Kevin Keegan

[Miltonaggro]

All this about Keegan being a serial quitter is somewhat misleading, he was with Newcastle for five years in his first spell, then both Fulham and England for just over a year each, followed by four years at Man City, before the Wisegate Newcastle debacle (any manager worth his salt would have quit over that situation). Compared to the revolving door at SMS in the last few years Keegan is in line for a long service award!

 

The fact that he wanted the job last year is significant and the calls for him to be installed as Hamburg manager by their fans earlier this year speaks volumes. The point about KK is that he has done the business in the Premiership and the Football League, if he was appointed with a young assistant of his choice I tend to agree with CBF, that promotion would be 'nailed on' another by product would be unity of purpose among the players and fanbase, something that has been lacking at Saints for far too long...

[channonwindmill]

All this about Keegan being a serial quitter is somewhat misleading, he was with Newcastle for five years in his first spell, then both Fulham and England for just over a year each, followed by four years at Man City, before the Wisegate Newcastle debacle (any manager worth his salt would have quit over that situation). Compared to the revolving door at SMS in the last few years Keegan is in line for a long service award!

 

The fact that he wanted the job last year is significant and the calls for him to be installed as Hamburg manager by their fans earlier this year speaks volumes. The point about KK is that he has done the business in the Premiership and the Football League, if he was appointed with a young assistant of his choice I tend to agree with CBF, that promotion would be 'nailed on' another by product would be unity of purpose among the players and fanbase, something that has been lacking at Saints for far too long...

 

Great post.

[Turkish]

That's funny, in my original post, I made it clear I was no Keegan worshipper and expected him to fail at Newcastle second time round when he was appointed. Not quite deluded and mental. My eyes are wide open.

 

Delusionals look at people who have acheived nothing whatsoever and decide that they would be brilliant two divisions down purely because they were rubbish two divisions higher. That is mental.

 

And yes. If Keegan took over tomorrow we're promoted in May. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Get on board.

 

"Was talking about this the other day and I honestly think that Kevin Keegan is the only guaranteed success from all the available candidates and I include MO'N in that.

 

Keegan will get us promoted, this season, no question, without fail. I truly truly believe it.

 

At this level, with the players we have, all we need is Keegan.

 

We need his star quality, his inspiration, his personality, his passion and drive. Keegan and a couple of hand picked coaches. Organise them. Make them feel ten feet tall. Tell them they can and will win the division. "

 

I have doubt about every single candidate in the frame, except Kevin Keegan. Guaranteed, guaranteed promotion."

 

I would say the above, despite your claims not to be, are symptoms of a Keegan lover. Guarenteed promotion, he is all we need, promtion without question, better than MON who is one of Britains best managers etc. That's assuming he gets his way, nothing goes against him, the going doesn't get a bit tough for him and because of this he doesn't show us a clean pair of heels, right?

 

There you go again, using that word brilliant. I'm not bothering with that argument anymore as you just cant seem to grasp the difference between saying someone is brilliant and someone having a decent chance of being a success. Unless of course you are talking about Keegan.

[saint lard]

All this about Keegan being a serial quitter is somewhat misleading, he was with Newcastle for five years in his first spell, then both Fulham and England for just over a year each, followed by four years at Man City, before the Wisegate Newcastle debacle (any manager worth his salt would have quit over that situation). Compared to the revolving door at SMS in the last few years Keegan is in line for a long service award!

 

The fact that he wanted the job last year is significant and the calls for him to be installed as Hamburg manager by their fans earlier this year speaks volumes. The point about KK is that he has done the business in the Premiership and the Football League, if he was appointed with a young assistant of his choice I tend to agree with CBF, that promotion would be 'nailed on' another by product would be unity of purpose among the players and fanbase, something that has been lacking at Saints for far too long...

 

Shearer.

[yamms_schmitz]

Skybet have stopped taking bets.

[CanadaSaint]

So, Turkish, do you retain that confidence with a Keegan functioning within the clear structure defined by Cortese and Reed?

[Miltonaggro]

Shearer would be the cherry on the Keegan icing on this lovely cake we call SFC! Was it on a Thursday that KK signed last time?...

[Turkish]

So, Turkish, do you retain that confidence with a Keegan functioning within the clear structure defined by Cortese and Reed?

 

Read it again, I am quoting and challanging CB Frys view that Keegan would guarentee us promotion. You need to ask that question to Mr Fry.

[Window Cleaner]

Skybet have stopped taking bets.

 

bets on what??? they'll go broke if they stop taking bets won't they:D

[dubai_phil]

So, Turkish, do you retain that confidence with a Keegan functioning within the clear structure defined by Cortese and Reed?

 

Think it through.

 

KK had Wise in the Reed role. He accepted the concept, just found that Wise had no idea what he was doing (from KK's reaction)

 

KK also had a decent assitant learning his trade alongside him.

 

And he had Ashley, who, let's face it makes our NC seem like a kitten.

 

Add the WoW factor, ex England manager and hero in L1 to bring a sleeping superstar back to life, as well as him wanting to prove himself.

 

Everything works

 

 

(Except NC could of course be worse than Ashley)

[CanadaSaint]

Read it again, I am quoting and challanging CB Frys view that Keegan would guarentee us promotion. You need to ask that question to Mr Fry.

 

Apologies, Turkish.

 

Then I'm aiming that same question at you, CB.

 

BTW, Turkish, did you bold the quote after I replied or am I going nuts?

[Turkish]

Apologies, Turkish.

 

Then I'm aiming that same question at you, CB.

 

BTW, Turkish, did you bold the quote after I replied or am I going nuts?

 

Yes i did, so people did think it was my opinion, like you did

[CanadaSaint]

DP, I'm not so sure that KK "accepted the concept, just found that Wise had no idea what he was doing".

 

That may have been an easy way to frame it after the event, but KK's a passionate guy and I can't see him reacting well to things like Reed's overall guiding hand, a transfer committee, and an interfering Cortese. I can foresee a deja vue all over again.

 

Still, I do think he'd bring a lot and - of all the names touted - would probably galvanize the fan base most. The players I'm not so sure about, because most of them weren't even born when he was a superstar.

[Turkish]

DP, I'm not so sure that KK "accepted the concept, just found that Wise had no idea what he was doing".

 

That may have been an easy way to frame it after the event, but KK's a passionate guy and I can't see him reacting well to things like Reed's overall guiding hand, a transfer committee, and an interfering Cortese. I can foresee a deja vue all over again.

 

Still, I do think he'd bring a lot and - of all the names touted - would probably galvanize the fan base most. The players I'm not so sure about, because most of them weren't even born when he was a superstar.

 

Agree with this, i like the idea of KK as manager, but cant see him wanting or agreeing to not be the main man at the club and have sole owenership over transfers, scouting etc.

[CanadaSaint]

Agree with this, i like the idea of KK as manager, but cant see him wanting or agreeing to not be the main man at the club and have sole owenership over transfers, scouting etc.

 

Thinking on it a bit more, I can remember a rather sneering players' saying back in the days when I was playing - "Show us your medals". The intended implication was very clear - "If you haven't got any, STFU".

 

Wise had medals, Reed has none.

 

I just can't see KK succeeding within that kind of structure, much as I wish he could.

[Big John]

Kev Keegan imho would be idealy suited to our current situation.

 

We have a great team of players, on their day they are an excellent team made up of some very experienced wily players and some naturally gifted younger ones. It is quite a balanced squad.

 

I reckon that KK would be the rocket that they need up their arses right now, we (as a club) may be struggling to lift ourselves out of the sepf-pity that followed Markus' death but we all know that the time for mourning is over and the time fro reflection has been foisted upon us by Pardew's leaving.

 

Kevi Keegan is the messiah who can, and I hope will, lead us to the promised land.

 

One thing that Nicola could learn from others who Kevin has fell out with is that it has oft been the case that they have not left him to get on with it.

 

We have to remember that incentives are what lead people and apart from the financial ones, Kevin knows exactly what can be achieved at this little old South Coast Club. that is what drew him here in 1982 and it is no coincidence to anyone around at the time that we enjoyed arguably our best season ever with him. He left because we didn't shore up the defence, as manager it will be his responsibility.

 

I love the man.

[dubai_phil]

DP, I'm not so sure that KK "accepted the concept, just found that Wise had no idea what he was doing".

 

That may have been an easy way to frame it after the event, but KK's a passionate guy and I can't see him reacting well to things like Reed's overall guiding hand, a transfer committee, and an interfering Cortese. I can foresee a deja vue all over again.

 

Still, I do think he'd bring a lot and - of all the names touted - would probably galvanize the fan base most. The players I'm not so sure about, because most of them weren't even born when he was a superstar.

 

OK so maybe like everyone else he would WANT to be top dog, but at the same time he showed he understood the way it could work AND was prepared to give it a go.

 

Meanwhile

 

I have a view on transfer committee. Is it such a stupid idea?

 

That list MLG keeps putting up. We have about 5 Scouts, 8 or 10 coaches. That is too many for a First Team Manager to control full time when he has 25+ players

 

The club will get a ton of calls emails and you tube clips a week from agents that all have to be sorted through. From that there will be "players worth a look at" which eventually will become - wow this one is amazing and we need to sign him (the new Messi). Some of the Yoof may be coming through and could be ready in a few weeks or so.

 

Then you have the Manager - he has a gap in the squad he will have attributes (yeah like FM) that he needs so he goes to the boss of the scouts and says go find me... an Antonio who is consistent

 

Then you have the Chairman who has the money. He has to say - Manager you really want to blow your whole budget for the year on an Antonio clone when we can buy the next Messi for 50 quid?

 

Simplistic view I know, BUT there is one advantage to this - There will be MORE than one football man at the meetings with the man holding the money. In SOME ways that puts the football side first (The Damned United way doesn't always work where Cloughie signed the players without telling the Chairman)

 

So the real issue is how the Committee WORKS. Is it equal votes? Is there a veto? Is there politics? Does the transfer committe work in REVERSE - ie do Football people decide who gets sold or who goes out on loan? Or is it the man who may need to raise some money?

 

Lot more to that whole thing than a smiples answer and a whole lot more convoluted

[CanadaSaint]

No, a transfer committee is not a stupid idea at all.

 

In fact, it's a far better idea than a one man decision-making process.

 

At risk of inflaming the Guided Missiles of this world, I'll lean on what happens over here, specifically with regard to hockey.

 

There are tons of meetings involving the scouts, the coaching staff and senior management before any significant decision is reached.

 

In many cases the decision is a one-man, one vote decision. Some teams have even left big "Draft Day" decisions to the scouts alone.

[Big John]

well put phil, i just think that the use of the word 'committee' puts many people (I include myself) off the idea.

 

The method that you have described is much better than a committee, it sounds more like a 'team' as per the old business adage, they need to go through the stages; form, storm, reform, norm, perform (or something like that). I feel that it will work just so long as everyone involved has an opinion that is valued by the others.

 

Anyway, it's Cortese's club now, so better to be on that 'committee' that not, would you agree?

[dubai_phil]

well put phil, i just think that the use of the word 'committee' puts many people (I include myself) off the idea.

 

The method that you have described is much better than a committee, it sounds more like a 'team' as per the old business adage, they need to go through the stages; form, storm, reform, norm, perform (or something like that). I feel that it will work just so long as everyone involved has an opinion that is valued by the others.

 

Anyway, it's Cortese's club now, so better to be on that 'committee' that not, would you agree?

 

Yep for all the stick he gets, he is NOT a football man, so having Reed around isn't a totally stupid idea.

 

In fact having someone like him around would have been such a good idea it must surely have been in his Business Plan when he pitched the club to ML

[dune]

No, a transfer committee is not a stupid idea at all.

 

In fact, it's a far better idea than a one man decision-making process.

 

At risk of inflaming the Guided Missiles of this world, I'll lean on what happens over here, specifically with regard to hockey.

 

There are tons of meetings involving the scouts, the coaching staff and senior management before any significant decision is reached.

 

In many cases the decision is a one-man, one vote decision. Some teams have even left big "Draft Day" decisions to the scouts alone.

 

It all sounds good, but it'd never work in English football.

[CanadaSaint]

It all sounds good, but it'd never work in English football.

 

Unless change is forced on English football by some kind of new financial reality, which is what really happened with the major sports over here.

 

"Never say never", Dune - although I grant you that lots of people over there would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that kind of era, if it ever happens.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

No, a transfer committee is not a stupid idea at all.

 

In fact, it's a far better idea than a one man decision-making process.

 

At risk of inflaming the Guided Missiles of this world, I'll lean on what happens over here, specifically with regard to hockey.

 

There are tons of meetings involving the scouts, the coaching staff and senior management before any significant decision is reached.

 

In many cases the decision is a one-man, one vote decision. Some teams have even left big "Draft Day" decisions to the scouts alone.

 

I'm sure we had a transfer committee when Strachan was in charge too. I seem to recall him saying that David Prutton was the one signing that the whole committee agreed upon. Goes to show that even the whole committee can be wrong sometimes.

[dune]

Unless change is forced on English football by some kind of new financial reality, which is what really happened with the major sports over here.

 

"Never say never", Dune - although I grant you that lots of people over there would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into that kind of era, if it ever happens.

 

But it's not going forward (as so many changes for the sake of change are painted as) it's going backwards and is akin to the England Cricket teams old school tie selectors. Rupert Lowe would have loved it and in appointing the Snake aka Clive Woodward he was trying to bring a situation about where decisions were taken from the manager and given to him. Cortese would love such a move and the abolishion of football managers in favour of a chief coach, but ultimately the best managers would never work under such constraints (they are the best because they have their own minds and defend their right to manage) and any club that went along with this plan would only ever be managed by yes men.

[dubai_phil]

It all sounds good, but it'd never work in English football.

 

OK, so how do Man City do it?

 

Chelsea?

 

Thing is you are right it will never work in English football is the correct attitude. Trying to do it into an existing operation will never work. BUT just for a moment, if one club DID introduce it, and it DID work, what happens then.

 

The It won't work in football argument means we'd still be playing the old W formation and Sir Alf would never have won the World Cup.

 

Done with WISDOM all around the table it would work. Downside is that it needs only one c*ck (to quote Top gear) to make it a disaster......

[CanadaSaint]

Dune, I was fairly sure you'd be in the "kicking and screaming" group.

[dubai_phil]

Don't get hung up on a name.

 

See, even Manchester United have a Director of Football

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_football

 

It isn't as simple an argument as is made out.

 

Wiki

 

Notable directors of football

People associated with football who have held the role as director of football or sporting director include:

• Frank Arnesen: Was promoted to the role at Chelsea in 2009 following his four year spell as Chief Scout
  
• Uli Hoeneß: Performs the Sporting Director responsibilities in his role as General Manager of Bayern Munich where he has been since 1979
  
• Gianluca Nani: Joined West Ham United in March 2008 as Technical Director. He carries out several responsibilities of a Sporting Director
  
• Gerry Murphy: Was promoted to the position at Huddersfield Town in January 2007 after serving 19 years as Academy Director
  
• Andoni Zubizarreta: Currently serving in the position at Barcelona
  
• Umberto Gandini: Currently performing the role at AC Milan
  
• Costinha: The former player is currently in the role at Sporting Clube de Portugal
  
• David Pleat: Having formerly performed the role at Tottenham Hotspur and Nottingham Forest, he is now in the position at UD Marbella
  
• Ramon Rodriguez: Currently serving in the position at Sevilla FC
  
• Nick Hammond: Performed the role at Reading since 2003
  
• Earnie Stewart: Under the title of "technical director", the former United States national team star has fulfilled the responsibilities of a sporting director at his former clubs VVV-Venlo and NAC Breda. He was named to the same position at AZ Alkmaar in June 2010.
  
• John Rudge: Currently in the role at Stoke City
  
• Willie Miller: Director of Footballing Operations at Aberdeen
  
• Lennie Lawrence: The former Middlesbrough and Charlton Athletic manager has been working in the position at Bristol Rovers since 2005
  
• Barry Fry: Currently serving at Peterborough
  
• Ron Atkinson: The former Manchester United, Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest manager, had previously performed the role at Coventry City and Kettering Town. He is now in the position at Halesowen Town
  
• Pierpaolo Marino: Currently serving in the position at Napoli
  
• Pantaleo Corvino: Currently serving in the position at Fiorentina, he gained a reputation for scouting new talents at Lecce
  
• Alessio Secco: Currently serving in the position at Juventus
  
• Jim Leishman: Currently serving in the position at Dunfermline Athletic
  
• Rui Costa: Is currently serving at Benfica where he finished his playing career in 2008
  
• Avram Grant: Was appointed to the role at Chelsea in July 2007. His appointment was met with disapproval from then Head Coach Jose Mourinho and subsequently Mourinho left the club in September 2007 and was replaced by Grant. Announced as Director of Football at Portsmouth on 7 October 2009
  
• Mo Johnston: Currently serving as Director of Soccer at Toronto FC
  

[edit] Past directors of football

[Gordon Mockles]

Got to say I would love it, LOVE IT if we got Keegan.

 

Was talking about this the other day and I honestly think that Kevin Keegan is the only guaranteed success from all the available candidates and I include MO'N in that.

 

Keegan will get us promoted, this season, no question, without fail. I truly, truly believe it.

 

At this level, with the players we have, all we need is Keegan.

 

We need his star quality, his inspiration, his personality, his passion and drive. Keegan and a couple of hand picked coaches. Organise them. Make them feel ten feet tall. Tell them they can and will win the division.

 

I have doubt about every single candidate in the frame, except Kevin Keegan. Guaranteed, guaranteed promotion.

 

And it's worth saying when he went back to Toon, I thought "he'll fail". I'm not some kind of Keegan worshipper. But I just think if he walked into St Mary's tomorrow, we'd win the league no problem come May.

 

I'd love it.

 

Said the same myself. A very good friend and I had this same conversation almost word for word. Appoint Keegan and we will win the league. Anyone else I question not because of their lack of ability as a manager (the physio comments are crap cos look at Morinho), but with the player power, ability to bring in required quality Pardew managed (and keeping players like Lallana and Chamberlain from having their heads turned!) and the set up and relationship with Les Reed and the football committee. I have to say, I don’t like the sound of this and it sounds frighteningly familiar.

 

I thought we’ve been here before (seamless link to first team, “revolutionary set-up and shared power *cough* (Hopeless Wotte, Yes man Portaloo) as Tijuana Tim’s lady so eloquently put. Thought the exact same thing and gutted someone beat me to say it. Have we not f*ckin learnt? Despite the Premiership manager b*llocks and PR agency spin about 50 managers applying on Sky (yeah, no hopers like Brown, Chris Coleman and other failed Premiership managers as well as the washed up idiots floating around since the Spring!), it’s all complete sh*t to help swing public opinion and make the appointment IF IT IS a name like Adkin justifiable, then b*llocks to that. I question the funds and 90% of the b*llsh*t rumours out there if Adkins is appointed. Why can’t be just have some f*ckin transparency. Is it cos it wasn’t Fonte’s missus involved in an indiscretion, maybe someone closer to home? Or is that another red herring...not according to some staff but Nicola will have no idea who. I’m not even going there. Too much sh*t being slung.

 

Back to football - Keegan would be one of the few names who would make all this bemusement, confusion and misinformation disappear. It would become insignificant and Cortese would win back support. I honestly cannot see anyone else (unless pie in the sky optimism like Cantona or O Neil is to believed, we're clueless!) having that mesmeric lift on the club and squad as Kevin Keegan.

 

I knew you'd be with me. Didn't Keegan play for us once?

 

Have we been here before? I mean, this juncture, cross roads...on this platform? Reminds me of Strachan days, when we had the chance to push on, make a difference. What happened? Errrrr, cheap, no ambition, penny pinching incompetency by Lowe. I hoped Cortese was different. One key factor – ambition. Second factor – money. However, much has happened since last year and now it is put up or shut up time. We are in the position to rise from the ashes or wither and die. Do what Lowe didn’t, have ambition, invest wisely (not feather your own nest to the detriment of the club), appoint wisely as it will pay dividends (or wasn’t that Rupes! LOL) and the stadium will fill, results will come, as will promotion and success. Take a risk, back off or gamble on a rookie (as has always been the mantra for Saints and small clubs...”let’s just not get relegated!” Inspirational FFS!!), then we could stumble and fall...EPIC FAIL. Come January if we are not on the way up, I guarantee you we will start to see players have their heads turned and leave...Lambo, Fonte, Butterfield (short contract which he will now be thankful of), Morgan...Chamberlain. Then it will be much harder to bolster as the club will have earned an even poorer rep, forgetting the stadium, facilities, fan base mantra. Money does talk but we want more than that. A team mentality, not a mercenary one with uncommitted players!

 

However, if the ambitious promises of Cortese are to continue (and be believed) following Markus’ investment in the club, the squad, academy (is it ongoing?) and untimely death, we need proof by action, not spin. As a club, we’ve been promised too much and had little delivered. We are grateful for being saved but we are past that.

 

The promises to continue Markus’ dream combined with the financial support of the family were reassuring words. I suggest reassure the fans with a statement of intent and a shrewd appointment to guarantee promotion. If not, questions will be asked. Justifiably. We’ve hardly been showered with information and feedback. We’re a community football club, not a feckin’ investment bank. You will fast lose support if you don’t show respect. Many a Chairman has fallen victim to fan power and long may it continue. Fans make a club, not just financial clout from a Chairman or benefactor.

 

Based on what?

 

Errrr, based on his opinion, Keegan's success rate and being one of the best man managers our nation has produced. Whilst Keegan has his faults and can tend to walk when the heat rises, he seems a great candidate for the job and a big name, which would raise the profile and god knows we need it after the actions of present and past chairmen...then there's the obvious point that he WOULD fill the stadium and put bums on seats. I can't see Adkins or another rookie gamble like Howe doing the same. Therein lies the problem. The extra cost would more than be repaid but maybe Nicola doesn’t want quick promotion. He wants to meddle. He wants a “Yes Man”. Have we been here before? All scary, all too familiar.

 

Someone succinctly put, it would dissolve the hangover and mourning from Markus' untimely death. That is a good point as the atmosphere Saturday, like the football, was cr*p!Like a morgue. Nervous, tetchy, quiet, souless, intolerant and narky. One miss-hit pass and the crowd are OOOING, EFFING and BLINDING! Not conducive to sparking up a nervy team needing a lift, for whatever the reason. We want results. SUPPORT and ENCOURAGMENT offer a welcome boost. Wish we'd realise that although some passing deserved the odd sigh!

 

well yeah, i do actually, because your opinion is hypocritical. You slated me for my opinion that a relatively successful manager at a higher level is likely to be successful at a lower league, claiming i was saying anyone who had managed in the premier league is guarenteed to be a success, which is not at all what i said, no one is guaranteed to be successful, yet here you are claiming Keegan is. Hello hypocrisy.

 

I think most on here would see the sense in Keegan on so many levels, you've just got the hump. Whilst CB Fry can be the most sarky person on the forum and tends to enjoy jumping on fools heavily, he often has a good point (can't believe I'm saying that) if not a little smug at times. We all have our faults! He is certainly reasoned, whether right or wrong. In this case, he is right, you aren’t. Call me arrogant but I call it confidence!

[Gordon Mockles]

That's funny, in my original post, I made it clear I was no Keegan worshipper and expected him to fail at Newcastle second time round when he was appointed. Not quite deluded and mental. My eyes are wide open.

 

Delusionals look at people who have acheived nothing whatsoever and decide that they would be brilliant two divisions down purely because they were rubbish two divisions higher. That is mental.

 

And yes. If Keegan took over tomorrow we're promoted in May. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Get on board.

 

I'd not bother dude. I think he just likes to argue!

 

 

"Was talking about this the other day and I honestly think that Kevin Keegan is the only guaranteed success from all the available candidates and I include MO'N in that.

 

Keegan will get us promoted, this season, no question, without fail. I truly truly believe it.

 

At this level, with the players we have, all we need is Keegan.

 

We need his star quality, his inspiration, his personality, his passion and drive. Keegan and a couple of hand picked coaches. Organise them. Make them feel ten feet tall. Tell them they can and will win the division. "

 

I have doubt about every single candidate in the frame, except Kevin Keegan. Guaranteed, guaranteed promotion."

 

I would say the above, despite your claims not to be, are symptoms of a Keegan lover. Guarenteed promotion, he is all we need, promtion without question, better than MON who is one of Britains best managers etc. That's assuming he gets his way, nothing goes against him, the going doesn't get a bit tough for him and because of this he doesn't show us a clean pair of heels, right?

 

There you go again, using that word brilliant. I'm not bothering with that argument anymore as you just cant seem to grasp the difference between saying someone is brilliant and someone having a decent chance of being a success. Unless of course you are talking about Keegan.

 

I would say, the above, are the symptons of an obsessive compulsive, disgruntled flibbertigibbet!!

Edited 8 September, 2010 by Gordon Mockles

[sadoldgit]

But it's not going forward (as so many changes for the sake of change are painted as) it's going backwards and is akin to the England Cricket teams old school tie selectors. Rupert Lowe would have loved it and in appointing the Snake aka Clive Woodward he was trying to bring a situation about where decisions were taken from the manager and given to him. Cortese would love such a move and the abolishion of football managers in favour of a chief coach, but ultimately the best managers would never work under such constraints (they are the best because they have their own minds and defend their right to manage) and any club that went along with this plan would only ever be managed by yes men.

 

I have mixed feelings about this committee idea. If there was a committee under Lowe sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. We should remember that we did have some decent players under him including the best Prem keeper and centre half. I don't know if Ferguson makes his own transfer decisions but he has made some howlers. Whatever the set up, you just have to hope that he/they make the right calls at the right times.

[Big John]

Keegan complained at not being able to bring in his own 60 year old advisor when with England, then Sven brings in a 62 year old (iirc). The reasons behind his so called failure at that point in his managerial carre are not as clear cut as his knockers would have us believe.

 

Fulham, he left in a fantastic position which imo was perfect for both them (Fulham) and himself to move forward. If he came here and got us up just one division then I for one would say job well done, review position and move on, preferably together but not essential.

 

Give us just one season with Kevin Nicola and you will not regeret it one little bit.

 

One BIG plus for Nicola would be that some of those press guys would have no choice but to buy your pics, they'd be mad not to. KK sells papers.

[saint_stevo]

Not been on since leaving work......but why are we talking about KK exactly? Thought Adkins was nailed on.....?

[Turkish]

Not been on since leaving work......but why are we talking about KK exactly? Thought Adkins was nailed on.....?

 

because some of our fans are dreamers.

[sadoldgit]

Before you all get too excited about Keegan, can I just remind you of a few of his quotes.

 

'In some ways, cramp is worse than having a broken leg.'

 

'The 33 or 34-year-olds will be 36 or 37 by the time the next World Cup comes around, if they're not careful.'

 

'England have the best fans in the world and Scotland's fans are second-to-none'

 

'I'll never play at Wembley again, unless I play at Wembley again'

 

'They're the second best team in the world, and there's no higher praise than that.'

 

'The tide is very much in our court now.'

 

'There's a slight doubt about only one player, and that's Tony Adams, who definitely won't be playing tomorrow.'

 

'The good news for Nigeria is that they're two-nil down very early in the game'

 

'Despite his white boots, he has real pace...'

 

'You can't do better than go away from home and get a draw...'

 

'I'm not disappointed - just disappointed.'

 

'Chile have three options - they could win or they could lose.'

 

I wonder if George W Bush is a distant relative?

[Tony Lynam]

I almost certainly should observe from afar, but, despite actually supporting another club (Liverpool), I cannot help but follow the on-going saga at St Marys. I would LOVE to see Kev return to Saints in a managerial, or other, capacity, but whilst my heart says it can and might happen, my head says no. BUT, just to clarify some nonsense I have read about Kevin, he is NOT a quitter. Things aren't always what they seem in football, and when you are urged to expect the expected, the unexpected happens. If Mr Cortese is convincing enough AND gives Kevin the respect and freedom he needs, this could happen in theory. Sadly I don't believe he will but I would love to be proved wrong. Best of luck to whoever turns out as the new manager. Regards. Tony

[Gemmel]

And he had Ashley, who, let's face it makes our NC seem like a kitten.

 

 

You should get in touch with some of those super high contacts of yours, I think you might change your mind

[Joesaint]

Agree with Tony, would be great, really great (can you even think of how much the players would love it!!) but can't see it, it like MON seems too good.

[CB Fry]

"Was talking about this the other day and I honestly think that Kevin Keegan is the only guaranteed success from all the available candidates and I include MO'N in that.

 

Keegan will get us promoted, this season, no question, without fail. I truly truly believe it.

 

At this level, with the players we have, all we need is Keegan.

 

We need his star quality, his inspiration, his personality, his passion and drive. Keegan and a couple of hand picked coaches. Organise them. Make them feel ten feet tall. Tell them they can and will win the division. "

 

I have doubt about every single candidate in the frame, except Kevin Keegan. Guaranteed, guaranteed promotion."

 

I would say the above, despite your claims not to be, are symptoms of a Keegan lover. Guarenteed promotion, he is all we need, promtion without question, better than MON who is one of Britains best managers etc. That's assuming he gets his way, nothing goes against him, the going doesn't get a bit tough for him and because of this he doesn't show us a clean pair of heels, right?

 

There you go again, using that word brilliant. I'm not bothering with that argument anymore as you just cant seem to grasp the difference between saying someone is brilliant and someone having a decent chance of being a success. Unless of course you are talking about Keegan.

 

 

Nice that you left out the line from my post about me not being a Keegan lover to "prove" that I am. Outstanding arguing skills. Sheesh.

 

And I didn't actually say I think Keegan is better than Martin O'Neil, just that I have doubts about MO'N taking over at Saints tomorrow - these are more about why he would come and whether he would stick it out. All a bit Clough-at-Brighton. He could get to January and think "why am I here, the West Ham job just came up". Of course you can say the same thing about Keegan but I personally think if he decided to come to Saints, he'd stick around long enough to get us promoted.

 

My point is more about "fit". Keegan coming to Saints tomorrow is, in my opinion, a brilliant fit and he is all we need to guarantee guaranteed promotion, and that's a cast iron guarantee. I guarantee it.

[dubai_phil]

You should get in touch with some of those super high contacts of yours, I think you might change your mind

 

NC would NEVER turn up at a meeting with zillionaire Arabs who are about to save his club, during Ramadan, Drunk.

 

Apart from that

[Gemmel]

NC would NEVER turn up at a meeting with zillionaire Arabs who are about to save his club, during Ramadan, Drunk.

 

Apart from that

 

I guess, i'll have to give you that one !!

 

But then I guess Ashley would never try and cancel a match on the hallowed turf, pre paid for by supporters and a couple of managers to boot

[Turkish]

Nice that you left out the line from my post about me not being a Keegan lover to "prove" that I am. Outstanding arguing skills. Sheesh.

 

And I didn't actually say I think Keegan is better than Martin O'Neil, just that I have doubts about MO'N taking over at Saints tomorrow - these are more about why he would come and whether he would stick it out. All a bit Clough-at-Brighton. He could get to January and think "why am I here, the West Ham job just came up". Of course you can say the same thing about Keegan but I personally think if he decided to come to Saints, he'd stick around long enough to get us promoted.

 

My point is more about "fit". Keegan coming to Saints tomorrow is, in my opinion, a brilliant fit and he is all we need to guarantee guaranteed promotion, and that's a cast iron guarantee. I guarantee it.

 

Although i did go on to say despite your claims......

 

I agree with you on that, Keegan would be a "brilliant" fit, (what is it about you and that word) right person, right place, right time and all that. I think only he and O'Neill are appointments that all fans would be 100% behind, however i dont think either is likely, mores pity. I wont guarentee it though, nothing is guarenteed.

[Bakovnetski]

Never gonna happen!

[Channon's Sideburns]

I almost certainly should observe from afar, but, despite actually supporting another club (Liverpool), I cannot help but follow the on-going saga at St Marys. I would LOVE to see Kev return to Saints in a managerial, or other, capacity, but whilst my heart says it can and might happen, my head says no. BUT, just to clarify some nonsense I have read about Kevin, he is NOT a quitter. Things aren't always what they seem in football, and when you are urged to expect the expected, the unexpected happens. If Mr Cortese is convincing enough AND gives Kevin the respect and freedom he needs, this could happen in theory. Sadly I don't believe he will but I would love to be proved wrong. Best of luck to whoever turns out as the new manager. Regards. Tony

 

Cheers Tony, what's Micky Fialka's view on this?

[Chin Strain]

Cheers Tony' date=' what's Micky Fialka's view on this? [/quote']

 

He hasn't spoken to him for over a year donchano