Cortese v Lowe...Round 3

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Be interesting to see in a poll who would come out as the biggest tosspot and most unsuitable Chairman.

[Topcat]

At least with Lowe we had his inane quotes to laugh at.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

At least with Lowe we had his inane quotes to laugh at.

 

Exactly, Rupert could be funny.

[beatlesaint]

Someone said it a few weeks back regarding Markus. Now it is whoever is overseeing the club from the Liebherr family.

And whoever it is needs to reel this Cortese in cos he is making us, and by that very fact, a company they own look a shambles.

 

That cannot be good for them and their good name, let alone Southampton FC.

[alpine_saint]

I am staying netural now.

[JackFrost]

FFS not another thread on this

[the stain]

You silly sods.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Someone said it a few weeks back regarding Markus. Now it is whoever is overseeing the club from the Liebherr family.

And whoever it is needs to reel this Cortese in cos he is making us, and by that very fact, a company they own look a shambles.

 

That cannot be good for them and their good name, let alone Southampton FC.

 

Exactly, but as we know he was Liebherrs main man. Worried to **** that this megalomanic has NO-ONE to answer to, and we're the ones that will bear the brunt of his stupidity.

[JRM]

i've just heard cortese is walking round the offices at st marys showing people a copy of a letter he has received commending him on his running of the club.

 

when lowe pulled that out at the fans forums was comedy gold

[docker-p]

It's astonishing how one person can ricochet from one self made problem to the next, leaving a trail of havoc in his wake. If the Llibhear family want us in the premiership asap they need to drop this clown.

Lowe and Cortese? We don't half pick 'em.

[dan17]

The way I see it, none of us can make a judgement as we all collectively know **** all.

 

I shall wait for facts and then decide.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's astonishing how one person can ricochet from one self made problem to the next, leaving a trail of havoc in his wake. If the Llibhear family want us in the premiership asap they need to drop this clown.

Lowe and Cortese? We don't half pick 'em.

 

And Wilde!

[Pancake]

To paraphrase Souness, how many people in football are called "Nicola"?

[The9]

I am staying netural now.

 

LOL. No you're not... you're veering rapidly away from "Cortese is ace" to "Uh-oh".

[Scudamore]

Maybe if more of you fags had spent more time playing football when you were younger instead of going to pantomimes i wouldn't have to read sh:t like this.

[Frank's cousin]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

[the stain]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

If I'm translating you correctly... +1

[supersaint1885]

Opinion on Cortese is very divided.I suggest you read this and links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Cortese Then from infromation you have gathered tie it to the actions Cortese has taken.Then and only then can you base your opinion.

[Block 5]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

This.

[Block 5]

Opinion on Cortese is very divided.I suggest you read this and links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_Cortese Then from infromation you have gathered tie it to the actions Cortese has taken.Then and only then can you base your opinion.

 

And this.

[waggy]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

spot on, but it'll probably fall on a fair few deaf ears, especially on here.

[derry]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

Spot on Frank.

[Andyb1]

Spot on Frank.

 

Yes yes yes... To be honest i didn't really mind Lowe and i LIKE Cortese

[doddisalegend]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

All fair enough if you assume that people are only upset with NC about the latest manager stuff. Opinion has been turnning for a while based on other things to like press bans and the way season tickets where handled. Just like a prime minister the longer NC is in charge the more things he will do that upset people. I have no strong feelings on the man really. I've been upset by the sacking of AP but couldn't care less about todays stuff or parking metres at SMS.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Frankly fecking astonishing that this is even being debated... Saints the only club where their own fans are not happy until they can slag their own chairman based o rumour, gossip, media speculation - because they are often more concerned eith tehir own egos being challenged by 'public' perception of tehir clubs... FFS get a grip.

 

The club want new manager

The club speak to folk

Offers are possibly made

negotiations take place - not always go through THAT IS FECKIN LIFE

The fact its played out in the media by one party suggests many things, including Scunny wanting to put pressure on the deal, or scupper it whatever - but why teh flying feck do we always believe teh negative about Saints, the board, the chairman, just because we see some ****e in teh press and we want to conduct things confidentially, behind closed doors... have we forgotten already ho the swiss deal was negotiated in the first place?FECKIN PROFESSIONALLY that was how, in confidence - yet now when we Cortese tries to do the same, but teh Scunny Chairman, goes public, we side with the Scunny chairman ????? What the ***** is wrong with you people?

 

Absolutely on the money FC - can't believe the girly twerps on here.

[Dazza82]

Be interesting to see in a poll who would come out as the biggest tosspot and most unsuitable Chairman.

 

So what has Cortese done to be branded an unsuitable Chairman and tosspot as you suggest?

[Saintandy666]

Cortese every time. He doesn't even compare to Lowe in badness. Cortese runs a tight ship financially, and he will get us to the premiership within 3 years.

 

In Cortese we trust.

[ottery st mary]

King Nic for me ...He is the boss..

 

The other little pillock was a massive joker and a real village idiot..

[NickG]

judge on pitch, crowds etc not made up rumours.

[ottery st mary]

King Nic for me ...He is the boss..

 

The other little pillock was a massive joker and a real village idiot..

 

 

Sorry Rupes ....misunderstanding......I am on the wrong fred....Thought this was about the two Managers at the Forum match.....

 

 

Sorry phil of the desert......I got this the wrong way round.......You will always Be King Philly...

Edited 9 September, 2010 by ottery st mary

[sadoldgit]

Lowe is the past and Cortese is now, but the more I hear about this character the more I worry about our future. Today's debacle has done little to improve his status. This season lurches from bad to worse. To be honest I think we have actually found someone worse.

[Joensuu]

The worst thing that Cortese has done to date is, err, kept his mouth shut. In any other business keeping things confidential is called being 'professional', in football it seems to be a cardinal sin. We demand a chairman who leaks dirt to journalists, spreads muck in the papers and appears on Question of Sport, not a professional one who keeps stum, FFS... er...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So who would we all prefer now then?

[Lazlo78]

So who would we all prefer now then?

 

Frank's Cousin. OP is a nutter...

 

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Frank's Cousin. OP is a nutter...

 

 

*doffs cap*

[Saint Charlie]

So who would we all prefer now then?

 

Cortese. The same as we have all along. There is no comparison for me.

[Saint Garrett]

Cortese 100%.

[Joensuu]

Lowe:

 

Pros: tried to innovate; managd to keep the club treading water with limited money; managed to get a good stadium at a great price (with council help)

; sensible, if overly conservative, use of relegation release clauses (although they didn't do much good if the next chairman blows all the spare cash (and some) on the half-baked purchases of a drunk Scot.

 

Cons: too inclined to pick the cheap option with managers; turned too many players away due to price; iffy use of club money to purchase own shares for no real benefit to the club (but plenty of benefit to anyone who happened to purchase shares the day before the club did); photoshots in the 'RL' branded tracksuits.

 

Overall (IMO): 3.5/10 Poor to average, with some redeeming qualities.

 

Cortese:

 

Pros: attracted Markus; highly ambitious; seemingly highly trusted by the Liebherrs; brought in substantial money (which has been written off); invested in infrastucture; overseen the club being promoted twice; has largely kept himself out of the press (no self-publicity, or 'NC' branded tracksuits); has overachieved on his stated goals; the jury is out on his manager selections, although for me it is a positive (Pardew good; Adkins very good; Pochettino shows promise but too early to call); heavy investment in Academy; excellent record or renuing key player contracts; good record of funding player purchases; makes very brave decisions.

 

Cons: seems to be a control freak (i.e. fallen out with (some) ex-players; fallen out with media; seems overly ruthless about employment contracts etc); subject to a large number of rumours (is this a con?); Seems to sometimes make purchases for the manager; seems to sometimes make decisions which are too brave or risky (so far they have paid off).

 

Overall (IMO): 7.5/10 Good, with some clear outstanding qualities offset by some dubious ones. However, it isn't really fair to judge anyone until they part company with us. I'd have rated Lowe far more highly pre-summer 2003. Who knows how Cortese will fair over the coming years.

[Saint Garrett]

Ok, Cortese has a few question marks, but you can't question the overall situation at the club. Bottom of L1 with -10 points when he joined and now on the verge of staying in the Premiership in our first year there. Has high ambitions and doing so in a conservative manor.

[hypochondriac]

Balanced post from Joe. My mark for cortese would be slightly lower but I pretty much agree with your comments

[Baldbarbarian]

100% Cortese for me

[Saint Charlie]

Cortese for me would be much higher than 7.5/10.

 

9/10 for me.

[ottery st mary]

Uncle Nic..........10/10 for me.

 

 

Rupert Lowe 0/10

 

 

No comparison between these two.

 

 

100% support for Cortese.

 

Rupert Lowe I would not trust with looking after my pocket money.

[Joensuu]

Cortese for me would be much higher than 7.5/10.

 

9/10 for me.

 

I sort of agree, certainly more tempted to up my estimate than reduce it (as per Hypo's suggestion). While it's tempting to agree with Ottery, I feel there were some positive attributes to Lowe, and likewise Cortese, while very good, isn't flawless. All shades of grey in my book.

 

For the record, I'd have rated Cortese around the 9/10 mark at the start of Jan. If the Pochettino decision works (or even if it fails and he is swiftly replaced), I'll be back up close to the 9/10 mark. However, if Pochettino fails and Cortese sticks to his decision, I could drop lower than my current 7.5/10.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Uncle Nic..........10/10 for me.

 

 

Rupert Lowe 0/10

 

 

No comparison between these two.

 

 

100% support for Cortese.

 

Rupert Lowe I would not trust with looking after my pocket money.

 

Really? He's been pretty successful in life, dare I say (this is an assumption) more successful than you. It wasn't RL's fault we went into administration.

[hypochondriac]

I sort of agree, certainly more tempted to up my estimate than reduce it (as per Hypo's suggestion). While it's tempting to agree with Ottery, I feel there were some positive attributes to Lowe, and likewise Cortese, while very good, isn't flawless. All shades of grey in my book.

 

For the record, I'd have rated Cortese around the 9/10 mark at the start of Jan. If the Pochettino decision works (or even if it fails and he is swiftly replaced), I'll be back up close to the 9/10 mark. However, if Pochettino fails and Cortese sticks to his decision, I could drop lower than my current 7.5/10.

 

It wasn't a suggestion it was what I I would have put. You are entitled to rate him higher.

[Barry Sanchez]

One was a bellend and the other is a silent assassin with a powerful amount of cult followers, difficult to choose.

[ottery st mary]

Really? He's been pretty successful in life, dare I say (this is an assumption) more successful than you. It wasn't RL's fault we went into administration.

 

 

I gave my opinion as above.

 

In view of what you have stated...I will not be changing my opinion.

 

I have been far more successful in my life than Rupert Lowe..this is not an assumption on my part.

 

I believe Rupert Lowe was at fault for SFC going into administration........once again matter of opinion.

[VectisSaint]

Lowe:

 

Pros: managd to keep the club treading water with limited money;

This isn't a pro, its a con. Was completely unable to attract sufficient investment and was not prepared to invest what we had to take us to the next level, when we could have done so relatively easily.

Find it very difficult to think of any pros with Lowe. He is the reason we ended up where we were 3 years ago. I guess the only pro is that he was such a blithering idiot that in the end we got bought by someone sensible, because it would never have happened while were a plc.

[Dig Dig]

Be interesting to see in a poll who would come out as the biggest tosspot and most unsuitable Chairman.