Cortese Is Being Unfairly Treated

[dune]

Wow, what a ****. Looking for a fight is really, really pathetic and common.

 

Not really. You've got to respect him for it tbf, and I was wrong for bringing up old **** to win a poxy argument. I have sent him an apology.

[alpine_saint]

Since when have you given up on him? since this morning because today was a royal eff up and you blame Cortese despite all the evidence pointing the other way?

 

He is going about replacing the manager in a really bizarre manner.

 

What is wrong in identifying the manager most likely to deliver promotion and making f**king sure you secure his services ?

 

FFS, MON is sat twiddling his thumbs at the moment.

[Ian the Red]

So I take it you approve of the following then :

 

Squabbling with the local press over trivial matters

Alienating large numbers of Saints fans by arbitrarily withdrawing ST installment plans

The ridicule the club is currently receiving in the national press over this absurd photography ban.

The curious case of Nick Illingsworth's Season Ticket

Sacking a decent manager without having a replacement lined up

 

etc..etc..etc

 

When I see something going wrong at the club I love then I say so. If you and others don't like it ... well I could hardly care less frankly.

 

 

Think you have avery one sided view.

 

The Echo: poor reporting very bias against Saints and broke infomration against the Club wishes

Season tickets: The club is a business why should the Club support effectively an interest free loan? The season ticket provides huge discounts over the season why should a season ticket be more subsidized?

Photograghs: Why should the press take free photographs of our players? The players belong to the Club, they are a marketable asset and therefore the Club should try to maximise the earning potential.

Nick Illingworth: no comment

Sacking AP: the fact that there was not an immediate appointment clearly shows that this was a responce to something major over the weekend or just before. It has been reported that it was for non football related matter, unplanned but obviously necessary.

 

Give NC a chance, he will deliver

[Goalie66]

Whether Cortese is a chump or not over this manager change really depends on the reason for the sacking of Pardew and his coaches. If there was good reason other than performance, Cortese may have had little control over the action and the timing, but the Club Statement implied performance so its not surprising that the 'chump' charge is sticking. The Club could dispell that by clarifying the reasons, which could be done without breeching any confidence.

 

A very good point reinforced by comments from Davies that all Managers can never keep all players happy all the time. In most clubs the only reason for sacking the manager is results. The timing of sacking Pardew was awful so early in the season. Many have posted on here that it should have been done last season, if at all and not three games in. The Photographer ban at St Mary's has not endeared the Press to us and now we are reaping every opportunity for the Media to show bias against Cortese. Whether he is right or wrong in his dealings he appears to be out of his depth and that perception will only magnify unless he sorts out this mess shortly.

[SaintRichmond]

He is going about replacing the manager in a really bizarre manner.

 

What is wrong in identifying the manager most likely to deliver promotion and making f**king sure you secure his services ?

 

FFS, MON is sat twiddling his thumbs at the moment.

 

 

Get real FFs

 

You really think that O'Neil wants a job in the Third Division ???

[homesick-saint]

And so was I. Sorry everyone including docker-p.

 

nice one!

[dune]

He is going about replacing the manager in a really bizarre manner.

 

What is wrong in identifying the manager most likely to deliver promotion and making f**king sure you secure his services ?

 

FFS, MON is sat twiddling his thumbs at the moment.

 

Alps we all know you're a diehard fan like the rest of us saddos that spet far too much time on here, but come on mate. If we get Nigel tomorrow or next week it's job done. You've always trusted Cortese up to now and not criticised him on issues that are wrong for us, the fans, but for you to turn against him over this nothig non event is really silly mate.

[sadoldgit]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Because it would show him in a bad light. He got rid of Pardew because there was a clash of personalities, not for footballing reasons - and now he is trying to replace him with lesser managers.

[Ian the Red]

He is going about replacing the manager in a really bizarre manner.

 

What is wrong in identifying the manager most likely to deliver promotion and making f**king sure you secure his services ?

 

FFS, MON is sat twiddling his thumbs at the moment.

 

Come on Alpine, always thought you were NC man? It is clesr from what Adkins says in his press conference that the SFC view of things is probably more correct than the Scunny Chairman's view. As said somewhere else all the leaks have come from Scunny and Bournemouth, SFC has conducted all meeting in private and has keep everything just so. What is wrong with that? NC has to get this right and so should take his time. And yes MoN would be the manager of my choice as well!

[Ian the Red]

Because it would show him in a bad light. He got rid of Pardew because there was a clash of personalities, not for footballing reasons - and now he is trying to replace him with lesser managers.

 

How wrong. No one will probabaly know why as there will NDA, probably more to protect AP than NC.

[dubsaint]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

your dead right, its time to all pull in the same direction, Cortese has no other agenda than to bring this club forward, lets all cope on and get behind him.

[Viking Warrior]

Its about time some of you young sprogs expererince the voice of the masters

The older generaion do understand the wider implictions of mangement etc so stop abusing your seniors such as derry

as for youalpine some times yu come acroos as a decent bloke but the majority of the time you are a complete c**t

while c**ts are useful your not more of an aresole

 

PS i have had a few pints because Im frustrated with my beloved club and fellow fans

[dune]

your dead right, its time to all pull in the same direction, Cortese has no other agenda than to bring this club forward, lets all cope on and get behind him.

 

Yeah. I think it's now time to pull together and show the team and the new manager just how great our fanbase is. And it is a great fanbase as can be witnessed by our home and away support. Look at our noddy cup attendances and the fans we take to undesirable norhern games, and the FACT that during our prem days we had the most st holders travelling to st marys from outside a 50 mile catchment zone. We are a big club and that is a fact.

[Viking Warrior]

PS Alpine if you didnt post so frequnet negativity I would ignore you. but sadlydespite you being on my ignore list I still read your post due to some other posters cutting and posting your

posts

[Saint_clark]

Personally I think we've got completely the wrong impression of Cortese. All the negativity is coming from the media and the fans - you hear people in the game talk about us and they have nothing but praise for the way things are being run.

Yes, he will make a few mistakes - the photographers ban, no instalment plans etc. but he is new to this. He will learn.

From now on i'm going to get fully behind him.

[Saint Charlie]

Its easy to knock NC. Its harder to see that perhaps he might be doing whats right for his business, which believe it or not, he wants to succeed.

[Viking Warrior]

Im in real dangerof getting an infraction but lighten up alpine and stop being negative heres to a win on saturady under the tenure shipof wilkins

 

Nc and co I trust and sir Rickie of lambert get a grip please

[dubai_phil]

At the end of a weird and very long day.

 

I actually agree with JlT's OP. On this issue I really cannot see where NC has made any mistakes. He is not a football man and he decided to do something different - interview more than one candidate. Anyone over the mental age of 18 cannot possibly see that as a fault, in fact I see it as wise, something to date I am not convinced NC has shown.

 

The more I have thought it through, I am seeing one simple thing emerge. NC is appearing to be consistent. I've said it before, I realy don't care if he is a complete c*ck (Top Gear expression) and a BMW driver, BUT he is our c*ck and he IS consistent.

 

Whatever happens in the next 24 hours, I don't believe that NC will have any egg stick to his face, a lot of other people will (including me and most of the other regulars on here)

 

He told us it will be on the OS first. You know what? It bloody well will. We just didn't believe it.

 

Onwards, upwards and time to stop the cr@p and get fully behind the whole SMS team.

 

(And respect to Dune for putting something similar despite his own reservations elsewhere earlier today)

[dune]

Its easy to knock NC. Its harder to see that perhaps he might be doing whats right for his business, which believe it or not, he wants to succeed.

 

Nobody can doubt that no matter how mosguided a given decision is that he makes, he is without any shadow doubt doing what he thinks is best for the club. I just wish he'd care a bit more for fans and realise that going to games is bloody expensive and try to help us all ot a bit with cheape tickets,

[Jeff Le Taxi]

What a difference a day makes, once a little more information is revealed and after last nights get together with the season ticket holders Mr Cortese is now shown in a true light, just a little more transparency Mr Cortese and you will be appreciated for what you are and what you do for this club!

[Ian the Red]

Everyone should read through this thread

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25114-Cortese-Questions

 

or go to this:

 

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=479&fid=224&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120208945

 

No doubt that NC is being wrongly bashed by many on this forum!!

Edited 10 September, 2010 by Ian the Red

[Cestrian Saint]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

 

based on?

[buctootim]

Based on nothing at all. He posts it most threads.

[Ian the Red]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

 

Delighted to read that you have given this post so much thought and careful consideration!

[Colinjb]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

 

Nicola Cortese is ruthlessly professional.

Rupert Lowe was ruthlessly eccentric.

 

They are both businessmen but the subtle differences mean the world. There are sensible and well reasoned meanings behind Cortese's actions, just he is far too dignified to be spouting off. He is not the problem, it is our inability as fans to think things through rationally and logically that is.

Edited 10 September, 2010 by Colinjb

[Mr X]

]OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then?[/b] If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

because he fears the fans are illiterate? (tongue in cheek}

[alpine_saint]

Deeply confused today, will reserve judgement on NC until I see who he appoints as manager and how that works out until Xmas.

[Topcat]

Why Cortese is being treated fairly.

1. He has upset the media with his photography ban.

2. Upset some ST holders over his failure to adequately explain the end of installments.

3. Slighted the head of a supporters body with the petty refusal of a ST.

4. Insulted a lot of Saints heroes through some very stupid and petty actions. There is hardly any former Saints players/Managers with a good word to say about Cortese. In this matter he is worse than Lowe.

5. Is developing a reputation that is so bad that the Bournemouth Mgr turns down a job offer and fellow Chairmen regard him as a joke.

6. Put the happiness of Les Reed's empire ahead of the performance of the First Team.

[John Smith]

Why Cortese is being treated fairly.

1. He has upset the media with his photography ban.

2. Upset some ST holders over his failure to adequately explain the end of installments.

3. Slighted the head of a supporters body with the petty refusal of a ST.

4. Insulted a lot of Saints heroes through some very stupid and petty actions. There is hardly any former Saints players/Managers with a good word to say about Cortese. In this matter he is worse than Lowe.

5. Is developing a reputation that is so bad that the Bournemouth Mgr turns down a job offer and fellow Chairmen regard him as a joke.

6. Put the happiness of Les Reed's empire ahead of the performance of the First Team.

 

And this is why therenis a split in the fanbase;

 

1. didn;t bother me

2. didn't bother me

3. didn't bother me

4. matter of opinion, and didn't bother me

5. based on what the bournemouth chairman says and, didn't bother me

6. In your opinion and didn't bother me as I believe this was not the reason foir getting rid of Pardew, which, yep, you guessed it, didn't bother me.

[sadoldgit]

I would have more respect for the man if he just came right out and told the truth. If he said I can't work with Pardew at least you know where you are. All this I had no choice nonsense, yes Nicola, you did have a choice and you chose to sack him!

[Topcat]

6. Put the happiness of Les Reed's empire ahead of the performance of the First Team.

6. In your opinion and didn't bother me as I believe this was not the reason foir getting rid of Pardew, which, yep, you guessed it, didn't bother me.

 

Not my opinion, this is what the Press release from Cortese said.

the Club has decided that, to achieve its well known targets, it is essential to make changes to the First Team management and coaching. These targets for sustained and significant progress embrace both the First Team and the Football Development & Support Centre as integrated, co-operative units.

The Football Dev & Suppt Centre is Les Reed's department.

[buctootim]

So you think the first team shouldnt work as an integrated co-operative unit with the sports medicine, youth team / academy players, scouting etc

Go you.

[Topcat]

So you think the first team shouldnt work as an integrated co-operative unit with the sports medicine, youth team / academy players, scouting etc

Go you.

 

I think that the needs of the First Team should be supported by "the sports medicine, youth team / academy players, scouting etc " The First Team should come First. It is why it is called the First Team.

[CanadaSaint]

I buy into Cortese's vision and that includes the structure he has set in place to achieve it. I'm not 100% convinced by any means but I certainly think he's on the right track.

 

However, I don't think he's been unfairly treated - other than by a few anti-Cortese zealots.

 

He has brought a lot of the frustration and criticism on himself with p*ss poor communication, and I'd fault him all the more for that because he is capable of doing it extremely well - as the invited fan session demonstrated.

 

The silence comes across as arrogance and contempt, and that perception is - if anything - magnified by statements that are obviously prepared by a PR firm or a lawyer.

 

I'm not asking him to breach confidentiality or divulge information that is best kept confidential, and I rather like him holding his own counsel instead of yapping all the time.

 

I'm just asking him to talk to his club's fans like a human being more often - especially when he makes decisions that significantly impact them.

 

And if he doesn't want to do it through the media, he should do it through the OS.

 

Until he does, the sh*t will continue to fly.

[Toadhall Saint]

Because it would show him in a bad light. He got rid of Pardew because there was a clash of personalities, not for footballing reasons - and now he is trying to replace him with lesser managers.

 

Feck me SOG you wouldn't last 5 mins in a court of law - evidence and proof please.

[Toadhall Saint]

Cortese is a *****. Just a reincarnation of Rupert Lowe. He'll ruin this club and is well on the way to doing so.

 

WTF - we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

Exactly this! would he rather have Peter Storyteller running things?

[The9]

WTF - we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese.

 

Well, we assume that. Even so, what's left needs to be worth having, and a lot of people suddenly aren't getting anything near the organisational competence they had hoped for without having to swallow a bunch of unpalatable decisions which aren't necessarily to the club's benefit in the longer term.

 

I'm realistic, Play-Offs or better should be a reasonable expectation this season, but booting out a manager for unclear reasons and faffing about as we lose all direction in his absence whilst floundering in Division 3 isn't quite the vision we were sold.

[stevegrant]

WTF - we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese.

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

[saint_mears]

WTF - we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese.

 

That was the case over one year ago and was then history.

[trousers]

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

 

I don't think it should be used as a "catch all defence" but, by the same token, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand everytime it is given in defence either. It works both ways.

[brmbrm]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

FFS? This is the manger who can deliver us to the Premiership in 3 and 3/4 years. This is the manger who can deliver that when Pardew couldn't. And you reckon that success isn't worht £125,000 per year?

 

Jeez. this is a toal c0kc up. Even if you think it is 2good business2 for the sake a a few hundred,000, the bad publicity is a disaster. Can you imagine top premiership clubs wanting to loan their young kids to a place like this? Definielty not - from the outside it looks like a bloody shambles. Whether it is or not isn't the point really, its what the image is.

[brmbrm]

WTF - we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese.

 

Maybe my memory is bad, but i didn't think it was Cortese's money. Wasn't he just the hire?

[Topcat]

FFS? This is the manger who can deliver us to the Premiership in 3 and 3/4 years. This is the manger who can deliver that when Pardew couldn't. And you reckon that success isn't worht £125,000 per year?

 

Jeez. this is a toal c0kc up. Even if you think it is 2good business2 for the sake a a few hundred,000, the bad publicity is a disaster. Can you imagine top premiership clubs wanting to loan their young kids to a place like this? Definielty not - from the outside it looks like a bloody shambles. Whether it is or not isn't the point really, its what the image is.

 

Agreed, Cortese is arguing over peanuts for someone to administer millions. Each day of delay loses out on another group of loans who go elsewhere. Meanwhile Cortese has turned our image into an administrative shambles and Prem Clubs just will not loan valuable youngsters here.

[aintforever]

I don't think it should be used as a "catch all defence" but, by the same token, it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand everytime it is given in defence either. It works both ways.

 

On the same note you can't really say "we wouldn't have a club if it weren't for Cortese" as if it were a fact. It is very likely that someone else would have bought the club if Liebherr had not.

 

Plenty of clubs have gone into admin and none of any size have gone out of business. As Marcus said, he got a very good deal; Englands 15th biggest club, a £30mill stadium, a decent training ground + land and property - for how much?

 

I'm grateful Cortese and Liebherr bought us but be realistic.

[The9]

It is very likely that someone else would have bought the club if Liebherr had not.

 

Um, now I'm no fan of Cortese, and I don't think the "he saved us" defence makes him immune from criticism ad infinitum, but some people REALLY have short memories. Due to the Pinnacle delay we were REALLY short of time from the Administrator's announcements when Liebherr came in at Cortese's suggestion, and if Fry had stuck his guns and timeframe we'd have been done and dusted with the creditors arguing over the split of the proceeds of an auction of Saints-branded ceiling tiles and corner flags.

 

As I said, it doesn't stop me thinking some of his decisions have been short-sighted and pointlessly confrontational.

[Professor]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

Although this is an interesting and entertaining thread, the statement that started it is simply wrong, and can't go unchallenged. Wharton the Scunny chairman is entitled to ask for the maximum compensation that he can get. He is also entitled to make it as hard as possible for Adkins to walk out on his contract, and in fact Adkins doesn't want to do that, instead he wants to leave on good terms. It is not 'ransom' to fight your corner and negotiate for the best deal you can get. If SFC don't want Adkins badly enough to pay the price, Scunny get to keep a manager who they respect and don't want to lose. And, BTW, there are reports that the compensation could be as little as £50K and is unlikely to be more than the £100K that was paid by Sheff Wed for Brian Laws in 2006.

 

Its hard to believe that this sort of money would have frightened Cortese off and sent him after Howe instead but it seems it did.

Edited 10 September, 2010 by Professor

[shurlock]

Is this going to be the catch-all defence whenever anybody raises a question about a decision made by our Dear Leader?

 

Alternatively are there any suitors willing to invest as much or have the same ambitions as Cortese? Hardly. So you have to factor that in.

 

The problem is that people like to make massive traumatic everests out of piddling little molehills. Questions aren't only asked but dark ulterior motives have to be found (Dear Leader- give it a break). Questions are fine but not where they lack proportionality or perspective? Some of the allegations and references that have been made over the months have been truly disgusting.

[John Smith]

Well, I just think calling Nc a ******, comparing to Rupert Lowe and claiming he has already 'ruined' this club, is more 'catch all' than what Toadhall has stated. In fact, if you break down both 'catch all' statements, Cestrian saints statment is probably a bit further off the facts than Toadhalls. I mean, you'd have to be totally anti Cotese to remark on Toahall's statement, which, although may not be absolutely acurate, it is feasible, whereas, you fail to comment on Cestrian 'saints' comments about NC being a ******, in the mould of Rupoert AND that he HAS ruinbed this club ALREADY. wow, I'm astonished at you steve.