Jump to content

oh yes it is!

Weston Saint

By Weston Saint,
in The Saints

 Share

Recommended Posts

(not THE) Kevin Moore

(not THE) Kevin Moore

Posted
Posted

Am I the only one who sees parallels with Grayson dropping down to manage Leeds to promotion last season? Similar record to Adkins and hopefully a similar outcome.

 

IF this does go through then I'll be delighted, it's a shrewd signing and not the easy 'sign a big name to keep the fans happy' this is a signing with an eye on the short, medium AND long-term (all IMHO of course).

Link to comment
Share on other sites
(not THE) Kevin Moore

(not THE) Kevin Moore

Posted
Posted
Unlikely as Phil Brown has spoken to the media two or three times already which NC won't like. I think it has opened the door for Shearer who may have just shown the same timing and opportunism that he displayed as a player. South Today reported his interest last night and it makes me wonder if it has made NC think "do I want to pay £500k for a NPC manager on a 12 month contract" - assuming that is an accurate figure. NC perhaps expected NA to make his decision for him by doing a Paul Lambert but Adkins seems loyal and perhaps this coupled with the comments of his opposite number in Lincolnshire has changed his mind.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Keegan acts as an ad hoc football consultant between Shearer and Les Reed as Keegan and Reed go back years. Keegan and Shearer are both media savvy as well and might help NC clear up his media difficulties.

 

If Shearers MOTD 'punditry' (for want of a better word) is any indication of his football knowledge then he knows less than I do about the game (which isn't very much) and (unlike me) lacks any kind of self-awareness as to the paucity of his knowledge.

 

He might be a former player but he's still a grade 'A' Tunc and I'd rather anyone but Shearer.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dubai_phil

dubai_phil

Posted
Posted

Panto season comes early to South Coast Club

 

Adkins is new Manager

 

Oh no he's not

 

Oh yes he is

 

Oh no he's not

 

 

NC likes to control, I expect there are frantic phone calls and apologies due and people trying to find the leak oop north. Wouldn't be surprised if there were NDA's and this is now a mess that could cost Scunny compensation or a great loss of face for us..

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Red and White Army

Red and White Army

Posted
Posted

Why the hell should Saints pay compensation to Scunny?

 

Not sure what kind of world you guys live in. If another employer wants to sign me, all I have to do is resign from my job and start the new one - with appropriate notice. Why do you think football is any different? It is different for players, as the registration needs to be transferred from the FA but for managers, doctors, coaches etc there is no need to pay compensation to a previous employer if the employee resigns.

 

If Adkins is refusing to resign, it seriously throws Cortese's competence into question. This should have been discussed in the interview and any problems ironed out before Adkins going back to Scunny.

 

I said this was a cheap appointment and it is starting to look like it was being done on the cheap.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
buctootim

buctootim

Posted
Posted
Why the hell should Saints pay compensation to Scunny?

 

Not sure what kind of world you guys live in. If another employer wants to sign me, all I have to do is resign from my job and start the new one - with appropriate notice. Why do you think football is any different?

 

Thats the whole point - in football there usually isnt any notice given -the compensation is in recognition of the fact that the manager is breaking their contract -in this case a 12 month rolling.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
solentstars

solentstars

Posted
Posted
Why the hell should Saints pay compensation to Scunny?

 

Not sure what kind of world you guys live in. If another employer wants to sign me, all I have to do is resign from my job and start the new one - with appropriate notice. Why do you think football is any different? It is different for players, as the registration needs to be transferred from the FA but for managers, doctors, coaches etc there is no need to pay compensation to a previous employer if the employee resigns.

 

If Adkins is refusing to resign, it seriously throws Cortese's competence into question. This should have been discussed in the interview and any problems ironed out before Adkins going back to Scunny.

 

I said this was a cheap appointment and it is starting to look like it was being done on the cheap.

.

maybe hes a guy with morals who does not dump on his friends just for a bit of extra cash.i,ve got more respect for him if thats the case

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ken Tone

Ken Tone

Posted
Posted (edited)
Why can't we just pay scunny the compensation they are quite clearly entitled to. Cortese really is being a c*ck.

 

That's the point isn't it? They are entitled to compensation. If Adkins did just resign then we'd end up with some sort of tribunal fixing compensation anyway, like happens with under 24 year old players.

 

Of course that can be interpreted 2 ways:

 

1) we going to have pay anyway, so why not just do it.

 

2) S****horpe want too much so we'd rather a third party decided how much

 

Meanwhile it appears that Adkins wants the best for his old club (good for him, within reason) . Reminds me of Walcott getting us a good deal from Arsenal when he could have walked, for less.

Edited by Ken Tone
typos
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ashby Saint

Ashby Saint

Posted
Posted
Why the hell should Saints pay compensation to Scunny?

 

Not sure what kind of world you guys live in. If another employer wants to sign me, all I have to do is resign from my job and start the new one - with appropriate notice. Why do you think football is any different? It is different for players, as the registration needs to be transferred from the FA but for managers, doctors, coaches etc there is no need to pay compensation to a previous employer if the employee resigns.

 

If Adkins is refusing to resign, it seriously throws Cortese's competence into question. This should have been discussed in the interview and any problems ironed out before Adkins going back to Scunny.

 

I said this was a cheap appointment and it is starting to look like it was being done on the cheap.

 

Surely, it depends on the terms of the contract?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ken Tone

Ken Tone

Posted
Posted
Next one will be thinking, ah yes I'm now 2nd best to Adkins FFS!

 

 

Exactly

 

IF all this is true, and that is a big if, then this is a complete **** up, even for that reason alone. Who will want to come here now? How much confidence will they have in cortese's support for them?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dubai_phil

dubai_phil

Posted
Posted

Rumours back on Monday from agents that Scunny would be looking for around 350k in compensation. No it wasn't definitive source wise and no I didn't post it as it was not relevant, in hindsight it could be interesting

 

Post by a possible ITK elsewhere that we made a provisional offer with NA resigning and 200k compensation

 

Scunny came back and demanded 500k

 

And they also leaked like a sieve (my opinion)

 

Enough hearsay evidence at the moment to simply say Judgement on NC (& NA) reserved again until anything official comes out

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MarkSFC

MarkSFC

Posted
Posted

Fair play to Cortese. He's doing it his way to get the best deal for his business. I suspect that Wharton has massaged the truth to make this happen. I suspect that the "Southampton have been very difficult to deal with" comment was relating to Cortese saying we would like Adkins but as he's only on 12 month deal and we are paying Adkins far more we aren't offering compo. If Wharton hadn't gone public then the deal would have got sorted but by doing so Wharton has forced Corteses hand. A dirty trick and the best long term strategy for NC is to pull out of the deal. If he pays Compo AFTER whartons public statement he will be in a weaker position going into any future negotiations for players etc.

 

Even though this looks bad I think we should get behind NC wholeheartedly and admire his stance on this.

 

If I were Adkins ID be p***ed at Wharton. Hasn't he done something like this before to stop Adkins going? Have to admire his devotion to his man but at some point that will go from loyalty to prevention of allowing Adkins to develop his career. If all this is the case I suspect Adkins will quit soon, even if he doesn't come here.

 

Losing Adkins isn't bad as many on here thunk there are plenty of other options, but unfairly Cortese has to pull out a PR masterstroke. I'm sure he will.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Miffy

Miffy

Posted
Posted
Shambles.

 

As far as I can see Nothing has been officially said by Saints at all. So all this back a forwards. 'will he, won't he' crap has been stirred up by S****horpe going to press before it was tied up (probably to try and force NC into a corner).

 

If I apply for a job and get it, I resign and my new employer doesn't pay compensation.

 

Wait until there is official news before reaching conclusions, and give NC a break.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Chin Strain

Chin Strain

Posted
Posted
Fair play to Cortese. He's doing it his way to get the best deal for his business. I suspect that Wharton has massaged the truth to make this happen. I suspect that the "Southampton have been very difficult to deal with" comment was relating to Cortese saying we would like Adkins but as he's only on 12 month deal and we are paying Adkins far more we aren't offering compo. If Wharton hadn't gone public then the deal would have got sorted but by doing so Wharton has forced Corteses hand. A dirty trick and the best long term strategy for NC is to pull out of the deal. If he pays Compo AFTER whartons public statement he will be in a weaker position going into any future negotiations for players etc.

 

Even though this looks bad I think we should get behind NC wholeheartedly and admire his stance on this.

 

If I were Adkins ID be p***ed at Wharton. Hasn't he done something like this before to stop Adkins going? Have to admire his devotion to his man but at some point that will go from loyalty to prevention of allowing Adkins to develop his career. If all this is the case I suspect Adkins will quit soon, even if he doesn't come here.

 

Losing Adkins isn't bad as many on here thunk there are plenty of other options, but unfairly Cortese has to pull out a PR masterstroke. I'm sure he will.

 

Depends though Mark - if they were being unreasonable on the compensation then full marks to NC not being held to ransom. If, however, they were being reasonable and we were trying to wriggle out of any sort of compensation then that would suck.

 

A parallel here would be when Walcott left. he could have ripped up his contract as he was only 16 and left for a tribunal fee (probably peanuts). However, he apparently insisted that if he was to leave that Saints get the proper value for his development.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SnailOB

SnailOB

Posted
Posted
I hope it's not what it sounds like. Why shouldn't Adkins want to ensure Scunny get their compensation? He's a good manager and they're a very small club who need the money. He's NC's choice, yet NC doesn't think he's worth paying the compensation for? Hardly backing his own judgement if that's true.

 

I hope it's just negotiating and it'll still go through, otherwise we've unsettled their club and screwed up out own appointment with a second choice and no doubt someone poor. If any truth though, I can imagine it would put Adkins off dealing with NC.

 

As Saints NOR Adkins have made any statement at all regarding offers etc.. do you not think Adkins should be ****ed off with his current chairman ?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
dubai_phil

dubai_phil

Posted
Posted

You know, sometimes you can get to really really hate people.

 

In the midst of all of this I get a txt from a mate who has sod all to do with Saints who says...

 

lol at you lot, MON turns Saints down because of the structure and then you even manage to feck up your SECOND choice.

 

How the hell a rangers fan in Aberdeen would know that I have no idea, but that sort of crap really hurts right now

 

Nick Holmes it is then

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bearsy

Bearsy

Posted
Posted
Why the hell should Saints pay compensation to Scunny?

 

Not sure what kind of world you guys live in. If another employer wants to sign me, all I have to do is resign from my job and start the new one - with appropriate notice.

 

In football the notice period is usual the term of the contract - in this instance reportedly 1 year.

 

Adkins can give notice, but unless compensation is agreed S****horpe are within their rights to make him either work his notice or place him on gardening leave for the notice period, meaning he couldn't start here for a year, by which time we're in League 2.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MarkSFC

MarkSFC

Posted
Posted

 

A parallel here would be when Walcott left. he could have ripped up his contract as he was only 16 and left for a tribunal fee (probably peanuts). However, he apparently insisted that if he was to leave that Saints get the proper value for his development.

 

that's a fair comment, and it was Arsenals choice to pay in the end, as it's our choice in this case.

 

I don't think the issue is us paying compensation. I think the reason the deal is pulled is that Wharton went public and Cortese won't do his deals in public. I like that, it's the right way of acting, unlike Whartons approach!

 

This may cost us a little bad pr in the short term due to shortsightedness by some but in the long term his strategy will do us proud.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...