Looking forward to Adkins?

[RobM]

Without anything to back this up, I'd suggest that transfer committees are far from abnormal in today's game.

 

I don't think there are too many managers in the Premier League or any other division who can just make their own (often multi-million pound) decisions in isolation and then ask for the money.

 

And, frankly, I think it makes sense to include other perspectives.

 

A bit like a scouting network, perhaps?

[CanadaSaint]

A bit like a scouting network, perhaps?

 

Sure. These are people with strong experience and valid opinions.

 

Likewise, the academy head has valuable perspectives to offer - and something to learn, because signings become necessary if the academy fails to develop the required talent.

 

I don't see it as a power struggle but a cooperative exercise - unless someone resents or resists that kind of balanced, team approach, which might have been one of the problems with AP.

[RobM]

It only becomes a power struggle when one man comes in and thinks he is bigger than everyone and everything else. That's not the type of person I want at my football club... not that my opinion counts for jack all anyway, of course.

[Appy]

Well let's see, Scunny lost 2-0 at home today. And that was with a massive 61% of possession, 11 shots on target, 10 shots off target, 10 corners.

 

Now if that's the type of result heading our way I'm wondering what's going to change?! OK, so this is slightly said tongue in cheek and I guess Scunny's teams thoughts were elsewhere today, however I think we need to be very prepared for Adkins to take quite sometime to turn things around here.

 

Barcelona lost 2-0 at home today, Does this mean you wouldn't want their manager?

[saintscottofthenortham]

Barcelona lost 2-0 at home today, Does this mean you wouldn't want their manager?

 

of course they wouldn't want him! He doesn't know League One.

[rocknrollman no2]

If Adkins does finally get the job,then he will have to hit the ground running,otherwise not only will we be too far behind to win automatic promotion,but also a lot of fans will have had enough.

[doddisalegend]

Barcelona lost 2-0 at home today, Does this mean you wouldn't want their manager?

 

and I thought some fans were aiming high with MON. whats your sauce? good to know he wants to leave Barca to drop down to league one must be up the challenge. Do you think he can get Messi to come with him...............

[doddisalegend]

I asked on here yesterday who'd be stupid enough to slag off Adkins if he lost with scunny today. Must admin I didn't think it would be that quick. I wish our fans weren't quite so thick.

 

I wish some of fans didn't tar everyone with the same brush.

[gjphilsaint]

We have until monday...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/s****horpe_utd/8991183.stm

[Appy]

and I thought some fans were aiming high with MON. whats your sauce? good to know he wants to leave Barca to drop down to league one must be up the challenge. Do you think he can get Messi to come with him...............

 

Messi isn't interested, Villa could be persuaded.

 

I saw Pep in the De Vere yesterday with Steve Wigley and Carsten Jancker.

[doddisalegend]

Messi isn't interested, Villa could be persuaded.

I saw Pep in the De Vere yesterday with Steve Wigley and Carsten Jancker.

 

Shame underwelmed we could do better...........

[dune]

I don't think it'll matter who we get in. Our squad is completely over-rated and Lambert and Connelly have been utterly rubbish so far.

[A Nut Can Cut You]

I'm sure there must be loads, but can you remind me of some managers who have voluntarily dropped down a league when changing clubs and been successful (as opposed to those who were out of work or sacked when they moved down 1 or more divisions)? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

How many failures can you name off the top of your head?

 

It's probably very rare for employed managers to drop down a division. Simon Grayson is the only one I remember, and that's because it was so recent. There has to be a major difference in resources/potential between the two clubs to make the move worthwhile.

[Pat from Poole]

Adkins appointment now looks inevitable. I am worried that the more senior players will regard him as inexperienced and a tool to be manipulated by Reed and Cortese. They will just not respect him.

 

 

Agree. And having heard Adkins' press conference from Thursday and his interview at lunchtime today on BBC Radio Humberside, he just sounds full of waffle, and I really hate his tendency to talk about himself in the 3rd person. I can see players being very uninspired by his pre-match teamtalks. Listen to him drone on for 5 minutes and compare that with 30 seconds of Eddie Howe talking simple common sense with no bull, and you realise which one of the two is destined for a career in the top flight. We have really missed out by not getting Howe.

[Dalek2003]

Agree. And having heard Adkins' press conference from Thursday and his interview at lunchtime today on BBC Radio Humberside, he just sounds full of waffle, and I really hate his tendency to talk about himself in the 3rd person. I can see players being very uninspired by his pre-match teamtalks. Listen to him drone on for 5 minutes and compare that with 30 seconds of Eddie Howe talking simple common sense with no bull, and you realise which one of the two is destined for a career in the top flight. We have really missed out by not getting Howe.

 

Not Adkins and not Howe.

[saint lard]

I will stand by what i have stated numerous times from the first time his name was linked with the job,Adkins will be a mistake and failure.

And i take no pleasure in saying that at all.

The whole scenario of 'will he,won't he' is just the start of an embarrassing decline further.

Prove me wrong Adkins,i am more than happy to eat my words.

The loss of Pardew,for whatever reason,will be felt for seasons to come.

Get us out of this league Adkins and you have done nothing more than expected.The expectations at Scunny are nothing like what you will face from either boardroom level or from the fans.

Take us forward from there?

Shortsighted appointment if ever i saw one.

As i say, prove me wrong and i will be elated.

Edited 11 September, 2010 by saint lard

[Appy]

Not Adkins and not Howe.

 

To be honest no one is that interested in your biased and boring opinions.

[Dalek2003]

I will stand by what i have stated numerous times from the first time his name was linked with the job,Adkins will be a mistake and failure.

And i take no pleasure in saying that at all.

The whole scenario of 'will he,won't he' is just the start of an embarrassing decline further.

Prove me wrong Adkins,i am more than happy to eat my words.

 

Agreed

[Dalek2003]

To be honest no one is that interested in your biased and boring opinions.

 

Why did you bother replying then ?

[NickG]

Adkins has shown - twice that he can get out of this league - with considerably less resources than ours.

 

If he stay as long as the average for a football manager (at any club not just ours) he will only be here long enough for CCC so why stress now about his ability for the premiership?

[Saint Charlie]

Telegraph journalist told me on twitter: 'Adkins is a good manager, really good. Has always taken an interest in Southampton, went down there when Woodward was there.'

 

Harry Redknapp also referenced him as being one of the most intelligent managers around the other day.

 

As for his interview, the perceived waffle is due to the nature of the current situation, which isn't easy for him. He seems a very principled man.

[Dalek2003]

Adkins has shown - twice that he can get out of this league - with considerably less resources than ours.

 

If he stay as long as the average for a football manager (at any club not just ours) he will only be here long enough for CCC so why stress now about his ability for the premiership?

 

It's whether he can get us out of League 2 that i am becoming stressed about !"

[aintforever]

Cortese needs to sort this mess out tomorrow, we can't afford to throw anther 3 points away on Weds.

[Minsk]

Below is exactly what I posted last night. I stand by every word of it:

 

^^^^^^What a bunch of fekin drama queens ^^^^^^^

 

I honestly feel sorry for Adkins if he does come here. There are obviously a number of 'fans' who clearly don't want him to come and who will be on his back for any perceived reason (to them). It is also no real surprise that many of those who do not want him are also the ones who don't like NC much either.

 

Pathetic.

 

If he had signed for us this afternoon Wilkins would have still been in charge for the match tomorrow. There is nothing NA could have done in ways of preparing the team. They have trained all week with this game in mind. Him coming today would have changed nothing about tomorrow. So him sticking to his contract and doing his job today, and probably tomorrow, means he isn't interested/doesn't care about us? What were all of your guys thoughts of Kenwyne when he spat his dummy out over a move?

 

I honestly hope Adkins does come here. I believe he would be great at SMS and that we could win the league under him. If that were to happen I wonder how many of the drama queens will post apologies on here? (I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them).

[saint lard]

Adkins has shown - twice that he can get out of this league - with considerably less resources than ours.

 

If he stay as long as the average for a football manager (at any club not just ours) he will only be here long enough for CCC so why stress now about his ability for the premiership?

 

Yep, he got out of this league twice wth the same club, under his tenure throughout.

And you have highlighted my other concern " will be here long enough for the CCC"well,that is great forward planning.As i say,short term appointment and shortsighted.

Rochdale,Plymouth have considerably less resources available than ours.

Edited 11 September, 2010 by saint lard

[St Landrew]

To be honest, I hoped for someone a little more high profile. But Adkins should be able to do as well as anybody, possible better. But, so far, we're not the team of last season, and I think it'll take some time before the problem is resolved.

[Appy]

Why did you bother replying then ?

 

To emphasise my point, if i didn't say anything you wouldn't know how strongly i oppose your bias towards Hoddle.

[saint lard]

Below is exactly what I posted last night. I stand by every word of it:

 

^^^^^^What a bunch of fekin drama queens ^^^^^^^

 

I honestly feel sorry for Adkins if he does come here. There are obviously a number of 'fans' who clearly don't want him to come and who will be on his back for any perceived reason (to them). It is also no real surprise that many of those who do not want him are also the ones who don't like NC much either.

 

Pathetic.

 

If he had signed for us this afternoon Wilkins would have still been in charge for the match tomorrow. There is nothing NA could have done in ways of preparing the team. They have trained all week with this game in mind. Him coming today would have changed nothing about tomorrow. So him sticking to his contract and doing his job today, and probably tomorrow, means he isn't interested/doesn't care about us? What were all of your guys thoughts of Kenwyne when he spat his dummy out over a move?

 

I honestly hope Adkins does come here.

I believe he would be great at SMS and that we could win the league under him. If that were to happen I wonder how many of the drama queens will post apologies on here? (I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them).

 

I will not lay claim to the title of a drama queen,but 'we could win the league under him' is a bold statement,here's hoping we do..what then?he is not adequate enough to get us above and beyond league one,imo.

Trust me i would certainly apologise and raise a glass to him if he stays the course and is successful.Dependant on what your level of success is of course.

[Badger]

Agree. And having heard Adkins' press conference from Thursday and his interview at lunchtime today on BBC Radio Humberside, he just sounds full of waffle, and I really hate his tendency to talk about himself in the 3rd person. I can see players being very uninspired by his pre-match teamtalks. Listen to him drone on for 5 minutes and compare that with 30 seconds of Eddie Howe talking simple common sense with no bull, and you realise which one of the two is destined for a career in the top flight. We have really missed out by not getting Howe.

 

Not overly impressed by the interviews and as you say "waffle" but I'd accept he is walking a tightrope in talking to the meda in the current predicament so lets give him a bit more latitude on that one. The third person issue is pretty painful to listen to though.

 

Adkins has shown - twice that he can get out of this league - with considerably less resources than ours.

 

 

Look at this critically though, his success initially was based on a team his predecessor - Laws - had put together . Some managers will achieve success at a particular club where they are deemed a god-like status but not carry it elsewhere.

 

Telegraph journalist told me on twitter: 'Adkins is a good manager, really good. Has always taken an interest in Southampton, went down there when Woodward was there.'

 

Harry Redknapp also referenced him as being one of the most intelligent managers around the other day.

 

As for his interview, the perceived waffle is due to the nature of the current situation, which isn't easy for him. He seems a very principled man.

 

Is this Daily or Scunny Telegraph ?

 

Redknapp ? Probably just wants to make himself sound authorative by knowing the name of a young lower division manager.He may be right but not sure I'd take 'arry's character reference as gospel.

[Seaside Saint 2]

I will not lay claim to the title of a drama queen,but 'we could win the league under him' is a bold statement,here's hoping we do..what then?he is not adequate enough to get us above and beyond league one,imo.

Trust me i would certainly apologise and raise a glass to him if he stays the course and is successful.Dependant on what your level of success is of course.

 

Maybe, but he won the League with Sc*nthorpe with an arguably weaker team than we have. I also think that this season League 1 will be far more even than last year, Wednesday have already started to stutter and will probably go into administration at some point. Other than Peterborough and Huddersfield none of the other teams who are performing well at the moment have the quality or depth of squad to keep up the momentum throughout the season. We have 1 more point than we did at this stage last season (disregarding the 10 point deduction) and are better placed to exploit the loan market than we were last season. If NA is as good as I suspect he is at this level then we should be ok.

 

Can't remember who posted about managers dropping down a level and succeeding, but Gary Johnson seems to be doing alright at Peterborough, and he has similar amount of experience of League 1 as NA does. So I'm quietly optimistic, but that counts for bugger all....

[lordswoodsaints]

I don't think he's the right man for the job so not really enthused about his arrival if it happens.

 

This quote from the scunny forum stands out for me....

 

'He's going to need good luck,limited manager sacked by spring'

 

This says it all for me and I believe this will be the case.

[doddisalegend]

Theres no point *****ing about Adkins until we can see what he can do surely? If he comes I'll give him my backing but I don't think he'll get much time from the fan base in general, last season most of us expected little and probably most of us felt we got more than we thought we would. This year expectations are sky high no form of failure is going to be tolerated (hence booing on the first day of the season) Adkins is going to have to hit the ground running if things haven't improved after 10 games I think the SMS faithful will be baying for his blood.

[saint lard]

Maybe, but he won the League with Sc*nthorpe with an arguably weaker team than we have. I also think that this season League 1 will be far more even than last year, Wednesday have already started to stutter and will probably go into administration at some point. Other than Peterborough and Huddersfield none of the other teams who are performing well at the moment have the quality or depth of squad to keep up the momentum throughout the season. We have 1 more point than we did at this stage last season (disregarding the 10 point deduction) and are better placed to exploit the loan market than we were last season. If NA is as good as I suspect he is at this level then we should be ok.

 

Can't remember who posted about managers dropping down a level and succeeding, but Gary Johnson seems to be doing alright at Peterborough, and he has similar amount of experience of League 1 as NA does. So I'm quietly optimistic, but that counts for bugger all....

I take all your points onboard and concur upto a point.

There is no way any comparison can be made reference what he did at Scunny and what needs to be done at SFC however.

Less expectancy levels,differing calibre of player and the pressure will be huge.

But my main gripe is all this 'what he did at Scunny' stuff,it means bog all in the grand scheme of things and this is the main hope we are pinning are season/seasons ahead,couple that with the fact that i truly believe he could not take us forward if he was to get us promoted makes this appointment a wasted opportunity.

But hey ho good luck to the fella and i hope he is a blinding success.

All imo.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Not Adkins please - we need a manager with PL experience who this squad will swing in behind, and who won't get fired because it gets a bit more difficult in the Championship.

[doddisalegend]

Not Adkins please - we need a manager with PL experience who this squad will swing in behind, and who won't get fired because it gets a bit more difficult in the Championship.

 

Didn't we have one of those?

[Badger]

I don't think he's the right man for the job so not really enthused about his arrival if it happens.

 

.

 

I'll be glad when this episode is over frankly.

 

I am inclined to agree with you BUT simple fact as I see it is that we are unlikely to get the "name" with "wow" factor that we had hoped for, ie KK or MON, and could do a lot worse (ie Brown,Turdishley,Hart,Grunt,unheard of continental coach b0ll0cks ) so lets just get on with it. Unless of course NC has a further ace up his sleeve to reveal

[lordswoodsaints]

Let's not beat about the bush Adkins is a learner,he's only been doing the job for what? Four years??

We need a manager who knows the game inside out and can kickstart the players who have got above themselves.

What we don't need right now is a gamble manager,he might be up and coming but let him go and do his 'up and coming' elsewhere.

Our situation should be left to the big boys,not the young man with possible potential.

Edited 11 September, 2010 by lordswoodsaints

[sadoldgit]

Below is exactly what I posted last night. I stand by every word of it:

 

^^^^^^What a bunch of fekin drama queens ^^^^^^^

 

I honestly feel sorry for Adkins if he does come here. There are obviously a number of 'fans' who clearly don't want him to come and who will be on his back for any perceived reason (to them). It is also no real surprise that many of those who do not want him are also the ones who don't like NC much either.

 

Pathetic.

 

If he had signed for us this afternoon Wilkins would have still been in charge for the match tomorrow. There is nothing NA could have done in ways of preparing the team. They have trained all week with this game in mind. Him coming today would have changed nothing about tomorrow. So him sticking to his contract and doing his job today, and probably tomorrow, means he isn't interested/doesn't care about us? What were all of your guys thoughts of Kenwyne when he spat his dummy out over a move?

 

I honestly hope Adkins does come here. I believe he would be great at SMS and that we could win the league under him. If that were to happen I wonder how many of the drama queens will post apologies on here? (I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them).

 

As you know I am no NC fan, but I would have no problem with NA coming here at all. Not my personal choice but any manager coming in would get my support. Whoever they are, they will have a tough job on their hands.

[SarniaSaint]

I am surprised by the reactions on this thread tbh.

 

He sounds like he's a dead man walking amongst some of the fan base before he's even stepped foot in the door.

 

I've listened to him speak and I've read the comments from his current clubs fans and that is enough for me to build up the opinion that he is an extremely talented manager, waiting for his big break.

 

I fear though that if he loses is first or second games, people will be right on his back. He doesn't deserve that, he's done nothing wrong.

 

Agree 100%

[dockland Dave]

some of the posters on here really believe all the hype. Southampton aren't Man City, do any of you really believe that MO is really going to drop down to this level.

 

Saints have always made a habit of appointing either a manager with something to prove, or an up and coming one.

most people were totally underwhelmed when WGS was appointed, 6 months after hed had taken Cov down

Hoddle came here to rebuild his name after taking mystic meg with him as England manager and making some very strange comments about past lives

Dave Jones came from Stockport after a brilliant season in what is now L1

Souneess came here after indifferent spells at Liverpool and Galertasary

Even Alan Ball had not pulled up any trees as a manager before joining us. going back further i could mention Laurie Mac and Chris Nicholl

As for our last incumbant, some of you seem to forget he single handily bankrupted Charlton

 

 

Please folks some of you think we are Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea. We are still a provincial club with a bit of cash, arguably not even the biggest or best supported or biggest team in this division, as that would be Sheff Weds. We are not traditionally a big club, staying in the PL for so long only because of the loyalty and brilliance of one man. I always despised the arrogance of the bigger clubs towards the Saints, and now some of you lot are showing the same disdain to the clubs in this division.

 

Sorry for the rant, too much wine tonight

[Dr Who?]

I am sorry but Adkins is not the man for the job in my opinion, but I do beieve he is the best we can probably get. This seems like a step sideways or even slightly backwards from AP. I think if he comes in he will have to build his own team and if that is the case this could mean this season out of the window and we will be looking at next season to go up. I think the type of players we have will be looking for someone to come in and that they will sit up and take notice. Wrongly or rightly our players will not do this with Adkins IMO. He has not got the experience at this moment in time. We do need someone who will come in and the players will respect, but I do not think we have the pulling power to do this.

 

It should not be like this but the players of these days are like this, and if we get Adkins I think most will want to leave in January, and on the pitch already it looks like most of them are looking for the exit, and perhaps they think it is going to be Adkins, and that is even more worrying.

 

I think if Adkins comes in then it goes to show what a good manager (not person) that we had and we will not better him for experience and how well he did last season. Not pining for him but for some reason I did think we would get a Keegan, or even WGS back to really get the pulses racing!! What was I thinking??

[Ludwig]

I am sorry but Adkins is not the man for the job in my opinion, but I do beieve he is the best we can probably get. This seems like a step sideways or even slightly backwards from AP. I think if he comes in he will have to build his own team and if that is the case this could mean this season out of the window and we will be looking at next season to go up. I think the type of players we have will be looking for someone to come in and that they will sit up and take notice. Wrongly or rightly our players will not do this with Adkins IMO. He has not got the experience at this moment in time. We do need someone who will come in and the players will respect, but I do not think we have the pulling power to do this.

 

It should not be like this but the players of these days are like this, and if we get Adkins I think most will want to leave in January, and on the pitch already it looks like most of them are looking for the exit, and perhaps they think it is going to be Adkins, and that is even more worrying.

 

I think if Adkins comes in then it goes to show what a good manager (not person) that we had and we will not better him for experience and how well he did last season. Not pining for him but for some reason I did think we would get a Keegan, or even WGS back to really get the pulses racing!! What was I thinking??

 

Are we AC Milan? They need a big name manager, we just need someone to organise and motivate, with experience of getting out of this league and the ability to improve and progress along with us. Adkins is the man for the job.

[Dr Who?]

Are we AC Milan? They need a big name manager, we just need someone to organise and motivate, with experience of getting out of this league and the ability to improve and progress along with us. Adkins is the man for the job.

 

I am more worries that the players we have could go and play at a higher level, so if they are not motivated by Adkins they will be off. IF they are like that then off they should go, if they do not have the best interest and fight for the shirt of SFC. I am worried that this will put us back another year as he builds his own team. Not saying he would not be good enough to get us out of league 1, but maybe not with the players we have. Of course I am only guessing this may not happen at all but just what I THINK will happen.

 

Also he has no experience of getting teams into the Premier league if and when we have to try and do so!

[Dr Who?]

Are we AC Milan? They need a big name manager, we just need someone to organise and motivate, with experience of getting out of this league and the ability to improve and progress along with us. Adkins is the man for the job.

 

Oh and no we have never and will never be as good as ac Milian

[offix]

If we get Adkins, and that seems likely, I feel like we traded an above mediocre L1 manager for a below mediocre L1 manager. It's all very disappointing

[1976_Child]

yes. I am.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I asked on here yesterday who'd be stupid enough to slag off Adkins if he lost with scunny today. Must admin I didn't think it would be that quick. I wish our fans weren't quite so thick.

 

Pal, I'm afraid it's you that's shown yourself to be quite thick - there's nobody 'slagging him off'...just comments on what a really tough job he's got to turn around our team and the fact that Scunny (like us) had a lot of possession today, yet managed to lose their game. Even you've got to admit there are similarities there. If not, then I suppose you don't need to comment.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Below is exactly what I posted last night. I stand by every word of it:

^^^^^^What a bunch of fekin drama queens ^^^^^^^

 

I honestly feel sorry for Adkins if he does come here.

There are obviously a number of 'fans' who clearly don't want him to come and who will be on his back for any perceived reason (to them). It is also no real surprise that many of those who do not want him are also the ones who don't like NC much either.

 

Pathetic.

 

If he had signed for us this afternoon Wilkins would have still been in charge for the match tomorrow. There is nothing NA could have done in ways of preparing the team. They have trained all week with this game in mind. Him coming today would have changed nothing about tomorrow. So him sticking to his contract and doing his job today, and probably tomorrow, means he isn't interested/doesn't care about us? What were all of your guys thoughts of Kenwyne when he spat his dummy out over a move?

 

I honestly hope Adkins does come here. I believe he would be great at SMS and that we could win the league under him. If that were to happen I wonder how many of the drama queens will post apologies on here? (I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them).

 

Why do some posters get so defensive when others try to get a debate underway - is it because they feel intellectually challenged?! lol

 

It would seem it's you that's acting like a drama queen and one that lives in a black and white world where there's no middle ground. The thread title was "Looking forward to Adkins?" (just to remind you) - not Adkins is a ****! As a matter of fact, I reckon he could well be the right man, but it's going to take quite some time. He'll get my support, but that's not to say I will not feel the need to debate his relative merits on FANS FORUM!!!

[Saint_clark]

If we get Adkins, and that seems likely, I feel like we traded an above mediocre L1 manager for a below mediocre L1 manager. It's all very disappointing

 

Based on what? Adkins has two promotions from this league to Pardews one.

[Thedelldays]

I love the way people claim they want a bigger name... Ok, who... Oh yeah, you want managers who we would struggle to get in should we be a prem club.. Unless you want phil brown???

 

Adkins is willing to drop a division and come here to a league he has got out of twice in 3 years. Right now, I could not give a monkeys if he has no prem experience. Sort of not an issue when you are 3rd bottom of division 3

 

 

Also, when did saints fans turn into such arrogant fukkers?