Les Reed - has and will have NOTHING to do with the first team

[CanadaSaint]

so he is not on any Transfer committee

 

I wouldn't bet on that - certainly until it's specifically stated.

 

I suspect the clarification related to selection and tactics.

 

Or else Cortese - possibly based on feedback from potential manager candidates - has backed down completely in his structure philosophy, which I can't see happening.

[aintforever]

do we any structure

 

Structure my arse, you need a good manager and some good players - that's it. Job sorted.

[Topcat]

Cortese

Les Reed - has and will have NOTHING to do with the first team

 

So where do players for the first team squad come from?

Answer 1. Young players from Les Reed's development centre and 2. Transfers/loans as agreed by the Transfer Committee.

 

Who sits on the Transfer Committee? Answer, 4 people, Team Mgr, Cortese, Reed + Reed's head of scouting.

 

Les Reed has a major influence on the supply of players to the first team. Bigger than the Team Mgr.

[Thedelldays]

Cortese

 

So where do players for the first team squad come from?

Answer 1. Young players from Les Reed's development centre and 2. Transfers/loans as agreed by the Transfer Committee.

 

Who sits on the Transfer Committee? Answer, 4 people, Team Mgr, Cortese, Reed + Reed's head of scouting.

 

Les Reed has a major influence on the supply of players to the first team. Bigger than the Team Mgr.

how do you know if he has any say when we are talking about first team players coming in...

as for the academy..that would be no different to most around the country

 

why cant people accept it for what it is....reed does not make decision for the first team..why do people want to find something wrong..?

[sadoldgit]

Structure my arse, you need a good manager and some good players - that's it. Job sorted.

 

That's what Mick Channon said about LM. He bought in good players and let them get on with it!

[70's Mike]

I wouldn't bet on that - certainly until it's specifically stated.

 

I suspect the clarification related to selection and tactics.

 

Or else Cortese - possibly based on feedback from potential manager candidates - has backed down completely in his structure philosophy, which I can't see happening.

 

which was how i read it , but if he can veto First team managers transfer targets he does influence first team

[70's Mike]

Structure my arse, you need a good manager and some good players - that's it. Job sorted.

 

totally agree, i was trying to be sarcastic

[70's Mike]

That's what Mick Channon said about LM. He bought in good players and let them get on with it!

 

que the posts telling you it is a different game now

[Saint_clark]

Unfortunately they make up the largest percentage of this forums user base.

 

They'll be here shortly to twist those words or claim they are an outright lie.

 

Lol.

Too true.

[Bourno]

Pardew was sacked from the club for non-football related matters. This has been confirmed to me today.

 

can you expand on this?

[sadoldgit]

I agree with a co-ordinated approach. That is what Lowe was trying with the Dutch guys, only problem, wrong people!

 

It makes sense to get the youth, ressies and 1st team signing from the same hymn sheet.

 

Thing is, shouldn't the manager being the one calling the shots? Les Reed might well be a jolly nice bloke and have lots and lots of coaching badges, but I would want the manager running the whole show.

[sadoldgit]

Cortese

 

So where do players for the first team squad come from?

Answer 1. Young players from Les Reed's development centre and 2. Transfers/loans as agreed by the Transfer Committee.

 

Who sits on the Transfer Committee? Answer, 4 people, Team Mgr, Cortese, Reed + Reed's head of scouting.

 

Les Reed has a major influence on the supply of players to the first team. Bigger than the Team Mgr.

 

But apparently he has nothing to do with the 1st team

[Thedelldays]

I agree with a co-ordinated approach. That is what Lowe was trying with the Dutch guys, only problem, wrong people!

 

It makes sense to get the youth, ressies and 1st team signing from the same hymn sheet.

 

Thing is, shouldn't the manager being the one calling the shots? Les Reed might well be a jolly nice bloke and have lots and lots of coaching badges, but I would want the manager running the whole show.

 

agree..but it does not happen in the real world...probably in league 1 but not at the top clubs..

maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves in that respect..

 

just look at chelsea, does ancelotti sign the 14-17 year olds....erm I think not...

same can be said for most clubs at a decent level

 

that is the way it is these days....

[Topcat]

how do you know if he has any say when we are talking about first team players coming in...

as for the academy..that would be no different to most around the country

 

He is on the transfer committee along with one of his staff... Are you saying that is untrue?

[Saint_clark]

He is on the transfer committee along with one of his staff... Are you saying that is untrue?

 

Show me evidence to the contrary.

In the last few days a lot of myths surrounding the way Cortese works have been dispelled.

[Thedelldays]

He is on the transfer committee along with one of his staff... Are you saying that is untrue?

 

how do you know what his input is on certain things..?...lets say we are in for harley dean...do you think les reed would have input..? yes

lets say we are in for jose fonte...do you think les reed will have an input on whether we sign him or not....I dont think so...why, as we have been told he does not

[70's Mike]

Suppose the question is did AP have any input to Reed being in charge of Academy?

[70's Mike]

how do you know what his input is on certain things..?...lets say we are in for harley dean...do you think les reed would have input..? yes

lets say we are in for jose fonte...do you think les reed will have an input on whether we sign him or not....I dont think so...why, as we have been told he does not

 

Not sure we have been told he has no say on transfers but at the end of the day, once again the supporters/customers of SFC are being treated like mushrooms, any ideas what the crowd will be Saturday?

[dubai_phil]

Jesus, some people.

 

Les Reed is in charge of Staplewood and Football Development. That brief includes the rather fundamental fact that he is the Manager, Director, Boss, organiser, strategist of...

 

Our SCOUTS.

 

So what everyone is bleating about is that the bloke who employs some 5 or 6 full time SCOUTS, looking for players for the FIRST team (and teh Academy) should NOT have a formalised structure where he should be at a table with the Chairman (Who controls the MONEY) and the First Team Manager?

 

Guys, this is REAL LIFE, the first team manager does not sit down with a cup of tea in the evenings and play FM 2010 and decide to drive off on a Saturday afternoon to watch some kid on a cabbage patch in deepest darkest Scotland.

 

I would be FAR more concerned if there WASN'T a structure where they sit and talk.

 

And as for "AP should have managed the Scouts" arguements - well, how about he managed the fecking FIRST TEAM.

 

We have had a number of commments now that AP was sacked for non-football related matters. Why not start fighting about what THAT meant?

 

Les Reed is by all accounts a prize c*ck but when AP arrived he had nothing, nada, nobody. NC & he built a structure between them. Does everyone REALLY believe that NC could have come from banking and known how to set up Staplewood and a Management structure that ACTUALLY makes SENSE and mirrors MOST other clubs all on his own?

 

You know what? Sod off back to Poopey the lot of you and stop infesting our forum.

 

I don't like Les Reed, I don't particularly like NC and I sure as sh1t don't like how we have started this season. But to keep going ON and ON and ON.

 

Sod the lot of you

[sadoldgit]

Getting a bit wound up Phil? I don' think AP did too bad a job with the first team last year. As for being sacked for non footballing reasons, why did the other 2 go too?

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[70's Mike]

Jesus, some people.

 

Les Reed is in charge of Staplewood and Football Development. That brief includes the rather fundamental fact that he is the Manager, Director, Boss, organiser, strategist of...

 

Our SCOUTS.

 

So what everyone is bleating about is that the bloke who employs some 5 or 6 full time SCOUTS, looking for players for the FIRST team (and teh Academy) should NOT have a formalised structure where he should be at a table with the Chairman (Who controls the MONEY) and the First Team Manager?

 

Guys, this is REAL LIFE, the first team manager does not sit down with a cup of tea in the evenings and play FM 2010 and decide to drive off on a Saturday afternoon to watch some kid on a cabbage patch in deepest darkest Scotland.

 

I would be FAR more concerned if there WASN'T a structure where they sit and talk.

 

And as for "AP should have managed the Scouts" arguements - well, how about he managed the fecking FIRST TEAM.

 

We have had a number of commments now that AP was sacked for non-football related matters. Why not start fighting about what THAT meant?

 

Les Reed is by all accounts a prize c*ck but when AP arrived he had nothing, nada, nobody. NC & he built a structure between them. Does everyone REALLY believe that NC could have come from banking and known how to set up Staplewood and a Management structure that ACTUALLY makes SENSE and mirrors MOST other clubs all on his own?

 

You know what? Sod off back to Poopey the lot of you and stop infesting our forum.

 

I don't like Les Reed, I don't particularly like NC and I sure as sh1t don't like how we have started this season. But to keep going ON and ON and ON.

 

Sod the lot of you

 

at least the sun shines where you live

just when i thought i would be giving the skates around here grief and we shoot ourselves in the foot again

[Thedelldays]

any articles on this transfer committee..?

[RobM]

any articles on this transfer committee..?

 

Only on this forum... But if you say something enough, it becomes FACT.

[dubai_phil]

Gatting a bit wound up Phil? I don' think AP did too bag a job with the first team last year. As for being sacked for non footballing reasons, why did the other 2 go too?

 

Well to understand that you have to believe something you have heard. No point posting it because it is not attributable and then I'd only get sh1t from those who's agenda it doesn't fit.

 

Allegedly a warning was issued about something sometime, something re-occurred, only one 1st Team Coach appeared to know nothing about it.

 

Anyway, nobody believes or cares.

 

I believe we are in a hell of a lot more trouble than it appears. It isn't simply down to one man and it may not be something that we can afford at the moment to put right. Something is wrong, it isn't a fecking Committee that is for sure.

[Thedelldays]

Well to understand that you have to believe something you have heard. No point posting it because it is not attributable and then I'd only get sh1t from those who's agenda it doesn't fit.

 

Allegedly a warning was issued about something sometime, something re-occurred, only one 1st Team Coach appeared to know nothing about it.

 

Anyway, nobody believes or cares.

 

I believe we are in a hell of a lot more trouble than it appears. It isn't simply down to one man and it may not be something that we can afford at the moment to put right. Something is wrong, it isn't a fecking Committee that is for sure.

feel free to PM me what you have heard

[John Smith]

Jesus, some people.

 

Les Reed is in charge of Staplewood and Football Development. That brief includes the rather fundamental fact that he is the Manager, Director, Boss, organiser, strategist of...

 

Our SCOUTS.

 

So what everyone is bleating about is that the bloke who employs some 5 or 6 full time SCOUTS, looking for players for the FIRST team (and teh Academy) should NOT have a formalised structure where he should be at a table with the Chairman (Who controls the MONEY) and the First Team Manager?

 

Guys, this is REAL LIFE, the first team manager does not sit down with a cup of tea in the evenings and play FM 2010 and decide to drive off on a Saturday afternoon to watch some kid on a cabbage patch in deepest darkest Scotland.

 

I would be FAR more concerned if there WASN'T a structure where they sit and talk.

 

And as for "AP should have managed the Scouts" arguements - well, how about he managed the fecking FIRST TEAM.

 

We have had a number of commments now that AP was sacked for non-football related matters. Why not start fighting about what THAT meant?

 

Les Reed is by all accounts a prize c*ck but when AP arrived he had nothing, nada, nobody. NC & he built a structure between them. Does everyone REALLY believe that NC could have come from banking and known how to set up Staplewood and a Management structure that ACTUALLY makes SENSE and mirrors MOST other clubs all on his own?

 

You know what? Sod off back to Poopey the lot of you and stop infesting our forum.

 

I don't like Les Reed, I don't particularly like NC and I sure as sh1t don't like how we have started this season. But to keep going ON and ON and ON.

 

Sod the lot of you

 

I am totally with you on this phil. Some of the comments from 'fans' are just vile. The way these rumours, conjecture and bull***t are being regurgitated time and again so that they become as read and that those that are trying to debate, open up and consider the opinion, is then thrown back in their face as the event did happen or that this wouldn;t have been accepteable under Lowe's blah blah blah, it is MAKING ME PHYSICALLY SICK.

 

The time has come for the mods to put a stop to these non-saints coming on this site and posting. I want ST numbers taken, membership numbers recorded, some sort of questionnaire answered to prove you're not a poopey fan on a wind up. Why? Because half of you don;t seem to have the first f**king clue about football, nor one smidhing of a clue when it comes to business and may as well be a peguine in the sahara when you put the two together because it is so alien to you.

 

I am sick of it, and I hope you're glad. You have turned this website in to bull***t! And it has no worth anymore. There is no debate here, no like minded souls coming together to share opinions, just a lot of old tosh from idiots who haven't got a f**king clue.

 

P**s off back to fratton and back to your tabloids, stop screwing with my club, we don't need you, scum!

[Minsk]

So it is okay to believe one bit of gossip is not true and another is? AP has been beaten with all kinds of rumour, are you going to defend him in the same way?

 

Seeing as you haven't bothered answering my question I will ask again......

 

Where/when did Pardew say anything about a text? Or do you admit that was, in fact, a false statement on your behalf?

 

To my mind, failure to answer this simplest of questions is confirmation that you posted a fabrication because it suits your agenda.

 

Over to you..........

[sadoldgit]

Seeing as you haven't bothered answering my question I will ask again......

 

Where/when did Pardew say anything about a text? Or do you admit that was, in fact, a false statement on your behalf?

 

To my mind, failure to answer this simplest of questions is confirmation that you posted a fabrication because it suits your agenda.

 

Over to you..........

 

I have heard something tonight that gives me a different take on what possibly happened so I am not saying anymore on the subject for now Minsk.

[Thedelldays]

I have heard something tonight that gives me a different take on what possibly happened so I am not saying anymore on the subject for now Minsk.

 

You should here what I have heard... Wow, I mean wow

[Torres]

I have heard something tonight that gives me a different take on what possibly happened so I am not saying anymore on the subject for now Minsk.

 

I heard that what you heard is rubbish. And that is a FACT.

[leftback]

this was the beginning of the nc ap rift. pappa was nc's first signing for the club.Downes got ap to sign antonio, nc saw that as a direct challenge to pappa and would not even discuss signing antonio when it could have been done,(WHILE B ROGERS WAS STILL IN CHARGE AT READING)culminating in cortese walking out of the away fixture at wycombe after 25min shaking his head for all to see.cortese appoints l reed....crap. l reed appoints d burke....crap l reed appoints m hunter...crap ....theres your training ground rift... would have caused a rift anywhere because all 3 are useless,wilkins nailed himself to the new regime, murdoch downes backed the manager and that fellas is why ap murdoch and downes got sacked

[sadoldgit]

I heard that what you heard is rubbish. And that is a FACT.

 

LOL how do you know what I heard and who I heard it from Torres?

[sadoldgit]

You should here what I have heard... Wow, I mean wow

 

Not so much as wow but more I am going to wait to see what comes out as I think things are more messy than they appear already.

[kpturner]

You should here

Where ?

[sadoldgit]

this was the beginning of the nc ap rift. pappa was nc's first signing for the club.Downes got ap to sign antonio, nc saw that as a direct challenge to pappa and would not even discuss signing antonio when it could have been done,(WHILE B ROGERS WAS STILL IN CHARGE AT READING)culminating in cortese walking out of the away fixture at wycombe after 25min shaking his head for all to see.cortese appoints l reed....crap. l reed appoints d burke....crap l reed appoints m hunter...crap ....theres your training ground rift... would have caused a rift anywhere because all 3 are useless,wilkins nailed himself to the new regime, murdoch downes backed the manager and that fellas is why ap murdoch and downes got sacked

 

Sounds plausible.

[aintforever]

this was the beginning of the nc ap rift. pappa was nc's first signing for the club.Downes got ap to sign antonio, nc saw that as a direct challenge to pappa and would not even discuss signing antonio when it could have been done,(WHILE B ROGERS WAS STILL IN CHARGE AT READING)culminating in cortese walking out of the away fixture at wycombe after 25min shaking his head for all to see.cortese appoints l reed....crap. l reed appoints d burke....crap l reed appoints m hunter...crap ....theres your training ground rift... would have caused a rift anywhere because all 3 are useless,wilkins nailed himself to the new regime, murdoch downes backed the manager and that fellas is why ap murdoch and downes got sacked

 

It's all speculation and I guess we will never know the full facts but that sounds more plausible than the "Pardew caught ****ging a wag" theory.

 

Maybe there was a rift and the Gully signing brought it all to a head?

[RobM]

In any other job you have to be professional and put aside personal differences for the sake of the company and 'bigger picture'. Why can't football clubs be the same?

[up and away]

this was the beginning of the nc ap rift. pappa was nc's first signing for the club.Downes got ap to sign antonio, nc saw that as a direct challenge to pappa and would not even discuss signing antonio when it could have been done,(WHILE B ROGERS WAS STILL IN CHARGE AT READING)culminating in cortese walking out of the away fixture at wycombe after 25min shaking his head for all to see.cortese appoints l reed....crap. l reed appoints d burke....crap l reed appoints m hunter...crap ....theres your training ground rift... would have caused a rift anywhere because all 3 are useless,wilkins nailed himself to the new regime, murdoch downes backed the manager and that fellas is why ap murdoch and downes got sacked

 

Just one small problem, Pardew stated he already knew of Waigo, even before he joined Saints.

 

Pardew continued: "Papa Waigo comes to us from Fiorentina and he's highly recommended. I spoke to Gianluca Nani, the General Manager at West Ham and he said that he would be very surprised if we pulled off the signing. "We've managed to do it though, and now Papa has a platform here to really push on. He'll offer real pace and athleticism to our front line, and we're looking forward to seeing him today (Friday). If his work permit comes through he could be available for Saturday.

Alan Pardew is predicting 'chaos' when new loan striker Papa Waigo N'Diaye finally makes his long-awaited Saints debut…

 

Sounds plausible, if you want to believe in absolute ******

[Torres]

LOL how do you know what I heard and who I heard it from Torres?

 

Can't tell you that, but it is FACT.

[GenevaSaint]

Not so much as wow but more I am going to wait to see what comes out as I think things are more messy than they appear already.

 

SOG in ITK shocker. What a c**t. Unless it's libellous (sp?) there should be no reason not to post. If anyone had proof they would post. You make me sick.

[trousers]

Structure my arse

 

Start with a twice daily application of cocoa butter and take it from there

[Saint_clark]

Just one small problem, Pardew stated he already knew of Waigo, even before he joined Saints.

 

Pardew continued: "Papa Waigo comes to us from Fiorentina and he's highly recommended. I spoke to Gianluca Nani, the General Manager at West Ham and he said that he would be very surprised if we pulled off the signing. "We've managed to do it though, and now Papa has a platform here to really push on. He'll offer real pace and athleticism to our front line, and we're looking forward to seeing him today (Friday). If his work permit comes through he could be available for Saturday.

Alan Pardew is predicting 'chaos' when new loan striker Papa Waigo N'Diaye finally makes his long-awaited Saints debut…

 

Sounds plausible, if you want to believe in absolute ******

 

It's amazing how people just choose to ignore the posts that deal in facts and carry on spouting sh*t.

Maybe everyone should read this post again.

[itchen]

It's amazing how people just choose to ignore the posts that deal in facts and carry on spouting sh*t.

Maybe everyone should read this post again.

 

Do you know, I don't care. I was surprised when Pardew was sacked. I thought if it was going to happen it would have happened in the close season. But it's done. I have no idea why Cortese chose that moment to do it but, until one side or other chooses to publish the reasons, I am not going to believe any rumour posted on here.

 

On the question of Les Reed and his involvement in the first team, why can't people just accept what the club has said? He has no involvement with the first team. That means the first team manager will pick the team, supervise the training and set the tactics. But the first team manager doesn't (and shouldn't) work in isolation. He needs a network of scouts to look at potential players and to look at upcoming opponents. He needs someone to run the academy and the youth team and who can identify which young players are ready to be considered for a step up. That doesn't mean that the academy director can insist somebody plays - he merely says A or B may be worth a try.

 

And the manager shouldn't have the only say in transfers. Surely it's better that a number of people discuss what's required before the club spends a lot of money acquiring potentially the wrong player. The manager should have, perhaps, the largest input but not the only one.

 

And the other reason for having a strong back room is that managers move on (at Southampton with alarming frequency) and we shouldn't have to restructure the whole club each time this happens.

 

But I hope Adkins is here for the long haul. He will be fully aware of the structure he is coming into and, clearly, he finds that acceptable.

[Fowllyd]

Do you know, I don't care. I was surprised when Pardew was sacked. I thought if it was going to happen it would have happened in the close season. But it's done. I have no idea why Cortese chose that moment to do it but, until one side or other chooses to publish the reasons, I am not going to believe any rumour posted on here.

 

On the question of Les Reed and his involvement in the first team, why can't people just accept what the club has said? He has no involvement with the first team. That means the first team manager will pick the team, supervise the training and set the tactics. But the first team manager doesn't (and shouldn't) work in isolation. He needs a network of scouts to look at potential players and to look at upcoming opponents. He needs someone to run the academy and the youth team and who can identify which young players are ready to be considered for a step up. That doesn't mean that the academy director can insist somebody plays - he merely says A or B may be worth a try.

 

And the manager shouldn't have the only say in transfers. Surely it's better that a number of people discuss what's required before the club spends a lot of money acquiring potentially the wrong player. The manager should have, perhaps, the largest input but not the only one.

 

And the other reason for having a strong back room is that managers move on (at Southampton with alarming frequency) and we shouldn't have to restructure the whole club each time this happens.

 

But I hope Adkins is here for the long haul. He will be fully aware of the structure he is coming into and, clearly, he finds that acceptable.

 

Excellent post, very well put.

[CanadaSaint]

Excellent post, very well put.

 

It was indeed.

[Wes Tender]

Getting a bit wound up Phil? I don' think AP did too bad a job with the first team last year. As for being sacked for non footballing reasons, why did the other 2 go too?

 

Because they were his lieutenants? Because the new man would want people that he could work with? Because they were implicated also with some misdemeanour with Pardew?

 

Look, I don't know any more than you, but surely you are as capable of conjecture as anybody else? Perhaps not.