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However the one thing that is certain is that Eddie Howe doesn't need to save face with the AFCB supporters as the fans wouldn't turn on him. He's an AFCB supporter, he's come through the youth ranks, played for us, coached us and managed us. The fans raised the money to bring him back from your rivals after his injury, he has always had a close attachment to the supporters and that was before the miracles he has performed since becoming manager. There was even a thread on the AFCB forum discussing a chant for Eddie if he was your manager when we visit next month! If we were happy to chant his name as your manager, somehow I don't think he will need to win many over for turning you down.

well if that is the case why make it public?
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Exactly.

 

Last academic year I turned down a cracking job, a step up if you will, from where I am when I was told that the preferred candidate had turn them down.

 

I was going to be 2nd best for anyone and I don't blame Howe for doing the same.

 

2 years ago I turned down a job with a previous company (as they had made me redundant before and my Missus was having any of it again) so I had to turn them down.

 

And so did the second choice.................and the third..........But the forth took it.

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Just remember where the News comes from. It's always the Chairmen of the clubs involved never the candidate. Of course they would say what they do. They have big egos so I am not surprised. If Howe did not want the job he would have not bothered with the interview. We probably turned him down and his Chairman would not admit it.

 

Read what you have written then come back-

 

On one hand you are saying all chairmen have massive ego's so "they would say that" then on the other hand your saying that we have acted properly and our chairman is the man!

 

We offered Howe and Adkins the job, Adkins has refused because he was not prepared to shaft his club which he'd served for 14 years, Howe wanted the job which is why he came for the interview, he turnt us down because he, a long with every other manager, does not subscribe to the Cortese/Reed way! Fook me, what manager would want to share the running of the team then when it goes wrong be solely responsible??

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Read what you have written then come back-

 

On one hand you are saying all chairmen have massive ego's so "they would say that" then on the other hand your saying that we have acted properly and our chairman is the man!

 

We offered Howe and Adkins the job, Adkins has refused because he was not prepared to shaft his club which he'd served for 14 years, Howe wanted the job which is why he came for the interview, he turnt us down because he, a long with every other manager, does not subscribe to the Cortese/Reed way! Fook me, what manager would want to share the running of the team then when it goes wrong be solely responsible??

 

When did Adkins refuse?

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Can't agree with that, if another company tries to poach your staff I don't think there is any obligation to keep it secret.

 

I don't remember Lowe keeping quiet when Spurs nicked Hoddle.

 

That's a completely different situation because the deal was done and Hoddle left.

 

It is unprofessional (and even unprincipled) to blab about a deal that wasn't done. All you do is embarrass a variety of people (including the person who does takes the job) for the sake of a cheap laugh or ego tweak.

 

That, as I said yesterday, can come back to haunt you in later dealings.

 

If you don't see that or agree with it, fine, but don't compare it with the Hoddle situation because the two are night-and-day different. (Besides, Rupert - and the Club - ended up looking rather silly over that little outburst.)

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Eddie Howe is the best young manager in the lower leagues, would have been a fantastic appointment.

 

To be fair, Bournemouth are currently better than us and doing really well. Their fans are all behind the players, manager and board.

 

Whereas SFC are in chaos.

 

Fair play to him.

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Lord Duckhunter

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Anyone who believes a word Eddie Mitchell says is deluded. Is there any other confirmation that Howe turned the job down, other than Mitchell claiming he did?

 

Mitchell made this statement "He's made his mind up - he's staying, whether they [southampton] come back or not." Does anyone seriously believe Howe could reject NC's offer and that NC would still "come back"?

 

There's no doubt he was interviwed, but where is the proof he was offered the job?

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Nice also to see a few Cherries fans here tonight - welcome to you all, good luck for the season - any recent sightings (news of) our mutual friend LLS/LLC aka Mr Marc(k) Jackson...?

 

Mark (he has now officially changed the spelling of his name) Jackson was recently connected or associated with a Russian bid for our club over the summer.

 

well if that is the case why make it public?

 

That part is puzzling, it appeared in our Echo first, then appeared in your Echo, then an hour or so later Mitchell appeared on Sky Sports News.

 

There was no official comment or quotes in the original Echo story and then they and the BBC reproduced what was said on Sky. It could be that it wasn't leaked from either Howe or Mitchell, but Mitchell felt he had to comment once it was public (a bit like your official statement after the claims S****horpe made).

 

It's all just speculation though, I'm not even convinced of the timeline of events in all of this. According to a couple of suggestions on the AFCB forum, Howe was interviewed and offered the job last week...

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Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post

""Really? Do lots of people take this attitude? It strikes me a bit playground, "if you don't pick me first I don't want to be in your team". If you think you should have been first and want the job you take it and prove your point. Otherwise the job goes unfilled (as if) or the third of fourth or.. get the job.""

 

"In my profession, yes.

 

The job was re-advertised. Twice."

 

Hope you take this in the spirit it's intended in ... quite a liquid lunch [oh gawd, training tonight], but why? What is the rationale behind that attitude? Why your profession in particular?

 

Is it because you think that if the management offering the position preferred someone else they think you aren't up to the job? Or they won't be supportive? Is it an ego thing? If it is, how long before one considers it possible to apply again for the job, whether it's re-advertised or just vacant again as the first choice weren't up to it?

 

Two awful metaphors (mmm this cheap wine is growing on me), but do people still say "I won't marry you because you weren't a virgin, I wasn't your first choice" or to use a personal example "I'm not going to come off the bench because you didn't pick me as first choice CF". I can understand why I wasn't first choice [she's younger and faster etc.], but when I do come off the bench I try my damn hardest to make the manager's choice difficult for the next game. I don't sulk or refuse.

 

So back to footie managers and job offers: whether they were really made or not. They have all the politics of fans and boards and media to reconcile and keep happy. I assume that is what it's all about, but if it's just ego I prefer people with a little less touchiness and a little more confidence in their own abilities.

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Anyone who believes a word Eddie Mitchell says is deluded. Is there any other confirmation that Howe turned the job down, other than Mitchell claiming he did?

 

Mitchell made this statement "He's made his mind up - he's staying, whether they [southampton] come back or not." Does anyone seriously believe Howe could reject NC's offer and that NC would still "come back"?

 

There's no doubt he was interviwed, but where is the proof he was offered the job?

 

Absolutely spot on. The statement from Mitchell, was the only way howe could go back with any dignity.

The other scenario is he goes back having interviewed and not got the job, fans know he is off the next time there is an approach. The players think the same thing, morale goes down and he is no longer King Eddie.

 

I doubt very much if he was offered the job, but fully understand Mitchells statement..... I would have doen the same thing in his position.

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Lord Duckhunter

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Have Saints denied it.

 

They cant go around denying each and every piece of nonsense written. The statement on the O/S is pretty stright forward and as always Nicola is conducting business away from the media glare. Eddie Mitchell was and continues to be someone not to be trusted. If Milan Mandric had made such a statement about Leicester's Manager nobody would believe him, Eddie Mitchell is cut from the same cloth. Forum rules prevent me from going further, but it wouldn't take much research to find out what sort of man he is.

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Absolutely spot on. The statement from Mitchell, was the only way howe could go back with any dignity.

The other scenario is he goes back having interviewed and not got the job, fans know he is off the next time there is an approach. The players think the same thing, morale goes down and he is no longer King Eddie.

I doubt very much if he was offered the job, but fully understand Mitchells statement..... I would have doen the same thing in his position.

Basically you think that he was lying and you would be happy to be seen as a liar as well ??

Strange logic IMHO...

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Basically you think that he was lying and you would be happy to be seen as a liar as well ??

Strange logic IMHO...

 

My opinion is Howe went for an interview. When he spoke to Mitchell he asked him what the score was, Howe said he wasn't interested even if they came back and offered it to him, this appears to have happened after it became obvious that Adkins was target number 1. Mitchell then spun it differently to the press, saying he had turned down an offer, it was telling that Mitchell made a point of saying the interview was Thursday, when in fact many have posted it was before then.I was always led to believe that it is more a question of "are you still interseted" rather than an offer. I'm pretty certain that a concrete offer is only made when the Club know the interviewed Manager still wants the job. If not they end up looking like Mitchell's tried to make us look like. I've been to interviews where I know I aint getting the job and it's funny how Eddie Howe's rejection came after it became obvious that Adkins was target number 1.

 

To me Adkins and Howe (and others interviewed)

Adkins offered

Problems so Howe sounded out

Howe realised he wasn't original choice so told Mitchell he'd said no

Mitchell opens big mouth.

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This. Personally I'm quite encouraged that the people 'throwing buns' are from the other clubs involved, whilst we maintain dignity.

 

Nice also to see a few Cherries fans here tonight - welcome to you all, good luck for the season - any recent sightings (news of) our mutual friend LLS/LLC aka Mr Marc(k) Jackson...?

 

He still posts on here, has been on in the last few days.

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My opinion is Howe went for an interview. When he spoke to Mitchell he asked him what the score was, Howe said he wasn't interested even if they came back and offered it to him, this appears to have happened after it became obvious that Adkins was target number 1. Mitchell then spun it differently to the press, saying he had turned down an offer, it was telling that Mitchell made a point of saying the interview was Thursday, when in fact many have posted it was before then.I was always led to believe that it is more a question of "are you still interseted" rather than an offer. I'm pretty certain that a concrete offer is only made when the Club know the interviewed Manager still wants the job. If not they end up looking like Mitchell's tried to make us look like. I've been to interviews where I know I aint getting the job and it's funny how Eddie Howe's rejection came after it became obvious that Adkins was target number 1.

 

To me Adkins and Howe (and others interviewed)

Adkins offered

Problems so Howe sounded out

Howe realised he wasn't original choice so told Mitchell he'd said no

Mitchell opens big mouth.

 

 

 

lol..you have a vivid imagination.

 

The truth is Eddie turned you down...if he didnt he would be managing you tomorrow...............why cant you get over it?

 

As for the skate ****, well arent you a sad bunch of saddos......You only mention it when he decides your chairman / club / set up is mickey mouse and he would be happier at AFCB....

 

toodlepip

 

see you all in October (probably take over your place again)

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lol..you have a vivid imagination.

 

The truth is Eddie turned you down...if he didnt he would be managing you tomorrow...............why cant you get over it?

 

As for the skate ****, well arent you a sad bunch of saddos......You only mention it when he decides your chairman / club / set up is mickey mouse and he would be happier at AFCB....

 

toodlepip

 

see you all in October (probably take over your place again)

 

 

LOL Mickey mouse club.

 

We ll see how much of a god Eddie Mitchell is when he finally gets his grubby little mits on the ground around Dean Court then sods off.

 

Allways wanted to say this- I have heinz to back it up

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LOL Mickey mouse club.

 

We ll see how much of a god Eddie Mitchell is when he finally gets his grubby little mits on the ground around Dean Court then sods off.

 

Allways wanted to say this- I have heinz to back it up

 

and you are from Bournemouth?? shame on you..

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lol..you have a vivid imagination.

 

The truth is Eddie turned you down...if he didnt he would be managing you tomorrow...............why cant you get over it?

 

As for the skate ****, well arent you a sad bunch of saddos......You only mention it when he decides your chairman / club / set up is mickey mouse and he would be happier at AFCB....

 

toodlepip

 

see you all in October (probably take over your place again)

 

Eddie's not ready for a job like ours. However, he may regret it because I doubt managing AFC Bournemouth is the pinnacle of his ambitions. Sadly in football when he fails noone will be interested...........you are a small club and always will be.......

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probably knew he wasn't up to the job, not in our league at all, well he is but he soon won't be if you get my drift.

 

I dont get your drift mate....too busy laughing, anyway I cant post more than 3 times in 24 hours unless i pay a fiver...,mmmm so last post

 

anyway here's a history lesson for all you premier****e wannabees

 

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Quote Originally Posted by suewhistle View Post

""Really? Do lots of people take this attitude? It strikes me a bit playground, "if you don't pick me first I don't want to be in your team". If you think you should have been first and want the job you take it and prove your point. Otherwise the job goes unfilled (as if) or the third of fourth or.. get the job.""

 

"In my profession, yes.

 

The job was re-advertised. Twice."

 

Hope you take this in the spirit it's intended in ... quite a liquid lunch [oh gawd, training tonight], but why? What is the rationale behind that attitude? Why your profession in particular?

 

Is it because you think that if the management offering the position preferred someone else they think you aren't up to the job? Or they won't be supportive? Is it an ego thing? If it is, how long before one considers it possible to apply again for the job, whether it's re-advertised or just vacant again as the first choice weren't up to it?

 

Two awful metaphors (mmm this cheap wine is growing on me), but do people still say "I won't marry you because you weren't a virgin, I wasn't your first choice" or to use a personal example "I'm not going to come off the bench because you didn't pick me as first choice CF". I can understand why I wasn't first choice [she's younger and faster etc.], but when I do come off the bench I try my damn hardest to make the manager's choice difficult for the next game. I don't sulk or refuse.

 

So back to footie managers and job offers: whether they were really made or not. They have all the politics of fans and boards and media to reconcile and keep happy. I assume that is what it's all about, but if it's just ego I prefer people with a little less touchiness and a little more confidence in their own abilities.

 

There seems to be a pattern forming in your life......

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PS: When the new Saints manager is in place Cortese will put all these no mark bullsh*tters in place by stating the actual turn of events in what should be a rather comprehensive press release. My money is on fast Eddie throwing his hat into the ring in panic on being told Saints were in advanced negotiations with Adkins only to be told 'no thanks sonny' - the poor bast*rd is probably desperate to trade in his Mondeo for a Mercedes. Punch & Judy, geriatrics, serial bankruptcy, and the Krankies, the poor bast*rd...

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lol..you have a vivid imagination.

 

The truth is Eddie turned you down...if he didnt he would be managing you tomorrow...............why cant you get over it?

 

As for the skate ****, well arent you a sad bunch of saddos......You only mention it when he decides your chairman / club / set up is mickey mouse and he would be happier at AFCB....

 

toodlepip

 

see you all in October (probably take over your place again)

 

proudest moment singing "now you are going to believe us we are going to St Marys"!! a dream come true and first thing in your fans mind when celebrating last season.

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Whether he turned us down or we didnt want him, I dont really care Im just glad he isnt going to be our manager. He would fail! Its all well and good nurturing a small group of players on the brink of relegation, and boasting their confidence when nobody expected them to do much. Its abit different coming to a club with quality players and the expectation that they will go up this season.

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Hoew could go onto be a good manager, personally would think we would have better chance of promotion with one of the two managers who I have actually heard saying they are impressed and want the job - Brown or Adkins.

 

Adkins seems a very good choice.

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I can't see how Howe has the credentials for being offered the job in the first place. He has only been managing five minutes - I know he has had a good start but we are talking about the old 4th division here and it could very well be his pinnacle of achievement. He is too much of a risk for us at the moment and I don't think he would fit NC's criteria for a manager due to lack of experience.

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Why do these idiots have to conduct negotiations in the press? Both the S****horpe and Bournemouth chairman were actively trying to push their manager in our direction, why? I can only assume that compensation figures must have been influencing them and they saw this as an opportunity to get paid out on something that was going to happen soon anyway. If Howe continues as he has, someone else will soon be knocking on the door and he will be off. This time all the chairman will see is a bag of peanuts rather than coin of the realm. Bournemouth fans can argue until they are blue in the face as Eddie has already shown where his loyalty lies, now it's just a question of opportunity and price.

 

Adkins will be our new manager next week, I expect. Eddie Howe has never been offered the job. He may well of turned down any further opportunity to accept the job once he was initially looked over, but that's about it. Interesting comment from Adkins yesterday that Saints had behaved "impeccably", indicating that maybe not all the fault lies at our feet. One small concern is Cortese's trip back to Switzerland, if that was to update the Liebherrs and gain agreement for increased compensation, that does not tick the right boxes. If it was nothing to do with the club, that again would be a concern at such a vital time.

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Turned down the best job he will probably ever had......don't think so,the boy is a fool.

He may have been given an interview but he didn't hear anything,then he heard that Adkins was getting the job so through fear of upsetting the bompey fans he made a statement saying he turned us down.....damage limitation that's all.

 

If he is a decent manager he is young and the chances are that he will get better job offers. We are a Div 3 club don't forget.

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