yorkiesaint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 We all wish for more width but that is not the major problem as we were winning plenty under AP with his game. the difference now is the pace of Antoinio and theunpredictablilty of Waigo is missed. I laugh at the constant dig at KD, you will in time be able to say you are right when a KD makes a gaff (all keepers are prone to it) but go back and look at the match reports over the last 3 seasons and you will see time and again 'fantastic stop by Kelvin' etc etc. Adding that you were a keeper means nothing, you may be brilliant at it or utter sh## doesn't mean you know the whole game, and if you believe that to be the case, i was a midfielder and attacker and so my thoughts on that override yours.I doubt you would agree in that case though. Paverotti was a wonderful singer, i didn't need to sing at the Albert hall to realise that. OLDNICK, you can't seriously be putting our poor performances down to the lack of Antonio and Waigo. In tight games they were consistently the weak link, and their unpredictability was in their inability to perform their defensive duties. They were at best impact players, although Antonio has a lot of time to improve his game. Lallana is without doubt the biggest absentee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Why are some of you making comments about "looking for another manager in the summer" ? This suggests to me that NC is VERY confident that Adkins is going to work out. And he had the time this time round to really think it over it seems. The only problem with this lie is that we know that the informed soccer press are widely castigating Cortese for his absolute lack of understanding of football and how it works, he is not in the network and has never been in football before so it is unlikely in the extreme that he'll know waht it takes to make a good football manager and ev less how then to develop him to get the best from him. If it was otherwise, Alan Pardew would still be here and I wouldn't be depressed with migraine! Just a footnote to those well wishers who think I'm forsaking Saints to watch the gooners... I am not! After this summer's fiasco and the total lack of competitiveness in the PL and increasingly the other leagues, I'm done with "pro-soccer" and will be watching Esatleigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 PS Last post should read "The only problem with this line..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 The only problem with this lie is that we know that the informed soccer press are widely castigating Cortese for his absolute lack of understanding of football and how it works, he is not in the network and has never been in football before so it is unlikely in the extreme that he'll know waht it takes to make a good football manager and ev less how then to develop him to get the best from him. If it was otherwise, Alan Pardew would still be here and I wouldn't be depressed with migraine! Just a footnote to those well wishers who think I'm forsaking Saints to watch the gooners... I am not! After this summer's fiasco and the total lack of competitiveness in the PL and increasingly the other leagues, I'm done with "pro-soccer" and will be watching Esatleigh. What are you back for? I thought you'd effed off like you promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I am quietly optimistic about Adkins and am thinking that this is shrewd move. There are a lot of positives in this appointment, not least of which is that Adkins is clearly a very intelligent fellah. I think he'll do alright. Welcome aboard Nigel, no hanging about, do your stuff!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I am not happy he has been appointed...I demand a bigger name. I dont care that we are 22nd in division 3..I feel we should have got a bigger name.. Big Ron, Joe Kinnear, George Graham or Dave Merrington should be immediately appointed in order to satisfy my ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I am not happy he has been appointed...I demand a bigger name. I dont care that we are 22nd in division 3..I feel we should have got a bigger name.. Big Ron, Joe Kinnear, George Graham or Dave Merrington should be immediately appointed in order to satisfy my ego I agree, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink should have been appointed as player manager. He has a big name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Personally, i still think the new manager will be MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 100% behind this appointment NOW, when the story first broke last week i was a bit "Who? Where`s the big name manager we all wanted?" BUT the more i`ve looked into his record and the more i`ve followed what he`s said and done over the last few days the more i`m looking forward to the rest of the season! I hope we get off to a winning start under NA on wed so that those doubters out there get off his back and start supporting the team again, let`s be that 12th man and roar our team onto the NPC! Nigel Adkins Red And White Army COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 OLDNICK, you can't seriously be putting our poor performances down to the lack of Antonio and Waigo. In tight games they were consistently the weak link, and their unpredictability was in their inability to perform their defensive duties. They were at best impact players, although Antonio has a lot of time to improve his game. Lallana is without doubt the biggest absentee. Poor finishing and lack of pace is why we have had a poor start. I can't prove we would have done better with those 2 in the side but I suggest we did look a lot better with them at our disposal.The games we have lost have been down to weak finishing, teams playing all the men behind the ball and us giving away soft goals. The overall performances have not been that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Well happy with the appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Well happy with the appointment. What's it got to do with Motherwell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Personally, i still think the new manager will be MON. Those of us who are ITK are aware that Nigel Adkins and Martin O'Neill are actually the same person, with different glasses, wigs and accents. "Martin" got the boot from Villa when Randy Lerner found this out. Ask yourselves this people - have you ever seen them in the same room? FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 That statement doesnt say any premiership managers applied. "the majority of which came from well respected managers currently working in the top two divisions of English football and abroad." I read at statement as managers from the Prem and Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I am not happy he has been appointed...I demand a bigger name. I dont care that we are 22nd in division 3..I feel we should have got a bigger name.. Big Ron, Joe Kinnear, George Graham or Dave Merrington should be immediately appointed in order to satisfy my ego Alan Pardew was a big name for a 3rd Div club. By all accounts Kevin Keegan was interested and 2 managers from the Premiership. Apparently we are seen as a good job. Probably because you won't be staying long and will walk away with a nice big wedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 "the majority of which came from well respected managers currently working in the top two divisions of English football and abroad." I read at statement as managers from the Prem and Championship. Nope. If we had 15 applications, with 8 of them were from Championship managers and 7 from lower divisions, overseas, or free agents , this statement would still be correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 wholly underwhelmed NA said the same about you, but dont worry he said you are still allowed in. Which is good news because the team will be well worth watching soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 (edited) Nope. If we had 15 applications, with 8 of them were from Championship managers and 7 from lower divisions, overseas, or free agents , this statement would still be correct It must be me! I thought (wrongly ?) that the top two divisions of the English league were The Premier and the Championship. Forget the number of applicants (Mind you, we were told we had 50!) Edited 13 September, 2010 by Norm spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 OLDNICK, you can't seriously be putting our poor performances down to the lack of Antonio and Waigo. In tight games they were consistently the weak link, and their unpredictability was in their inability to perform their defensive duties. They were at best impact players, although Antonio has a lot of time to improve his game. Lallana is without doubt the biggest absentee. I'm sorry but this simply isn't true. Not least the comment about them being the weak link in tight games. Antonio for example was the difference in a very tight game at St Marys against Charlton, where we one 1-0 and Antonio scored it. His pace and power was the difference that day along with a blinder from Kelvin. Towards the end of the season Antonio was alot more than an impact player, he was starting games ahead of Barnard, especially big games, home and away, and either playing upfront or wide right while Puncheon played just behind Lambert. I'd love for you to point out these tight games where he was a weak link...because I can go through his end of season run and show you what an important role he played the better he became. Waigo yes was an impact player, however to lose someone that had his impact, along with Antonio, means we have become one dimensional, and except for a 17yr old, we have no pace or another option. Especially so on the right side. Obviously we don't know what would have happened if they had been around, but certainly at home, we'd have different options to come on, and in Lallana's absence players like Antonio would have been ideal in games against Rochdale and Orient, where we simply lacked any pace, variety or unpredictability (Which you seem to make out as a flaw, but for me, is a fantastic option to have for any team.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 (edited) It mus be me! I thought (wrongly ?) that the top two divisions of the English league were The Premier and the Championship. Forget the number of applicants (Mind you, we were told we had 50!) People who are described as being on the top two of anything are usually second. They might be first, but if they are people normally say so explicitly. Edited 13 September, 2010 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Just because you say people were from the top two, doesnt mean any were in the top one. But I didn't say it! I only quoted the official quote from the CLUB. Have another look at the quote. It reads, "the majority of which came from well respected managers currently working in the top two divisions of English football and abroad." Those are The Premier and The Championship. Are those two not the TOP TWO divisions? OK, I give in. I've had too much excitement today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 But I didn't say it! I only quoted the official quote from the CLUB. Have another look at the quote. It reads, "the majority of which came from well respected managers currently working in the top two divisions of English football and abroad." Those are The Premier and The Championship. Are those two not the TOP TWO divisions? OK, I give in. I've had too much excitement today. No, you're right, but as I said earlier, having re-read it, it could be taken to mean the top two divisions of leagues abroad. It's a kind of catch-all statement. For instance, it could mean The Championship here, and The Eredivisie in Holland or some other top league in europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Love all this dissecting of quotes from the club. Club is clearly massaging the truth. Just as they have done with Adkins profile on the OS. It's not a good starting point when the club are embarrassed about your managerial career. Read the profile on the OS and you'll note they have expunged last year's 20th place finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 We all wish for more width but that is not the major problem as we were winning plenty under AP with his game. the difference now is the pace of Antoinio and theunpredictablilty of Waigo is missed. I laugh at the constant dig at KD, you will in time be able to say you are right when a KD makes a gaff (all keepers are prone to it) but go back and look at the match reports over the last 3 seasons and you will see time and again 'fantastic stop by Kelvin' etc etc. Adding that you were a keeper means nothing, you may be brilliant at it or utter sh## doesn't mean you know the whole game, and if you believe that to be the case, i was a midfielder and attacker and so my thoughts on that override yours.I doubt you would agree in that case though. Paverotti was a wonderful singer, i didn't need to sing at the Albert hall to realise that. Adkins was a goalkeeper, that was the comment, as for Davis he is a shotstopper, but as a goalkeeper he is a bloody nightmare. Doesn't communicate, hardly ever passes short, never comes off his line at corners to help out his defence and seems to have a very fragile confidence threshold. Short term I'd like to see Bart given a go but if he doesn't hack it we'll need to bring one in. Davis is part of the problem not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Saints in cover up shock horror ...... Move on boy's & girls please ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Love all this dissecting of quotes from the club. Club is clearly massaging the truth. Just as they have done with Adkins profile on the OS. It's not a good starting point when the club are embarrassed about your managerial career. Read the profile on the OS and you'll note they have expunged last year's 20th place finish. liverpool finished above fulham last season...would you say benitez did better than hodgson...or is it all relative..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Adkins out. LOL!!!! you got there first alright!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 this is a really difficult one for me, I've voted 'no' but only because i don't think we should of been looking for a manager as Pardew should still be here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 First interview by NA on the OS now for those that are interested ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I would bet my house that no current Premier League managers applied for the job. I don't think it's a brilliantly worded statement from the club, but I don't think its meant to imply that we had applications from the English Prem. People saying Holloway might have applied, why on earth would he? The guy has spent his entire career trying to get to the Prem, why would he drop all that to come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 indeed.. massive LOL at those saying Holloway and MoN were in the running LOL indeed from a set of massively arrogant saints fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 How's Dalek taking the news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 indeed.. massive LOL at those saying Holloway and MoN were in the running LOL indeed from a set of massively arrogant saints fans 100% agree. I mean, MON?, PMSL. In my neck of the woods they think that the fact that Adkins has stepped down a league speaks volumes for our ambitions. A fact that seems to be lost on Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggleman Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 How many Man Utd fans we're singing the praises when Alex Ferguson was appointed? EXACTLY the same situation, came from Aberdeen where his job was safe and walked into Old Trafford with all the pressure of the fans on him and now look at him. He's probably THE most loyal manager in the game today, numerous positions have been offered to him over the years and he has turned them all down flat. Not many Arsenal fans we're overly delighted about Arsene Wenger when he first went and despite not winning anything for a few seasons they are still sticking with him. Personally I'm excited about Adkins, I see something Fergie-esk about him! The will to succeed with the motivation to make a name for himself AND the loyalty he has shown to Scunny makes him a great appointment for me. I won't stick my neck out and say he WILL be the best thing to happen to this club in a long time but I will say that I think he could well be. By that I mean seeing out his 1st contract (the 3 years that was signed yesterday) anything more will be a massive bonus as that's something every manager I have seen in recent years has been unable to do due to either incompetency from the chairmen or clubs/nations poaching them from us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Sorry if discussed,etc. but does any one know if Wilkins is still with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Adkins was a goalkeeper, that was the comment, as for Davis he is a shotstopper, but as a goalkeeper he is a bloody nightmare. Doesn't communicate, hardly ever passes short, never comes off his line at corners to help out his defence and seems to have a very fragile confidence threshold. Short term I'd like to see Bart given a go but if he doesn't hack it we'll need to bring one in. Davis is part of the problem not the solution. Ok I didn't get that you meant NA was a keeper. I still think it is laughable that people say KD is a shotstopper, what the hell is a keeper supposed to be?? We are a third tier football team and have a 2nd tier goalkeeper. Find a good shotstopper, distributor, good on crosses , commands an area and you won't find one in world football. You will find many who can do most things but you wont tick all the boxes. there is not a keeper who hass never made errors and it is a shame that we can't see how good a keeper we have in this league. Personally i think we should be looking for another keeper as time will take its toll and KD should not be our first choice next season. Bart IMo is not the answer but Id be happy for him to have his chance but form the time i met him and other friends have he is too insular and shy to make it to the top, i do hope Im wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 The more I read about him the more I like the sound of him. Our only priority is to get the hell out of this shytehole of a league. He has showed he can do that. Ignore the Championship for now, when we do get back there, we'll really see if Adkins has what it takes. Unlike Scunny, we won't be strapped for resources. The team as it stands needs some attacking additions, frees or loans. Adkins will see that, I hope to see one or two names brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 LOL at the numerous posters using this week's buzzword "Underwhelmed." Probably, in the case of many, for the first time in their lives. Why? because they had all swallowed the complete load of horlicks that O'Neill was on his way. I hope they also believe in the Tooth Fairy, crop circles and a peaceful solution in Afghanistan. All just as likely. Well said! Can't believe some fantacists actually believed th O'Neill stuff - quite ridiculous. As for being underwhelmed, well great, then your expectations will be low and you won't be giving him stick if he doesn't immediately turn things around. Will you? Have just read his interview on the OS, and like his common sense, no nonsense, "football is a simple game" approach (it is!). Puts me in mind of Worthington actually. He will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Sorry if discussed,etc. but does any one know if Wilkins is still with us? Yes, he is. He is now 1st team coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Now hes here lets hope the players respond accordingly and start to win some games. I bloody well hope we do we need to go up this season for ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Yes, he is. He is now 1st team coach. Excellent news, it is re-assuring to know that if we sack Adkins we have a very capabable caretaker manager ready to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 not sure about the appointment. Will give them a chance . hope they surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I didn't want AP to go because I think he could have achieved top 2 but that's history now and I've warmed to NA. Standing up for Scunny's compo was an honourable thing to do + he has a proven track record in this division playing decent football. Fingers crossed he can kick start this team back into life in the next 2-3 games and go on to have a serious tilt at top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Happy with the appointment - now the work starts - especially on our fitness (or lack of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 COYR we have a good manager now we can go up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamms_schmitz Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Good to see meridian haven't changed their views on southampton. The new manager got virtually zero coverage on the 6pm news. Bring on South Today. I am expecting much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Not Hoddle, but there you go. Good luck to ur new manager. We musr all give him our 100% SUPPORT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 I would have gone for a big name appointment but Adkins could be a better long term prospect so I'm happy. The important thing is he's got experience of getting out of THIS league, that is all that matters. Wether he can manage in the Championship or not doesn't matter one bit at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 Agree with Art on the numbness . Hope that I can turn from being so numb that the Swindon result recieved at most a shrug back to eternal optamist come Wednesday. At the moment I feel simular to pre Brissle but with out the angst or expectation I held before. I think some of this apathy stems back to 2004, at the end of the day I thought we were going forward. Still waiting for this to happen. Nigel make it so. You are right to pinpoint 2004 as the start of our decline, presumably you refer to the appointment of Sturrock over Hoddle. The result in no small part of the vocal minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 September, 2010 Share Posted 13 September, 2010 (edited) You are right to pinpoint 2004 as the start of our decline, presumably you refer to the appointment of Sturrock over Hoddle. The result in no small part of the vocal minority. Why do you keep posting that over and over and over again....what do you expect or want everyone to lie and say you are right? Do you want them to bow down in homage to the great Hoddle who did bugger all since he walked out on us? Because you post it over and pover again doesnt make it right. Sturrock had a 38% win ratio had he been in charge for 2 more games we may of stayed up! So blame the guy who sacked him not the crowd. Edited 13 September, 2010 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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