Cortese v Lowe...Round 3

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

 

Are you using emoticons again? I've informed you before that I am unable to view these at work...

[ottery st mary]

i've just heard cortese is walking round the offices at st marys showing people a copy of a letter he has received commending him on his running of the club.

 

when lowe pulled that out at the fans forums was comedy gold

 

I understand Uncle Nic has a massive painting of a submarine... on his office wall:rolleyes:

 

Sent by an admiring Saints fan;)

 

OR did he trade it for the one of Thomas the tanks engine?

[CB Fry]

This isn't a pro, its a con. Was completely unable to attract sufficient investment and was not prepared to invest what we had to take us to the next level, when we could have done so relatively easily.

Find it very difficult to think of any pros with Lowe. He is the reason we ended up where we were 3 years ago. I guess the only pro is that he was such a blithering idiot that in the end we got bought by someone sensible, because it would never have happened while were a plc.

 

 

 

There are loads of pros from Lowe's time at the club.

 

Clearly some people never want to admit to any of them. Life's too short to bother detailing it as it won't change your opinion.

 

Plenty of clubs habe been run far, far worse than Saints were in his time.

[Dig Dig]

Are you using emoticons again? I've informed you before that I am unable to view these at work...

 

Yes, but it's something for you to look forward to when you get home from work.

 

It's a selection of my favourite ones.

[Joensuu]

This isn't a pro, its a con. Was completely unable to attract sufficient investment and was not prepared to invest what we had to take us to the next level, when we could have done so relatively easily.

Find it very difficult to think of any pros with Lowe. He is the reason we ended up where we were 3 years ago. I guess the only pro is that he was such a blithering idiot that in the end we got bought by someone sensible, because it would never have happened while were a plc.

 

[Last post of the day]

 

Vectis, IMO, it depends what form the investment takes. For example, a grant from a benefator could only be beneficial to the club, as there would be no need to replay anything; but a loan with high interest would IMO be a very bad idea, especially given the very tight margins the club used to try to operate within. Lowe's personal net worth wasn't substantial enough for him to grant us any form of personal investment, I'm sure he could have chipped in some, £250k possibly £500k at most? - but that sort of sum would have been a drop in the ocean on our balance sheet, but would have represented a large amount for Lowe. He simply wan't wealthy enough to have made a difference from his own pocket.

 

So, I feel its unfair to chastise Lowe for not attracting investment. I don't believe there are many wealthy individuals hanging around who want to throw money at our club without wanting a return. I also don't think I'd want to take any form of loan; I understand taking out a loan for infrastucture (aka a mortgage), but taking out a loan for investing in players (who might break a leg on their first outting), would be economically crazy IMO (although I'm sure Pompey's finanical advisers would disagree with me). Any loan has to be replayed; any repayment is money you can't spend in the future (in other words, a loan taken out to strengthen the squad this season, will almost certainly weaken the squad over the following seasons).

 

I'm not sure I can see how we can criticise Lowe for failing to attract investment. I feel the fact he managed to keep the club breaking even (and resisted running us into the red) can only be considered to be a success.

 

Out of interest, what sort of investment do you feel Lowe should have attracted? What would you have spent this investment on? What (if any) is the risk of taking this investment? And how would you budget the replayments (if any)?

[Dig Dig]

You really are an odius p*ick.

 

Take your banal insults elsewhere.

 

 

Lots of irony and anger in your post Charles.

[Saint Charlie]

Lots of irony and anger in your post Charles.

 

You might be a bit (a lot) more intelligent than some of the Forum WUMs like Hypo and Alpine who probably struggle to tie their shoelaces but when I look back at your post history there hasn't been anything vaguely interesting since the "Favourite Hammond and Waigo Moment" thread which you posted on the 1st November.

 

Plus you constantly wind up DPS despite the fact the three of us discussed your conduct cordially via PM. It seems you like playing up to a crowd.

 

Must do better.

[Dig Dig]

You might be a bit (a lot) more intelligent than some of the Forum WUMs like Hypo and Alpine who probably struggle to tie their shoelaces but when I look back at your post history there hasn't been anything vaguely interesting since the "Favourite Hammond and Waigo Moment" thread which you posted on the 1st November.

 

Plus you constantly wind up DPS despite the fact the three of us discussed your conduct cordially via PM. It seems you like playing up to a crowd.

 

Must do better.

 

People enjoyed my suggestion to sell Ramirez in January back in November/December time.

 

If you're going to criticise my posting history, look no further than your own "Role for Chaplow" thread for sources of stupidity.

 

DPS enjoys the banter, he may act like he doesn't but he isn't a MLG wannabe square like you.

[Saint Charlie]

People enjoyed my suggestion to sell Ramirez in January back in November/December time.

 

If you're going to criticise my posting history, look no further than your own "Role for Chaplow" thread for sources of stupidity.

 

DPS enjoys the banter, he may act like he doesn't but he isn't a MLG wannabe square like you.

 

If your best thread was 5 months ago then you have a problem mate. I just don't get your agenda on here.

 

Action items to assess whether Dig Dig should be banned:

 

MLG - put together a stats dossier on Dig Dig's attributes as a poster on here.

 

The9 - Design him a special kit to wear at Saints games to make him stand out

 

DPS - Let us know your opinion on this poster

 

Davie in Sweden - Ultimately you will be the judge of whether he stays or goes - be prepared to make the best decision for this messageboard.

 

Thanks

[The9]

I don't see why HE should get a special kit, so... no.

[ottery st mary]

If your best thread was 5 months ago then you have a problem mate. I just don't get your agenda on here.

 

Action items to assess whether Dig Dig should be banned:

 

MLG - put together a stats dossier on Dig Dig's attributes as a poster on here.

 

The9 - Design him a special kit to wear at Saints games to make him stand out

 

DPS - Let us know your opinion on this poster

 

Davie in Sweden - Ultimately you will be the judge of whether he stays or goes - be prepared to make the best decision for this messageboard.

 

Thanks

 

 

My crayons are far better than Dig Digs.......

 

Can I send him off with lots of brilliant emoticons when he goes? PLEASE:)

[Saint Charlie]

My crayons are far better than Dig Digs.......

 

Can I send him off with lots of brilliant emoticons when he goes? PLEASE:)

 

Please do.

[aintforever]

Chairman no 1 took an established Premier League club, relegated it two divisions and left it bankrupt.

 

Chairman no 2 took over third tier club, landed it a billionaire and got it promoted two divisions.

 

How did this get to round 3 again?

[alpine_saint]

If your best thread was 5 months ago then you have a problem mate. I just don't get your agenda on here.

 

Action items to assess whether Dig Dig should be banned:

 

MLG - put together a stats dossier on Dig Dig's attributes as a poster on here.

 

The9 - Design him a special kit to wear at Saints games to make him stand out

 

DPS - Let us know your opinion on this poster

 

Davie in Sweden - Ultimately you will be the judge of whether he stays or goes - be prepared to make the best decision for this messageboard.

 

Thanks

 

I am happy for DigDig to carry on being DigDig, especially if he carries on getting up your nose like this.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

If your best thread was 5 months ago then you have a problem mate. I just don't get your agenda on here.

 

Action items to assess whether Dig Dig should be banned:

 

MLG - put together a stats dossier on Dig Dig's attributes as a poster on here.

 

The9 - Design him a special kit to wear at Saints games to make him stand out

 

DPS - Let us know your opinion on this poster

 

Davie in Sweden - Ultimately you will be the judge of whether he stays or goes - be prepared to make the best decision for this messageboard.

 

Thanks

 

Well, he doesn't add any value in discussions and spends his time picking and poking at people, got to say, but I'm at the point when I tend to ignore him as best I can. He was on ignore for a while but decided to not let him bother me anymore as like others on this forum, there is little respect for his posting style. IMHO of course.

[Dig Dig]

Guys, I am flattered by all the attention but ultimately all I did was post some emoticons to DPS which succintly sum up my thoughts on his OP (which DPS himself bumped despite it being from 2010)

 

For the benefit of the forum, lets get this thread back to the original discussion.

 

Is there a comparison to be made between Lowe and Cortese?

 

They are certainly divisive individuals but in terms of approach and agenda, they are chalk and cheese really.

 

I am happy with the clubs progress under Cortese, long may it continue.

[Saint Charlie]

I am happy for DigDig to carry on being DigDig, especially if he carries on getting up your nose like this.

 

He is a big fan of yours too:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42210-Time-to-do-the-right-thing-mods&highlight=alpine+saint%5D

[Saint Charlie]

Guys, I am flattered by all the attention but ultimately all I did was post some emoticons to DPS which succintly sum up my thoughts on his OP (which DPS himself bumped despite it being from 2010)

 

For the benefit of the forum, lets get this thread back to the original discussion.

 

Is there a comparison to be made between Lowe and Cortese?

 

They are certainly divisive individuals but in terms of approach and agenda, they are chalk and cheese really.

 

I am happy with the clubs progress under Cortese, long may it continue.

 

Agree 100%. Foolhardy to even enter into discussions about their similarities when they have such big differences.

 

Fact is, Cortese will probably never be appreciated by those put out of joint by his arrivla and their diminishing links to the club gravy gossip train.

 

If Flash Watson can no longer give them idle gossip because Cortese has tightened things up then thats their problem - surely they should just enjoy the progress we are making on and off the pitch?

[The9]

Chairman no 1 took an established Premier League club, relegated it two divisions and left it bankrupt.

 

Chairman no 2 took over third tier club, landed it a billionaire and got it promoted two divisions.

 

How did this get to round 3 again?

 

How many seasons of Premier League football, and how many FA Cup Finals, has Cortese overseen, again ?

[Dig Dig]

How many seasons of Premier League football, and how many FA Cup Finals, has Cortese overseen, again ?

 

We were already an established premier league club when Lowe took the reins. How can you use this as a comparison point when the circumstances when they both took over were completely different?

 

We'd already been an established top flight side for 20+ years before Lowe took charge, he'll always be the one who was at the helm when that run ended.

 

The whole argument is flawed as all anyone is doing is comparing apples with pears.

[ART]

Considering the number of injured, sick or players fraining near death experience, brought in under Rupert, I have to conclude Rupert was more humane and had a heart and feeling for the afflicted.

[CB Fry]

We were already an established premier league club when Lowe took the reins. How can you use this as a comparison point when the circumstances when they both took over were completely different?

 

We'd already been an established top flight side for 20+ years before Lowe took charge, he'll always be the one who was at the helm when that run ended.

 

The whole argument is flawed as all anyone is doing is comparing apples with pears.

 

We were established relegation stragglers in a tiny stadium when Lowe took over.

 

Some might say what Cortese has achieved has been far easier than what Lowe achieved (up to the end of the Sturrock season).

 

And Cortese hasn't finished his tenure yet. Who says we won't ever go down under him?

Edited 8 March, 2013 by CB Fry

[Dig Dig]

We were established relegation stragglers in a tiny stadium when Lowe took over.

 

Some might say what Cortese has achieved has been far easier than what Lowe achieved (up to the end of the Sturrock season).

 

And Cortese hasn't finished his tenure yet. Who says we won't ever go down under him?

 

We may well go down under him, but at this moment in time like for like comparisons don't really make sense considering how different the starting positions were.

[CB Fry]

We may well go down under him, but at this moment in time like for like comparisons don't really make sense considering how different the starting positions were.

 

Yes, they were different. But both had significant challenges.

 

You seem to imply earlier that Lowe seemed to have thing easier because we were "established". I disagree with that, demonstrated by the immediate preceding two seasons we only scraped survival.

 

 

Charging through L1 on the back of a Billionaire is no more difficult.

[Village Saint]

We may well go down under him, but at this moment in time like for like comparisons don't really make sense considering how different the starting positions were.

 

Rupert Lowe was a posh boy who led a charmed life based on the privileges of birth which mean that being an incompetent buffoon did not hold him back. I know many like him, although to be fair most are quite fun to be around which I don't think anyone has said about Rupert. Basically he got lucky and rode the wave when things were going well and was just hopeless when they didn't.

 

Nicola Cortese is an odious little man who knows how to run a business (the two often not being entirely mutually exclusive) and so far has done very little to complain about in getting us where we are today.

 

I know which I prefer as Saints Chairman.

[david in sweden]

Be interesting to see in a poll who would come out as the biggest tosspot and most unsuitable Chairman.

 

Didn't we have this " non-topic " a few weeks back.

 

results were: Lowe was credited with actually having SMS built - although a new stadium had been discussed for 30 years.

Cortese got the nod because he took up Liebherrs challenge / invitation to run the club, and we spent £30 million. in transfers last summer.

 

......the rest was just " handbags" about beer, programme-sellers and ticket charges.

 

Do we really need another 5 page thread on the subject?

[Saint Without a Halo]

3 years on we are in the premier as promised! how many Chairmen in the Uk actually deliver on the promises they make when taking over? enough said!

[sadoldgit]

Not a Cortese fan but he did well to get us where we are in double quick time. Sadly his poor choices in sacking Adkins when he did and his poor signings and lack of investment in the team in the transfer window could see us back in the Championship next season.

[sadoldgit]

We were already an established premier league club when Lowe took the reins. How can you use this as a comparison point when the circumstances when they both took over were completely different?

 

We'd already been an established top flight side for 20+ years before Lowe took charge, he'll always be the one who was at the helm when that run ended.

 

The whole argument is flawed as all anyone is doing is comparing apples with pears.

 

Lowe and his board kept us in the Premiership when many other clubs would have gone down. Not easy to compete when your home crowds are limited to 15k. Cortese has the luxury of money to fall back on that was there when he started. As we saw from those following Lowe, getting investment was not easy. You have to wonder how Cortese would fair without the Swiss money he came in with.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Another classic deserves double facepalm :facepalm:

[hutch]

You have to wonder how Cortese would fair without the Swiss money he came in with.

So true. Likewise I also often sit and wonder how Rickie Lambert would 'fair' in the Premier League if he couldn't play football.

[david in sweden]

Lowe and his board kept us in the Premiership when many other clubs would have gone down. Not easy to compete when your home crowds are limited to 15k. Cortese has the luxury of money to fall back on that was there when he started. As we saw from those following Lowe, getting investment was not easy.

You have to wonder how Cortese would fair without the Swiss money he came in with.

 

 

I wonder how Saints would have fared - if he hadn't?

[Daren W]

There are loads of pros from Lowe's time at the club.

 

Clearly some people never want to admit to any of them. Life's too short to bother detailing it as it won't change your opinion.

 

Plenty of clubs habe been run far, far worse than Saints were in his time.

 

You would have thought that after the Portsmouth shambles, people might view Lowe a bit more reasonably? But alas, no, for some he's still the antichrist...

?

[david in sweden]

 

Davie in Sweden - Ultimately you will be the judge of whether he stays or goes - be prepared to make the best decision for this messageboard. Thanks

 

 

WOW ! .(Charlie ) ...I'm not sure if being placed amongst these luminaries is an honour ..or a condemnation ?...and I certainly don't want to judge anyone.

 

Personally, I'm not sure if Dig Dig's post is that controversial? ..compared with many others that appear on this site. Besides he can spell, and uses long words sometimes.

 

I've often observed that everyone posts " something " guaranteed to cause ructions amongst the "site faithful "..when ever they do post, that is.

 

Aside from the " occasional" posters who come with their opinions, much of the traffic seems to be between, those who seem rarely to create a thread, but enjoy attacking the comments of others,

OR people who reply to everything, (whether they have anything constructive to say - or not) ....and seem to have set themselves a personal target to get over 20,000 posts.

the last category seem not to have had great success with their GCSE's (for which I commiserate with them) and very soon run out of three syllable words and resort to four letter ones.

 

For my part I only read those threads that of are interest to me, as I have other things to do in life that take up too much of my time..but I enjoy the banter, and thank you for the mention.

[brmbrm]

For what its worth:

 

I give Lowe 3/10: yes, there are worse, but ****! there are ferken heaps better!

 

Cortese: jury is out: he really is gagging for some elementary person-management skills. You can actually get more out of people of they are happy, supportive and with you. Or maybe not in Italy, or Cortese's part of italy.

 

Some of the posters above: FFS kiddies, get a life, please get banned for a while