Adkins has NOT signed - and may not do so now either !!!

[fromthedell]

to be fair southampton football club have said nothing its all coming from the scunny end so give nc some space and see what happens

[Sour Mash]

And most importantly the position this leaves Adkins in. He could end up joining us feeling p****d off and aprehensive over the way the move has gone and the way Cortese is already playing things, rather than feeling its a fresh, positive start.

[sussexsaint]

We had 50+ people apply I assumed he was one of them

[saint lard]

This news has devided some of there lot and to others comes as no surprise...

 

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=460&fid=12&sty=2&act=1&mid=2120215979

[Pip]

Er.. we didn't poach him, he applied for the job despite having employment . Why are we suddenly the bad guys in al this?

 

If this is true then you're right - compensation is up to him, not us.

[Goalie66]

Whoever is now the owner of the club will have to face the fact that sooner or later Cortese is a disaster and will not deliver on their "dream". Any manager coming in will be under ridiculous pressure and scrutiny and is almost being set up for ultimate failure. Now the reason why Adkins is delaying is in the public domain devalues our club and will certainly detract any real talent wanting to come here.

[Lambert7]

.... come on, read that back to yourself and ask yourself a few of questions:

 

1. When has a 'manager tap up' ever gone smoothly?

2. Why should Saints not get the best possible deal - yes, in a 'nice'world we would just give Scunny loads of cash, but its surely in our interests to play hard ball and get that compensation figure down?

3. We all agree (or seem to) tha Markus was a decent, honurable man of high integrity - do you think he would hang have formed such a partnership and trust with a 'nasty piece of work'

 

This is just playing hardball and whilst its easy to sit in our own ivory towers and judge the morals/ethics of business practice... in teh real world, thats simply how the game is played

 

Well said! People really need to give the Cortese bashing a rest! Won't be moaning come the end of the season when we get promoted!

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

When ever someone is bound by a contract, the terms have to be met by by agreement from both parties when seperating. That means they have to pay up the remainder of his contract should they sack him and he has to pay up the remainder of the contract should he leave.

 

Say whaaaaaat? When I was contracting, I was on a 1 year contract. If I left during that time I didnt have to "pay up" the remaining months.

 

Have you ever been employed as a manager of a football club? If you hold a contract then the conditions of that contract are binding by law. Where there are no conditions we have previously seen managers just wait in the wings until the authorities or the clubs sort things out. That normally means what is good for the goose is good for the gander and hence the compensation being similar both ways. It will be Adkins that theoretically has to pay any amount, if at all. I don't specifically know why this is such in football, just when ever this has raised it's head in the past this is what has happened. Remember with Poortvliet, he stayed officially outside the arena until it was all sorted, even though he quit and was here. The same with several similar instances with other managers swapping clubs.

[buctootim]

And most importantly the position this leaves Adkins in. He could end up joining us feeling p****d off and aprehensive over the way the move has gone and the way Cortese is already playing things, rather than feeling its a fresh, positive start.

 

This. You cant talk about the importance of managers loyalty and stability, appoint somebody who has those traits, and then try and get them to collude in stitching up their former employer! I wouldnt b surprised if Adkins now has doubts about his new 'dream job'.

[Thedelldays]

More hysterical tarts posting

 

Meanwhile SFC have said nothing

[exit2]

Does this remind you of the Ward situation, ie Done deal etc and then Cortese pulls the plug at the last minute

[Thedelldays]

Does this remind you of the Ward situation, ie Done deal etc and then Cortese pulls the plug at the last minute

 

Was it a done deal. Were we told this?

[Sour Mash]

to be fair southampton football club have said nothing its all coming from the scunny end so give nc some space and see what happens

 

"Give NC some space"? How exactly does anything written on this forum constitue not giving "NC some space"?

[bowers-sfc]

deal is off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[buctootim]

More hysterical tarts posting

 

Meanwhile SFC have said nothing

 

Nah. It looks as though NC is playing hardball over the finances. There are times when its right to do that (eg over player transfers) and times when its not (eg when a loyal manger wants his to treat his former employers decently). This is one of those times when trying to not pay comes back to bite you on the ass.

[georgeweahscousin]

So....... If the chairman of S****horpe says something, it MUST be true?

 

Get a grip people.

[bowers-sfc]

on sky sports news, with had taken away the offer of the job to adkins! great!

[Thedelldays]

Nah. It looks as though NC is playing hardball over the finances. There are times when its right to do that (eg over player transfers) and times when its not (eg when a loyal manger wants his to treat his former employers decently). This is one of those times when trying to not pay comes back to bite you on the ass.

 

So you know this for a fact???

You know for a fact that the scunny chairman is not trying to get more out of SFC

 

Where is it stated that we are not paying anything

 

How come thy what the scunny bloke says is true (despite knowing nothing about him) meaning it is all nasty nicks fault?

 

Feck me

[Window Cleaner]

So....... If the chairman of S****horpe says something, it MUST be true?

 

Get a grip people.

 

probably just trying to not look too much of a pussy in front of Scnthorpe's few hard line supporters.Lowe used to come out with that sort of crap as well, the players (or manager) always left anyway.....

[daveygwyatt]

as much as i didnt want adkins (will be behind him if he does come). Why is nc getting slated, Adkins applied for the job, it seems nc has said ok if you want the job resign from your current employment? ... No different to anyone else going for another job... you apply then have the interview ... get offered the job..... THEN you resign from your current job to take up your new employment.

 

ffs this forum is full of miserable old sods who would find something to moan about if we were top of the prem and european champions... Lets try something new shall will and place a little trust in NC.!!

[exit2]

Was it a done deal. Were we told this?

 

Well Coventry FC, Their Chairman, Manager and the player thought it was. Ward didnt play for CCFC that day against Pompey because it was all done, then Saints pulled the plug

[rudi-skacel]

come on guys,what about loyalty to your own chairman and club,are you scunny fans in disguise!!!

[exit2]

as much as i didnt want adkins (will be behind him if he does come). Why is nc getting slated, Adkins applied for the job, it seems nc has said ok if you want the job resign from your current employment? ... No different to anyone else going for another job... you apply then have the interview ... get offered the job..... THEN you resign from your current job to take up your new employment.

 

ffs this forum is full of miserable old sods who would find something to moan about if we were top of the prem and european champions... Lets try something new shall will and place a little trust in NC.!!

 

 

 

"No different to anyone else going for another job... you apply then have the interview ... get offered the job..... THEN you resign from your current job to take up your new employment"

 

LOL I dont think so, not in the world of football.

[MulletMan]

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[rudi-skacel]

have you even stopped to think, that, a better candidate may have come out of the woodwork,at the last minute.

[Ian the Red]

Shock Horror, Cortese trying to get the best deal for the Liebherr family who hold the purse strings. Why are we not supporting our club. Why are we listening to a Chairman of another club who seems to put out statements before he knows what is going on.

 

Even his last statement - “But at the moment I am not exactly sure what the situation is until I have talked further to Nigel.”

 

Great post!! Why cant people understand that in business the CEO is there to get the best deal for the business. Thats all NC is doing... Scunny chairman is simply trying to up the anti..

[Doctoroncall]

as much as i didnt want adkins (will be behind him if he does come). Why is nc getting slated, Adkins applied for the job, it seems nc has said ok if you want the job resign from your current employment? ... No different to anyone else going for another job... you apply then have the interview ... get offered the job..... THEN you resign from your current job to take up your new employment.

 

ffs this forum is full of miserable old sods who would find something to moan about if we were top of the prem and european champions... Lets try something new shall will and place a little trust in NC.!!

 

If I resign, I'm on a 3 month notice period, my manager is on 6 months. Do you expect Adkins to work his notice period or do you really think football works the same way?

[waggy]

Great post!! Why cant people understand that in business the CEO is there to get the best deal for the business. Thats all NC is doing... Scunny chairman is simply trying to up the anti..

 

some people don't want to understand, their hatred of NC has blinded them of any reasoning that might show him in a good light

[thefunkygibbons]

Manager recruitment is like sausage making

 

Everyone knows how it is done, you just don't want to see it done in public

[martel]

It was subject to the two clubs agreeing a compensation package. - Surely this must be minimal and talked about already?

 

The situation is that Nigel and was given an ultimatum last night by Southampton to resign and accept their offer, said Wharton You cant do that in football, there are procedures to go through as above

 

But Nigel was not prepared to do that. He wanted to walk out of Glanford Park with his head held high and everything agreed Fair play to him, and how it should be done

 

I have tried to contact the Southampton chairman today but have not been able to get hold of him WTF! Surely Cortese knows he must be talking to them

 

I was not prepared to roll over and let Nigel leave for nothing. I wanted some compensation for what I felt he was worth. It was only a modest amount So he should

 

But I also feel very sorry for Nigel if this was a move that he had set his heart on. The Southampton people have been very difficult to deal with. They are probably not the right sort of people for Nigel to be working with mmmmmmm someone else have a dig at the club and it seems they have a case too.

 

The only other thing that comes to mind is the total lack of empathy, as permission must have been given for Adkins to meet with Saints, the to go back having been told to resign in other words, do the dirty on the club you have worked for all these years; something wrong with the picture here, with any negotiation you walk away from the see-saw perfectly balanced.

[Marsdinho]

.... come on, read that back to yourself and ask yourself a few of questions:

 

1. When has a 'manager tap up' ever gone smoothly?

2. Why should Saints not get the best possible deal - yes, in a 'nice'world we would just give Scunny loads of cash, but its surely in our interests to play hard ball and get that compensation figure down?

3. We all agree (or seem to) tha Markus was a decent, honurable man of high integrity - do you think he would hang have formed such a partnership and trust with a 'nasty piece of work'

 

This is just playing hardball and whilst its easy to sit in our own ivory towers and judge the morals/ethics of business practice... in teh real world, thats simply how the game is played

 

Totally agree.

[Charlie2008]

Shock, horror!

 

Scunny Chairman tries to force the issue.

 

Don't hold the back page.

 

COYR!

[daveygwyatt]

"No different to anyone else going for another job... you apply then have the interview ... get offered the job..... THEN you resign from your current job to take up your new employment"

 

LOL I dont think so, not in the world of football.

 

SORRY FORGOT YOUR LONG HISTORY OF EMPLOYMENT AS A PRO FOOTBALL MANAGER... oh hang on a minute.

football maybe different, but is he resigned then we would have held the aces rather than s****horpe, that money saved due to reduced compensation would have been retained for the clubs football budget.

[daveygwyatt]

If I resign, I'm on a 3 month notice period, my manager is on 6 months. Do you expect Adkins to work his notice period or do you really think football works the same way?

 

 

 

 

no football does not work the same way.. but tell me what set rules are there in football ? you only know or think you know what you read.. if he had resigned then yes compensation would probably be payed but nowhere near as much.

 

feel sorry for adkins though, going to be tought to stay on as s****horpe manager.

Edited 9 September, 2010 by daveygwyatt
forgot quote

[The Kraken]

SORRY FORGOT YOUR LONG HISTORY OF EMPLOYMENT AS A PRO FOOTBALL MANAGER... oh hang on a minute.

football maybe different, but is he resigned then we would have held the aces rather than s****horpe, that money saved due to reduced compensation would have been retained for the clubs football budget.

 

You're assuming that he could just resign with no further consequences. The likelihood is that he is on a termed contract with Scunny, and one way or the other the club will be entitled to compensation for breach of contract. If he resigned, he would be liable to pay it, not us.

 

There's many potential things that have happened here; we could have refused compensation full stop; we could have offered to pay the contractual amount on his behalf; or Scunny could be holding out for a much higher amount. As much as I think Cortese is a bit of a chump, I can't believe he'd refuse to pay any compensation, so I think there's a bit more to this. Wharton (Scunny's chairman) is a bit of a gobsh!te so it's no surprise to see the amount of quotes coming out from that end.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sorry I am old fashioned enough to expect if we poach a club's under contract manager then we should pay compensation - doesn't matter how rich or poor we are. If we can't afford it then we shouldn't have sacked our manager in the first place.

 

I would love to know how all those supporting NC's hardball attitude would feel if Adkins came here, was a massive success and then Arsenal came and poached him and insisted he resign rather than give us compensation?

 

I used to be proud that my club always did the "decent" thing. Those days are now gone forever. Even Rupert would not have tried this stunt.

[martel]

Sorry I am old fashioned enough to expect if we poach a club's under contract manager then we should pay compensation - doesn't matter how rich or poor we are. If we can't afford it then we shouldn't have sacked our manager in the first place.

 

I would love to know how all those supporting NC's hardball attitude would feel if Adkins came here, was a massive success and then Arsenal came and poached him and insisted he resign rather than give us compensation?

 

I used to be proud that my club always did the "decent" thing. Those days are now gone forever. Even Rupert would not have tried this stunt.

 

Nobody can argue with that post, I think that NC's hard ball attitude will come around and firmly bite him in the rear end one day, what goes around comes around as they say.

[Armitage Shanks]

Nobody can argue with that post, I think that NC's hard ball attitude will come around and firmly bite him in the rear end one day, what goes around comes around as they say.

 

Garbage. He's got balls and acting in Saints best interests. I'd rather have this than a Chairman who rolls over and lets his tummy be tickled. Good on him.

[OldNick]

Nobody can argue with that post, I think that NC's hard ball attitude will come around and firmly bite him in the rear end one day, what goes around comes around as they say.

 

we are all jumping to conclusions. That is the problem with the club running a tight ship and no comment policy. Rumour and accusations grow.

Who knows the facts to really assess what has happened?

[solentstars]

Sorry I am old fashioned enough to expect if we poach a club's under contract manager then we should pay compensation - doesn't matter how rich or poor we are. If we can't afford it then we shouldn't have sacked our manager in the first place.

 

I would love to know how all those supporting NC's hardball attitude would feel if Adkins came here, was a massive success and then Arsenal came and poached him and insisted he resign rather than give us compensation?

 

I used to be proud that my club always did the "decent" thing. Those days are now gone forever. Even Rupert would not have tried this stunt.

 

good shout but i suppose its the sign of the times with the everyman for them selves and i want it now attitude,if rupert had tryed that this forum would have been slagging him off.

[buctootim]

Nobody can argue with that post, I think that NC's hard ball attitude will come around and firmly bite him in the rear end one day, what goes around comes around as they say.

 

Seems to me the issue isnt refusing to pay compensation, its how much and when, and whether the independent tribunal is the best way to go. Its diffrences on amounts and procedure rather than not accepting compensation should be paid.

[SNSUN]

Imo this echoes the takeover. The MLT takeover dragged out, we didn't get him, then Liebherr swooped in and we were better off with him. If we don't get Adkins, who knows - we could swiftly procure another manager that does a better job.

 

I think Adkins would be a good appointment but we'll see.

[Give it to Ron]

Garbage. He's got balls and acting in Saints best interests. I'd rather have this than a Chairman who rolls over and lets his tummy be tickled. Good on him.

 

So we shouldn't of got any compo for Burley then???

Fck me the double standards on here are a joke!

 

FF good post and with you all the way.

[Give it to Ron]

Garbage. He's got balls and acting in Saints best interests. I'd rather have this than a Chairman who rolls over and lets his tummy be tickled. Good on him.

 

So we shouldn't of got any compo for Burley then???

Fck me the double standards on here are a joke!

 

FF good post and with you all the way.

[JustMike]

S****HORPE United manager Nigel Adkins has NOT yet signed for Southampton.

 

And the likelihood seems now that he will not be going to St Mary’s.

 

First thing today the club put out a statement saying Adkins and his right hand man Andy Crosby had agreed terms to join Southampton after talks yesterday.

 

It was subject to the two clubs agreeing a compensation package.

 

But Iron chairman Steve Wharton exclusively told the Telegraph that the deal had not gone through.

 

“The situation is that Nigel and was given an ultimatum last night by Southampton to resign and accept their offer, said Wharton.

 

“But Nigel was not prepared to do that. He wanted to walk out of Glanford Park with his head held high and everything agreed.

 

“I have tried to contact the Southampton chairman today but have not been able to get hold of him.

 

“I was not prepared to roll over and let Nigel leave for nothing.

 

“I wanted some compensation for what I felt he was worth. It was only a modest amount.

 

“From a selfish point of view I will be happy if Nigel stays with us.

 

“But I also feel very sorry for Nigel if this was a move that he had set his heart on.

 

“The Southampton people have been very difficult to deal with.

 

“They are probably not the right sort of people for Nigel to be working with.

 

“But at the moment I am not exactly sure what the situation is until I have talked further to Nigel.”

 

so in otherwords he doesnt know whats going on. bit odd for him to talk to media without actually talking to his current manager

[OldNick]

So we shouldn't of got any compo for Burley then???

Fck me the double standards on here are a joke!

 

FF good post and with you all the way.

How can you say that is a good post if the facts are unknown. If the truth is what Scunny are reporting then he feels the same way as me, but in alll these things there are two sides to the story.

[Weston Saint]

Sorry I am old fashioned enough to expect if we poach a club's under contract manager then we should pay compensation - doesn't matter how rich or poor we are. If we can't afford it then we shouldn't have sacked our manager in the first place.

 

I would love to know how all those supporting NC's hardball attitude would feel if Adkins came here, was a massive success and then Arsenal came and poached him and insisted he resign rather than give us compensation?

 

I used to be proud that my club always did the "decent" thing. Those days are now gone forever. Even Rupert would not have tried this stunt.

Your comment might have been a bit premature Duncan in view of the statement released on the Official Site. Too much media reporting with a slant.

[martel]

Garbage. He's got balls and acting in Saints best interests. I'd rather have this than a Chairman who rolls over and lets his tummy be tickled. Good on him.

 

Time will tell Armitage, time will tell, I could be wrong I freely admit that, and hope I am wrong.

[OldNick]

Sorry I am old fashioned enough to expect if we poach a club's under contract manager then we should pay compensation - doesn't matter how rich or poor we are. If we can't afford it then we shouldn't have sacked our manager in the first place.

 

I would love to know how all those supporting NC's hardball attitude would feel if Adkins came here, was a massive success and then Arsenal came and poached him and insisted he resign rather than give us compensation?

 

I used to be proud that my club always did the "decent" thing. Those days are now gone forever. Even Rupert would not have tried this stunt.

 

'is fully aware that appropriate compensation payments become due where the candidate managers are currently under contract. The Club has acted in an entirely professional manner and will continue to do so.'

FF like yourself I want the club to act correctly, by the statement I have pasted from the clubs statement , it appears they agree with us both.

[Raging Bull]

Your comment might have been a bit premature Duncan in view of the statement released on the Official Site. Too much media reporting with a slant.

 

Here here. NC has our intrests at heart & as previously mentioned its the scummy mouthpiece making all the noise