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Why has clotese not resigned yet after his humilation be eddie howe yesterday ?

 

Press: "Saints are looking for a new manager and surely Eddie Howe of Bournemouth will be in the frame"

 

Mitchell to Howe: "Eddie, the press are linking you to the Southampton job, any truth in it?"

 

Howe to Mitchell: "No Mr Mitchell, sir. I am happy here why would I want to leave?"

 

Mitchell to Press: "I spoke to Eddie and he says he is not interested in the Saints job"

 

Press: "Eddie Howe turns down the chance to become Southampton manager."

 

See, it was probably as easy as that nipper! No one has told a lie; Eddie Howe does not want the job - fine but he was never offered it because he did not apply. Stop turning rumour in to fact (although I have to say 90% of posters on here are very good at that). Saints are conducting their business in dignified silence while others can't keep their mouths shut and attempt to use the press to spin and manipulate. Frankly, I am impressed at NC's style and find it laughable how many on here see him as a hot headed, impulsive tyrant!

MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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Why do people just make up 'possible' scenarios that may have occurred, rather than just wait and see what happens?

 

Just offering an alternative "possibility" to that the press make up!!

Professor

Professor

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Looks like Cortese may have met his match in Steve Wharton. Wharton did not want to lose his manager and knew him well enough to be confident that Adkins would not be disloyal to his present club, despite seeing the Saints job as good career move. Now we hear from the Echo (which seems to have reported all the stages accurately so far), that Cortese had gone to CH for the weekend but has had to return quickly to finalise the deal with Wharton.

 

If so, TG if it will soon be over, but you can't help thinking this should have been settled on Wednesday to avoid the bad impression that has been created. Wharton knew what he wanted, which was to keep his manager if possible and if not, to get the best price he could for his club. This is just how Cortese would have felt if it had been the other way round so maybe he should have recognised that from the beginning, but if he gets his man today or tomorrow, it will be good to put all this behind us..

trousers

trousers

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Press: "Saints are looking for a new manager and surely Eddie Howe of Bournemouth will be in the frame"

 

Mitchell to Howe: "Eddie, the press are linking you to the Southampton job, any truth in it?"

 

Howe to Mitchell: "No Mr Mitchell, sir. I am happy here why would I want to leave?"

 

Mitchell to Press: "I spoke to Eddie and he says he is not interested in the Saints job"

 

Press: "Eddie Howe turns down the chance to become Southampton manager."

 

See, it was probably as easy as that nipper! No one has told a lie; Eddie Howe does not want the job - fine but he was never offered it because he did not apply. Stop turning rumour in to fact (although I have to say 90% of posters on here are very good at that). Saints are conducting their business in dignified silence while others can't keep their mouths shut and attempt to use the press to spin and manipulate. Frankly, I am impressed at NC's style and find it laughable how many on here see him as a hot headed, impulsive tyrant!

 

This forum is no such place for common sense posts such as this!

 

Hang your head in shame!

NickG

NickG

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Looks like Cortese may have met his match in Steve Wharton. Wharton did not want to lose his manager and knew him well enough to be confident that Adkins would not be disloyal to his present club, despite seeing the Saints job as good career move. Now we hear from the Echo (which seems to have reported all the stages accurately so far), that Cortese had gone to CH for the weekend but has had to return quickly to finalise the deal with Wharton.

 

If so, TG if it will soon be over, but you can't help thinking this should have been settled on Wednesday to avoid the bad impression that has been created. Wharton knew what he wanted, which was to keep his manager if possible and if not, to get the best price he could for his club. This is just how Cortese would have felt if it had been the other way round so maybe he should have recognised that from the beginning, but if he gets his man today or tomorrow, it will be good to put all this behind us..

 

met in his match in that Wharton now has a manager who has said he wants to manage us and has pointed out Wharton has been lying to the press? Think Cortese holds the cards.

slickmick

slickmick

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Why do people just make up 'possible' scenarios that may have occurred, rather than just wait and see what happens?

 

Cortese flying to switzerland to ask the Leibherr family if we can fund Martin O'Neils salary. : )

shurlock

shurlock

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Looks like Cortese may have met his match in Steve Wharton. Wharton did not want to lose his manager and knew him well enough to be confident that Adkins would not be disloyal to his present club, despite seeing the Saints job as good career move. Now we hear from the Echo (which seems to have reported all the stages accurately so far), that Cortese had gone to CH for the weekend but has had to return quickly to finalise the deal with Wharton.

 

If so, TG if it will soon be over, but you can't help thinking this should have been settled on Wednesday to avoid the bad impression that has been created. Wharton knew what he wanted, which was to keep his manager if possible and if not, to get the best price he could for his club. This is just how Cortese would have felt if it had been the other way round so maybe he should have recognised that from the beginning, but if he gets his man today or tomorrow, it will be good to put all this behind us..

 

Lets not forget that Wharton is pretty loathed up in S****horpe - the idea that he is trying to extract as much for a poor, little family club doesn't wash with their lot in that - in recent years, proceeds from transfers etc have rarely been reinvested in the team. He is regarded as a mercenary and blamed for not allowing NA to kick on and push the team up the league. There a difference between takingthe p i$$ and doing the best for your club. Given his previous, playing hardball with Wharton has probably not been as disruptive or futile as you suggest. At any rate, negotiations were held up a day or two - no skin off anyone's nose- it wasn't as if NA would have been installed and ready to have a material influence on the Swindon game.

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Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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Day 12 in the big Southampton house.

 

With regards to NC being in Switzerland. I think the deal is done all signed ready for Sunday or Monday. Adkins will have his big farewell today and will then join Saints. NC has done his part now so he will be back tomorrow or Monday so that we can have a press release.

Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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Ok should have read the echo report first. Seems like Adkins was left alone to get on with training yesterday and get everything ready for his last game with Scunny. NC will be back for today's game and will probably open talks again tomorrow.

 

But you could also read into this that NC really is up to something and has someone else in mind and my reject Adkins at the last minute for this other person!

 

Amazing what you can get out of reading something, but would you really let a manager just get on with his business while you put everything on hold and fly off to Switzerland?

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Morning all.

 

It seems that we are back to "Oh, yes it is" again:

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8386200.Chairman_flies_in_to_boost_hopes_of_signing_new_Saints_boss/?ref=rss

 

Excellent news IMO.

 

That contradicts the comments from Wharton that he couldn't speak to NC because he was flying back from Switzerland

 

Clearly nobody from a small town paper has ever heard of day trips to Europe for business

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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If this is right, (Echo and all that), why was NC in Switzerland? Surely he should have been negotiating YESTERDAY not on his return - or is he speaking to a foreign coach?

 

Are his bosses and paymasters not in Switzerland???

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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Press: "Saints are looking for a new manager and surely Eddie Howe of Bournemouth will be in the frame"

 

Mitchell to Howe: "Eddie, the press are linking you to the Southampton job, any truth in it?"

 

Howe to Mitchell: "No Mr Mitchell, sir. I am happy here why would I want to leave?"

 

Mitchell to Press: "I spoke to Eddie and he says he is not interested in the Saints job"

 

Press: "Eddie Howe turns down the chance to become Southampton manager."

!

 

Exactly how I see it!

John B

John B

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Perhaps posters in Dubai have never heard of mobile phones!!

 

But Seriously I wonder as the Money is at St Mary's belongs to the family does Cortese have to justify what he spending Compensation for Pardew Downes Murdoch and S****horpe and therefore could not commit to the S****horpe until he had agreement from Switzerland

 

Although I cannot think the S****horpe compensation was that much and I doubt whether Adkins would be earning more than Pardew

Weston Saint

Weston Saint

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Or is it just that Cortese asked for a compensation offer, rejected and countered only to find that rejected, went after Eddie Howe who allegedly turned us down and then went to Switzerland. Scunny Chairman then says he cannot get hold of him! So the ball is in the Scunny Chairmans court and Cortese now has a stronger hand. Adkins wants to come. It is just a case of his present Chairman getting a fair deal.

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Perhaps posters in Dubai have never heard of mobile phones!!

 

But Seriously I wonder as the Money is at St Mary's belongs to the family does Cortese have to justify what he spending Compensation for Pardew Downes Murdoch and S****horpe and therefore could not commit to the S****horpe until he had agreement from Switzerland

 

Although I cannot think the S****horpe compensation was that much and I doubt whether Adkins would be earning more than Pardew

 

Lol

 

There was a quote by Wharton that he was seeking to speak to NC to discuss Compensation, however he could not contact him as he was returning from Switzerland.

That quote is about 2 pages back and on a Scunny media report.

 

The Echo states that Wharton spoke on the phone and implies the trip to Switzerland into something that was a weekend break and then became changed.

 

Just my point that NC may have flown there for a day seemed to have been overlooked in the Echo article.

 

The POINT is, why does it differ by 180 degrees from what Wharton is reported to have said "oop north" just odd that's all

modern matron

modern matron

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Perhaps posters in Dubai have never heard of mobile phones!!

 

But Seriously I wonder as the Money is at St Mary's belongs to the family does Cortese have to justify what he spending Compensation for Pardew Downes Murdoch and S****horpe and therefore could not commit to the S****horpe until he had agreement from Switzerland

 

Although I cannot think the S****horpe compensation was that much and I doubt whether Adkins would be earning more than Pardew

 

That's crazy, surely a phone call could sort things out. I think all of this is daft. If we lose today, AND we still have no manager NC will get slaughtered ....

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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True, but if I was his boss, I would be thinkiing the appoinment of a new manager was the priority.....

 

Another possible scenario could be...

 

NC Interviews 5 or 6 candidates

 

He produces a list of the preferred choices including the costs involved

 

He flies to Switzerland to make a presentation to the owners for 1) Their perusal/approval and/or 2) Their approval of the budget/costs involved.

 

If nothing else I would expect the dismissal of the Pardew group will have incurred substantial costs which will have affected his budget for the year.

 

A Chairman is employed by the owners perhaps they may want to have somebody tell them what is going on first? If there is a face to face involved then to me it suggests he needs a decision ratified.

modern matron

modern matron

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That contradicts the comments from Wharton that he couldn't speak to NC because he was flying back from Switzerland

 

Clearly nobody from a small town paper has ever heard of day trips to Europe for business

 

Surely NC/SW could have negotiated all of this yesterday wherever they were?

 

I also am beginning to doubt how keen NA really is about joining us. Surely by now he would have resigned and forced the issue - it's not for him to be negotiating compensation is it? This has MON at Leicester being persuaded to stay by cheering fans/standing ovation etc...

(not THE) Kevin Moore

(not THE) Kevin Moore

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If nothing else I would expect the dismissal of the Pardew group will have incurred substantial costs which will have affected his budget for the year.

 

 

Well IF he was dismissed fo gross misconduct then it won't have cost the club a bean. There is no obligation to honour any contractual agreements re pay in lieu of notice if someone is dismissed for misconduct.

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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Surely NC/SW could have negotiated all of this yesterday wherever they were?

 

I also am beginning to doubt how keen NA really is about joining us. Surely by now he would have resigned and forced the issue - it's not for him to be negotiating compensation is it? This has MON at Leicester being persuaded to stay by cheering fans/standing ovation etc...

 

Dear Lord MM....

 

Like I said. WHARTON COULDN'T GET HOLD OF CORTESE YESTERDAY. His own words.

 

http://www.championshipforum.co.uk/championship_news_gossip/?p=333

 

Steve Wharton

 

“I have tried to contact the Southampton chairman today but have not been able to get hold of him.

 

As I posted in another link somewhere on this thread that comment was embellished by Wharton saying about NC flying back from Switzerland, which prompted a discussion seeing as NC had a dinner at SMS the night before.

 

And yet the Echo say they spoke.

 

And yet NC was on an airplane

modern matron

modern matron

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Dear Lord MM....

 

Like I said. WHARTON COULDN'T GET HOLD OF CORTESE YESTERDAY. His own words.

 

http://www.championshipforum.co.uk/championship_news_gossip/?p=333

 

 

 

As I posted in another link somewhere on this thread that comment was embellished by Wharton saying about NC flying back from Switzerland, which prompted a discussion seeing as NC had a dinner at SMS the night before.

 

And yet the Echo say they spoke.

 

And yet NC was on an airplane

 

Sorry I don't read every post on this forum so missed your post.

 

However why was NC "unavailable" yesterday - if that is accurate - to sort things out. As for the plane bit, it's only 90 mins away, not long haul so what is your point?

Professor

Professor

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met in his match in that Wharton now has a manager who has said he wants to manage us and has pointed out Wharton has been lying to the press? Think Cortese holds the cards.
I'd love to play cards against you Nick, you'd be such a pushover. LOL
sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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Press: "Saints are looking for a new manager and surely Eddie Howe of Bournemouth will be in the frame"

 

Mitchell to Howe: "Eddie, the press are linking you to the Southampton job, any truth in it?"

 

Howe to Mitchell: "No Mr Mitchell, sir. I am happy here why would I want to leave?"

 

Mitchell to Press: "I spoke to Eddie and he says he is not interested in the Saints job"

 

Press: "Eddie Howe turns down the chance to become Southampton manager."

 

See, it was probably as easy as that nipper! No one has told a lie; Eddie Howe does not want the job - fine but he was never offered it because he did not apply. Stop turning rumour in to fact (although I have to say 90% of posters on here are very good at that). Saints are conducting their business in dignified silence while others can't keep their mouths shut and attempt to use the press to spin and manipulate. Frankly, I am impressed at NC's style and find it laughable how many on here see him as a hot headed, impulsive tyrant!

 

Apparently he was interviewed for the job earlier in the week. Accoding to the Echo it was offered to him.

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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That is dated the 9th of September chap.

 

Have a look before you make a tool of yourself.

 

Yesterday 05:39 PM #760 The boy done well

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Said on Radio Humberside at 5.25 that no deal on compensation yet as Wharton can't get hold of NC who's on his way back from Switzerland. Over there to discuss the compensation payable with the Liebherr family perhaps or even obtain their authority to pay it? Wharton's aiming to speak to him as soon as he's back in the UK

 

 

 

 

Yesterday afternoon.

 

Pointing out that there is a discrepancy in what the media is reporting.

 

That is all.

revolution saint

revolution saint

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you made the statement..I am keeping an open mind

 

No excuses FFS! We have a rich owner and are a big club. We should have a manager and a good one. We shouldn't be in this situation.

 

 

Infuriating that argumentative position isn't it? remind you of anyone?

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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No excuses FFS! We have a rich owner and are a big club. We should have a manager and a good one. We shouldn't be in this situation.

 

 

Infuriating that argumentative position isn't it? remind you of anyone?

there is no excuses for this season...I still expect promotion..

 

what that has to do with keeping an open mind about cortese, I dont know.

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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you made the statement..I am keeping an open mind

 

Are you? You seem to have decided that Pardew was the wrong manager for us and get behind Cortses at every opportunity. I would say that you have a closed mind.

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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No excuses FFS! We have a rich owner and are a big club. We should have a manager and a good one. We shouldn't be in this situation.

 

 

Infuriating that argumentative position isn't it? remind you of anyone?

 

We had a good manager and we may be a rich club but we don't seem intent on buying our way out of this league.

buctootim

buctootim

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Pointing out that there is a discrepancy in what the media is reporting.

 

That is all.

 

Of course there is. The local media is desperate for a story but One side is saying very little, the other

is saying nothing at all. What you read is guesses jazzed up and woven into a story. Different reporters make different suppositions.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Are you? You seem to have decided that Pardew was the wrong manager for us and get behind Cortses at every opportunity. I would say that you have a closed mind.

where have i decided pardew was the wrong manager..?

I thought he was good...no way perfect and made many mistakes..but pretty good for us..

revolution saint

revolution saint

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there is no excuses for this season...I still expect promotion..

 

what that has to do with keeping an open mind about cortese, I dont know.

 

Just pointing out that last season when people were calling for a bit of time and patience and maybe an open mind all you could do was shout No excuses FFS! When people disagreed with you there were "No Excuses FFS!"

 

Why is that you shouted that at Pardew virtually all the time (and Lallana and Scneiderlin until you saw them play) and yet Cortese should be given more time or an open mind? Surely as chief exec he needs to take his share of the blame?

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Just pointing out that last season when people were calling for a bit of time and patience and maybe an open mind all you could do was shout No excuses FFS! When people disagreed with you there were "No Excuses FFS!"

 

Why is that you shouted that at Pardew virtually all the time (and Lallana and Scneiderlin until you saw them play) and yet Cortese should be given more time or an open mind? Surely as chief exec he needs to take his share of the blame?

 

that last bit..you are getting me very confused with alpine saint..I have rarely giving morgan or lallana stick...more so when this place was not very morgan friendly 12 months ago.

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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where have i decided pardew was the wrong manager..?

I thought he was good...no way perfect and made many mistakes..but pretty good for us..

 

I may be wrong but didn't you start the thread early last season not if but when we sack him? I think you were quite critical of Pardew last season weren't you?

revolution saint

revolution saint

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that last bit..you are getting me very confused with alpine saint..I have rarely giving morgan or lallana stick...more so when this place was not very morgan friendly 12 months ago.

 

You apologised after the Bristol Rovers home game.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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I may be wrong but didn't you start the thread early last season not if but when we sack him? I think you were quite critical of Pardew last season weren't you?

 

I was ciritical of the start and I thought we blew the chances we had of the plaoffs...we were not very far off at all at xmas and did not really make much ground up in the last few months however, we went on some great winning runs..but in no way did I think pardew would be or should be sacked...other have been and openly said so..

Clifford Nelson

Clifford Nelson

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Hi Bert/Bill.

 

There is another scenario that could yet take over. Adkins has called this a life changing opportunity. It's easy to demonstrate a principled position provided all parties are behaving in a reasonable manner. If the compensation asked is inflated it will very quickly change Adkins perception. I would expect him until 5pm tomorrow to be relaxed about it but then I can see the position changing. If the sum is reasonable it will be SFC he will probably ditch as not worth the bother , however if the figure is inflated I would expect him to issue his own ultimatum to his chairman along the lines of 'sort this out, it's not SFC, you are costing me this move and I'm not going to let that happen, so either agree a realistic figure or I'll resign and you can let the tribunal stipulate the compensation, either way I'm going to Southampton'

 

That is, of course Dave, that he will be told what the figures are that are under negotiation. There is always a problem with having strong principles in an unprincipled world. And for that matter, what is the "right" compensation for a manager/player/house/car? The right price tends to be what anybody is prepared to pay, compared with how desperate the buyer is to sell. All of these positions are like attached to rubber bands, and that includes Nigel Adkins's.

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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I was ciritical of the start and I thought we blew the chances we had of the plaoffs...we were not very far off at all at xmas and did not really make much ground up in the last few months however, we went on some great winning runs..but in no way did I think pardew would be or should be sacked...other have been and openly said so..

 

Did you start that thread last season?

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