Cortese Is Being Unfairly Treated

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It gives me no pleasure to say this but it seems to me that the administration of this club has been appalling of late, and as the man chiefly responsible Nicola Cortese deserves all the flak he's getting.

 

Football is slowly moving towards becoming a truly professional game now. Players spend years in the academy before they play for the 1st team, managers & coaches have recognized qualifications in their chosen career - even support staff such as groundsmen & physios are trained professionals. The great exception to this tide of professionalism in the game is (ironically) the most important position of all - the Chairman. A successful career in Swiss merchant banking is not really an ideal preparation for managing a British football club, nor is a reputation for secrecy or a disinclination to work within a traditional boardroom structure particularly beneficial. The harsh truth is that we have a novice chairman who's reach obviously far exceeds his grasp.

 

We have much to thank Nicola Cortese for, without him who knows what would have become of this club ? But does that mean he should be immune from all criticism ? I think not.

 

One can only hope that Mr Cortese curbs his apparent dictatorial tenancies and learns how to run a British Football Club in the fit & properly way before too long. In the meantime while he learns this unique business, the damage being done to this grand old club's reputation pains this fan more than he can say.

[derry]

When Southampton are reported in the press it is best ignored because the one sure thing at the present time is that Saints aren't talking to anyone. Therefore from our end all negotiations are remaining private. If Southampton talked to Bournemouth about Howe the news came out of Bournemouth. What is surprising about Saints talking to other candidates it's what they said in their statement on the OS.

[derry]

It gives me no pleasure to say this but it seems to me that the administration of this club has been appalling of late, and as the man chiefly responsible Nicola Cortese deserves all the flak he's getting.

 

Football is slowly moving towards becoming a truly professional game now. Players spend years in the academy before they play for the 1st team, managers & coaches have recognized qualifications in their chosen career - even support staff such as groundsmen & physios are trained professionals. The great exception to this tide of professionalism in the game is (ironically) the most important position of all - the Chairman. A successful career in Swiss merchant banking is not really an ideal preparation for managing a British football club, nor is a reputation for secrecy or a disinclination to work within a traditional boardroom structure particularly beneficial. The harsh truth is that we have a novice chairman who's reach obviously far exceeds his grasp.

 

We have much to thank Nicola Cortese for, without him who knows what would have become of this club ? But does that mean he should be immune from all criticism ? I think not.

 

One can only hope that Mr Cortese curbs his apparent dictatorial tenancies and learns how to run a British Football Club in the fit & properly way before too long. In the meantime while he learns this unique business, the damage being done to this grand old club's reputation pains this fan more than he can say.

 

My God what a genius. Get in Peter Storrie, now he is a real football man. Get real, we have a chairman acting in a private, professional manner not commenting on the speculation, spin, trouble making and wishful thinking of club's he is trying to negotiate with.

[Norm]

When Southampton are reported in the press it is best ignored because the one sure thing at the present time is that Saints aren't talking to anyone. Therefore from our end all negotiations are remaining private. If Southampton talked to Bournemouth about Howe the news came out of Bournemouth. What is surprising about Saints talking to other candidates it's what they said in their statement on the OS.

 

Derry, I respect you as a poster but how on earth can you be so positive on Saints position in this farce? None of us know what is going on and to blame one side is, in my view, wrong. My one source at the club informed me that we were unhappy at the compensation asked. I have no idea if this is 100% true but I really don't think we have been blameless in this saga.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

My God what a genius. Get in Peter Storrie, now he is a real football man. Get real, we have a chairman acting in a private, professional manner not commenting on the speculation, spin, trouble making and wishful thinking of club's he is trying to negotiate with.

 

So I take it you approve of the following then :

 

Squabbling with the local press over trivial matters

Alienating large numbers of Saints fans by arbitrarily withdrawing ST installment plans

The ridicule the club is currently receiving in the national press over this absurd photography ban.

The curious case of Nick Illingsworth's Season Ticket

Sacking a decent manager without having a replacement lined up

 

etc..etc..etc

 

When I see something going wrong at the club I love then I say so. If you and others don't like it ... well I could hardly care less frankly.

[Turkish]

So I take it you approve of the following then :

 

Squabbling with the local press over trivial matters

Alienating large numbers of Saints fans by arbitrarily withdrawing ST installment plans

The ridicule the club is currently receiving in the national press over this absurd photography ban.

The curious case of Nick Illingsworth's Season Ticket

Sacking a decent manager without having a replacement lined up

 

etc..etc..etc

 

When I see something going wrong at the club I love then I say so. If you and others don't like it ... well I could hardly care less frankly.

 

Spot on. What i find ridiculous is a lot of people seem scared to critise incase he 'pulls the plug' on us. Like he is just going to walk away. Like any business, they need to keep the customers happy and quite frankly, since the end of last season, he hasn't.

[derry]

Derry, I respect you as a poster but how on earth can you be so positive on Saints position in this farce? None of us know what is going on and to blame one side is, in my view, wrong. My one source at the club informed me that we were unhappy at the compensation asked. I have no idea if this is 100% true but I really don't think we have been blameless in this saga.

 

Look at it this way Norm. Saints may be disappointed but Cortese would never go public and say it. He is intensely private which in my view is important. All the leaks are coming out of the other clubs because they have a culture of cosying up to the media.

[buctootim]

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[derry]

Conjecture on BBC Humberside is that the requested compensation figure is fifty to sixty thousand pounds. I think that they are miles away from that figure otherwise we would have snatched their hands off.

[docker-p]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

No he's not; and naive posters like you need to remember Cortese is on Corteses side. All i care about and all I've ever cared about is what is best for Southampton FC; and yet again what is best for Southampton FC is not what NC has done.

If you want to support NC go ahead. I'll support Southampton FC.

[up and away]

Derry, I respect you as a poster but how on earth can you be so positive on Saints position in this farce? None of us know what is going on and to blame one side is, in my view, wrong. My one source at the club informed me that we were unhappy at the compensation asked. I have no idea if this is 100% true but I really don't think we have been blameless in this saga.

 

As we have seen so many times before, these sources know fook all when it comes to the business end and we keep getting muppets quoting them! All we know so far is S'thorpe chairman has gone public in the negotiations that are still going on. I nor you do not know the compensation level Cortese is prepared to go to and how that can impact players coming in. We may or may not find out at the end of all this and Cortese may well have made an error of judgement, but as yet you know fook all and can't be bothered to wait and see.

[derry]

So I take it you approve of the following then :

 

Squabbling with the local press over trivial matters

Alienating large numbers of Saints fans by arbitrarily withdrawing ST installment plans

The ridicule the club is currently receiving in the national press over this absurd photography ban.

The curious case of Nick Illingsworth's Season Ticket

Sacking a decent manager without having a replacement lined up

 

etc..etc..etc

 

When I see something going wrong at the club I love then I say so. If you and others don't like it ... well I could hardly care less frankly.

 

As far as getting rid of Pardew I was sorry he didn't get rid of him last season. As for the other stuff as far as I am concerned none of it affects me. I would have preferred him to do some of it differently but he runs the club and he has to take the flak that goes with it. But my comments relate to the present situation reference the manager selection negotiations and as far as I am concerned he has been impeccable in his behaviour.

[Graffito]

The value of a manager is down to the club who is selling. Exactly the same with players unless they have an agreed release clause

 

The value of a manager is what the the 'buyer" is willing to pay for him.

[dune]

Imagine if Rupert was the Scvnthorpe chairman, we'd have been described as south coast yobbos by now.

[buctootim]

No he's not; and naive posters like you need to remember Cortese is on Corteses side. All i care about and all I've ever cared about is what is best for Southampton FC; and yet again what is best for Southampton FC is not what NC has done.

If you want to support NC go ahead. I'll support Southampton FC.

 

Says the bloke who thinks ****ing on the centenary shirt is a major startement of support.

[solentstars]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

and i believe in fairies and the s****horpe chairman .

[Norm]

As we have seen so many times before, these sources know fook all when it comes to the business end and we keep getting muppets quoting them! All we know so far is S'thorpe chairman has gone public in the negotiations that are still going on. I nor you do not know the compensation level Cortese is prepared to go to and how that can impact players coming in. We may or may not find out at the end of all this and Cortese may well have made an error of judgement, but as yet you know fook all and can't be bothered to wait and see.

 

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but as yet you know fook all. That is correct. I have not implied that I do know anything. Suggest you read my post again, I did write (you may have difficulty understanding it) None of us know what is going on

 

and can't be bothered to wait and see. I'm more than happy to wait. Not a single thing I can do to hurry NC along. At no time have I said I was impatient. Must be thinking of someone else with a different point of view to yours.

[dune]

No he's not; and naive posters like you need to remember Cortese is on Corteses side. All i care about and all I've ever cared about is what is best for Southampton FC; and yet again what is best for Southampton FC is not what NC has done.

If you want to support NC go ahead. I'll support Southampton FC.

 

I will never show an ounce of respect for your views after your mocking comment about ML's passing you. You may be a fan of SFC, but you're also a nob.

[docker-p]

CAre to meet me and say that to my face?

[Dazza82]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Sometimes when a manager leaves a club there is a clause put in place stopping either the club or parting manager saying anything bad about each other, Its called being professional something most of us arent used to by the look of it!

 

Pardew has gone, we will never find out the reason, move on i have and the club definately will.

[buctootim]

CAre to meet me and say that to my face?

 

Wow, you really are a ****.

Edited 9 September, 2010 by buctootim

[dune]

CAre to meet me and say that to my face?

 

I'll send you a pm and repeat it of you like.

[moonraker]

How relevant it is I don't know, but the Scunny Chairman was a hockey player when younger, make of it what you will!!

[docker-p]

Wow, you really are a ****.

Oh please, another internet warrior. Try the simple rule of not posting anything you wouldn't say to somebody's face you *****

[dune]

Oh please, another internet warrior. Try the simple rule of not posting anything you wouldn't say to somebody's face you *****

 

Was that your thinking before laughing at a dead man.

[buctootim]

Oh please, another internet warrior. Try the simple rule of not posting anything you wouldn't say to somebody's face you *****

 

You'd do well to follow that rule yourself, then you wouldnt look so idiotic when you try and call out people over the net.

[docker-p]

I'll send you a pm and repeat it of you like.

 

Now we really do know you are a *****. So you're saying you're going to meet me in person I'm a knob, to my face?

[John Smith]

I just can't believe the absolute cr*p I've read on here today. It is quite clear we have outsiders posting on this website, again. It is also clear that some that despise NC over this photography ban (sigh), so much, that they are hurling abuse, feeling embarassed, etc, etc. But what has he actually done? Interviewd a couple of guys for a job BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

 

Now, I am a disappointed that NC sacked AP, BUT, hang on, NONE of us no why. If it WAS down to AP, I hop all you cretins go grovelling to NC and beg forgiveness, because a lot of you have been vile. If it was NC doing it on a power trip and a whim, then I'd be disappointed in NC, but, Ap wasn't brilliant, no, I'd be disappointed because I think we may have missed an opportunity to gain some real momentum and get a real injection of charisma at the top levels of this club. Kevin Keegan or Stuart Pearce, not saying these exactly, but this club needs an adrenalin injection. BUT, that is my opinion, and I am certainly not going to blame the burning of the koran and the fllods in Pakistan on NC, as this is the kind of reaction you guys are dishing out, like NC is some sort of devil worshipping witch that controls the world for the purpose of his own personal gain.

 

get a grip people, and you non saints, do one, you're not funny and certainly not ITK. Over the next few weeks, I will certainly be trawling back over some of your posts and outing the non-itk'ers. It's been like a witch hunt on here and being a saints fan whilst the press make up lies, outsiders distabalise this club and some of our own idiotic fans, rock the boat, I'll be glad when normal service is resumed, we win a few games, get promoted at the end of the season and those that hate this club so much, p*ss off.

 

I can't believe some of you are swallowing every piece of 'journalism' every word of mouth, horses mouth, posters with friends 'inside' the club, itk'ers, have we not been here before, have you learned NOTHING??????

 

Anyway, I'm going to have my dinner now, why, because it's dinner time. And when Saints announce the new manager, I will hope he does well. And next game we play at SMS, I will be there, supporting the team, if you support the Saints, I guess this is what you'll be doing as well, that is, unless you've already eaten.

[dune]

Now we really do know you are a *****. So you're saying you're going to meet me in person I'm a knob, to my face?

 

No i'm not, because you might be bigger than me, but you're still a nob.

[docker-p]

You'd do well to follow that rule yourself, then you wouldnt look so idiotic when you try and call out people over the net.

I think the first abuse came fro you and tory boy.

[buctootim]

Now we really do know you are a *****. So you're saying you're going to meet me in person I'm a knob, to my face?

 

No i'm not, because you might be bigger than me, but you're still a nob.

 

I'm probably bigger than you, but you arent worth crossing the living room, let alone travelling down from Sussex for - so I'll go with Dune's plan too.

[docker-p]

No i'm not, because you might be bigger than me, but you're still a nob.

 

Or I might be a 15 year old girl, and then you would probably just about fancy your chances, you spineless tw8t

[dune]

I think the first abuse came fro you and tory boy.

 

OK convince me that you're not a nob and explain your comments after ML's passing.

[Stoozer]

It baffles me why so many Saints fans are so quick to judge Cortese in the negative and take anyone else's word against his. IMO he has conducted himself professionally and all this guess work to justify a distrust and/or hatred of our Chairman seems unhinged! ML trusted him with his money and his club (and it appears the family do in general). It appears he has the best interests of our club at hear and wants us to be successful - all things a club like ours needs! I wonder whether some people here will ever be happy or simply enjoy moaning.

 

NC has always had my full support, even when he appears to make errors (e.g. photography ban) and he will continue to get my support as long as his ambitions lie with our club.

 

Cut him some slack!

[Professor]

Why shouldn't S c u n thorpe ask for maximum compensation? Its not trying to do SFC down to do so, its to try to keep their manager by making it as difficult as possible for him to leave, and if does go to get the best deal for their club. Common sense, surely?

 

But S c u n thorpe will also know that if Adkins leaves without agreement having been reached, the figure will be decided by a Tribunal. That's a gamble for them, as the amount could be less than what SFC are offering. They might also have calculated that by making it clear to Adkins how much they value him, that he might decide to stay. If its true that he won't resign without agreement, then he is giving Scunny the final say.

 

If its also true that an offer was made to Howe and refused, things are beginning to look desparate. Anyone got Phil Brown's number?

[buctootim]

Why shouldn't S c u n thorpe ask for maximum compensation? Its not trying to do SFC down to do so, its to try to keep their manager by making it as difficult as possible for him to leave, and if does go to get the best deal for their club. Common sense, surely?

 

But S c u n thorpe will also know that if Adkins leaves without agreement having been reached, the figure will be decided by a Tribunal. That's a gamble for them, as the amount could be less than what SFC are offering. They might also have calculated that by making it clear to Adkins how much they value him, that he might decide to stay. If its true that he won't resign without agreement, then he is giving Scunny the final say.

 

If its also true that an offer was made to Howe and refused, things are beginning to look desparate. Anyone got Phil Brown's number?

 

Adkins has made himself a hostage to the Scunny Chairman by refusing to resign until compensation is agreed. Their Chairman can now demand any figure he likes resoning that he will either get a big pay day or keep his manager.

[Norm]

Why shouldn't S c u n thorpe ask for maximum compensation? Its not trying to do SFC down to do so, its to try to keep their manager by making it as difficult as possible for him to leave, and if does go to get the best deal for their club. Common sense, surely?

If the shoe was on the other foot, would we not do the same? I'm sure we would. I have no problem the the Scunny chairman over this (if correct)

But S c u n thorpe will also know that if Adkins leaves without agreement having been reached, the figure will be decided by a Tribunal. That's a gamble for them, as the amount could be less than what SFC are offering. They might also have calculated that by making it clear to Adkins how much they value him, that he might decide to stay. If its true that he won't resign without agreement, then he is giving Scunny the final say.

Correct but we have no way of knowing if this is the situation.

 

If its also true that an offer was made to Howe and refused, things are beginning to look desparate. Anyone got Phil Brown's number?

IF, that's the big word again.

 

 

 

Prof, I think your post is a fair assessment of the situation. None of us (most certainly not me) have any idea what is true and what is fairy stories leaked by who ever.

[alpine_saint]

Jesus Murphy.

 

I go to bed and everything's on track for what I think is a very good appointment - a guy who ticks most of my boxes even if he isn't (or possibly because he isn't) a "big name".

 

I wake up and Cortese is engaged in yet another barney with yet another person over yet another issue, and the managerial appointment is spiralling down the sh*tter in a clockwise direction. So we're heading for a six-pointer of a league game with the less-than-convincing Dean Wilkins in charge. Again, the media's having a field day at our expense.

 

And, if that's not enough, I notice that Tony Lynham, has suddenly reappeared and is circling like a shark who smells the blood of a club for sale. The thought process from there is too terrifying to contemplate.

 

Sod it, I'm going back to bed.

 

[the colonel]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

 

Totally agree.

For some reason lots of people on this board would rather believe rumours in the media and unfounded gossip rather than trust the person in charge who was put there by a digified billionaire that didn't do business in public. The media don't like it so there will always be an anti-Cortese twist to reports because he is continuing as Marcus (and family) wishes him to.

When will people listen to Cortese - unless it is on the web-site don't believe what is printed.

[musesaint]

Everything from Adkins and his assistant having agreed terms with SFC to SFC supposedly withdrawing the offer has come directly from the Scunny chairman. Everything. Since then Adkins has held a press conference to say he's interested in becoming the next Saints manager and thinks all negotiations should be (should've been) kept private. In other words, the whole farce was concocted by the Scunny chairman for his own interests. He tried to bully Cortese into (over)paying what he demanded. Cortese didn't flinch, and as a result of onesided reporting, some Saints fans decided to blame him for the farce. Indeed, Cortese is being unfairly treated in this case, but I hope the fans slating him would reconsider and might have actually already reconsidered their stance after the emotional knee-jerk reaction has passed.

 

The most sensible post on this thread .....thanks for injecting some sanity into an otherwise sterile sea of speculation

[alpine_saint]

I knew you'd crack!

NC rushed into his last managerial appointment.

He won't make the same mistake again.

Stay chilled Alps.

 

Nicola is in for it now !!! Alpine has changed his tune

 

Still time for NC to win me back by doing the decent thing.

 

But at the moment I just think hes an abrasive tw*t.

[homesick-saint]

CAre to meet me and say that to my face?

 

You're really bang out of order, Mate

[Saint Fan CaM]

Still time for NC to win me back by doing the decent thing.

 

But at the moment I just think hes an abrasive tw*t.

 

Err, have you met him? Sincere question, however if the answer is no, how can you defend such a statement?

[Professor]

Whether Cortese is a chump or not over this manager change really depends on the reason for the sacking of Pardew and his coaches. If there was good reason other than performance, Cortese may have had little control over the action and the timing, but the Club Statement implied performance so its not surprising that the 'chump' charge is sticking. The Club could dispell that by clarifying the reasons, which could be done without breeching any confidence.

[dune]

Still time for NC to win me back by doing the decent thing.

 

But at the moment I just think hes an abrasive tw*t.

 

I really think you're making a serious error in your judgement of the managerial negotiations. You are believing all the crap you're reading and ignoring the statement on the Saints OS and the subsequent endorsemnt of that statement by Nigel Adkins.

[alpine_saint]

I really think you're making a serious error in your judgement of the managerial negotiations. You are believing all the crap you're reading and ignoring the statement on the Saints OS and the subsequent endorsemnt of that statement by Nigel Adkins.

 

Since when have you supported Cortese ?

[buctootim]

Since when have you supported Cortese ?

 

Since when have you given up on him? since this morning because today was a royal eff up and you blame Cortese despite all the evidence pointing the other way?

[dune]

You're really bang out of order, Mate

 

And so was I. Sorry everyone including docker-p.

[sfc4prem]

CAre to meet me and say that to my face?

 

Wow, what a ****. Looking for a fight is really, really pathetic and common.

[rshephard3]

Isn't everyones only gripe with the whole situation that we dont know why AP was sacked? The fans do deserve to know but as for NC, he is interviewing decent candidates if BBC and SSN are to be believed and will find a good replacement to take us up the league hopefully into auto promotion spots. No doubt AP's exit will be explained at a later date or come out in the press. Some people seem to genuinely think NC is attempting to destruct the whole football club, this seems a little OTT. ML's passing was devastating news for everyone and the club will do him proud when come the new year, despite the doom and gloom on here ATM, we are knocking on the door of the championship. Almost any of the candidates are surely capable of picking up this team and nailing this league. Starting V Swindon (Or maybe MK Dons considering Wilkins looks like he'll be in charge Saturday!)