oh yes it is!

[gjphilsaint]

NA has given Saints an ultimatum .. get it sorted by Monday or the deal is off.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/s****horpe_utd/8991183.stm

[Thedelldays]

Bournemouth, Scunny, the BBC, the printed media.....that's just off the top of my head...why do you think we get bad press?

 

why have we got bad press with the cherries and scunny..? for approaching their manager in the correct way..(which adkins himself has said)

the cherries chairman has only said Howe has turned down the opportunity to come here...

[revolution saint]

NC obviously takes note though .

 

The statement in the week about the ST installment plan and the Statement today about Les Reed's role.

 

Now surely, you don't think that was ONLY aimed at the few fans listening to the pre-match build up on Solent?

 

We are NOT the font of (any) knowledge, we do not influence matters a great deal, however anyone considering taking a job at a senior level in any company will either ask his secretary/agent or fingers to do some googling.

 

This forum took it as read that NC withdrew the ST plan to annoy fans. That opinion was held by many fans who have never heard of a forum, we were wrong

 

What's happened about the ST plan then? the idea that it could be re-introduced when we got swipe cards? Why not say that at the time? it's hardly confidential stuff is it and would have saved a fair bit of bad press.

 

i hope NC does pay attention to this forum. I could then tell him that in the absence of a decent explanantion of why AP and his staff were sacked it's my opinion that he's ****ed up the start of the season and left with potential replacements that on paper could only hope to be as good as AP.

[Thedelldays]

What's happened about the ST plan then? the idea that it could be re-introduced when we got swipe cards? Why not say that at the time? it's hardly confidential stuff is it and would have saved a fair bit of bad press.

 

i hope NC does pay attention to this forum. I could then tell him that in the absence of a decent explanantion of why AP and his staff were sacked it's my opinion that he's ****ed up the start of the season and left with potential replacements that on paper could only hope to be as good as AP.

maybe he cant say as it will break confidentiality or even legal reasons as to why pards is gone..?

 

if it was for NON football related stuff...then it could be pretty sensitive for him, the club, pardew and maybe the players..?

[revolution saint]

why have we got bad press with the cherries and scunny..? for approaching their manager in the correct way..(which adkins himself has said)

the cherries chairman has only said Howe has turned down the opportunity to come here...

 

Clearly there's a credibility issue if Howe turned us down? And the Scunny chairman said we were difficult...you already know this....why do you think we get bad press?

[Thedelldays]

Clearly there's a credibility issue if Howe turned us down? And the Scunny chairman said we were difficult...you already know this....why do you think we get bad press?

 

so what if howe turned us down.....MLT turned everyone down..would you say he had credibility issues..???? or chelsea, spurs or man u at those times had credibility issues..?

of course the scunny chairman said we are difficult..he is hardly going to be all nice and fluffy in handing over his clubs greatest ever manager...

go on to various scunny forums, they also think mr wharton is "difficult".....shocker

[revolution saint]

maybe he cant say as it will break confidentiality or even legal reasons as to why pards is gone..?

 

if it was for NON football related stuff...then it could be pretty sensitive for him, the club, pardew and maybe the players..?

 

And in the absence of any explanation you can conclude either it was disciplinary (unlikely given three members of staff went) or that it was because AP just didn't fit. Given the rumours over the summer I know which one I'd choose.

[Thedelldays]

And in the absence of any explanation you can conclude either it was disciplinary (unlikely given three members of staff went) or that it was because AP just didn't fit. Given the rumours over the summer I know which one I'd choose.

 

maybe something happened and the other members of the staff covered up for pardew...

again, who knows lets just make it all up in the mean time

 

 

either way, pardew has gone and is not coming back....lets move on while the season is still alive and not eat ourselves in the quest for knowing everything

[revolution saint]

so what if howe turned us down.....MLT turned everyone down..would you say he had credibility issues..???? or chelsea, spurs or man u at those times had credibility issues..?

of course the scunny chairman said we are difficult..he is hardly going to be all nice and fluffy in handing over his clubs greatest ever manager...

go on to various scunny forums, they also think mr wharton is "difficult".....shocker

 

You'd go a long way to find a more unpopular chief exec though. Finally why do you think we get bad press? I notice you're not too good at that point? Is it because we are just misunderstood?

[Thedelldays]

You'd go a long way to find a more unpopular chief exec though. ?

 

really...try mr stapleton here in plymouth...there you go, did not have to look far.

[revolution saint]

really...try mr stapleton here in plymouth...there you go, did not have to look far.

 

Still not answering the question though are you? And for the record no one knows who the plymouth chairman is pretty much everyone knows who the south club are now....

[Thedelldays]

Still not answering the question though are you? And for the record no one knows who the plymouth chairman is pretty much everyone knows who the south club are now....

 

for two reasons....lets say plymouth get a billionaire owner..i bet everyone will know alot more about them

and lets say plymouth win a wembley cup..I bet more people will know more about them..

 

you seriously seem to think so many actually care what we are refered to in the press (outside of soton and saints fans) when in reality, most just chuckle and move on with their day...

[A Nut Can Cut You]

NA has given Saints an ultimatum .. get it sorted by Monday or the deal is off.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/s****horpe_utd/8991183.stm

 

Could be an ultimatum to the Scunny chairman considering he said he'd talk to him about it tonight. Adkins also said there is a major discrepancy between the compensation demanded and the compensation offered.

 

If Adkins feels like he's being held hostage by the Scunny chairman because of his loyalty to the club, I think he might walk out on them and explain it by saying he gave the Scunny chairman all the opportunity to find a reasonable solution, but that he couldn't allow his loyalty to be abused. Just MHO.

[Special K]

NA has given Saints an ultimatum .. get it sorted by Monday or the deal is off.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/s****horpe_utd/8991183.stm

 

This is turning into a bit of a joke. It hasn't been handled well at all and is all a bit embarrassing. I hope NC learns a few lessons from this.

[del boy]

Funny how, once again, everyone seems to know exactly what happening....except we don't really do we!

 

Lets wait and see, and get behind the new manager. I know its not our style, crucify before the first game comes more naturally, but somethings got to change hasn't it?

[NickG]

what has been wrong then?

[Thedelldays]

This is turning into a bit of a joke. It hasn't been handled well at all and is all a bit embarrassing. I hope NC learns a few lessons from this.

 

just been on a scunny board and one or two of them are blaming their own chairman for this mess......oh well

[Pilchards]

I'm on holiday at the moment and I've had a chance to view our forum.

So let's get this right.

 

We had 30 applications for the Saints Job and it's come down to someone called Adkins and Howe has turned us down after hearing that Adkins was offered it first.

 

Was the other 28 applications from complete muppets then because I can't help thinking Howe and Adkins are the very bottom of the cheap option barrel.

 

What the **** is wrong with this club?

Show some balls with ambition please as I hate division one football.

[Thedelldays]

I'm on holiday at the moment and I've had a chance to view our forum.

So let's get this right.

 

We had 30 applications for the Saints Job and it's come down to someone called Adkins and Howe has turned us down after hearing that Adkins was offered it first.

 

Was the other 28 applications from complete muppets then because I can't help thinking Howe and Adkins are the very bottom of the cheap option barrel.

 

What the **** is wrong with this club?

Show some balls with ambition please as I hate division one football.

 

seriously..who were you expecting..?

[S-Clarke]

People are being very harsh on Adkins and very ignorant as to what he's achieved, at a club in a higher league than us.

[thorpie the sinner]

I think you know who we want!!

[croydonsaint]

If this forum is any reflection of the over all Southampton fan base we do not deserve success. There were many that actually thought M.O.N. was a real possability. Very arrogant. Some of the abuse and unfounded negative comments about Cortese is bordering on pathetic and actually quite offensive. I know the point of a forum is to comment but too many of the comments are simply ridiculous.

Dont get me wrong, we have enough to be concerned about but is it not possible to get some perspective. I bet if we won the next three games the same people will be saying we will win the league by a mile.

I for one think we will be in the top 6 by the end of the season and Cortese will be better equipped next season, because i am sure he will have learned a lot of lessons over the past few months.

Our squad has not become as poor as our results have shown and although i do not think we will immediately start winning every game it is not all doom and gloom. We do have one of the best squads in the division, fact and maybe time will prove me wrong, but i do have faith in Cortese to get it right in the long run.

[Santo]

If this forum is any reflection of the over all Southampton fan base we do not deserve success. There were many that actually thought M.O.N. was a real possability. Very arrogant. Some of the abuse and unfounded negative comments about Cortese is bordering on pathetic and actually quite offensive. I know the point of a forum is to comment but too many of the comments are simply ridiculous.

Dont get me wrong, we have enough to be concerned about but is it not possible to get some perspective. I bet if we won the next three games the same people will be saying we will win the league by a mile.

I for one think we will be in the top 6 by the end of the season and Cortese will be better equipped next season, because i am sure he will have learned a lot of lessons over the past few months.

Our squad has not become as poor as our results have shown and although i do not think we will immediately start winning every game it is not all doom and gloom. We do have one of the best squads in the division, fact and maybe time will prove me wrong, but i do have faith in Cortese to get it right in the long run.

 

you'll never work in this town again if you continue to make sensible posts like this

[dubai_phil]

I'm on holiday at the moment and I've had a chance to view our forum.

So let's get this right.

 

We had 30 applications for the Saints Job and it's come down to someone called Adkins and Howe has turned us down after hearing that Adkins was offered it first.

 

Was the other 28 applications from complete muppets then because I can't help thinking Howe and Adkins are the very bottom of the cheap option barrel.

 

What the **** is wrong with this club?

Show some balls with ambition please as I hate division one football.

 

Hope the holiday is good Pilchards, we've needed your tree climbing expertise these past weeks.

 

It's quite simple really, we interviewed a number of people. Each time we interviewed one, their wife, agent, cousin, lover, chairman decided that they were obviously getting the job and went off to get their names in the press.

 

Most of those comments were shown to be not quite exactly word for word how events had unfolded, but that did not stop the opening of old closets and garages and dusting off the pitchforks and torches that last saw the light of day with Rupes.

 

Either that or we just watched the single most incompetent recruitment process in the history of football.

 

Basically, nobody believes a word our club has said in the past 12 days or so.

[del boy]

If this forum is any reflection of the over all Southampton fan base we do not deserve success. There were many that actually thought M.O.N. was a real possability. Very arrogant. Some of the abuse and unfounded negative comments about Cortese is bordering on pathetic and actually quite offensive. I know the point of a forum is to comment but too many of the comments are simply ridiculous.

Dont get me wrong, we have enough to be concerned about but is it not possible to get some perspective. I bet if we won the next three games the same people will be saying we will win the league by a mile.

I for one think we will be in the top 6 by the end of the season and Cortese will be better equipped next season, because i am sure he will have learned a lot of lessons over the past few months.

Our squad has not become as poor as our results have shown and although i do not think we will immediately start winning every game it is not all doom and gloom. We do have one of the best squads in the division, fact and maybe time will prove me wrong, but i do have faith in Cortese to get it right in the long run.

 

Well said

[SarniaSaint]

NC obviously takes note though .

 

The statement in the week about the ST installment plan and the Statement today about Les Reed's role.

 

Now surely, you don't think that was ONLY aimed at the few fans listening to the pre-match build up on Solent?

 

We are NOT the font of (any) knowledge, we do not influence matters a great deal, however anyone considering taking a job at a senior level in any company will either ask his secretary/agent or fingers to do some googling.

 

This forum took it as read that NC withdrew the ST plan to annoy fans. That opinion was held by many fans who have never heard of a forum, we were wrong

 

What was this cn't find it on the OS.

 

Ok just seen it on another thread.

Edited 11 September, 2010 by SarniaSaint

[dubai_phil]

What was this cn't find it on the OS.

 

Radio Solent

Not "A source close to the club" but specifically from Cortese who found the Solent reporter and spoke to him. Was made about 5 or 10 mins before kick off"

 

NC spoke to Adam Templeton before the game at Swindon and made it very clear with the words Les Reed Has Never Is Never nor will be involved in First Team decisions, he is emplyed to run Staplewood and the football development.

It was quoted as a direct quote.

 

I can only assume that the issue has caused annoyance at the club and has been made public. May well be added to any up coming statement as it is clearly an issue causing some harm (probably to the process of finding a new manager IMHO)

[SarniaSaint]

Radio Solent

Not "A source close to the club" but specifically from Cortese who found the Solent reporter and spoke to him. Was made about 5 or 10 mins before kick off"

 

NC spoke to Adam Templeton before the game at Swindon and made it very clear with the words Les Reed Has Never Is Never nor will be involved in First Team decisions, he is emplyed to run Staplewood and the football development.

It was quoted as a direct quote.

 

I can only assume that the issue has caused annoyance at the club and has been made public. May well be added to any up coming statement as it is clearly an issue causing some harm (probably to the process of finding a new manager IMHO)

 

Thanks Phil hopefully that puts to rest a concern I've had for awhile.

[saint lard]

Thanks Phil hopefully that puts to rest a concern I've had for awhile.

 

Erectile disfunction?

 

 

God i'm bored and fed up with it all.

Apologies for being facetious.

[SarniaSaint]

Erectile disfunction?

 

 

God i'm bored and fed up with it all.

Apologies for being facetious.

 

Accepted

[Dr Who?]

Into day 13 now..... I really should try and get some sleep!

[Saint Fan CaM]

Adkins needs to be taking training Monday latest. Get the job done Nicola - don't delay another day longer for the sake of a few £'s....it's not worth it now....we're third from bottom...Bournemouth are 3rd. I think a little urgency could be the order of the day?!?!?

[SaintRobbie]

underwhelmed, it has to be said

 

NC has really screwed this up. Pardew out for this bloke in? Madness.

 

NC I'm afraid to say is the one who needs to be sacked and Pardew reinstated. My patience after yesterdays result is now finished.

 

NC OUT.

[Bearsy]

I suspect NC underestimated the negative effect Pardew's sacking would have on team results. If he had known surely he would have been more pragmatic.

 

Regardless of what Pardew's misconduct may have been the important thing once the season has started is to get results, and it surely would have been more sensible to leave him in place for the short term.

 

If this was a TV movie the VoiceOver would be suggesting Nicola's decision making has been affected by grief, but I don't think real life is like that.

[Channon's Sideburns]

TBF to Cortese Merrington was ranting about Les Reed's role BEFORE Cortese found Adam Blackmore. There's possibly your reason.

 

Also, another reason why Cortese doesn't like the 'old guard' - too quick to spout off with no thought of the consequences.

 

I love Dave Merrington, but he needs to back up his words with evidence - how's Asturius Dave? Or did MLT preach it as gospel?

[modern matron]

Radio Solent

Not "A source close to the club" but specifically from Cortese who found the Solent reporter and spoke to him. Was made about 5 or 10 mins before kick off"

 

NC spoke to Adam Templeton before the game at Swindon and made it very clear with the words Les Reed Has Never Is Never nor will be involved in First Team decisions, he is emplyed to run Staplewood and the football development.

It was quoted as a direct quote.

 

I can only assume that the issue has caused annoyance at the club and has been made public. May well be added to any up coming statement as it is clearly an issue causing some harm (probably to the process of finding a new manager IMHO)

 

Frankly this shows what a farce things have become. Why aren't the club communicating with fans, the press and Solent. What is NC so paranoid about? Silence creates rumours....

[Windmill Arm 2]

Adkins needs to be taking training Monday latest. Get the job done Nicola - don't delay another day longer for the sake of a few £'s....it's not worth it now....we're third from bottom...Bournemouth are 3rd. I think a little urgency could be the order of the day?!?!?

If you believe that then you are a fecking moron!

[huggleman]

Adkins has stated he wants to be in place here by Monday morning or will be staying at Iron, which chairman is that likely to please? I feel Scvnthorpe will be loving this, they just need to hold out for 1 more day for a stupid amount of compo and they've done exactly what they wanted!

 

On a side note the title of this thread is starting to become 1 hell of a read before you even start reading the thread itself lol

[Topcat]

If you believe that then you are a fecking moron!

 

Which bit of

Adkins needs to be taking training Monday latest. Get the job done Nicola - don't delay another day longer for the sake of a few £'s....it's not worth it now....we're third from bottom...Bournemouth are 3rd. I think a little urgency could be the order of the day?

makes him a moron?

[St Jim]

I love this - we're all f - ing experts on the goings on at SMS. I've got a novel idea, why don't we wait for the announcement on the OS and why don't we give the new manager a chance before we criticise (who gives a toss about WOW factor - I'd rather have a manager who is right for the job as opposed to a manager who is more famous).

[Crispypie]

what was siad about the ST's? (Triied to search but on a rubbish mobile, sorry)

[SaintNeil90]

Adkins needs to be taking training Monday latest. Get the job done Nicola - don't delay another day longer for the sake of a few £'s....it's not worth it now....we're third from bottom...Bournemouth are 3rd. I think a little urgency could be the order of the day?!?!?

 

If you believe that then you are a fecking moron!

 

Which bit of makes him a moron?

 

How does that make him a moron?

 

It has to be done as soon as possible to get us back on track!

[SaintNeil90]

what was siad about the ST's? (Triied to search but on a rubbish mobile, sorry)

 

We are all being given a ST for life. Did you not get the message?

[Weston Saint]

This is getting a bit stupid now. Adkins has made it clear he wants his position resolved this weekend. He hints as best he can that he wants to come here. "It's a fantastic opportunity and opportunities only come around so many times in your life. "I'd like to think I've stuck by my principles. But there is still an opportunity for Nigel Adkins to become Southampton's manager."

 

The situation seems to be compensation. We have made an offer which has been rejected, as has their counter offer.

 

Cortese has bought this to a head by allegedly turning to Eddie Howe and offering him the job. Unfortunately/Fortunately (take your pick) he declined. Cortese must be strong.

 

IF Adkins wants the job so bad he needs to review his principles. He says he will not let his former employers be out of pocket but if they cannot agree compensation then resign and let a tribunal set the compensation. That is what it is for, to make sure all is fair.

 

Cortese may see all this as a lack of hunger and commitment for the job. These are important attributes.

 

Hopefully it will be resolved today. If not Cortese must move on and make an an offer to others he may have on his radar. The first team is rudderless, in need of total overall of tactics, ideas and to some extent personnel. The loan window opens soon. Negotiations will be underway now. We need a first team Manager to make those picks.

[The Rover]

This is getting a bit stupid now. Adkins has made it clear he wants his position resolved this weekend. He hints as best he can that he wants to come here. "It's a fantastic opportunity and opportunities only come around so many times in your life. "I'd like to think I've stuck by my principles. But there is still an opportunity for Nigel Adkins to become Southampton's manager."

 

The situation seems to be compensation. We have made an offer which has been rejected, as has their counter offer.

 

Cortese has bought this to a head by allegedly turning to Eddie Howe and offering him the job. Unfortunately/Fortunately (take your pick) he declined. Cortese must be strong.

 

IF Adkins wants the job so bad he needs to review his principles. He says he will not let his former employers be out of pocket but if they cannot agree compensation then resign and let a tribunal set the compensation. That is what it is for, to make sure all is fair.

 

Cortese may see all this as a lack of hunger and commitment for the job. These are important attributes.

 

Hopefully it will be resolved today. If not Cortese must move on and make an an offer to others he may have on his radar. The first team is rudderless, in need of total overall of tactics, ideas and to some extent personnel. The loan window opens soon. Negotiations will be underway now. We need a first team Manager to make those picks.

 

Couldn't agree more. Adkins has shown loyalty to S****horpe by giving the Chairmen a chance to agree compensation.

 

If he continues to let any impasse block his move he is being a fool to himself, unless he's getting cold feet in which case we don't want him.

 

If there is no agreement today and he won't commit, let's find someone who will.

 

NB From what was said on Solent yesterday it seems to me that Howe probably wasn't actually offered the job and backed out well before Adkins was.

[surrey1saint]

This is getting a bit stupid now. Adkins has made it clear he wants his position resolved this weekend. He hints as best he can that he wants to come here. "It's a fantastic opportunity and opportunities only come around so many times in your life. "I'd like to think I've stuck by my principles. But there is still an opportunity for Nigel Adkins to become Southampton's manager."

 

The situation seems to be compensation. We have made an offer which has been rejected, as has their counter offer.

 

Cortese has bought this to a head by allegedly turning to Eddie Howe and offering him the job. Unfortunately/Fortunately (take your pick) he declined. Cortese must be strong.

 

IF Adkins wants the job so bad he needs to review his principles. He says he will not let his former employers be out of pocket but if they cannot agree compensation then resign and let a tribunal set the compensation. That is what it is for, to make sure all is fair.

 

Cortese may see all this as a lack of hunger and commitment for the job. These are important attributes.

 

Hopefully it will be resolved today. If not Cortese must move on and make an an offer to others he may have on his radar. The first team is rudderless, in need of total overall of tactics, ideas and to some extent personnel. The loan window opens soon. Negotiations will be underway now. We need a first team Manager to make those picks.

 

In complete agreement here to....sort it out.

[krissyboy31]

This is getting a bit stupid now. Adkins has made it clear he wants his position resolved this weekend. He hints as best he can that he wants to come here. "It's a fantastic opportunity and opportunities only come around so many times in your life. "I'd like to think I've stuck by my principles. But there is still an opportunity for Nigel Adkins to become Southampton's manager."

 

The situation seems to be compensation. We have made an offer which has been rejected, as has their counter offer.

 

Cortese has bought this to a head by allegedly turning to Eddie Howe and offering him the job. Unfortunately/Fortunately (take your pick) he declined. Cortese must be strong.

 

IF Adkins wants the job so bad he needs to review his principles. He says he will not let his former employers be out of pocket but if they cannot agree compensation then resign and let a tribunal set the compensation. That is what it is for, to make sure all is fair.

 

Cortese may see all this as a lack of hunger and commitment for the job. These are important attributes.

 

Hopefully it will be resolved today. If not Cortese must move on and make an an offer to others he may have on his radar. The first team is rudderless, in need of total overall of tactics, ideas and to some extent personnel. The loan window opens soon. Negotiations will be underway now. We need a first team Manager to make those picks.

 

I agree but don't know exactly how these contracts work. If Atkins resigns and no compensation is agreed, could Scu nthorpe hold him to a notice period or place him on gardening leave until a notice period has been served? Certainly happens in other walks of life!

[Stu Man Do]

I agree but don't know exactly how these contracts work. If Atkins resigns and no compensation is agreed, could Scu nthorpe hold him to a notice period or place him on gardening leave until a notice period has been served? Certainly happens in other walks of life!

 

Last year Lambert left Colchester for Norwich after resigning. If memory serves the compo was only sorted in the summer by tribunal so doesnt seem to have affected his ability to start work as soon as he had resigned.

 

As others have said clearly we need some direction at the moment and need the new bloke in ASAP else next weeks result is already a foregone conclusion! :-(

[Fowllyd]

I agree but don't know exactly how these contracts work. If Atkins resigns and no compensation is agreed, could Scu nthorpe hold him to a notice period or place him on gardening leave until a notice period has been served? Certainly happens in other walks of life!

 

If memory serves, this is exactly what happened when Alan Pardew left Reading to join West Ham - he had to wait for a month or more before he was able to start work at Upton Park. Such things depend on the terms of the individual's contract, so with no knowledge of Adkins' contract at Scunny we can only speculate. Still, at least we'll be playing to our strengths!

[SaintRichmond]

If Adkins is still sticking to his "Principals", then, though I admire that quality, I'm afraid he is only deluding himself

 

Football does not have any principals in this day and age

 

The only thing his "Principlals" stance has done, is give his Chairman (Wharton) mor amunition in terms of the asking price

 

The best thing Adkins could do is WISE UP to the real world