Cortese Is Being Unfairly Treated

[daveygwyatt]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

 

 

 

What a prize t w a t you are!

[david in sweden]

Agreed, Cortese is arguing over peanuts for someone to administer millions. Each day of delay loses out on another group of loans who go elsewhere. Meanwhile Cortese has turned our image into an administrative shambles and Prem Clubs just will not loan valuable youngsters here.

 

 

with SO MANY conflicting reports, one wonders whether Cortese was really responsible for the " resign instead " suggestion ..? or if one of his minions was trying a " back-door approach" to save a few 000K.

Either way it makes our bargaining process look a bit sleazy.

[sadoldgit]

Feck me SOG you wouldn't last 5 mins in a court of law - evidence and proof please.

 

No it wouldn't stand up in a court of law, nor would the rumour that Pardew had done someones missus. I wonder where that came from?

[sadoldgit]

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

 

Careful Steve, Mr Cortese is above critisisim dontcha know?

[Chez]

Alternatively are there any suitors willing to invest as much or have the same ambitions as Cortese? Hardly. So you have to factor that in.

 

Just exactly how much money has Cortese invested?

[sadoldgit]

What do we really know about Mr Cortese? That he was liked by Markus, that he didn't get on with Pardew, that he hates the media, that he has made some poor decisions, that he is not popular with some staff at the club, that he has banned some famous names from the club...

 

Not a great 1st year to be honest.

 

Hopefully things will improve as he gains more experience but please, all this fireproof stuff becaus ehe apparently single handedly saved the club from extinction has got to stop.

 

Anyone at the club making decsion that affect its performance and future is up for having his or her actions discussed on here. It was the case for Lowe, Wilde and Crouch and it is the case for Cortese.

 

He sacked a perfectly good manager after a 4-0 win. Saying !It had to be done" isn't going to placate a lot of people who have seen for a long time that there was no live between them. It may be a one off, but if he is going to be hard to work for it will be another period of revolving doors and no stability or growth.

[JackFrost]

What do we really know about Mr Cortese? That he was liked by Markus, that he didn't get on with Pardew, that he hates the media, that he has made some poor decisions, that he is not popular with some staff at the club, that he has banned some famous names from the club...

 

Not a great 1st year to be honest.

 

Hopefully things will improve as he gains more experience but please, all this fireproof stuff becaus ehe apparently single handedly saved the club from extinction has got to stop.

 

Anyone at the club making decsion that affect its performance and future is up for having his or her actions discussed on here. It was the case for Lowe, Wilde and Crouch and it is the case for Cortese.

 

He sacked a perfectly good manager after a 4-0 win. Saying !It had to be done" isn't going to placate a lot of people who have seen for a long time that there was no live between them. It may be a one off, but if he is going to be hard to work for it will be another period of revolving doors and no stability or growth.

 

Like 90% of CEOs running big companies.

 

Cortese has made mistakes and his lack of communication doesn't do him many favours, but there are far too many people immediately pointing the finger at Cortese without any evidence, when they know none of the facts.

 

The photographer ban is a perfect example of that, no one knows for certain what the exact reasoning was behind it. The amount of unfounded criticism directed at Cortese was ridiculous. Considering the ban was enforced around the same time as the home game Liebherr was due to attend but didn't due to illness, and appeared to have been lifted shortly after ML's funeral there could well be many on here due to eat humble pie if we ever knew the facts. I won't hold my breath on either count though.

[sadoldgit]

Like 90% of CEOs running big companies.

 

Cortese has made mistakes and his lack of communication doesn't do him many favours, but there are far too many people immediately pointing the finger at Cortese without any evidence, when they know none of the facts.

 

The photographer ban is a perfect example of that, no one knows for certain what the exact reasoning was behind it. The amount of unfounded criticism directed at Cortese was ridiculous. Considering the ban was enforced around the same time as the home game Liebherr was due to attend but didn't due to illness, and appeared to have been lifted shortly after ML's funeral there could well be many on here due to eat humble pie if we ever knew the facts. I won't hold my breath on either count though.

 

Ane the same thing happened with other CEOs but for some reason it is called into question if you point a finger at Cortese?

[Saint_clark]

Can anyone tell me where it has EVER been said that former Saints players were banned from the club?

[pimpin4rizeal]

i like cortese i think hes exactly what we have always needed.

hes the most important man at the club and as long as him and the liebherrs are hear we always have a chance.

people comparing him to rupert lowe are stupid beyond belief.

we are keeping our first team players which we couldnt do in the premier league under lowe.

get behind him people we are better with him then without thats for sure

[sadoldgit]

I am certainly not ITK.

 

I have neve meet Cortese. I have meet a lady whose son works at SFC and doesn't have a good word to say for him.

 

I have read stuff from people I trust that worries me.

 

I think he has made a number of poor and ill-informed decisions.

 

I don't like the way that he dealt with the Pardew situation either last season or this.

 

He may not like the media but the way he has dealt with them thus far has been naive and unhelpful for SFC (and remember, it is not all about him).

 

In 10 years time we may well look back and say he was the best thing to happen to this club since Ted Bates and Lawrie McMenemy.

 

All I am saying is that was a lot of unfounded optimism around the Wilde Bunch and the same with this guy.

 

I understand that a lot of people are prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment. I still think there is some doubt.

[sadoldgit]

Can anyone tell me where it has EVER been said that former Saints players were banned from the club?

 

Go have a chat with MLT and FB and see if they are welcome.

[Thedelldays]

no one ine above getting questioned...but it is olny fair to question someone on FACT rather than what SWF says

[Thedelldays]

Go have a chat with MLT and FB and see if they are welcome.

 

when did you chat with them..?

[sadoldgit]

when did you chat with them..?

 

Yep

[sadoldgit]

no one ine above getting questioned...but it is olny fair to question someone on FACT rather than what SWF says

 

How many facts get debated on here? 90% of it is supposition.

[Saint_clark]

Go have a chat with MLT and FB and see if they are welcome.

 

I had a chat with Lucy Pinder, she said she'd run away with me and spend the next 20 years sucking my knob if I asked her. But I said no, the world needs to see your talents.

This is a FACT. I have no proof whatsoever, but you should just believe me anyway.

[Thedelldays]

if SoG is suggesting then it has NOTHING to do with football regarding one of the two..

[sadoldgit]

I had a chat with Lucy Pinder, she said she'd run away with me and spend the next 20 years sucking my knob if I asked her. But I said no, the world needs to see your talents.

This is a FACT. I have no proof whatsoever, but you should just believe me anyway.

 

In which case I hope you enjoy it!

[sadoldgit]

The double standards on here are laughable. If Lowe had been involved in the debacle over the last couple of weeks ther would have been a meltdown, but because it is Cortese and he saved us from oblivion apparently, we have to support him 100%.

 

We are fed story that Pardew did something so bad that he had to go. Not sure what the other two did, were they holding down Fonte's missus?

 

It seems to be accepted (by those who didn't rate Pardew) that Cortese had every reason to sack Pardew (and 2 others). Even though they don't know the reason.

 

Here is another possibility. The club start with minus 10. They have a poor start. They pick up, win a cup and have a great run which takes then one place off the play offs. Everything is set for a push for promotion the next season but the CEO hs the hump because he spent £3m and wanted promotion this season (despite a 5 year plan). He gets the ar*e with the manager an wants him out but can't sack him because club legends get behind the manager. He seethes and bides his time. Owner dies. Cortese has more power. There is a fall out between Reed and the Manager who wants to bring in his own players and is fed up with having to run everything through a 4 man committee. Cortese uses it as a reason to sack the manager and 2 of his coaches (it looks better that way). Smokescreens are set up about Pardew and another player's wife and a brawl to make CEO look like he has done the right thing.

 

Maybe complete bull but just as possible as anything else "out there."

[Thedelldays]

sog...you are equally guilty of showing double standards

[sadoldgit]

sog...you are equally guilty of showing double standards

 

Really? I don't think it is too much to expect Mr Cortese to get the same treatment that Lowe, Wilde and Crouch did. If what I hear about Mr Cortese is true (and go and read Up and Aways account of his behaviour) then we need to be worried and asking the same questions that were asked of the others.

[Thedelldays]

Really? I don't think it is too much to expect Mr Cortese to get the same treatment that Lowe, Wilde and Crouch did. If what I hear about Mr Cortese is true (and go and read Up and Aways account of his behaviour) then we need to be worried and asking the same questions that were asked of the others.

 

did you expect lowe to be treated the same as ted bates....did you expect jan portvliet to be treated the same as lawrie mac..? or arry (after leaving) to be treated the same as WGS...?

[sadoldgit]

If there had been an Internet forum in the 60s and 70s I am sure that they would have been given the treatment. McMemeny certainly after relegation and taking 3 years to get us back up.

[Thedelldays]

If there had been an Internet forum in the 60s and 70s I am sure that they would have been given the treatment. McMemeny certainly after relegation and taking 3 years to get us back up.

 

so..you now think jan portvliet should be talked about/treated the same as lawrie mac..?

 

would you welcome kenwyne jones back as much as you would MLT..?

[sadoldgit]

so..you now think jan portvliet should be talked about/treated the same as lawrie mac..?

 

would you welcome kenwyne jones back as much as you would MLT..?

 

I did not say that did I?

 

As for Jones, he Baird and Bale were a big loss to the club when they left. You are being plain silly about MLT.

 

Don't you agree that McMemeny would have taken a slagging in the 70s for those 3 years in the 2nd division? We dont even give managers 3 games now let alone 3 seasons.

[Thedelldays]

I did not say that did I?

 

As for Jones, he Baird and Bale were a big loss to the club when they left. You are being plain silly about MLT.

 

Don't you agree that McMemeny would have taken a slagging in the 70s for those 3 years in the 2nd division? We dont even give managers 3 games now let alone 3 seasons.

 

 

no I am not being silly..you are suggesting that we should treat NC the same as the bloke that (did well to start with) but ultimately nearly helped (in a massive way) to destroy this club with two relegations and admin (not 100% his doing)...

 

then you say it is silly to compare past players..

 

so, no double standards then..you only want "same treatment" when it suits you..eh..?

 

oh...funny how you are demonstrating loyalty with Lawrie mac saying he has 3 seasons etc..but you are ALREADY saying NC has a personality disorder etc after 14 months or so...

 

yep, no double standards from you AT ALL

[sadoldgit]

So it was all down to Lowe? Not Redknapp, not Couch, not Wilde? It was ALL down to one man?

 

Okay we are not going to get anywhere with this. If I am wrong about Cortese, that he isn't a nut job and will deliver..I can live with that. But how will you feel if the craziness that we have seen already continues? Do you thing that will be good for SFC? As much as you hated Lowe, I don't see any difference (other than Lowe didn't sack managers who were successful for us). Let's see how it all pans out. Me, I think we have a problem here.

[sadoldgit]

And if what U & A says is true, yes I do think the bloke has a problem. Given his decsions and behaviour so far, it is not looking great.

[Thedelldays]

And if what U & A says is true, yes I do think the bloke has a problem. Given his decsions and behaviour so far, it is not looking great.

 

but when fitz fella reported (as did other) he saw burley pished out of his brain etc..you would not believe HE had a drinking problem...nope, no double standards with you AT ALL

[Joensuu]

Think the answer SOG is to be consistent. Treat each manager or chairman neutrally, and only change your opinion based on what you see happening.

 

Lowe used club funds to artificially hike the share price in 2003 (wonder if any people in the city managed to make a killing?). He also appointed some dubious managers. However I disagree with some on here, I still think his largely prudent approach to wages and fees was the only sensible thing he could have done. He certainly didn't deserve flack until he had made definately mistakes (which for me were all after 2003).

 

Cortese has IMO so far not made any cruicial errors. He has not been top notch in communications, but has a very good reason for it. He has made one or two dubious decisions, but has shown that he is willing to correct himself where he was obviously wrong (ie photographers). To direct flack at him already would be crazy. He's not had 11 years or so like Rupert had, and he's definately showing determination to progress the club.

 

Right now, supporting Cortese is the only logical choice, anyone set to target him is IMO attempting to undermine the club.

 

So, given that he's only had less than 15 months, and that there are obvious signs of significant progress under his stewardship, and that all of the negative reports are without evidence, I think it's only fair that we treat Cortese with more respect than we reserve for the discredited Lowe.

[sadoldgit]

but when fitz fella reported (as did other) he saw burley pished out of his brain etc..you would not believe HE had a drinking problem...nope, no double standards with you AT ALL

 

I suspect many of us on here have been seen out drunk, does that mean we are alcholics? Nothing ever came out about drinking probelms (apart from with his players) when he managed Scotland. His mate Alan Brazil (who likes a drink or three)said he is "not a big drinker." He ran the London Marathon in the Spring. Do you think an alchy could do that?

 

So you add up information and you make a judgement. So no I don't believe that Burely had a drinking problem. That is not to say that he didn't get drunk.

[sadoldgit]

Think the answer SOG is to be consistent. Treat each manager or chairman neutrally, and only change your opinion based on what you see happening.

 

Lowe used club funds to artificially hike the share price in 2003 (wonder if any people in the city managed to make a killing?). He also appointed some dubious managers. However I disagree with some on here, I still think his largely prudent approach to wages and fees was the only sensible thing he could have done. He certainly didn't deserve flack until he had made definately mistakes (which for me were all after 2003).

 

Cortese has IMO so far not made any cruicial errors. He has not been top notch in communications, but has a very good reason for it. He has made one or two dubious decisions, but has shown that he is willing to correct himself where he was obviously wrong (ie photographers). To direct flack at him already would be crazy. He's not had 11 years or so like Rupert had, and he's definately showing determination to progress the club.

 

Right now, supporting Cortese is the only logical choice, anyone set to target him is IMO attempting to undermine the club.

 

So, given that he's only had less than 15 months, and that there are obvious signs of significant progress under his stewardship, and that all of the negative reports are without evidence, I think it's only fair that we treat Cortese with more respect than we reserve for the discredited Lowe.

 

I was neutral about Cortses at the start. As things progressed I becma emore woried about him as he didn't seem to be behind the manager. The last few weeks I have been very concerned about his decisions. No one is bigger than the club and if his actions are harming the club then it is not unreasonable to voice concerns.

 

Of course if we get a decent manager and things settle down after the recent debacles, no problem.

[JackFrost]

I suspect many of us on here have been seen out drunk, does that mean we are alcholics? Nothing ever came out about drinking probelms (apart from with his players) when he managed Scotland. His mate Alan Brazil (who likes a drink or three)said he is "not a big drinker." He ran the London Marathon in the Spring. Do you think an alchy could do that?

 

So you add up information and you make a judgement. So no I don't believe that Burely had a drinking problem. That is not to say that he didn't get drunk.

 

No one knows for sure of course but the drinking rumours regarding Burley were around before he was here

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/derby-ask-burley-to-come-clean-over-reason-for-leaving-493364.html

[sadoldgit]

No one knows for sure of course but the drinking rumours regarding Burley were around before he was here

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/derby-ask-burley-to-come-clean-over-reason-for-leaving-493364.html

 

So no proof. Has there been any proof about Pardew and players wives? Surely if he was a "drunk" they would have had a field day wen he was managing Scotland?

 

It is probably fair to say he drank less than Claus.

[Saint George]

There's something rotten to the core at this Club....and ts not Cortese and it wasn't Lowe.....Nope......I can't think of a more miserable bunch of losers than 'Saints fans'....What the hell happened to y'all?....did someone put something in the water over there?

[revolution saint]

Has Cortese actually revoked the ban on photographers?

[revolution saint]

There's something rotten to the core at this Club....and ts not Cortese and it wasn't Lowe.....Nope......I can't think of a more miserable bunch of losers than 'Saints fans'....What the hell happened to y'all?....did someone put something in the water over there?

 

To be fair we're still suffering the hangover since you left. What a couple of years celebration that was.

[Thedelldays]

Has Cortese actually revoked the ban on photographers?

 

seems that way...some think that the ban was in place to protect the liebherrs...now the funeral etc has happend..they are allowed back in...

 

who knows

[alpine_saint]

So no proof. Has there been any proof about Pardew and players wives? Surely if he was a "drunk" they would have had a field day wen he was managing Scotland?

 

It is probably fair to say he drank less than Claus.

 

What is it you are trying to achieve ? Are you just going to go on and on and on until the all of the following is agreed to by everyone who disputed them in the past :

 

Pearson was sh*t

Burley was good and wasnt a drunk

Lowe was a misunderstood hero

Cortese is the biggest pr*ck in the universe

Pardew under no circumstances deserved dismissal (even though you are not in posession of the facts)

 

?????????

 

Christ, even I am not as stubborn and dogmatic as you.

[buctootim]

There's something rotten to the core at this Club....and ts not Cortese and it wasn't Lowe.....Nope......I can't think of a more miserable bunch of losers than 'Saints fans'....What the hell happened to y'all?....did someone put something in the water over there?

 

Theres a lot of truth in that unfortunately. For whatever reason a lot have developed a putrid cycnicism and negativity. If they dont enjoy it anymore - then stop - its not difficult.

[revolution saint]

seems that way...some think that the ban was in place to protect the liebherrs...now the funeral etc has happend..they are allowed back in...

 

who knows

 

Well that could be true I suppose but in the recent fans interview thing he did it seemed as though it was actually still in place. Surely though if it was anything to do with Markus being ill they would have had to ban all cameras?

 

Actually I think NC has a valid point but the way he went about it was totally wrong.

[sadoldgit]

What is it you are trying to achieve ? Are you just going to go on and on and on until the all of the following is agreed to by everyone who disputed them in the past :

 

Pearson was sh*t

Burley was good and wasnt a drunk

Lowe was a misunderstood hero

Cortese is the biggest pr*ck in the universe

Pardew under no circumstances deserved dismissal (even though you are not in posession of the facts)

 

?????????

 

Christ, even I am not as stubborn and dogmatic as you.

 

Ok Alps lets just clear some things up shall we?

 

Pearson was not sh*t but he only won 3 games in 13 so was hardly a hero.

Burley had the best win ratio of any manager until Pardew arrived and took us to the play offs. Hardly rubbish. There is no proof that he is an alcoholic.

Lowe was not a misunderstooh hero. He kep the club afloat on small gates at The Dell. Had some success. Had some failures. Probably didn't eat babies.

Cortese is not the biggest pr*ck in the Universe but if what Up & Away posted is true, the man needs some counselling. Has made alot of decisions ofl ate which I don't think are helpful to SFC.

I don't know if Pardew deserved the sack or not. I don't believe the stories that were put out. I do believe it was more to do with a clash of personalities. I don't think he should have been (or was) sacked for football reasons.

 

Moving on...

[St Landrew]

Back to whether Nicola Cortese and Saints are being unfairly treated. I notice Radio Solent presenter Kris Temple received an e-mail from a Saints supporter asking him to read the Saints website, as to speculation whether unyone had been offered the manager's position or not. On the website, it makes no mention of anyone being offered any position. Now, I usually give Kris Temple some respect, as he is a good and observant presenter and commentator. But when he said that the Saints website doesn't say that Bournemouth or Scvnthorpe managers weren't offered the position, I think that twists the truth, in News of the World style.

 

After all, it also doesn't say that Sir Alex Ferguson, David Moyes, etc... weren't offered the job, either.

[alpine_saint]

Ok Alps lets just clear some things up shall we?

 

Pearson was not sh*t but he only won 3 games in 13 so was hardly a hero.

Burley had the best win ratio of any manager until Pardew arrived and took us to the play offs. Hardly rubbish. There is no proof that he is an alcoholic.

Lowe was not a misunderstooh hero. He kep the club afloat on small gates at The Dell. Had some success. Had some failures. Probably didn't eat babies.

Cortese is not the biggest pr*ck in the Universe but if what Up & Away posted is true, the man needs some counselling. Has made alot of decisions ofl ate which I don't think are helpful to SFC.

I don't know if Pardew deserved the sack or not. I don't believe the stories that were put out. I do believe it was more to do with a clash of personalities. I don't think he should have been (or was) sacked for football reasons.

 

Moving on...

 

Not moving on...

 

Some of these ridiculous assertions deserve being challenged.

 

Pearson was not sh*t but he only won 3 games in 13 so was hardly a hero.

 

Yes he was. Not a single manager in the history of our club has been given less time, less resources, or a less motivated team to rescue from relegation than Pearson. He got Lucketti and Perry in for nowt and eeked out the results needed. He is a hero.

 

Burley had the best win ratio of any manager until Pardew arrived and took us to the play offs. Hardly rubbish. There is no proof that he is an alcoholic.

 

Who gives a sh*t about the win ratio ? He was employed to return us to the PL, and was given the biggest budget of any of our managers in the club history. He failed dismally. He made bizarre decisions like freezing out our top-scorer mid-season (how would you feel if the new guy did that to Lambert ?). His formations and tactics were bizarre and as easily out -thought as Pardews (Exhibit A: Billy Davies made one change at the Derby home match in the play-off season and turned the match completely round and Burley was totally unable or unwilling to respond) I could not....care....less if you want to describe him as a heavy drinker or an alkie, bottom line is a decent Chairman would have fired him for the post-match interview against Colchester on Sky where he was so completely blotted he was (incorrectly) arguing the facts with the interviewer

 

Lowe was not a misunderstooh hero. He kep the club afloat on small gates at The Dell. Had some success. Had some failures. Probably didn't eat babies.

 

Not even bothering. Your position on him is totally untenable.

 

Cortese is not the biggest pr*ck in the Universe but if what Up & Away posted is true, the man needs some counselling. Has made alot of decisions ofl ate which I don't think are helpful to SFC.

 

He has not made one catastrophic decision. If there would have been still time for Pardew to turn this season round, as many on here argue, the same goes for a new manager. If Cortese had decided that he couldnt work with the man anymore because of his attitude, its his call. The rest about the parking, booking fee, installment plan (returning next year after a one-year hiatus because of pikeys defaulting) is chickensh*t.

 

I don't know if Pardew deserved the sack or not. I don't believe the stories that were put out. I do believe it was more to do with a clash of personalities. I don't think he should have been (or was) sacked for football reasons.

 

I dont beleive them either, but the closest we will get to the truth is that the two couldnt work together anymore, and NC is the boss. If Pardew was continually ignoring instruction from his boss, he deserved to go. I think the trigger may not have been a football reason, but the build up was footballing reasons and insubordination.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

There's something rotten to the core at this Club....and ts not Cortese and it wasn't Lowe.....Nope......I can't think of a more miserable bunch of losers than 'Saints fans'....What the hell happened to y'all?....did someone put something in the water over there?

 

This is a very insightful post.

 

I blame idiotic customers the the demise of Woolworths

I blame the poor bloody infantry for the failure of the Somme offensive

I blame our children for the state of the country

I blame democracy for the rise of dictatorship

I blame the Police for every crime

I blame the trade union movement for the spread of rust on by old MK3 Cortina

I blame the Church of England for all human evil

I blame Nigel Mansell for mustaches

I blame myself for the stream of crap decisions the senior management of SFC continue to produce ........

 

This all seems perfectly fair to me.

[alpine_saint]

This is a very insightful post.

 

I blame idiotic customers the the demise of Woolworths

I blame the poor bloody infantry for the failure of the Somme offensive

I blame our children for the state of the country

I blame democracy for the rise of dictatorship

I Blame the Police for every crime

I blame the trade union movement for the spread of rust on by old MK3 Cortina

I blame the Church of England for all human evil

I blame Nigel Mansell for mustaches

I blame myself for the stream of crap decisions the senior management of SFC continue to produce ........

 

This all seems perfectly fair to me.

 

[Deppo]

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

 

With respect, you are a massive hypocrite. You have been guilty of the same kind of attitude an practices as NC when it comes to this site. Is that why you hate him, because he reminds you of the worse things about yourself?

[alpine_saint]

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

 

Yes.

[alpine_saint]

With respect, you are a massive hypocrite. You have been guilty of the same kind of attitude an practices as NC when it comes to this site. Is that why you hate him, because he reminds you of the worse things about yourself?

 

You, sir, are bonkers