optimistic but also because of the way he did it

he has not succeeded anywhere else since

he would have been unpopular with many if he came back

he may have done well if he came back

if he did he would have been forgiven

if he didn't he would have been slated

 

and back to Adkins!

[Dalek2003]

If you're so against vocal minorities why do you keep posting this sh*t about Hoddle?

 

Lets simplify things. Would we have more likely to have got relegated under Hoddle than Sturrock/Wigley etc.

 

Most people would say no. Therefore, however you may have felt personally about Hoddle, he was much the better bet in 2004.

 

A lot of people bang on about loyalty. There is very little left in football nowadays, just ask the S****horpe supporters.

[saintsmike25]

Like I told you all Pardew only did 2 hours with the players a day! and that was on an 'intense' training day.

[CanadaSaint]

Lets simplify things. Would we have more likely to have got relegated under Hoddle than Sturrock/Wigley etc.

 

Most people would say no. Therefore, however you may have felt personally about Hoddle, he was much the better bet in 2004.

 

A lot of people bang on about loyalty. There is very little left in football nowadays, just ask the S****horpe supporters.

 

Dalek, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post.

 

You keep expressing your frustration at (what you believe to be) the misery foisted upon the vast majority by the "vocal minority" who supposedly prevented Hoddle from coming back in 2004.

 

I expressed my frustration at (what I believe to be) the misery foisted upon the majority by the vocal minority (i.e., you) with your endless and thoroughly tiresome bleating about Hoddle.

 

Dalek, I'm a pretty patient guy but - whether I agree with you or not (actually, I don't) - I've heard it so many times that I'm on the point of vomiting. And I suspect I'm in the majority.

 

Give it a permament rest, me old mate. I know you can post about other stuff 'cos I've seen you do it!

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Well it now looks that the criticism on here about the amateurish preparation for the season was pretty much spot on. Unfit, poor start again, so how good was Pardew, or wasn't he in charge of pre-season? This sounds more like it but I expected nothing less from Nigel Atkinson. Maybe at last we'll have some decent football to watch and I'll be able to stop taking painkillers for a stiff neck.

 

FFS....

[St Landrew]

Am I happy..? I wasn't when the proposed appointment of Adkins was first mooted. But I've read a little of his qualifications and his achievements, and he could be the very best person to take Saints forward. I can't get the uneasy feeling that the best manager, for the task, is the one we've let go, but I and We need to put that behind us, if there are others who have felt that way. I'm happy he's here and I'll support him 100%.

[St Landrew]

Dalek, you seem to have completely missed the point of my post.

 

You keep expressing your frustration at (what you believe to be) the misery foisted upon the vast majority by the "vocal minority" who supposedly prevented Hoddle from coming back in 2004.

 

I expressed my frustration at (what I believe to be) the misery foisted upon the majority by the vocal minority (i.e., you) with your endless and thoroughly tiresome bleating about Hoddle.

 

Dalek, I'm a pretty patient guy but - whether I agree with you or not (actually, I don't) - I've heard it so many times that I'm on the point of vomiting. And I suspect I'm in the majority.

 

Give it a permament rest, me old mate. I know you can post about other stuff 'cos I've seen you do it!

 

Have to say, I agree with this. Dalek, you need to stop playing this broken record, because most aren't listening, and the polite ones who are prepared to are sick to their stomachs with hearing it.

[Pilchards]

Hey Sue I'm sorry for letting you down on a first day training report as I took a holiday in Marbella instead so would anyone else :-)

I saw WGS first, Pardews, Hoddles, and another two which escape me now.

 

Referring too hard training, I remember WGS used to have a hell Wednesday as he make the players sprint to the half way line before jogging back and doing it again until they were blue in the face.

I remember that only Walcott and Telfer used to be the best survivors.

He used to practice the high ball one touch every session I saw too.

 

Pardew used to like setting up matches and keep stopping play when he was not happy (so often)

I also know that when he was not happy he would swear to the players alot.

Seen Harding get screamed right in his face, a verbal of ****'s in his face at the start of this season's training, maybe threes the wrong way to get your point across?

What is NA's style?

I will find out soon no doubt :-)

[Pilchards]

Sorry about the spelling, this IPhone has a mind of it's own.

 

Btw as for Hoddle's training Gorman did it all while he would often watch in the centre of the pitch, he hardly spoke but when he did the players would be sat around him on the centre circle.

[Window Cleaner]

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Just watching Villa destroy Stoke. I know Villa have got superb quality players but look at the express pace ripping Stoke apart and that is an experienced Stoke backline too. We need 4 loan players with express pace for the Colchester game in midfield, wide and up front, MK is too soon. That has to be the main criteria for our new loan/perm deals, raw pace. We've got people that can work with the ball so speed is the key.

 

but Stoke still won 2-1 didn't they??? Football is about one thing only, sticking the ball in the net,we have no-one capable of doing that and it's our only problem, hopefully Adkins will sort out this Lambert reliance straight away, get another striker in and get us playing on the deck.

[lordswoodsaints]

Like I told you all Pardew only did 2 hours with the players a day! and that was on an 'intense' training day.

 

Well that seemed to work ok last season,we narrowly missed out on a promotion opportunity (if it wasn't for the -10) and we won a cup final.

I'm not sticking up for pardew because he deserved to get the boot but if we did sh!t last season you would have had an argument.

[suspect everyone]

The poster on 606 may be full of it but there could well be in truth in the suggesion nevertheless. Puncheon, Lambert and Jaidi look in horrible condition, Puncheon looks about 3 yards slower this season, I can't believe he was the same player that terrorised Leeds last season. Hammond looks a bit on the heavy side as well. I'd drop all of them bar Lambert who I'd play into fitness and get the new loan players in the side instead to inject some pace and urgency.

 

Disgusted really that Saints just have not learned from the past, the only manager in recent times that has set up a decent pre-season programme was WGS and look at the results. I have a hunch that NA got the best of the Scunny lads by a big emphasis on fitness so the pie and chips members of the squad should be worried.

 

Completely agree with the WGS comment. It was no coincidence that when he had the players running up and down sanddunes during preseason some of our best seasons followed. I still believe that a lot of our last 10 minute collapses under Redknapp in that fateful season where we were relegated were down in part to a lack of fitness, and therefore a lack of concentration. If you're unfit and tired, you make mistakes.

 

When the OS had the indepth coverage of the recent preseason under AP in Austria I was concerned that there didn't seem to be enough emphasis on fitness. Where were the gruelling long distance runs? There seemed to be a lot of bike rides and leisurely walks up the local hills but no emphasis on getting the squad fit. I think we're now seeing the consequences of this, they're clearly unfit.

 

Glad to see Adkins has spotted this already. Get those lazy bastards fit Nigel and lets start climbing the table!

[OldNick]

I was critical of NA going back to say goodbye and not starting the job right away, still am. Last night Villa played and Houliier had not turned up as he was going to a managers award ceremony FFS. Talk about not getting your priorities right.He could easily sent someone on his behalf like others do.

[thefunkygibbons]

Good to read that we are focusing on fitness

 

Hope it can be recovered in time to get us into the top 6 by Christmas

[OldNick]

the bad start may turn out to be a blessing in disguise, it has lowered our expectations. if we had been top of the league the pressure from the fans would be pretty intense at present we would take a playoff position. The last third of the season is when we really need to do the business and lets hope the poor start ids then forgotten.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Completely agree with the WGS comment. It was no coincidence that when he had the players running up and down sanddunes during preseason some of our best seasons followed. I still believe that a lot of our last 10 minute collapses under Redknapp in that fateful season where we were relegated were down in part to a lack of fitness, and therefore a lack of concentration. If you're unfit and tired, you make mistakes.

 

When the OS had the indepth coverage of the recent preseason under AP in Austria I was concerned that there didn't seem to be enough emphasis on fitness. Where were the gruelling long distance runs? There seemed to be a lot of bike rides and leisurely walks up the local hills but no emphasis on getting the squad fit. I think we're now seeing the consequences of this, they're clearly unfit.

 

Glad to see Adkins has spotted this already. Get those lazy bastards fit Nigel and lets start climbing the table!

 

One big advantage of having an ex physio as manager there will be no excuses entertained!

[SFC Forever]

True and on top of that tomorrows game is a freebie for Nigel to see what we have close hand. Though a win would do me very nicely ta.