Cortese Questions

[moonraker]

Report from one who was there

 

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=479&fid=224&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120208945

 

 

Most importantly we know that it will not be Phil Brown.....

 

Very interesting and not unexpected, NC is doing a job namely to get SFC back in prem. We all knew things at SMS needed changing, as they the old saying goes you cant make an omelette without breaking eggs. We must let him get on with it, he will make mistakes and get things wrong form time to time as long as he learns from these he will continue to get my support.

[JustMike]

undoutedly, full of greed, wanting to stuff as much free food and drink down their fat chops as they can, properly taking the p*ss, then crowing about it afterwards.

 

you went then

[surrey1saint]

Excellent,after this we can now judge NC in a more balanced way.

 

I feel a lot happier with him at the helm.

 

Thanks.

[solentstars]

Pleased to see some positives stuff emerging about NC.

We need more of these type of events so Nicola can overcome the growing nos of doubters but this is a start in the right direction.

 

Please note Fitzhugh Fella in positive post shock

 

i agree its the lack of reasons for the withdrawal of the payment plan of season ticket at short notice which lead to supporters not trusting the guy,he should have let people know he was looking at a swipe card system.

[The Cat]

Main problem seems to be that Cortese hasn't worked in an industry before that has fans.

 

Reading that link, he comes across really well. I just wish he'd communicate more with the fans through press releases on the OS to keep us informed. For example if the season ticket installments were stopped for the reasons given, and will be reintroduced at a later date, then we should have been told that when they were originally withdrawn. This would have saved a lot of anger and conjecture amongst the fans - not just on here too.

 

Fair play to him for meeting with the fans like that. Interesting that I suggested something similar on the clubs feedback questionnaire before the start of the season. I await my invitation to the next meeting Nicola!

[northam soul]

Right not much more to add from the original transcript other than when we get promotion ( god this will start the better fan than you arguement ) season ticket holders who have stayed loyal with the club through thick and thin will get much cheaper tickets than those who havnt.

And the meal was roast duck with plenty of free wine and beer.

[SaintRichmond]

Encouraging

 

Interesting points made, my thoughts and some conjecture

 

Perhaps the pre season was what finally did for AP (silly money spent, unconditioned players) and a straw (however) finally broke the camels back last week.

 

NC dislike of the media comes from his inability to control them and inherrent mistrust. I dont mean control in a proporganda way but delivering the message actually and when he wants. I think this is naivety on his part through not having experienced the english press at work. I hope he realises that the best way to get your message across is to cosy up to them. Just look at saggy. To the press he can do no wrong, but then he always makes time for them. NC could do himself a favour and get some media training.

 

I think Cortese's reaction to that was spot on

 

The Press DO twist anything you say, to suit their own ends, ie Sensationalism and more paper Sales

 

You can NEVER Trust any Reporter to be on YOUR side, because they are on their Papers side

 

Cortese has every right to despise the British Pres, they are like Bloodsuckers

[Ian the Red]

I think Cortese's reaction to that was spot on

 

The Press DO twist anything you say, to suit their own ends, ie Sensationalism and more paper Sales

 

You can NEVER Trust any Reporter to be on YOUR side, because they are on their Papers side

 

Cortese has every right to despise the British Pres, they are like Bloodsuckers

 

Exactly! The press in this country are a bunch of *&^%!

[DT]

And of course you never read any papers whatsoever.

[amsterdam]

I think Cortese's reaction to that was spot on

 

The Press DO twist anything you say, to suit their own ends, ie Sensationalism and more paper Sales

 

You can NEVER Trust any Reporter to be on YOUR side, because they are on their Papers side

 

Cortese has every right to despise the British Pres, they are like Bloodsuckers

 

 

Agree totally; NC comes from a financial background where any reports released are clear and unambiguous; if someone leaves a board of directors "due to mutual agreement" the media/shareholders don't generally:

a) start rumours that the departing director was sh*gging everything in sight;

b) assume the chairman is a c**t

c) compare the chairman to Hitler/Mussolini/Pol Pot

d) get all the director's pals and ex-company staff moaning to the national media that the chairman doesn't understand football

 

 

I think NC is just trying to run SFC as a "professional" business; I know footie is a unique industry in many ways, but I can't fault NC for giving it a try. Much prefer his approach than than the (allegedly) shambolic, dodgy-dealing of certain other clubs/individuals.

[norwaysaint]

It seems to me that Cortese is actually the only one who's been acting in a professional or honourable way all through this. Most of the idiots who've been criticising him based on rumour or comparing him to Lowe or other such silly things need to see that he is only refusing to get involved in some of the more unprofessional and petty aspects that football fans have come to expect of their clubs. He doesn't discuss the private matter of the reasons behind Pardew's sacking and never will, because that's not a public issue. He doesn't respond to every press speculation, because that's a waste of anyone's time.

 

His decisions about how the club should be run all seem to be based on sense and sound business. Too many people here just want the pettiness they're used to and can't handle Cortese because he doesn't get involved, he just gets on with the job. We're lucky to have him and I hope he doesn't get sick of the abuse he seems to be getting from the more ignorant fans, whom we'll obviously never be entirely rid of.

[Chez]

I think Cortese's reaction to that was spot on

 

The Press DO twist anything you say, to suit their own ends, ie Sensationalism and more paper Sales

 

You can NEVER Trust any Reporter to be on YOUR side, because they are on their Papers side

 

Cortese has every right to despise the British Pres, they are like Bloodsuckers

 

doesn't stop him telling the fans a little more via the club website, but I guess its the Swiss way - do things quietly, without a fuss or fanfair/explanation.

[iansums]

And of course you never read any papers whatsoever.

 

Personally, I don't spend a penny on newspapers and havent bought one for years. Read a little bit on line but that's all. I think this country would be a better place without the likes on the Sun / Mail / Mirror etc. Look at all the nonsense yesterday, all down to the misreporting in the media.

[moonraker]

Where were you when I was fighting in the name of my club?

I don't know how old you are but in the 80's I followed saints home and away pretty much every game,in those days you had no choice but to fight just to see your team play football.

The police were always waiting to give you a beating for no reason and then you had to face the home fans,all this before you even got to the ground,then there would usually be trouble in the ground followed by a fight to get back to your train.......if you didn't hit first you got hit.

 

And besides I didn't want to ruin the designer clothes I just nicked.

 

You did have choice, neither me nor my mates o a beating from the police or got into a fight with other fans. P*ss poor excuse for unacceptable behaviour.

[Professor]

So we know that Cortese said that Pardew had to be dismissed, it 'had to be done'. But we don't know from that whether that was due to team performance, management issues, or personal matters, so we are no nearer knowing the rights and wrongs. Until fans do, there will be unhealthy speculation.

 

We know that the photographer ban continues - something that is exceptional, if not unique to this club. That will not win the club any friends in the media, and like it or not, thats where most fans get their Saints information from.

 

We don't know how the manager search is going, but should not expect to. Such matters do need to be conducted in private, as far as that is possible. Phil Brown ruled out is probably good news to most fans but whether Adkins is the only name on the List remains a possibility. That does not, of course, mean that there is no other name, or that others could not be added if the Adkins move does not come about.

[Ian the Red]

Report from one who was there

 

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=479&fid=224&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120208945

 

 

Most importantly we know that it will not be Phil Brown.....

 

 

Everyone should read this, plus hopefully we will have others commenting on the dinner who were there. Confirms my impressions of NC. Hopefully the anti NC brigade will get off his case and allow him to do his job.

[Ian the Red]

And of course you never read any papers whatsoever.

 

Yeah I do, The Daily Telegraph, would not ever read the crap Sun comic

[Saint Billy]

It seems that NC has climbed down on the piccies front though.

 

http://blogs.loughboroughecho.net/goaltastic/2010/09/photographers-back-in-the-fram.html

[Charlie Wayman]

obviously some right c*nts there too then.

 

A somewhat elegant turn of phrase. You seem to have been excelling yourself on this thread. It is hard to determine your problem with other people but boy you do have some issues. Most readers will still be looking up 'pikey' on Wiki, it's certainly not a word that one has encountered amongst the polite society of the Itchen. It emphasises the wide diversity of people who label themselves as Saints fans.

 

Remember the mantra "Live and let live!"

[doddisalegend]

Everyone should read this, plus hopefully we will have others commenting on the dinner who were there. Confirms my impressions of NC. Hopefully the anti NC brigade will get off his case and allow him to do his job.[/QUOTE]

 

Not really everyone has the right to judge NC how they see fit. He should not be above critiscim from the fans if he deserves it. I'll take each action he takes and make my own mind up about it as should everyone. Some on here will hate him not matter what he does. Some will back him regardless of what he does. Most hopefully will judge him on a case by case basis. I have no deisire to worship NC becuase he says he wants us to be in the champions league nothing brought up in the article above is suprising or new. To my mind somethings he has done have been good some things poor. Lets not make him out to be a god or equally demonise him either.

[Spudders]

It seems that NC has climbed down on the piccies front though.

 

http://blogs.loughboroughecho.net/goaltastic/2010/09/photographers-back-in-the-fram.html

 

Funny that the story turns up in places like the Loughborough echo! My colleague was in London last Friday, he text me to say he'd seen a story about this in the free London metro newspaper.

[Toadhall Saint]

Sums up what i've come to suspect over the last 24 hours - that we've got completely the wrong end of the stick with this guy.

 

All good stuff.

 

Ditto - me I take things on direct quotes not made up XYZ understand that.............

[Ian the Red]

Everyone should read this, plus hopefully we will have others commenting on the dinner who were there. Confirms my impressions of NC. Hopefully the anti NC brigade will get off his case and allow him to do his job.[/QUOTE]

 

Not really everyone has the right to judge NC how they see fit. He should not be above critiscim from the fans if he deserves it. I'll take each action he takes and make my own mind up about it as should everyone. Some on here will hate him not matter what he does. Some will back him regardless of what he does. Most hopefully will judge him on a case by case basis. I have no deisire to worship NC becuase he says he wants us to be in the champions league nothing brought up in the article above is suprising or new. To my mind somethings he has done have been good some things poor. Lets not make him out to be a god or equally demonise him either.

 

Agree, but too many are making up their minds based on rumour, here say and then go out of their way to knock the man. No one should be above criticism but comments need to be based on fact. Let's face very, very few on here know the facts but are happy to criticise and even make out that NC is another Lowe!

 

Yes, NC has not helped himself by not making it known why he has taken certain decisions, but we as fans need to adapt to his, Swiss/Italain way of doing business. NC will learn eventually that SFC needs to keep the fans informed and then we can pass judgement.

[trousers]

Thinking out loud, and the more I think about it, I'm wondering if Cortese's somewhat hermit like approach to running the club over the last 6 - 9 months was directly connected to him knowing something about Markus's health condition way before the inevitable happened and that he became understandably pre-occupied on getting everything in place before Markus's sad departure.

 

His communication finesse to fans, the press, etc, would have been the last thing on his mind and I can now see signs that he is starting to come out of this self imposed tunnel that would have been a combination of grief for his friend and his single-mindedness in making sure that Saints were set up for the future.

 

All obviously reading between the lines but what with the recent meeting with fans and The Sun I can see signs that Cortese is starting to find the time and will to focus on the non-business elements of running a football club again.

 

Just some thoughts.

[Rebel]

the reason for not having an installment plan been know for a while - I read about it on here and when I renewed ny season ticket I asked the ticket office and they gave me that reason

 

reflects badly on Saints fans - although the club should have come out and said why - and given a bit more notice!

 

we still don't really know why Cortese sacked Pardew though

 

I think we can probably discount the made up rumours about Fonte or any other players wife - or a bust up at the training ground. The reaction of the players on the pitch seems to prove that this was a load of rubbish

 

'it had to be done' doesn't really tell us much though does it

 

pre-season was certainly a waste of time this year though - only 3 players brought in, one of whom got injured, 3 games where the first team was played and only for about 45 minutes in each of them, injuries to Lallana, Lambert and Puncheon

 

we started the season at a gentle jog as a result - whereas we should have come out the blocks firing on all cyliners and at a sprint!

 

undoubtedly this all played a part in Pardews sacking - but I think it really came down to an argument about transfers - or lack of them - and lack of transfer funds.

 

Reading between the lines Waigo was all set to return to Saints but Pardew didn't want him - and blocked the transfer - but then failed to bring anyone else in.

 

Sounds like Cortese refused to meet Reading asking price for Antonio at the same time. I think we also failed with a bid for Nicky Bailey, Simeon Jackson and Matt Phillips - mostly because they wanted Championship or Premierhsip football and signed for clubs higher up the league. Cortese then brought in Do Prado ignoring Pardew.

 

This all led to a confrontation about transfers and budgets, Pardew asking for more money to guarantee promotion - Cortese saying no - which along with the poor start to the season and a wasted pre-season led to a parting of the ways.

 

Sure it all supposition - but it sounds a lot more realistic than the rumours I've been reading and hearing. Call it an educated guess.

 

as for the new manager fiasco - I think that will take some more explaining!

[Liquidshokk]

Thinking out loud, and the more I think about it, I'm wondering if Cortese's somewhat hermit like approach to running the club over the last 6 - 9 months was directly connected to him knowing something about Markus's health condition way before the inevitable happened and that he became understandably pre-occupied on getting everything in place before Markus's sad departure.

 

His communication finesse to fans, the press, etc, would have been the last thing on his mind and I can now see signs that he is starting to come out of this self imposed tunnel that would have been a combination of grief for his friend and his single-mindedness in making sure that Saints were set up for the future.

 

All obviously reading between the lines but what with the recent meeting with fans and The Sun I can see signs that Cortese is starting to find the time and will to focus on the non-business elements of running a football club again.

 

Just some thoughts.

 

I like the sound of this and really hope this is the case. He would have had a hell of a lot of other more important things on his mind last season than milking his new found status with the fans....

 

I really wish I was invited to that dinner :-(

[alpine_saint]

I am very relieved to read the outcome of this dinner - thanks for the links.

 

I really want to support NC, and he presses all the right buttons according to this summary. He has the potential to be a great chairman, and I agree with the earlier comment that all that separates him from greatness seems to be PR (provided he picks the right manager now) I am willing to accept AP was removed for good reasons.

 

Its just a pity it took an event like this to clear things up. Why cant he commnicate properly with the fan base via the OS ? He bypasses the media then.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I find it quite interesting that in the dark days of Lowe, many fans would complain bitterly about how much limelight Lowe would take up and when you think back, the OS had as much propaganda from Lowe as information about the Manager and his team. IMO this has been reversed with NC - it's all about results and the people that make things tick at SMS and I applaude this.

 

I think it's forgotten that we're just one year-ish into NC being here and as he puts it, the club was a wreck which will take 5 years to properly re-build as a true force. I am thoroughly encouraged by the information provided in the link from the dinner meeting (wish it was me!) and even more than before, I completely believe if anyone can get the club back to the Prem, NC is the man to do that. This is also true of the managerial appointment - if he think NA is the man to do this, then I believe him frankly.

[saintjay77]

wonder what odds I would get on us winning the Champions League in the next 10 or so years?

 

EDIT:

Well happy with reading the fact that he is prepared to meet with fans and even more happy at the outcome of the meeting.

[Kingsland Codger]

Right not much more to add from the original transcript other than when we get promotion ( god this will start the better fan than you arguement ) season ticket holders who have stayed loyal with the club through thick and thin will get much cheaper tickets than those who havnt.

And the meal was roast duck with plenty of free wine and beer.

 

But the key question about the evening with Mr Cortese has yet to be asked.

 

Was the duck served with a black cherry or an orange sauce?

[trousers]

And the meal was roast duck

 

Canard?

[Viking Warrior]

From a Personnel Officers point of view you do not tell the public why somebody has been dismissed.

the only exception is where someone is dismissed following a criminal conviction as it will be in all the papers>

Look at some teachers who have been sent to jail recently for assualting a pupil or having pornography on their computer

 

It his the headlines but the authority never states why they have ben dismissed. Local authorities have an implied term where by they do not discuss individual employees wrong doing.

 

So why should saints announce the reason for pardews dismissal. from an employment point of view he has 3 months tosubmit a claim for unfair dismissal to a tribuanl assuming he has worked for the club for mor than a year

 

If some of you were dismissed for wrong doing in the work place would you want it released in the public domain by any chance

[northam soul]

Canard?

 

No Mallard. Sorry had to be done

 

Now i have wasted my last post of the day so i guess i will have to hurry up and pay my fiver before our new manager gets appointed, or have i got a few weeks

[Joensuu]

This thread confirms my impression of Cortese. It has felt like I've being fighting against the tide on here for weeks when I've been trying to argue that Cortese's actions can all be explained rationally. People have been jumping to conclusions, and have pointed to 'rumour' or 'string of c*ck-ups' instead of evidence.

 

I hope Cortese will grow more comfortable with the communication side of his role. In his previous career communications were formal, trusted, and scheduled; with a football club communications should be just as accurate, but can't be scheduled, rumour needs to be nipped in the bud.

 

As for the media, good on Cortese, they generally do mislead and twist a story out of a half comment. Cortese should stick to his guns and not react to their drivel.

 

Good to see that he is thinking of re-introducing the season ticket installment plan, after the system has been tightened to stop the non-payers.

 

So for me, my only remaining bone with Cortese is the £3 booking fee, and only because I resent paying booking fees ever, for anything (why not just add £3 to the base price of the ticket and be done with it?)

Edited 10 September, 2010 by Joensuu
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[alpine_saint]

Interesting that he indicated that the installment plan was having problems because of non-payers.

 

Suggest that the fan base has itself at least partly to blame.

[dubai_phil]

This thread confirms my impression of Cortese. It has felt like I've being fighting against the tide on here for weeks when I've been trying to argue that Cortese's actions can all be explained rationally. People have been jumping to conclusions, and have pointed to 'rumour' or 'sting of c*ck-ups' instead of evidence.

 

I hope Cortese will grow more comfortable with the communication side of his role. In his previous career communications were formal, trusted, and scheduled; with a football club communications should be just as accurate, but can't be scheduled, rumour needs to be nipped in the bud.

 

As for the media, good on Cortese, they generally do milead and twist a story out of a half comment. Cortese should stick to his guns and not react to their drivel.

 

Good to see that he is thinking of re-introducing the season ticket installment plan, after the system has been tightened to stop the non-payers.

 

So for me, my only remaining bone with Cortese is the £3 booking fee, and only because I resent paying booking fees ever, for anything (why not just add £3 to the base price of the ticket and be done with it?)

 

At least now we know why some on here have been so vocal about the withdrawal of the installment plan. They now have to PAY to watch a game just like everyone else...

 

 

 

And no, I wasn't having a dig at DBP there

 

More to the point though, NC was a "Senior Type Account Advisor" to High nett Worth Individuals. I think the only shock would be if he could NOT work a dinner party/Networking event in a highly polished and professional manner.

 

Press the flesh, engage, empathise. Rules 1 through 3 in that sort of role.

 

 

(Bet the 14 ST holders get put on a mailing list for Investment Deals as well)

[exit2]

We always knew why it was pulled, but what ****ed people off is the timing and the way people found out it stopped. One other thing I have asked the club but never had a reply is why as a season ticket holder was not contacted this year? I had no correspondance from the club at all regarding my renewal. Now dont get me wrong as a business man he is spot on but his PR skills are ****e

[whizz]

Thanks for this info guys - I didn't know anything about this special invitation dinner. Sounds like NC really is very committed to doing what is best for Saints in the long term. The snippets of info are very encouraging, and explains a bit more about NC as a person - most of the negative press is due to him not liking the press I guess, and due to his silence on many issues this does cause a lot of speculation on all sorts of subjects etc I guess we'll have to get used to his silence and let him get on with things.... he'll be here for the long term! I particurlarly like the comment he made to ML about the Champions League!! :-)

[sadoldgit]

From a Personnel Officers point of view you do not tell the public why somebody has been dismissed.

the only exception is where someone is dismissed following a criminal conviction as it will be in all the papers>

Look at some teachers who have been sent to jail recently for assualting a pupil or having pornography on their computer

 

It his the headlines but the authority never states why they have ben dismissed. Local authorities have an implied term where by they do not discuss individual employees wrong doing.

 

So why should saints announce the reason for pardews dismissal. from an employment point of view he has 3 months tosubmit a claim for unfair dismissal to a tribuanl assuming he has worked for the club for mor than a year

 

If some of you were dismissed for wrong doing in the work place would you want it released in the public domain by any chance

 

It is the definition of "wrong doing" that we are interested in.

[sadoldgit]

It seems to me that Cortese is actually the only one who's been acting in a professional or honourable way all through this. Most of the idiots who've been criticising him based on rumour or comparing him to Lowe or other such silly things need to see that he is only refusing to get involved in some of the more unprofessional and petty aspects that football fans have come to expect of their clubs. He doesn't discuss the private matter of the reasons behind Pardew's sacking and never will, because that's not a public issue. He doesn't respond to every press speculation, because that's a waste of anyone's time.

 

His decisions about how the club should be run all seem to be based on sense and sound business. Too many people here just want the pettiness they're used to and can't handle Cortese because he doesn't get involved, he just gets on with the job. We're lucky to have him and I hope he doesn't get sick of the abuse he seems to be getting from the more ignorant fans, whom we'll obviously never be entirely rid of.

 

There is nothing wrong with critisising him or comparing him to Lowe or anyone else. No matter how much you big him up, the questions and issues remain (unless you only see what you want to see of course). It has nothing to do with pettiness, it is all about discussion and sharing opinions.

[The Cat]

Interesting that he indicated that the installment plan was having problems because of non-payers.

 

Suggest that the fan base has itself at least partly to blame.

 

One of the reasons for this may well have been the fact that the installments came out of supporters accounts at completely random times. When I booked my ticket over the phone I was told one installment would be taken that day, followed by 4 more on the 1st of the month. However this was not the case. The next month it came out on the 4th, then the 12th and so on.

 

While I agree that people should be keeping track of their accounts, this is not always the case. A friend of mine had his season ticket withdrawn due to thinking the money had come out as arranged and when the club tried to take the payment in the middle of the month it was refused by his bank due to insufficient funds. The next game (Gills at home) he was late arriving at the ground. I'd already phoned him to tell him someone was in his seat as they'd sold his ticket. When he arrived and questioned a steward about it he was told it was due to non payment of his ticket. He offered to go round to the ticket office and pay the rest on his credit card but the club refused to let him do this and withdrew his ticket.

 

He complained at a later date and Cortese apologised and gave him free tickets to a game of his choice. It didn't help Saints' cause in this case that he is brand manager at a company that works and advertises with the club and had already been invited to be a corporate guest a Leyton Orient away where he ended up sitting diectly in front of Cortese!

 

So while there may have been some fans who started the installment plan and then canceled their direct debit in the hope of getting a cheap ST, the club's admin definitely let them down in at least one case.

[Viking Warrior]

SOG

 

Wrong doing copuld mean anything . Theft down loading porn, inapprorpiate affairs or any other matter that means an employee has lost the complete trust of his her employer. I would be suprised if there hasnt been a compromise agreement drawn up between the parties.

[Durleyfos]

Excellent,after this we can now judge NC in a more balanced way.

 

I feel a lot happier with him at the helm.

 

Thanks.

 

I was beginning to think we had another Roops on our hands.

 

I'm now glad that NC is in charge.

 

He's not afraid to make decisions that will upset the majority if it's for the good of our club.

 

I don't know much about Swiss banking, but I'm pretty sure you don't get to be as successfull as him without ruffling a few feathers.

[derry]

This thread confirms my impression of Cortese. It has felt like I've being fighting against the tide on here for weeks when I've been trying to argue that Cortese's actions can all be explained rationally. People have been jumping to conclusions, and have pointed to 'rumour' or 'string of c*ck-ups' instead of evidence.

 

I hope Cortese will grow more comfortable with the communication side of his role. In his previous career communications were formal, trusted, and scheduled; with a football club communications should be just as accurate, but can't be scheduled, rumour needs to be nipped in the bud.

 

As for the media, good on Cortese, they generally do mislead and twist a story out of a half comment. Cortese should stick to his guns and not react to their drivel.

 

Good to see that he is thinking of re-introducing the season ticket installment plan, after the system has been tightened to stop the non-payers.

 

So for me, my only remaining bone with Cortese is the £3 booking fee, and only because I resent paying booking fees ever, for anything (why not just add £3 to the base price of the ticket and be done with it?)

 

Because if you bought 5 tickets it would cost £15 extra not £3.

[doddisalegend]

For all those pointing out he only has the clubs best interests at heart the point is kind of moot. All chairmen would say they have their clubs best interests at heart, even if it's just because the club is their cash cow. No doubt Lowe thought he was doing what was best for Saints, despite what many think it wasn't in his best interests to destroy the club. Plenty of people with good intentions f uck up. Lets judge him on his actions (both goo and bad) and not on a bit of smooshing at a dinner date or some rumour stated on the net.

[norwaysaint]

There is nothing wrong with critisising him or comparing him to Lowe or anyone else. No matter how much you big him up, the questions and issues remain (unless you only see what you want to see of course). It has nothing to do with pettiness, it is all about discussion and sharing opinions.

 

It is wrong when the criticisms take the staring point of using mere rumour against him. The people criticising had no facts, yet felt the need to make critical comments about what he had "done" anyway. Now facts have come out, they've shown all of those criticisms to be nonsense.

[doddisalegend]

It is wrong when the criticisms take the staring point of using mere rumour against him. The people criticising had no facts, yet felt the need to make critical comments about what he had "done" anyway. Now facts have come out, they've shown all of those criticisms to be nonsense.

 

Well NCs version of them.........

[saint_bert]

Right not much more to add from the original transcript other than when we get promotion ( god this will start the better fan than you arguement ) season ticket holders who have stayed loyal with the club through thick and thin will get much cheaper tickets than those who havnt.

And the meal was roast duck with plenty of free wine and beer.

 

What about fans that were season ticket holders up untill the payment plan was taken away?

 

Does that make them "fans who didnt stick by the club through thick and thin"

 

No anti Cortese agenda from me, im quite a big supporter of his, but just wondering.

[trousers]

What about fans that were season ticket holders up untill the payment plan was taken away?

 

Does that make them "fans who didnt stick by the club through thick and thin"

 

No anti Cortese agenda from me, im quite a big supporter of his, but just wondering.

 

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many people fit in that bracket? Double figures? In the hundreds?

 

I'm not suggesting that the lower the figure the less these people should feel disenfranchised, but just curious as to how many people we're actually talking about here who didn't (couldn't) renew because of the withdrawal of the payment scheme

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Well that's a credit in the Cortese goodwill bank for sure. Just need a sensible managerial appointment that is in line with the 5 year PL plan and managerial stability throughout that term and I'll be a lot happier.