Looking forward to Adkins?

[Torres]

Jesus Christ, I have never agreed with TDD so much and on every post he has made on this thread.

 

What a bunch of ignorant and deluded fans there are here.

 

[S-Clarke]

I don't think he's the right man for the job so not really enthused about his arrival if it happens.

 

This quote from the scunny forum stands out for me....

 

'He's going to need good luck,limited manager sacked by spring'

 

This says it all for me and I believe this will be the case.

 

That's a silly quote to make though, because the majority of quotes (probably about 80/90%) on the scvnphorpe forum are praising him for being their best ever manager and don't want him to go - they think they're certs. for relegation without him.

 

So that's just a case of picking 1 post out and basing your opinion on that.

[Minsk]

Yep, he got out of this league twice wth the same club, under his tenure throughout.

And you have highlighted my other concern " will be here long enough for the CCC"well,that is great forward planning.As i say,short term appointment and shortsighted.

Rochdale,Plymouth have considerably less resources available than ours.

 

As you say he got Scunny out of this Division twice, and the reason he had to do that was because they did not have the resources to cement there place in the one above. On the first occasion he got them up there this meant they came straight back down. At his 2nd attempt he managed to keep them there, with still very limited resources. Again, as you point out, this would not be the case with us. Therefore, I am also of the opine that he will serve us well once he does get us up. How he would cope in the prem is, of course, totally unknown to anyone at this time.

[surrey1saint]

Jesus Christ, I have never agreed with TDD so much and on every post he has made on this thread.

 

What a bunch of ignorant and deluded fans there are here.

 

 

You have got that right!

[Saint Charlie]

Some loons on here. Ask anyone in football and they only have good things to say about Adkins. Ask anyone here and he is useless before he has started.

 

This is where those bull**** MON rumours do nobody any favours, they raise already warped expectations to crazy levels.

 

Adkins will do well so prepare serious helpings of humble pie.

 

Also maybe actually do a google search and read about him because clearly

Most of you know very little about his credentials!

[Shroppie]

I love the way people claim they want a bigger name... Ok, who... Oh yeah, you want managers who we would struggle to get in should we be a prem club.. Unless you want phil brown???

 

Adkins is willing to drop a division and come here to a league he has got out of twice in 3 years. Right now, I could not give a monkeys if he has no prem experience. Sort of not an issue when you are 3rd bottom of division 3

 

 

Also, when did saints fans turn into such arrogant fukkers?

 

Agreed. Big name is nothing at our level, and you need to remember what our level is! I was sorry to lose AP but we need a manager who can shake this squad up, motivate them, make things happen bit like Pearson did to keep us up. Would have been great to get him back btw . But I'll settle for NA or someone like Mowbray.

[SaintRichmond]

That's a silly quote to make though, because the majority of quotes (probably about 80/90%) on the scvnphorpe forum are praising him for being their best ever manager and don't want him to go - they think they're certs. for relegation without him.

 

So that's just a case of picking 1 post out and basing your opinion on that.

 

One thing the Scunny Forum agree on though

 

They do NOT rate Crosby

 

Baraclough is far better. in their opinion

 

Apparently, Wharton won't let BOTH go, so I gues we'll end up with Crosby

 

( Negotiations are still continuing for Stills, Nash and Young )

[St Jim]

Well let's see, Scunny lost 2-0 at home today. And that was with a massive 61% of possession, 11 shots on target, 10 shots off target, 10 corners.

 

with a masive 61% possession, 11 shot on, 10 off & 10 corners I'd be delighted if a manager of ours could produce that for us.

[saint lard]

Some loons on here. Ask anyone in football and they only have good things to say about Adkins. Ask anyone here and he is useless before he has started.

 

This is where those bull**** MON rumours do nobody any favours, they raise already warped expectations to crazy levels.

 

Adkins will do well so prepare serious helpings of humble pie.

 

Also maybe actually do a google search and read about him because clearl

 

Most of you know very little about his credentials!

 

That's the point, i have read his credentials,nothing to get overly excited in my view whatsoever.

You know no more than i do about him,let alone how he will fare here.

You just come to a different conclusion by reading exactly the same as me and forming an opinion.

Damn those opinions,who would of thought it eh,on a forum for football fans.

Edited 12 September, 2010 by saint lard

[Torres]

Some loons on here. Ask anyone in football and they only have good things to say about Adkins. Ask anyone here and he is useless before he has started.

 

This is where those bull**** MON rumours do nobody any favours, they raise already warped expectations to crazy levels.

 

Adkins will do well so prepare serious helpings of humble pie.

 

Also maybe actually do a google search and read about him because clearly

Most of you know very little about his credentials!

 

http://soccerlens.com/nigel-adkins-profile/6223/

[Saint Charlie]

That's the point i have read his credentials,nothing to get overly excited in my view whatsoever.

You know no more than i do about him,let alone how he will fare here.

You just come to a different conclusion by reading exactly the same as me and forming an opinion.

Damn those opinions,who would of thought it eh,on a forum for football fans.

 

What part of his credentials do you not rate? What more could he really have done

[lordswoodsaints]

That's a silly quote to make though, because the majority of quotes (probably about 80/90%) on the scvnphorpe forum are praising him for being their best ever manager and don't want him to go - they think they're certs. for relegation without him.

 

So that's just a case of picking 1 post out and basing your opinion on that.

 

That's right,I picked out the quote that best summed up my feelings about his appointment.

 

Some think he will be the new messiah,some are unsure and will sit on the fence and some think he is not the man for the job,these are all opinions pretty much based on nothing.

Nobody can be sure of what will happen but my opinion/gut feeling is he will fall on his arse and we will be looking for another new manager within a year.

 

he is a new/up and coming manager with possible potential but I don't think that is what we need right now.

I don't know who should get the job but I think we need a manager that has done their learning,served their time and is the finished product.

 

All IMO.

[SaintRichmond]

That's right,I picked out the quote that best summed up my feelings about his appointment.

 

Some think he will be the new messiah,some are unsure and will sit on the fence and some think he is not the man for the job,these are all opinions pretty much based on nothing.

Nobody can be sure of what will happen but my opinion/gut feeling is he will fall on his arse and we will be looking for another new manager within a year.

 

he is a new/up and coming manager with possible potential but I don't think that is what we need right now.

I don't know who should get the job but I think we need a manager that has done their learning,served their time and is the finished product.

All IMO.

 

KIndly provide a list of "possibles"

[Special K]

Why does it all have to decend into petty *****ing and insults? There are some here who have expressed disappointment with the appointment but i hardly think that reason for them to be called moronic, deluded or arrogant; terms which the accusers would doubtless protest about being called themselves.

 

I wait to be convinced of the new man and his ability, but will remain open minded. However given that NC said at the start of last season he wanted PL football in 5 years, i cannot see bringing NA in as a statement of that sort of intent.

[Professor]

Its impossible to pre-judge how Adkins will do, but its surprising that the vacancy isn't being filled by someone with more of a proven track record to fit Saints requirements. Based on Cortese's stated ambitions, this club aspires to be back in the Prem within 4 years, and surely the objective should be to do that with the same man in charge for the whole period.

 

Adkins has made the best of what his club could afford and may have got players to perform above their level but he hasn't set the world alight. A Div 1 championship when he first took over at Scunny built a reputation but then a relegation squeezed in between the two promotions, and the second promotion by the play-off lottery after finishing 6th. Last season a struggle just ending above the relegation zone.

 

SFC is believed to have the resources to bring in good players by transfer and loans, which may be an area where Adkins has less experience, having worked for a club with a limited budget and low attendances of around 5 or 6,000.

 

If his appointment is confirmed, the majority of Saints' fans will wish him well because his success would be our success, but its hard to get excited about it and the on-off selection process has been less than satisfactory.

 

I can't see this team suddenly performing better unless new players are brought in. We have some who are certainly good enough, but we also have some gaps that need plugging urgently, so for me the test for Adkins will be whether he brings in loans straightaway or whether he just relies on trying to get what we have play better. The latter approach may get to mid table but that isn't the plan.

[Special K]

Some loons on here. Ask anyone in football and they only have good things to say about Adkins. Ask anyone here and he is useless before he has started.

 

This is where those bull**** MON rumours do nobody any favours, they raise already warped expectations to crazy levels.

 

Adkins will do well so prepare serious helpings of humble pie.

 

Also maybe actually do a google search and read about him because clearly

Most of you know very little about his credentials!

 

Who do you know "in football"? Oh, sorry, you did a google search on him, my mistake!

 

Paul Sturrock was also given glowing references, but it didn't mean he was right for this Club.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I love the way people claim they want a bigger name... Ok, who... Oh yeah, you want managers who we would struggle to get in should we be a prem club.. Unless you want phil brown???

 

Adkins is willing to drop a division and come here to a league he has got out of twice in 3 years. Right now, I could not give a monkeys if he has no prem experience. Sort of not an issue when you are 3rd bottom of division 3

 

 

Also, when did saints fans turn into such arrogant fukkers?

 

I think the arrogance was born from the relief at the club being saved last year. We really should have stuck with relief and not 'progressed' to arrogance. TBF I think it's only a minority, as an example, many I talk to at games would appear to be happy with us being a good Championship club. That is not a lack of aspiration, more a quiet comfort with the club?

[saint lard]

What part of his credentials do you not rate? What more could he really have done

 

More to the point,what more can he do for us?

And looking back is all very well,but it is the future is what i am concerned about.

Different clubs, different ambitions.

No comparison between the two,imo.

[Barry the Badger]

More to the point,what more can he do for us?

And looking back is all very well,but it is the future is what i am concerned about.

Different clubs, different ambitions.

No comparison between the two,imo.

 

Just interested, who would you have preferred?

[lordswoodsaints]

If you read my post again I have already stated that I am unsure who should get the job.

Frankly it's not my job,and I don't really care who gets the job as long as they drag us out of this sh!tty league,out of the championship and into the prem.

I don't think Adkins will be that man and appointing him sends out the message that we are not as flush and determined to do that.

I could be wrong but I'm probably not.

[lordswoodsaints]

KIndly provide a list of "possibles"

 

 

If you read my post again I have already stated that I am unsure who should get the job.

Frankly it's not my job,and I don't really care who gets the job as long as they drag us out of this sh!tty league,out of the championship and into the prem.

I don't think Adkins will be that man and appointing him sends out the message that we are not as flush and determined to do that.

I could be wrong but I'm probably not.

[Professor]

Just interested, who would you have preferred?

 

Can't answer that without knowing who applied, but we are told that there were something like 30 names. That was within about 7 days of Pardew's departure, and if it had been known the process to recruit would take longer, there may have been more.

[revolution saint]

That's right,I picked out the quote that best summed up my feelings about his appointment.

 

Some think he will be the new messiah,some are unsure and will sit on the fence and some think he is not the man for the job,these are all opinions pretty much based on nothing.

Nobody can be sure of what will happen but my opinion/gut feeling is he will fall on his arse and we will be looking for another new manager within a year.

 

he is a new/up and coming manager with possible potential but I don't think that is what we need right now.

I don't know who should get the job but I think we need a manager that has done their learning,served their time and is the finished product.

 

All IMO.

 

Shut up with that arrogant talk!

[Saint_Jimbo83]

Who do you know "in football"? Oh, sorry, you did a google search on him, my mistake!

 

Paul Sturrock was also given glowing references, but it didn't mean he was right for this Club.

 

We were in the Prem when we hired Sturrock, we are now in the bottom four of League one. Reality check needed here!!

[SaintRichmond]

Its impossible to pre-judge how Adkins will do, but its surprising that the vacancy isn't being filled by someone with more of a proven track record to fit Saints requirements. Based on Cortese's stated ambitions, this club aspires to be back in the Prem within 4 years, and surely the objective should be to do that with the same man in charge for the whole period.

 

Adkins has made the best of what his club could afford and may have got players to perform above their level but he hasn't set the world alight. A Div 1 championship when he first took over at Scunny built a reputation but then a relegation squeezed in between the two promotions, and the second promotion by the play-off lottery after finishing 6th. Last season a struggle just ending above the relegation zone.

 

SFC is believed to have the resources to bring in good players by transfer and loans, which may be an area where Adkins has less experience, having worked for a club with a limited budget and low attendances of around 5 or 6,000.

 

If his appointment is confirmed, the majority of Saints' fans will wish him well because his success would be our success, but its hard to get excited about it and the on-off selection process has been less than satisfactory.

 

I can't see this team suddenly performing better unless new players are brought in. We have some who are certainly good enough, but we also have some gaps that need plugging urgently, so for me the test for Adkins will be whether he brings in loans straightaway or whether he just relies on trying to get what we have play better. The latter approach may get to mid table but that isn't the plan.

 

Agreed, and the reasons for that has to be laid at Pardew's door, as he was the Manager at the time. It is now painfully obvious that we ARE lacking in some key areas

 

Where Cortese must take some blame is ALLOWING the situation to "drift"

[Elmore]

If we get Adkins, and that seems likely, I feel like we traded an above mediocre L1 manager for a below mediocre L1 manager. It's all very disappointing

 

How can he be "a below mediocre L1 manager" when he manages a team 15th in the Championship?

 

Look at this from Adkin's point of view. This is a step down for him. He has already been promoted twice out of this L1 and could easily move to an established Championship team and make a push for managing in the Premiership. Moving to Saints is a big risk for him if it doesn't work out.

[Special K]

We were in the Prem when we hired Sturrock, we are now in the bottom four of League one. Reality check needed here!!

 

Sure the circumstances are different, but does it tie in with the ambition that has been expressed by the Club? I'm not sure and that's my question. If we were flailing about, no money, split board, etc, etc then yeah, i can see it, but the man with the plan says he wants us playing at OT, etc in 4 years. Maybe he's the one who needs the reality check!

 

I really hope NA proves to be an inspired appointment, but i have my doubts.

[Saint Charlie]

More to the point,what more can he do for us?

And looking back is all very well,but it is the future is what i am concerned about.

Different clubs, different ambitions.

No comparison between the two,imo.

 

 

So a manager can only spent his whole career at a certain type of club? How can someone progress unless they are able to step up after doing a good job somewhere?

[Viking Warrior]

Minsk

 

I totally agre with your posts. Oi do noot think a hi profile manageris what we need. after all they will be shouting up there own ego's not the clubs.

I do not know enough about Neil Adkins but when he arrives he will have my total backing as does NC

He must be good otherwise Scunny would have sacked him years ago/

 

If only Lowe had paid a few more pennies and Allowed Daved Moyes and his team to come to saints, Im sure we would not be in the choppy waters we now find our self in

 

So guy get behind your club and the new manager who ever he is. continue your negativity buy al means as you will never be happy. If we had ferfuson the same negativity would be posted on her by you even if we had one 10 champions league cups

[revolution saint]

So a manager can only spent his whole career at a certain type of club? How can someone progress unless they are able to step up after doing a good job somewhere?

 

But no one is suggesting he can't or won't be a success. Just that there are better candidates out there. Apparently that's arrogant and makes you a moron though.

[kpturner]

More to the point,what more can he do for us?

And looking back is all very well,but it is the future is what i am concerned about.

Different clubs, different ambitions.

No comparison between the two,imo.

I agree. Managerial appointments should be made after, and only after, gaining a thorough understanding of that the candidate will achieve in the future and not what they achieved in the past. Clairvoyance and a crystal ball should be the tools of the trade for any self-respecting chairman. It is outrageous to suggest that Adkins should be given a chance to prove himself at SFC ....Adkins out - small minded loons in!

[Saint Charlie]

But no one is suggesting he can't or won't be a success. Just that there are better candidates out there. Apparently that's arrogant and makes you a moron though.

 

Who are the better candidates that are realistic?

[Dalek2003]

We were in the Prem when we hired Sturrock, we are now in the bottom four of League one. Reality check needed here!!

 

Paul Sturrock was a league 1 manager. Obviously some forward planning went on there.

[revolution saint]

Who are the better candidates that are realistic?

 

Well it's only my opinion but I feel that Mowbray, Brown or even Megson would be better suited. They all come with baggage of course and none are perfect but they all have a similar record to Adkins in that they've had promotions and then relegations due to lack of resources. That's only my opinion though - it doesn't make me a moron or arrogant, just that I disagree with you.

[Saint Charlie]

Well it's only my opinion but I feel that Mowbray, Brown or even Megson would be better suited. They all come with baggage of course and none are perfect but they all have a similar record to Adkins in that they've had promotions and then relegations due to lack of resources. That's only my opinion though - it doesn't make me a moron or arrogant, just that I disagree with you.

 

Mowbray I agree, but he has been managing in the Prem and Celtic so L1 probably not to his liking.

 

The other two I don't. Brown is an attention seeking idiot and Megson. Wow. I think the fans of every club he has managed would have swapped him for Adkins. He is the ultimate hoof merchant - hardly in the Southampton Style that NC wants. So he certainly isnt a better candidate.

 

But totally its about opinions. Fair enough.

[Fowllyd]

But no one is suggesting he can't or won't be a success. Just that there are better candidates out there. Apparently that's arrogant and makes you a moron though.

 

Am I misreading those posts saying that Adkins isn't good enough and will fail, will be gone before the end of this season, and so forth? There are a fair few of them on this and other threads - apparently on the basis that he's only managed Scúnthorpe. While it's not necessarily arrogant to suggest that there are better candidates, it is distinctly so to suggest that we're so special that we need - and should get - a manager such as Martin O'Neill, and that anyone below that level is below us. I'm not saying that you've said or implied that last bit, but several posters have done.

[revolution saint]

Mowbray I agree, but he has been managing in the Prem and Celtic so L1 probably not to his liking.

 

The other two I don't. Brown is an attention seeking idiot and Megson. Wow. I think the fans of every club he has managed would have swapped him for Adkins. He is the ultimate hoof merchant - hardly in the Southampton Style that NC wants. So he certainly isnt a better candidate.

 

But totally its about opinions. Fair enough.

 

If we were talking about playing style I'd certainly agree with you about Megson. There's no guarantee about whoever we appoint though. It just annoys me when anyone who suggests that Adkins might not be the right appointment is labelled a loon. At least you can be sensible about it.

 

Am I misreading those posts saying that Adkins isn't good enough and will fail, will be gone before the end of this season, and so forth? There are a fair few of them on this and other threads - apparently on the basis that he's only managed Scúnthorpe. While it's not necessarily arrogant to suggest that there are better candidates, it is distinctly so to suggest that we're so special that we need - and should get - a manager such as Martin O'Neill, and that anyone below that level is below us. I'm not saying that you've said or implied that last bit, but several posters have done.

 

I'm sure there are posters who have done that. Just as there are posters who suggest that Adkins is the only choice we have and is practically the new messiah. Neither are true.

[saint lard]

I agree. Managerial appointments should be made after, and only after, gaining a thorough understanding of that the candidate will achieve in the future and not what they achieved in the past. Clairvoyance and a crystal ball should be the tools of the trade for any self-respecting chairman. It is outrageous to suggest that Adkins should be given a chance to prove himself at SFC ....Adkins out - small minded loons in!

 

Their appears to be no middle ground with some people.

It's my opinion that i don't think it is within his capabilities to take us forward in the longterm.

and push us on in our goal...a return to the premiership.

no more,no less.

[kpturner]

Their appears to be no middle ground with some people.

It's my opinion that i don't think it is within his capabilities to take us forward in the longterm.

and push us on in our goal...a return to the premiership.

no more,no less.

I very much doubt that you have any idea what is within his capabilities and what is not. I expect he barely registered in your conscious before now. You are doubting him based on what exactly? Personally, if the Chairman has selected him after interviewing various candidates then I am prepared to give him a chance.

[lordswoodsaints]

Shut up with that arrogant talk!

 

So my post is arrogant because I don't agree with his appointment.....sums this forum up really.

 

Tow the company line or be labeled as a lunatic.

[saint lard]

I very much doubt that you have any idea what is within his capabilities and what is not. I expect he barely registered in your conscious before now. You are doubting him based on what exactly? Personally, if the Chairman has selected him after interviewing various candidates then I am prepared to give him a chance.

 

I can comment on what i believe his capabilities are just as much as anyone else.

What convinces you he will be so good as opposed to why i don't think he is good enough to take us to the premier league,what do you base it on? i'ts your opinion like mine.

 

rerference Cortese' interview techniques,he was not a good judge of character with Pardew obviously,it appears they did'nt get on from the word go.

Just accept we don't have to agree,i've explained my reasons on various threads including this one,i am being consistant and forthright in my opinions.

Put me on ignore if the thought of someone not going along with the 'Adkins is the man for saints' Stuff and move on.

 

I will chow down on the humble pie if he is successful,let's hope i do have too eh.

Edited 12 September, 2010 by saint lard

[revolution saint]

I very much doubt that you have any idea what is within his capabilities and what is not. I expect he barely registered in your conscious before now. You are doubting him based on what exactly? Personally, if the Chairman has selected him after interviewing various candidates then I am prepared to give him a chance.

 

And of course you do know what is within his capability and what isn't? Of course everyone will give him a chance, what choice do we have?

 

If you want a list of why he might fail, try this:

 

He's only managed at one professional league club.

he's not experienced the kind of pressure and expectation at Scunny that he will get here

He's not a "name" that will get the fans excited and so he needs to prove himself quickly

He won't immediately command the respect of the dressing room

 

Of course he may be able to overcome those obstacles - I hope he does. It's not moronic to poin them out though.

[broncoboy]

Don't be so silly

[saint lard]

So my post is arrogant because I don't agree with his appointment.....sums this forum up really.

 

Tow the company line or be labeled as a lunatic.

 

Excatly,i too am being pilloried for not just accepting Adkins as 'the one for saints' and forming a differing opinion.

[revolution saint]

So my post is arrogant because I don't agree with his appointment.....sums this forum up really.

 

Tow the company line or be labeled as a lunatic.

 

I was being sarcastic - I actually agree with you!

[Fowllyd]

If we were talking about playing style I'd certainly agree with you about Megson. There's no guarantee about whoever we appoint though. It just annoys me when anyone who suggests that Adkins might not be the right appointment is labelled a loon. At least you can be sensible about it.

 

 

 

I'm sure there are posters who have done that. Just as there are posters who suggest that Adkins is the only choice we have and is practically the new messiah. Neither are true.

 

Don't think I've seen anybody suggesting anything quite so outlandish, to be honest. Some have said they think that Adkins is the best choice, or simply a very good one, but I've seen nothing quite so adulatory as you're suggesting. But then, as your first paragraph points out, opinions do get polarised very quickly on here; maybe that's the case with any similar web forum, but middle ground is all too often conspicuous by its absence.

 

For what it's worth, I reckon Adkins could well prove to be an excellent choice, but time will tell on that. He's achieved a considerable amount so far, his team has gained a reputation for playing excellent football, and he clearly wants to come here - even after having met the dreaded Nicola! Others on here who follow the game far more closely that I do are enthused by Adkins, which gives me more grounds for optimism. I don't know enough one way or the other to feel certain, but I remain hopeful.

[scotty]

Its impossible to pre-judge how Adkins will do, but its surprising that the vacancy isn't being filled by someone with more of a proven track record to fit Saints requirements. Based on Cortese's stated ambitions, this club aspires to be back in the Prem within 4 years, and surely the objective should be to do that with the same man in charge for the whole period.

 

I'm wondering whether Cortese might not have rethought that, honed in on a manager that knows how to get a team out of league one, and might look to get somebody higher profile once that has been achieved.

 

Sorry to sound cynical.

[LostBoys]

With the notable exception of your avatar,what other alleged applicants are there who are better qualified ? KK perhaps,but not really linked anywhere but on here.Howe is less qualified,and please lets not bring perma-tanned man Brown into it again.

 

I was working off the list on this web site regarding the likely applicants - ignoring the more unlikely ones. Where else would I obtain the information from. While I have an obvious bias towards one alleged applicant I have no dislike of any of the others but I feel Adkins does not have a track trecord as some of the others including the candidate you have ruled out as unsuitable because of his tan it appears.

[Cabrone]

I'll look forward to Adkins if he does finally turn up.

 

He has a track record of getting out of this league with scant resources and comes across as a decent, intelligent and honorable guy. I really like the sound of him.

 

To those of you who question whether he is prem material may I remind you that we are in league 1 and will never get to the prem if we don't get out of league 1.

 

One step at at time please folks.

 

The trouble is we have already messed up our first 5 games and with confidence so low will probably need another 2-3 to get back up and running so even if he joined today we have a huge challenge to get top 2 now.

 

I can't believe how much of a **** up we've made of this season so far.

[kpturner]

And of course you do know what is within his capability and what isn't? .

I don't need to know- I am not the one being paid to select the next manager. I am just trusting the judgement of the person that is, based on what he sees as the correct way forward and how the potential candidates have come across in the interview. Saint Lard reckons that Cortese didn't get on with Pardew "from the word go" and therefore must be crap at interviews. LOL. Where is the evidence of that? We don't know why that appointment failed do we, other than he said he "had no choice" a couple of days ago.

 

It's not moronic to poin them out though .

When did I call you a moron? However, if you want to spout off about all the reasons why this is going to fail then carry on. If you think that is productive then good for you. IMHO it is small minded. Edited 12 September, 2010 by kpturner