Looking forward to Adkins?

[Prince Jazzbo]

Based on what? Adkins has two promotions from this league to Pardews one.

 

And an appearence at the JPT Final, although he lost. So in actual fact, its possible that at this point in his managerial career Adkins as probably acheived as much if not more.

 

I wonder what we'd have thought if when we were in the Prem and O'Neil was favourite to leave Wycombe and become our manager, you can bet that half the people on here would have been up in arms about that.

Edited 12 September, 2010 by Prince Jazzbo

[kpturner]

Excatly,i too am being pilloried.

Drama queen or what?

[scotty]

I'll look forward to Adkins if he does finally turn up.

 

He has a track record of getting out of this league with scant resources and comes across as a decent, intelligent and honorable guy. I really like the sound of him.

 

To those of you who question whether he is prem material may I remind you that we are in league 1 and will never get to the prem if we don't get out of league 1.

 

One step at at time please folks.

 

The trouble is we have already messed up our first 5 games and with confidence so low will probably need another 2-3 to get back up and running so even if he joined today we have a huge challenge to get top 2 now.

I can't believe how much of a **** up we've made of this season so far.

 

I can.

[madruss]

I'm looking forward to Adkins. Twice he's managed to get a squad with only a fraction of the talent of our current squad, out of this league. He clearly knows how to get the best out of players, and is well regarded as a very intelligent manager in the football world. I understand people might have doubts, but to write him off is utter lunacy imo

[RonManager]

Shut up with that arrogant talk!

 

So my post is arrogant because I don't agree with his appointment.....sums this forum up really.

 

Tow the company line or be labeled as a lunatic.

 

Don't be so silly

 

Excatly,i too am being pilloried for not just accepting Adkins as 'the one for saints' and forming a differing opinion.

 

Drama queen or what?

 

 

What's all this shouting - we'll have no trouble here!!

 

[CB Fry]

I'll look forward to Adkins if he does finally turn up.

 

He has a track record of getting out of this league with scant resources and comes across as a decent, intelligent and honorable guy. I really like the sound of him.

 

To those of you who question whether he is prem material may I remind you that we are in league 1 and will never get to the prem if we don't get out of league 1.

 

One step at at time please folks.

 

The trouble is we have already messed up our first 5 games and with confidence so low will probably need another 2-3 to get back up and running so even if he joined today we have a huge challenge to get top 2 now.

 

I can't believe how much of a **** up we've made of this season so far.

 

 

It's a shame he doesn't have a track record of getting out of this (or any) division with tons of resources, a squad packed with stars and a massive weight of expectation from one of the biggest fan bases in the football league.

 

He doesn't even have a track record of walking into a club, shaking it up and reviving it. He's only ever worked at one league football club and that's been for 14 years where he's been part of the furniture and in an unquestioned position of respect/authority built on years of service. He simply won't have that at St Mary's.

 

We'll see how he goes, but I don't think he is the perfect fit some are making out. Massive, massive gamble IMO.

[Dazza82]

There is something about him that reminds me of arsene wenger, the way he conducts himself and the way ive seen scu nthorpe play, obviously he isnt the same standard as wenger but there is just that little someting that reminds me of him

[kpturner]

It's a shame he doesn't have a track record of getting out of this (or any) division with tons of resources, a squad packed with stars....

Fortunately he won't have to worry about that at Saints will he? Edited 12 September, 2010 by kpturner

[Dalek2003]

It's a shame he doesn't have a track record of getting out of this (or any) division with tons of resources, a squad packed with stars and a massive weight of expectation from one of the biggest fan bases in the football league.

 

He doesn't even have a track record of walking into a club, shaking it up and reviving it. He's only ever worked at one league football club and that's been for 14 years where he's been part of the furniture and in an unquestioned position of respect/authority built on years of service. He simply won't have that at St Mary's.

 

We'll see how he goes, but I don't think he is the perfect fit some are making out. Massive, massive gamble IMO.

 

For once I agree with you totally CBFRY, we need a big name manager. Gordon Strachan ?

[derry]

Well i hope so, i can't answer that.

 

but he certainly deserves a chance and he'll get my support. The fact that our fans are texting in solent and saying ''what are we doing appointing this relative nobody?'' shows how arrogant we've become.

 

We are L1, and L1 for a reason.

 

No it doesn't, it shows how poor their knowledge of the football scene is, and how stupid they are, making comments.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm not whelmed by the thought of Adkins but we are in desperate need of getting this whole sorry affair sorted. If he's the best that we can get then he'll have to do.

[derry]

It's amazing as some of the same people who about six weeks ago, when criticism was made of the way we were carrying out our pre season, were putting down those posters with comments along the lines of the pre season doesn't matter, or we'll walk this league. Now some of those same people are talking down one of the most qualified and successful in real terms managers that has managed to over achieve in his last job. I hope their judgement continues to be as flawed in this as it was during pre season.

[SaintRichmond]

For once I agree with you totally CBFRY, we need a big name manager. Gordon Strachan ?

 

Yup, in about two matches time, Middlesborough will get rid of him

 

I wonder if Cortese will drag out the Adkins Compo until then ???

[Huntingdon]

I'm totally baffled at people's opposition to NA

Let's just stop our arrogance getting the best of us!

 

Before we start talking about Championship promotion campaigns, we need to go from 22nd in L1 to promotion from this division

Adkins has been promoted twice from this league with a smaller club, smaller fanbase, and smaller budgets - He's a brilliant choice ffs

 

All this talk of Martin O'Neill LOL

 

When was the last time Martin O'Neill got promoted from any league, let alone this one?

[NickG]

And of course you do know what is within his capability and what isn't? Of course everyone will give him a chance, what choice do we have?

 

If you want a list of why he might fail, try this:

 

1 He's only managed at one professional league club.

2 he's not experienced the kind of pressure and expectation at Scunny that he will get here

3 He's not a "name" that will get the fans excited and so he needs to prove himself quickly

4 He won't immediately command the respect of the dressing room

 

Of course he may be able to overcome those obstacles - I hope he does. It's not moronic to poin them out though.

 

1 - better have someone who has been sacked a few times then!

2- agree

3- so what? want a manager, would you prefer Colleen?

4 -why not? depends on how he addresses the team -players will have preconceived idea about a "name" which maybe negative anyway

[sandwichsaint]

It's amazing as some of the same people who about six weeks ago, when criticism was made of the way we were carrying out our pre season, were putting down those posters with comments along the lines of the pre season doesn't matter, or we'll walk this league. Now some of those same people are talking down one of the most qualified and successful in real terms managers that has managed to over achieve in his last job. I hope their judgement continues to be as flawed in this as it was during pre season.

 

You forgot to mention those, it's probably the same people, who said we would 'easily' replace Antonio and/or Waigo, they weren't that good, and there would be plenty of opportunities to buy or rent suitable replacements. That's turned out well too hasn't it?

[Dr Who?]

It's a shame he doesn't have a track record of getting out of this (or any) division with tons of resources, a squad packed with stars and a massive weight of expectation from one of the biggest fan bases in the football league.

 

He doesn't even have a track record of walking into a club, shaking it up and reviving it. He's only ever worked at one league football club and that's been for 14 years where he's been part of the furniture and in an unquestioned position of respect/authority built on years of service. He simply won't have that at St Mary's.

 

We'll see how he goes, but I don't think he is the perfect fit some are making out. Massive, massive gamble IMO.

 

I agree with this post 100%. Did we not bring Rednapp in as he had a great record of wheeling and dealing to keep teams up? But Ssouthampton were the wrong team and the wrong set up at the wrong time for him. It does not mean that just because you do a good job for a 'smaller' club that a run in a completely different way that he could walk into our club and do the same.

 

I do not think he is the right man for SFC at this moment in time, but as i have also said he is probably our best choice unless WGS, or Kevin Keegan want the job. I still think KK with Shearer would be good. Also without knwing who else is on the list I cannot really make the choice who would be best, but from what we are led to believe then Adkins is the best choice of what we have on offer.

[Dr Who?]

I'm totally baffled at people's opposition to NA

Let's just stop our arrogance getting the best of us!

 

Before we start talking about Championship promotion campaigns, we need to go from 22nd in L1 to promotion from this division

Adkins has been promoted twice from this league with a smaller club, smaller fanbase, and smaller budgets - He's a brilliant choice ffs

 

All this talk of Martin O'Neill LOL

 

When was the last time Martin O'Neill got promoted from any league, let alone this one?

 

The only reason I talk about promotion from the championship and then life in the Premier league is because that is the line we are being told by our chairman. The 5 year plan is what he has been going on about since he has come into the club, so why not aim high? We are led to believe that there is plenty of money to supoort what we are trying to achieve, so why not push the boat out and sell this 5 year plan to a higher standard (level) of manager on the back of this plan. We are now in year two of this plan and do not have a manager.

 

I just think we should be able to get a higher standard manager on the back of the current status (Financial and expectations) of the club.

 

I also wish that people would stop calling other fans arrogant, as we all want to achieve what the chairman has laid out for the future of SFC and we all want this to happen. After all this is what being a football fan is all about, we all have different ways that we believe we should achieve this. But at the end of the day we ALL want Saints to get back to the Premier League.

 

Can we just agree to be a little split on how we should do this but whoever it is be 100% behind them?

[doddisalegend]

I love the way people claim they want a bigger name... Ok, who... Oh yeah, you want managers who we would struggle to get in should we be a prem club.. Unless you want phil brown???

 

Adkins is willing to drop a division and come here to a league he has got out of twice in 3 years. Right now, I could not give a monkeys if he has no prem experience. Sort of not an issue when you are 3rd bottom of division 3

 

.

Also, when did saints fans turn into such arrogant fukkers?

 

 

The day after it turned out we'd been bought by a guy with loads of money, has being going on ever since, I blame all those who kept banging on a bout all the money we spent last season suddenly we were the "Man city of the lower leagues" b ollocks are we. All those people banging on about us losing to "lesser" teams don't help either.

[Crab Lungs]

People are saying that Adkins had a lesser squad than he'd inherit here. Hmmm, maybe so, maybe not. I think that perhaps, he had a better squad in all reality as he was better at procuring and developing players. Which is, in essence, win-win for Saints. Perhaps, just maybe, we are upgrading on Pardew - maybe not in name or reputation, but in ability.

 

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[NickG]

The only reason I talk about promotion from the championship and then life in the Premier league is because that is the line we are being told by our chairman. The 5 year plan is what he has been going on about since he has come into the club, so why not aim high? We are led to believe that there is plenty of money to supoort what we are trying to achieve, so why not push the boat out and sell this 5 year plan to a higher standard (level) of manager on the back of this plan. We are now in year two of this plan and do not have a manager.

 

I just think we should be able to get a higher standard manager on the back of the current status (Financial and expectations) of the club.

 

I also wish that people would stop calling other fans arrogant, as we all want to achieve what the chairman has laid out for the future of SFC and we all want this to happen. After all this is what being a football fan is all about, we all have different ways that we believe we should achieve this. But at the end of the day we ALL want Saints to get back to the Premier League.

 

Can we just agree to be a little split on how we should do this but whoever it is be 100% behind them?

 

who is higher standard and would want to come?

[simo]

Tbh I'm looking forward to anyone coming in even brown is starting to sound good atm!

[Ewell]

At first I was pretty underwhelmed at the link with Adkins but the more I have found out about him and the way he has behaved this week have impressed me greatly. Anyone who has any doubts then do yourselves a favour and purchase today’s copy of the football league paper. There are 3 articles linked to him and they all impressed me greatly. This man could really be the bright forward thinking manager I have wanted since we lost our place in the Premier League. I just wish Cortese would stop ****ing about and pay S****horpe the compensation they deserve. He and our club have acted appallingly this week.

[Foxstone]

At first I was pretty underwhelmed at the link with Adkins but the more I have found out about him and the way he has behaved this week have impressed me greatly. Anyone who has any doubts then do yourselves a favour and purchase today’s copy of the football league paper. There are 3 articles linked to him and they all impressed me greatly. This man could really be the bright forward thinking manager I have wanted since we lost our place in the Premier League. I just wish Cortese would stop ****ing about and pay S****horpe the compensation they deserve. He and our club have acted appallingly this week.

 

I agree with the first part of your post - Adkins does indeed come across as a forward thinking and capable manager,who could do very well with us.

 

But I totally disagree with your assessment that we ( and indeed Nicola) have behaved badly. It appears we (he) has offered Scunny the compensation they deserve, except Scunny want more compensation than they deserve!

[Saint Fan CaM]

with a masive 61% possession, 11 shot on, 10 off & 10 corners I'd be delighted if a manager of ours could produce that for us.

 

I would agree wholeheartedly if it produced a won game. That's our problem at the moment with the players we've got - lots of passing and possession...no end result and a clueless, statuesque defence.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I also wish that people would stop calling other fans arrogant, as we all want to achieve what the chairman has laid out for the future of SFC and we all want this to happen. After all this is what being a football fan is all about, we all have different ways that we believe we should achieve this. But at the end of the day we ALL want Saints to get back to the Premier League.

 

Absolutely agree with what you've said there. There are many decent posters who don't resort to insults just because they disagree with a point of view and I suspect there are quite a few who just don't bother posting anymore because of the infantile bickering. Even when you report a post nothing gets done.

[saint lard]

I don't need to know- I am not the one being paid to select the next manager. I am just trusting the judgement of the person that is, based on what he sees as the correct way forward and how the potential candidates have come across in the interview. Saint Lard reckons that Cortese didn't get on with Pardew "from the word go" and therefore must be crap at interviews. LOL. Where is the evidence of that? We don't know why that appointment failed do we, other than he said he "had no choice" a couple of days ago.

 

When did I call you a moron? However, if you want to spout off about all the reasons why this is going to fail then carry on. If you think that is productive then good for you. IMHO it is small minded.

Wrong,being crap at interviews is not what i was insinuating,perhaps he had a poor judge of character when considering the following, the ability to fit in and work with others,achieve targets set,flexiibility in the roles given,Cortese made an assessment that Pardew met this and footballing criteria, as i would think any potential employers would,this appears not to have been the case due to the fact he is gone in a year.He is falable like others therefore it is not beyond the realms of possibility he has made another managerial appointment mistake.Which is the side i have fallen down on.

Don't twist and judge what other post to meet the criteria of your agenda,have an open mind,not a small and closed one.

Not everyone agrees all the time,what a boring world it would be.

Put me on ignore if my views don't run parrallel with yours.

 

Edited 12 September, 2010 by saint lard

[dune]

I think he'll do well, but it's going to be a tough job turning this season around the way it's going.

[Wade Garrett]

Just get him in.

 

The players are tossing it off with Wilkins.

[kpturner]

Wrong,being crap at interviews is not what i was insinuating,perhaps he had a poor judge of character when considering the following, the ability to fit in and work with others,achieve targets set,flexiibility in the roles given,Cortese made an assessment that Pardew met this and footballing criteria, as i would think any potential employers would,this appears not to have been the case due to the fact he is gone in a year.He is falable like others therefore it is not beyond the realms of possibility he has made another managerial appointment mistake.Which is the side i have fallen down on.

Don't twist and judge what other post to meet the criteria of your agenda,have an open mind,not a small and closed one.

Not everyone agrees all the time,what a boring world it would be.

Put me on ignore if my views don't run parrallel with yours.

 

Sorry - but this did make me laugh. So you were not insinuating he is crap at interviews - you are just saying that he probably gets it wrong when he selects what he considers to be the best candidate Pardon me for not seeing the subtle difference there.

 

And you are judging our prospective new manager before he even starts - and then tell me to have an open mind.....

[saint lard]

Sorry - but this did make me laugh. So you were not insinuating he is crap at interviews - you are just saying that he probably gets it wrong when he selects what he considers to be the best candidate Pardon me for not seeing the subtle difference there.

 

And you are judging our prospective new manager before he even starts - and then tell me to have an open mind.....

Too early to make a judgement,never too early to have an opinion,there is a difference.

He got it wrong once its not impossible to make the same mistake twice.

As i have said,i hope i'm wrong.

[saint1977]

I, like CB Fry and others have my doubts about NA as this is not a job for the timid and is a big, big challenge. He's going to have to bring in at least 4 loan signings with pace straight away and probably prepare to get rid of quite a few faces in January (Hammond etc). He also has the problem of by far our best player and the best player at this level, Adam Lallana being injured and out of contract at the end of the season.

 

We will lose games and stay in the bottom four until we get some pace and steel in the side. Without that and Lallana, we are a very, very poor League 1 side. We need to loan out one of the surplus left backs. Once Richardson is fit, Butterfield can cover across the back four so probably don't need to reinforce there with Martin's impressive emergence. Hammond and Morgan both need dropping as they are not Southampton calibre although Morgan shows flashes, we need two pacey box to box players, one wide player with blistering pace and at least one striker to put a rocket up Lambert and Barnard's backsides. Connolly - pay him up and go on a free, miles past it, poor error by Pardew keeping him on. I still think we lack leadership but getting Hammond out of the side will help.

 

NA has to throw down the gauntlet and forget the favourites tag, these players have to justify that they deserve to represent Saints first, only 5-6 of them have so far constently earned this. I'm away for the next two games so hopefully when I am back NA will have brought an iron rod from his old club and really shaken up our lazy, overpaid flops and brought in lots of pacy, motivated new signings and booted the likes of Puncheon out of the squad.

[kpturner]

Too early to make a judgement,never too early to have an opinion,there is a difference.

He got it wrong once its not impossible to make the same mistake twice.

As i have said,i hope i'm wrong.

Did he get it wrong with Pardew? Maybe not from a footballing perspective. He seems to have made it very clear in his revealing question time the other night that the dismissal of Pardew (and co) was a sudden and unavoidable decision based on non-football related matters. You cannot legislate for that type of thing when selecting a suitable candidate without a crystal ball. If it turns out that Adkins (if he does come) turns out to be a complete waste of space I will be very disappointed of course - but at the moment I am satisfied to think that the Chairman will/has make the best decision based the interviews he has conducted. Adkins may not be the big name many people wanted, but I don't think there is any reason to fear the worst just because of that.

 

You said:

Not everyone agrees all the time,what a boring world it would be.

Put me on ignore if my views don't run parrallel with yours.

Don't you think it is therefore slightly ironic that you are getting the hump with me because I am disagreeing with you? If not Adkins, then who would you have as the ideal candidate for the job? Who do you think has all the attributes that you think Adkins is missing - including the essential attribute of being here for the long haul and not just chucking it when something better comes along (or when the Chairman pis5es him off)?

[CWD]

I really hope Adkins doesn't read this forum before he arrives!

 

FFS how can you judge someone before he's done anything? O'Neill used to manage Wycombe, Ferguson was at East Sterlingshire and St. Mirren, everyone has to start somewhere

 

We were told that the appointment would 'show the fans that Cortese knows what he is doing', which bizarrely turned into 'the new manager will have a WOW factor'. Well it would have been very easy for NC to throw money at MON or KK. But what he's actually done is look to appoint a young, talented, clever, honourable manager who crucially has experience of getting out of this league. This tells me that he knows what he is doing. I am very excited about the good football we will play, and the chance to watch Adkins grow into someone with the pedigree of MoN, KK, Sir Alex, Wenger etc etc.

 

I think we should welcome him with open arms and get right behind him from the off

[The Majestic Channon]

Post 25 is a gem

[doddisalegend]

This place is a joke. Our fans are a joke. We deserve what we're getting.

 

What back to back promotions.....

[doddisalegend]

Funny I thought the same had happened to us. It appears that Rickie Lambert has been replaced with a double who can't score.

 

**** me did I write that....really sorry Rickie...I'm going outside to shoot myself right now

[This Charming Man]

No.

He will be an unmitigated failure,if not in the short term,in the long term.

 

Agreed.

[trousers]

I realise some people will consider me bonkers, but...........

 

I think Adkins has the potential to be more successful than Lawrie Mac!

 

He's achieved miracles at a tiny club, he's very intelligent and has more badges than is actually required

I like his interviews too, I imagine he's a great motivator & that's what we need right now

 

^This

[The Majestic Channon]

**** me did I write that....really sorry Rickie...I'm going outside to shoot myself right now

 

If you posted that during his lean spell it was prob fair comment at the time

[Whitey Grandad]

Post 25 is a gem

 

I don't see how you could be an unmitigated failure in the long term. If it ever got to be a long term then the period in between must be mitigating cricumstances.

[Dig Dig]

Agreed.

 

My personal favourite saint lard moment was when he alluded to the fact that we would have been better off with Cotterill just before the start of this season.

[miserableoldgit]

My personal favourite saint lard moment was when he alluded to the fact that we would have been better off with Cotterill just before the start of this season.

Is Saint Lard still around?? Be interesting to hear his views now.

[Dig Dig]

Is Saint Lard still around?? Be interesting to hear his views now.

 

It wasn't too long ago that he was on here proclaiming that Adkins was still riding the crest of Pardews wave do I don't think much has changed.

[Armitage Shanks]

What digging up these old threads goes to show - quite unsurprisingly - is that the vast majority of people on this site are completely and utterly clueless when it comes to managers, players, formations, how to run a club etc etc. In other words they know nothing about football. I include myself in that. Very funny indeed some of the cr*p we come out with. We shouldn't be allowed loose on society.

[Dr Who?]

Oh dear, I got this one completely wrong but that is football very hard to predict.

 

Still cannot believe some of things I siad..... never been so happy to be so so so wrong!!

[Minty]

We've all been wrong before, that's football... the only thing that surprises me therefore is the arrogance with which people put across their opinions sometimes, knowing that they have every chance of being proven wrong. A bit of humility wouldn't go amiss with some posters.

[graveworm]

Totally Hilarious reading through this lot

Got to admire people`s ability to turn a.r.s.e over face

[Thedelldays]

saint lard....do you still think the players don't play for adkins..?

[farawaysaint]

Ok ok, well done 1976 child and TDD the rest of us are bleeding idiots about football From now on Dellday's word is law!