Alan Pardew Criticism Thread

[stevegrant]

Interestingly the appreciation thread only runs to 46 replies and we are on page 4 of the criticism thread!!

Not really. I posted in this thread when it started, haven't posted in the appreciation thread, but was very much in favour of Pardew.

 

Just because one thread has more posts than another, that doesn't mean a particular viewpoint within that thread is any sort of general consensus.

 

You only have to have been at either the Swindon or Rochdale games to see that Pardew had, and continues to have, a lot of support among the fanbase.

[ottery st mary]

Pards was doing it for me....Not perfect but in the right direction..

 

A new man will have more than team/selection problems to sort out...

 

Big decision for a manager/coach to come here now with all that is going on at the club...

He has not even been cleared by the selection panel on this forum yet..

 

Whatever happens let us all pray for the best...

 

Come on you Saints..

[Robsk II]

Criticism of pards:

 

Didn't win us the Champions League

Sometimes didn't change things early enough in games

Sometimes got formation wrong

Made some odd substitutions

 

Positives

 

Often got formation right

Sometimes mae good substitutions

Made pretty good buys

Won our first trophy in a million years

Sometimes got them out better in the second half

Seemed to have team playing with more character and belief than in some time

Had largely good results and a high win percentage; higher than anyone else for a century. No matter how you cut it, that made for good times.

 

So overall, I was in favour.

[shurlock]

Not really. I posted in this thread when it started, haven't posted in the appreciation thread, but was very much in favour of Pardew.

 

Just because one thread has more posts than another, that doesn't mean a particular viewpoint within that thread is any sort of general consensus.

 

You only have to have been at either the Swindon or Rochdale games to see that Pardew had, and continues to have, a lot of support among the fanbase.

 

Wouldnt say it was deep-rooted support - some of the uninformed comments at Swindon - people berating DW for not bringing on Lallana, for instance - spoke volumes to the kind of fans that were there that night. Rochdale was more out of frustration at going 2-0 down than real endorsement. A few good results and he'll be forgotten pretty quickly.

Edited 8 September, 2010 by shurlock
deep-rooted support

[alpine_saint]

Not really. I posted in this thread when it started, haven't posted in the appreciation thread, but was very much in favour of Pardew.

 

Just because one thread has more posts than another, that doesn't mean a particular viewpoint within that thread is any sort of general consensus.

 

You only have to have been at either the Swindon or Rochdale games to see that Pardew had, and continues to have, a lot of support among the fanbase.

 

And as I pointed out, over 55% of people voted that sacking AP was a mistake anyway...

[Wes Tender]

Wouldnt say it was deep-rooted support - some of the uninformed comments at Swindon - people berating DW for not bringing on Lallana, for instance - spoke volumes to the kind of fans that were there that night. Rochdale was more out of frustration at going 2-0 down than real endorsement. A few good results and he'll be forgotten pretty quickly.

 

I agree with you. It was mainly the Northam anyway and as it happened I looked around to see that it wasn't more than half of them. Many like me raised my eyebrows at the inanity of it, as it might have been indicative of frustration, but was hardly going to give the players a boost. Regardless of it, Pardew will not be coming back and it was also futile because the team not performing on the pitch was Pardew's team. What would have happened had that same team (which would also have been exactly the one that he would have selected) not performed under him? There have been boos for a team under him before, so I really don't see much difference apart from a few idiots believing that they were showing theri displeasure at Pardew's departure without even knowing the reason for it.

[Jimmy_D]

It occurs to me that since he left, no one has said anything official at all about Pardew being sacked. Not from Cortese or from Pardew.

 

No goodbye, no explaination, no 'me and the chairman didn't get on,' no 'he was a nightmare to work with'.

 

Maybe there is something in the gross misconduct rumours after all, and Cortese gave him the option of leaving quietly to protect the 'victim' of the gross misconduct, if there was one, or maybe the club itself, depending on what he might have done, as much as to protect Pardew.

 

Given the timing, I can't make anything else sit with me that fits, Cortese is a rich businessman, he's probably had to work with people he doesn't like before to get where he is, it doesn't seem 'right' to me that he would just sack him because he doesn't get on with him.

 

Dunno, just thinking out loud here, can't see how else it makes sense.

[doddisalegend]

It occurs to me that since he left, no one has said anything official at all about Pardew being sacked. Not from Cortese or from Pardew.

 

No goodbye, no explaination, no 'me and the chairman didn't get on,' no 'he was a nightmare to work with'.

 

Maybe there is something in the gross misconduct rumours after all, and Cortese gave him the option of leaving quietly to protect the 'victim' of the gross misconduct, if there was one, or maybe the club itself, depending on what he might have done, as much as to protect Pardew.

 

Given the timing, I can't make anything else sit with me that fits, Cortese is a rich businessman, he's probably had to work with people he doesn't like before to get where he is, it doesn't seem 'right' to me that he would just sack him because he doesn't get on with him.

 

Dunno, just thinking out loud here, can't see how else it makes sense.

 

I don't see why the club would protect APs reputation at the expense of their own (and risk driving fans away), all the press statement needed to say was that he was sacked for gross misconduct they don't have to give details so there's no need to protect the "victim" of APs evil. I don't know why people can't except that AP and NC didn't get on and AP paid the price with a restructing excercise. People keep saying NC wouldn't sack AP without someone else lined up but it wouldn't be NCs first questionable desicion since he became chairman.

[Smirking_Saint]

Not really. I posted in this thread when it started, haven't posted in the appreciation thread, but was very much in favour of Pardew.

 

Just because one thread has more posts than another, that doesn't mean a particular viewpoint within that thread is any sort of general consensus.

 

You only have to have been at either the Swindon or Rochdale games to see that Pardew had, and continues to have, a lot of support among the fanbase.

 

These are the same fans that boo'd our first few games under Pardew though right ??

 

TBF, i wasn't a massive fan of Pardews, that was pretty obvious. I did however feel he should have been given longer (if he WAS sacked for results/dislike).

 

I just don't buy the fact that he was sacked due to results or dislike, it just doesn't make sense to sack him now without a replacement, Cortese has spent too much time in business for that. I would never get rid of a vital member of my staff, without a replacement no matter how much i hated him UNLESS he did something seriously wrong or i had a replacement and i have only had a short managerial career thus far.

 

The not hearing anything for me holds more water on the gross misconduct side. If i was sacked for no reason i would rather protect myself, perhaps even waive the compensation in order to protect my career. Rumours of squad unrest, happenings on the training ground and asuch don't sit well with potential employers.

 

As for the club, they don't really gain by keeping quiet, or saying anything. If it was gross misconduct they would be protecting the victim, or even just being professional. Equally we don't know if there are legals rumbling around. They are not really driving fans away, they will be back when results pick up. Perhaps Pardew waived compensation IF the club kept quiet ?

 

Thing is, everyone has ideas and theories, i have heard things, i expect others have heard other things. In the most the truth won't ever really come out. Most still don't know the reasons behind any of our managerial sackings in the past few years, even under Lowe when the club had many voices.

 

All i know is whether it was misconduct or NC not getting on then it clearly wasn't going to work, and i am glad it is sorted early when we are still well in the thick of things then later and seriously damage our season.

[Window Cleaner]

And as I pointed out, over 55% of people voted that sacking AP was a mistake anyway...

 

strange that as 100% of voters don't know exactly why he was sacked. Only the don't knows can possibly be right.

Anyway AP was far too fond of spending money for players he personally wanted and probably made very little effort to work with ones he didnt want, viz Gillett,never understood that really,bloke can obviously play in a higher league but not for us,not even as a sub,obviously a I don't want you I want someone else issue.It could well be that NC wouldn't spend money on a particular player and AP threw his toys out of the pram, hence the work with the academy stuff,maybe the club wanted Dean to be a first team hopeful and AP,true to form,wanted to spend money on someone else,hence all the two more by tuesday stuff.

[Wes Tender]

I don't see why the club would protect APs reputation at the expense of their own (and risk driving fans away), all the press statement needed to say was that he was sacked for gross misconduct they don't have to give details so there's no need to protect the "victim" of APs evil. I don't know why people can't except that AP and NC didn't get on and AP paid the price with a restructing excercise. People keep saying NC wouldn't sack AP without someone else lined up but it wouldn't be NCs first questionable desicion since he became chairman.

 

LOL at the bit highlighted. Just imagine for one moment that you are a journalist of a red top comic (such as the Sun for example) and you hear that statement made by the club. Now there's potentially a very newsworthy story in there somewhere, quite probably back page headlines for the journalist who scoops the inside story. So we have dozens of journos hanging around the club, the training ground, following the players about pestering them to leak details of what went on behind closed doors. This is all of course a hypothetical scenario based on a situation that may or may not have taken place, but the very best reason for the club not admitting that the dismissal was for gross misconduct, even it was the reason.

 

I don't believe for one moment that the club's reputation has suffered much at all. Most will believe that there are very good reasons for Pardew going, even if they don't know exactly what those reasons are. And it isn't as if football managers getting sacked periodically is such an unusual event.