Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 oh my christ..i agree with dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 This is a criticism thread. Take your incessant whining elsewhere. Oh the irony.... pmsl... Please stop whining on a whining thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 September, 2010 Oh the irony.... pmsl... Please stop whining on a whining thread... Hows that chip on your shoulder today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 premature ejaculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 I didn't like Pardew's dress sense. The black shirt with the dark suit and no tie was just a fashion roadcrash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 Alpine, what a Mong, know you haven't been there to see it (as usual) but we have been **** since he went, is that not enough for your agenda? Whether Alpine has been to the ground or not his comments are without doubt exactly true. His location on the planet is totally irrelevant !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thripp87 Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 the fact he was ****ging mrs lambert kind of suggests he was deserving of the sack to me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 the fact he was ****ging mrs lambert kind of suggests he was deserving of the sack to me!!! Bloody hell so he was doing Fonte's misses, Lambert's misses and Connolly's misses the man was some kind of ****ing super stud, I'm suprised he has time to turn up for matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thripp87 Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 well he was a bit of a silver fox lol, mrs lambert is what I am strongly led to believe though. Might also explain his complete lack of form so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 well he was a bit of a silver fox lol, mrs lambert is what I am strongly led to believe though. Might also explain his complete lack of form so far. Well Lambert is the third player I've heard named now as having had his misses ****ed by Pardew, surely his form would have improved in the last couple of matches not got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Not perfect by any means, but we're a third division club, so expecting a Mourinho-esque manager is somewhat far-fetched. Definitely agree that the pattern and timing of substitutions was often very odd (last season, taking Barnard off on 63 minutes in EVERY game when Lambert was knackered was very annoying), and the tactics away from home against lesser sides weren't anything special. However, he'll have had very little input into the pre-season programme. Should definitely have signed another winger and probably another striker, but it's possible he might have either been trying to do just that before he was sacked, or was happy to wait until this week when the loan market would re-open, allowing us to bring in someone from higher up the football pyramid. The sun definitely didn't shine out of Pardew's arse, but nor do I think we'll get anyone better in this division in terms of managerial ability, experience and success. What he said. With the addition that the team seem to have continued to resort to panicking and whacking it since he's left, no shock there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Bloody hell so he was doing Fonte's misses, Lambert's misses and Connolly's misses the man was some kind of ****ing super stud, I'm suprised he has time to turn up for matches I know, pathetic isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Whether Alpine has been to the ground or not his comments are without doubt exactly true. His location on the planet is totally irrelevant !!! What, all of his comments are "without doubt exactly true", despite most of them being massively antagonistic to the majority of posters ? I'd suggest that a debate about, say, Do Prado's role so far might possibly need match attendance for an informed view, given that about 90% of the good things he did on Saturday were off the ball and unnoticed by half his teammates, never mind commentators or people in foreign countries. Similarly, it's difficult to criticise Pardew for being one-dimensional in tactics if all you've got to go on is what some bloke on the radio picks up about changes he's made, and can't see for yourself why the team is lumping it because you can't see that when certain passes were made backwards to the hoofer there were two attacking balls on to feet, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Pardew DID NOT sleep with any of players wives. He was sacked due to results and the fact that with Liebherr dead Cortese could sack Pardew easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Pardew DID NOT sleep with any of players wives. He was sacked due to results and the fact that with Liebherr dead Cortese could sack Pardew easier. Source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Pardew DID NOT sleep with any of players wives. He was sacked due to results and the fact that with Liebherr dead Cortese could sack Pardew easier. Liebherr wanted AP sacked at the end of the season, it was NC that convinced ML to keep AP in place............. He was not sacked for results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Hows that chip on your shoulder today ? You do make me laugh, you are without a doubt the most ridiculous prat on this or any other messageboard. You lack of self awareness is staggering. Chip on my shoulder? You've got a fricking field of potatoes on yours! How on earth can you criticise anyone for being whiney, moany, negative or having a chip on their shoulder??? Amazing.. I actually laughed at that one.. You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched and telling us the gospel according to Alpine Saint, starting threads and generally wallowing in the notoriety you generate. You love the attention but hate it when people snipe back... It's pathetic. And before anyone leaps to Alpine's defence stating his location is irrelevant, let me say this... The moment you start to criticise the club, the players, the managers then I think people are fully entitled to criticise you. The fact that this moaning whinging **** doesn't even see the games/players/managers he criticises just makes his points ridiculous. It's like me saying the new Brad Pitt film is crap just because Jonathan Ross said so on Film 2010. How many times have any of you been to a game, quite enjoyed it only to have someone on here savage it as the "worst game he's seen in ages"? Surely you have to see a game to say whether or not it was shyte? You have to see a player before you determine he's rubbish surely? Not in Alpine world you don't... Now I'm not saying people who don't go to games are somehow lesser fans (That's always their retort when you criticise their attendance and they run and hide behind other fans) but surely when it comes to having a go and starting threads rubbishing players/managers/games you have to have seen the game before you pass comment? Even if it's on tv?? As the9 stated, there are other things going on in a game that commentators often don't pick up.. In the meantime I'll just thank Alan Pardew for one of the best days out of my life and wish him the best. I pity the next manager. For all his faults, Pardew was one of the better managers we've had over the last five or six years and yet has been the victim of truly vile hate campaign from the likes of Alpine and co. No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah. Was he this terrible manager that deserves a whole thread devoted to criticising him? Hell no. Not even Poortvielt or Wotte got that. He did an ok job, he picked up a club that on it's knees, devoid of any confidence and had a losing mentality engrained into it. To turn that around, avoid relegation, overcome a 10 point penalty, win a trophy and come that close to a playoff place is something to be admired surely? Every sports journalist in the country thinks so, Alpine Saints doesn't.... How every sad and how very predictable... Who knows more? Sports journalist who to a man have criticised Pardew's sacking or some twonk in Austria who never watches a game?? Sometimes, from the behaviour of some posters on here, I really do believe we get the sort of club that some sort of fans deserve.... Hang your heads in shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 (edited) You do make me laugh, you are without a doubt the most ridiculous prat on this or any other messageboard. You lack of self awareness is staggering. Chip on my shoulder? You've got a fricking field of potatoes on yours! How on earth can you criticise anyone for being whiney, moany, negative or having a chip on their shoulder??? Amazing.. I actually laughed at that one.. You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched and telling us the gospel according to Alpine Saint, starting threads and generally wallowing in the notoriety you generate. You love the attention but hate it when people snipe back... It's pathetic. And before anyone leaps to Alpine's defence stating his location is irrelevant, let me say this... The moment you start to criticise the club, the players, the managers then I think people are fully entitled to criticise you. The fact that this moaning whinging **** doesn't even see the games/players/managers he criticises just makes his points ridiculous. It's like me saying the new Brad Pitt film is crap just because Jonathan Ross said so on Film 2010. How many times have any of you been to a game, quite enjoyed it only to have someone on here savage it as the "worst game he's seen in ages"? Surely you have to see a game to say whether or not it was shyte? You have to see a player before you determine he's rubbish surely? Not in Alpine world you don't... Now I'm not saying people who don't go to games are somehow lesser fans (That's always their retort when you criticise their attendance and they run and hide behind other fans) but surely when it comes to having a go and starting threads rubbishing players/managers/games you have to have seen the game before you pass comment? Even if it's on tv?? As the9 stated, there are other things going on in a game that commentators often don't pick up.. In the meantime I'll just thank Alan Pardew for one of the best days out of my life and wish him the best. I pity the next manager. For all his faults, Pardew was one of the better managers we've had over the last five or six years and yet has been the victim of truly vile hate campaign from the likes of Alpine and co. No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah. Was he this terrible manager that deserves a whole thread devoted to criticising him? Hell no. Not even Poortvielt or Wotte got that. He did an ok job, he picked up a club that on it's knees, devoid of any confidence and had a losing mentality engrained into it. To turn that around, avoid relegation, overcome a 10 point penalty, win a trophy and come that close to a playoff place is something to be admired surely? Every sports journalist in the country thinks so, Alpine Saints doesn't.... How every sad and how very predictable... Who knows more? Sports journalist who to a man have criticised Pardew's sacking or some twonk in Austria who never watches a game?? Sometimes, from the behaviour of some posters on here, I really do believe we get the sort of club that some sort of fans deserve.... Hang your heads in shame... Not very good then, apparently. (BTW, get your facts right, squire - I havent accused Pardew of sexual impropriety once. Suggest you stop behaving like a hysterical schoolgirl.) EDIT : I bet you were stood there on Saturday singing "Alan Pardew's Red & White Army" and feeling very pleased with yourself. I agree about getting the club you deserve. You want to see NC out and SFC without a pot to p*ss in, just so long as you can go back to the badly run complacent "family" pile of sh*t this club used to be. Edited 7 September, 2010 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Liebherr wanted AP sacked at the end of the season, it was NC that convinced ML to keep AP in place............. He was not sacked for results Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Not true. Source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 You do make me laugh, you are without a doubt the most ridiculous prat on this or any other messageboard. You lack of self awareness is staggering. Chip on my shoulder? You've got a fricking field of potatoes on yours! How on earth can you criticise anyone for being whiney, moany, negative or having a chip on their shoulder??? Amazing.. I actually laughed at that one.. You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched and telling us the gospel according to Alpine Saint, starting threads and generally wallowing in the notoriety you generate. You love the attention but hate it when people snipe back... It's pathetic. And before anyone leaps to Alpine's defence stating his location is irrelevant, let me say this... The moment you start to criticise the club, the players, the managers then I think people are fully entitled to criticise you. The fact that this moaning whinging **** doesn't even see the games/players/managers he criticises just makes his points ridiculous. It's like me saying the new Brad Pitt film is crap just because Jonathan Ross said so on Film 2010. How many times have any of you been to a game, quite enjoyed it only to have someone on here savage it as the "worst game he's seen in ages"? Surely you have to see a game to say whether or not it was shyte? You have to see a player before you determine he's rubbish surely? Not in Alpine world you don't... Now I'm not saying people who don't go to games are somehow lesser fans (That's always their retort when you criticise their attendance and they run and hide behind other fans) but surely when it comes to having a go and starting threads rubbishing players/managers/games you have to have seen the game before you pass comment? Even if it's on tv?? As the9 stated, there are other things going on in a game that commentators often don't pick up.. In the meantime I'll just thank Alan Pardew for one of the best days out of my life and wish him the best. I pity the next manager. For all his faults, Pardew was one of the better managers we've had over the last five or six years and yet has been the victim of truly vile hate campaign from the likes of Alpine and co. No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah. Was he this terrible manager that deserves a whole thread devoted to criticising him? Hell no. Not even Poortvielt or Wotte got that. He did an ok job, he picked up a club that on it's knees, devoid of any confidence and had a losing mentality engrained into it. To turn that around, avoid relegation, overcome a 10 point penalty, win a trophy and come that close to a playoff place is something to be admired surely? Every sports journalist in the country thinks so, Alpine Saints doesn't.... How every sad and how very predictable... Who knows more? Sports journalist who to a man have criticised Pardew's sacking or some twonk in Austria who never watches a game?? Sometimes, from the behaviour of some posters on here, I really do believe we get the sort of club that some sort of fans deserve.... Hang your heads in shame... Great rant Daren. Could have summed your opinion of Alpine in one word though Whatever mistakes he may have made, there is no doubt in my mind that in our recent history, Pardew was one of the best things to happen to this club. Off the field, Liebherr was the best thing to happen to us, but unfortunately, there are still side effects from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Source ? SFC. Where did they say in the club press release he was sacked for gross misconduct. They had review of the current first team and devolopment squads and Alan didn't fit in end off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Great rant Daren. Could have summed your opinion of Alpine in one word though Agreed, he could have saved us from that badly punctuated, changing object, inaccurate stream of tedious drivel. If he want to call me a c**t I'd respect him more if he just got on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Agreed, he could have saved us from that badly punctuated, changing object, inaccurate stream of tedious drivel. If he want to call me a c**t I'd respect him more if he just got on with it. Fair do's you brought a smile to my face. Not easily done I can tell you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 You do make me laugh, you are without a doubt the most ridiculous prat on this or any other messageboard. You lack of self awareness is staggering. Chip on my shoulder? You've got a fricking field of potatoes on yours! How on earth can you criticise anyone for being whiney, moany, negative or having a chip on their shoulder??? Amazing.. I actually laughed at that one.. You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched and telling us the gospel according to Alpine Saint, starting threads and generally wallowing in the notoriety you generate. You love the attention but hate it when people snipe back... It's pathetic. And before anyone leaps to Alpine's defence stating his location is irrelevant, let me say this... The moment you start to criticise the club, the players, the managers then I think people are fully entitled to criticise you. The fact that this moaning whinging **** doesn't even see the games/players/managers he criticises just makes his points ridiculous. It's like me saying the new Brad Pitt film is crap just because Jonathan Ross said so on Film 2010. How many times have any of you been to a game, quite enjoyed it only to have someone on here savage it as the "worst game he's seen in ages"? Surely you have to see a game to say whether or not it was shyte? You have to see a player before you determine he's rubbish surely? Not in Alpine world you don't... Now I'm not saying people who don't go to games are somehow lesser fans (That's always their retort when you criticise their attendance and they run and hide behind other fans) but surely when it comes to having a go and starting threads rubbishing players/managers/games you have to have seen the game before you pass comment? Even if it's on tv?? As the9 stated, there are other things going on in a game that commentators often don't pick up.. In the meantime I'll just thank Alan Pardew for one of the best days out of my life and wish him the best. I pity the next manager. For all his faults, Pardew was one of the better managers we've had over the last five or six years and yet has been the victim of truly vile hate campaign from the likes of Alpine and co. No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah. Was he this terrible manager that deserves a whole thread devoted to criticising him? Hell no. Not even Poortvielt or Wotte got that. He did an ok job, he picked up a club that on it's knees, devoid of any confidence and had a losing mentality engrained into it. To turn that around, avoid relegation, overcome a 10 point penalty, win a trophy and come that close to a playoff place is something to be admired surely? Every sports journalist in the country thinks so, Alpine Saints doesn't.... How every sad and how very predictable... Who knows more? Sports journalist who to a man have criticised Pardew's sacking or some twonk in Austria who never watches a game?? Sometimes, from the behaviour of some posters on here, I really do believe we get the sort of club that some sort of fans deserve.... Hang your heads in shame... Great post. I have asked Alpine elsewhere to tell us the data (mine is what I see with my eyes when I watch the team) he uses to come to the conclusions he does. "You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched" is nicely put. I am intruigued to see if the man will answer this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Great post. I have asked Alpine elsewhere to tell us the data (mine is what I see with my eyes when I watch the team) he uses to come to the conclusions he does. "You sit on here, with the benefit of not going to games, criticising players you've never seen, commenting on games you've never watched" is nicely put. I am intruigued to see if the man will answer this. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 The moment you start to criticise the club, the players, the managers then I think people are fully entitled to criticise you. The fact that this moaning whinging **** doesn't even see the games/players/managers he criticises just makes his points ridiculous. It's like me saying the new Brad Pitt film is crap just because Jonathan Ross said so on Film 2010. How many times have any of you been to a game, quite enjoyed it only to have someone on here savage it as the "worst game he's seen in ages"? Surely you have to see a game to say whether or not it was shyte? You have to see a player before you determine he's rubbish surely? If Jonathon Ross said the film was crap because in typical Hollywood style they had tried to rewrite history to suit some sort of anti-English agenda as they have on numerous occasions, then others can agree with that opinion without having to watch the film, can't they? But if you've been to a game and disagree with somebody else's opinion on it, then who is right? People who watch the same thing see it differently. Your Jonathon Ross is the same as your Dave Merrington for those who cannot attend. Many who were at a game see it differently to him when he summarises afterwards. Now I'm not saying people who don't go to games are somehow lesser fans (That's always their retort when you criticise their attendance and they run and hide behind other fans) but surely when it comes to having a go and starting threads rubbishing players/managers/games you have to have seen the game before you pass comment? Even if it's on tv?? As the9 stated, there are other things going on in a game that commentators often don't pick up.. As indeed there are more often things that are noticed on TV or on the radio that are often missed by fans, especially those like me with eyesight that deteriorates with age. No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." Did he make mistakes? Hell yeah. Was he this terrible manager that deserves a whole thread devoted to criticising him? Hell no. Not even Poortvielt or Wotte got that. The thread was a counter-balance to the one that was an appreciation. Seems fair enough to me. Surely you favour balance on an internet forum, especially as the appreciation thread categorically stated that there were to be no negative posts on it. Where were those posts to go then? He did an ok job, he picked up a club that on it's knees, devoid of any confidence and had a losing mentality engrained into it. Sounds just like Pearson To turn that around, avoid relegation, overcome a 10 point penalty, win a trophy and come that close to a playoff place is something to be admired surely? Every sports journalist in the country thinks so, Alpine Saints doesn't.... How every sad and how very predictable... Who knows more? Sports journalist who to a man have criticised Pardew's sacking or some twonk in Austria who never watches a game?? Typical Sports Journalists, commenting without concrete evidence of the facts. I'll have to remind you of what you said just above and apply it to your statement regarding the journos:- No proof, not one jot of actual proof and yet he's some sort of sexual athlete who ****ged half the first teams wives and deserves the sack. If he did then yes, he deserves the sack but we have people on here slagging the man off with no actual proof other than "Mate of a mate who works at St Marys told me..." So it's wrong for a fan to speculate on the reasons for Pardew's dismissals, but perfectly in order for a journalist to opine that the club was wrong to sack him without knowing why? Some consistency might be beneficial if you are to achieve credibility in criticising somebody for the same thing. Sometimes, from the behaviour of some posters on here, I really do believe we get the sort of club that some sort of fans deserve.... Hang your heads in shame... Are we really any different from the fans from other clubs then? Why would that be then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 SFC. Where did they say in the club press release he was sacked for gross misconduct. They had review of the current first team and devolopment squads and Alan didn't fit in end off. Ah! Another in the know. Can you not reveal your source? Was it Cortese, Reed, Pardew? Anybody who might be considered an unimpeachable authority? No, I thought not. So there is never a parting of the ways that is dressed up as something else to stop the gutter press swarming around like flies on sh*t? No agreements signed for non-disclosure, no altering of reasons to protect the reputations of individuals, to prevent besmirching of somebody's character, to avoid tribunals, etc? Right. They just parted company because there was an incompatability issue that apparently took over a season to emerge, but when it did, there was absolutely no time to have organised a replacement manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Right. They just parted company because there was an incompatability issue that apparently took over a season to emerge, but when it did, there was absolutely no time to have organised a replacement manager. Nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Ah! Another in the know. Can you not reveal your source? Was it Cortese, Reed, Pardew? Anybody who might be considered an unimpeachable authority? No, I thought not. So there is never a parting of the ways that is dressed up as something else to stop the gutter press swarming around like flies on sh*t? No agreements signed for non-disclosure, no altering of reasons to protect the reputations of individuals, to prevent besmirching of somebody's character, to avoid tribunals, etc? Right. They just parted company because there was an incompatability issue that apparently took over a season to emerge, but when it did, there was absolutely no time to have organised a replacement manager. YES MY SOURCE IS THE CLUB PRESS RELEASE are you suggesting the club lied to us that NC is a less than upstanding guy? The club has no reason to lie if AP committed this gross misconduct in the rumours the club could be up front about it an no one would have complained the club would have done nothing wrong. However the club did not say that they were quite clear that they where restructing the way things are done. The club has no reason to protect APs reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 go back to the badly run complacent "family" pile of sh*t this club used to be. are we talking about a specific period before NC or the entire history of the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 YES MY SOURCE IS THE CLUB PRESS RELEASE are you suggesting the club lied to us that NC is a less than upstanding guy? The club has no reason to lie if AP committed this gross misconduct in the rumours the club could be up front about it an no one would have complained the club would have done nothing wrong. However the club did not say that they were quite clear that they where restructing the way things are done. The club has no reason to protect APs reputation. I used to be that naive when I was younger, but with age comes the realisation that everything is not as it seems and that expediency governs the actions of organisations who wish to be preceived as one thing when being another. If you don't believe that the OS is capable of propaganda, or of obfuscation because it might suit both them and Pardew, then that's up to you. Did you watch that excellent programme about the internal politics of Westminster, "House of Cards"? As Francis Urquhart was fond of saying when somebody had come up with the truth behind the camouflage, "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment." The Club's statement IMO is the camouflage to deflect the press whilst some mutually convenient accommodation has been facilitated to keep both parties happy without the fallout of a scandal. The press can bluster all they want about the strangeness of the decision, but they know no more than you or I. Pardew isn't exactly broadcasting from the rooftops how unfair it all is, which ought to furnish you with another clue that everything is not as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Is Pardew someone else you're going to follow forever more and take delight every time bad things happen to him? Like Burley Is there a manager in the world who you would actually be happy with Alpine? How many games are you basing your criticisms of AP on BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 are we talking about a specific period before NC or the entire history of the club? Thats a good question. I reckon our "family" and "provincial" nature stood us in good stead for quite a long time of our history, but it seems to be the case that modern professional football clubs are very slickly organised machnes. I cannot tell exactly when the family nature started to become a hinderance, but I would hazard a guess when the PL started and SKY started dumpint silly money into the game, and was aggravated by the PLC status and moving to SMS from the Dell. I would rather the club was still the way it was - staffed and represented by the community, and serving the community - but it just doesnt fit with the modern realities of football, and we would go out of business if we carried on like we used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 September, 2010 Is Pardew someone else you're going to follow forever more and take delight every time bad things happen to him? Like Burley Is there a manager in the world who you would actually be happy with Alpine? How many games are you basing your criticisms of AP on BTW? When did I last mention Burley ? Last time I expressed any schadenfreude over his fate was probably his last game in charge for Scotland. Its a waste of my valuable life force dwelling on him any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I used to be that naive when I was younger, but with age comes the realisation that everything is not as it seems and that expediency governs the actions of organisations who wish to be preceived as one thing when being another. If you don't believe that the OS is capable of propaganda, or of obfuscation because it might suit both them and Pardew, then that's up to you. Did you watch that excellent programme about the internal politics of Westminster, "House of Cards"? As Francis Urquhart was fond of saying when somebody had come up with the truth behind the camouflage, "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment." The Club's statement IMO is the camouflage to deflect the press whilst some mutually convenient accommodation has been facilitated to keep both parties happy without the fallout of a scandal. The press can bluster all they want about the strangeness of the decision, but they know no more than you or I. Pardew isn't exactly broadcasting from the rooftops how unfair it all is, which ought to furnish you with another clue that everything is not as it seems. yeah yeah and the CIA shot kennedy and the Americans never landed on the moon. It suits a lot of peoples agendas to assume there is more than meets eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I used to be that naive when I was younger, but with age comes the realisation that everything is not as it seems and that expediency governs the actions of organisations who wish to be preceived as one thing when being another. If you don't believe that the OS is capable of propaganda, or of obfuscation because it might suit both them and Pardew, then that's up to you. Did you watch that excellent programme about the internal politics of Westminster, "House of Cards"? As Francis Urquhart was fond of saying when somebody had come up with the truth behind the camouflage, "You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment." The Club's statement IMO is the camouflage to deflect the press whilst some mutually convenient accommodation has been facilitated to keep both parties happy without the fallout of a scandal. The press can bluster all they want about the strangeness of the decision, but they know no more than you or I. Pardew isn't exactly broadcasting from the rooftops how unfair it all is, which ought to furnish you with another clue that everything is not as it seems. There is no scandal, unless the fact that Cortese didn't want Pardew to be Manager was a scandal. His decision may have been facilitated by an argument between the two, but the sacking was always on the cards from what I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 yeah yeah and the CIA shot kennedy and the Americans never landed on the moon. It suits a lot of peoples agendas to assume there is more than meets eye. I have been consistent in berating others for jumping to conclusions as to the circumstances that precipitated Pardew's departure. You only need to look a few posts above to see that is the position I took with Daren W and the journos. So quite what agenda I have is beyond me. Pardew has gone and will not be coming back. He did some good things, but also had some failings too. But I keep an open mind as to what caused his sacking and do not believe something just because it is posted on the OS any more than I believe the stories in the press or rumours on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I've got no criticism of AP because he did nothing wrong and should still be our manager. He delivered our first piece of silverware for over 30 years! If you want to start a Nicola Cortese criticism threan then I'll be happy to contribute to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I've got no criticism of AP because he did nothing wrong and should still be our manager. He delivered our first piece of silverware for over 30 years! If you want to start a Nicola Cortese criticism threan then I'll be happy to contribute to that. I wouldn't say he did nothing wrong, because that is blatantly untrue, but I don't believe he should have been sacked and especially due to the timing of it, I feel we are weaker without him than we were with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I have been consistent in berating others for jumping to conclusions as to the circumstances that precipitated Pardew's departure. You only need to look a few posts above to see that is the position I took with Daren W and the journos. So quite what agenda I have is beyond me. Pardew has gone and will not be coming back. He did some good things, but also had some failings too. But I keep an open mind as to what caused his sacking and do not believe something just because it is posted on the OS any more than I believe the stories in the press or rumours on here. My postion is I'll trust the O/S until I see evidence that it's lying to me. Based on the clubs own comments I feel they've made a mistake. If someone shows me some evidence that the club statement RE AP is bull**** fine. All I've seen so far is rumours used to justify peoples own opinions of AP. Seeing as you don't trust the O/S the press or your fellow fans I would suggest you're quite far from open minded on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 SFC. Where did they say in the club press release he was sacked for gross misconduct. They had review of the current first team and devolopment squads and Alan didn't fit in end off. Not 'End of' since doddisalegend has no more insight into Cortese's thinking than anyone else on here. Anyone is entitled to speculate but not state speculation as fact. A review of the management structure would have taken place in the close season, not 3 weeks into the season, and had we won the first 3 games it is inconceivable that the manager could have been dismissed. Only two things have happened that we know of - ML's death giving more control to Cortese, and two poor home results. Those don't seem good enough reasons for the sacking of Pardew and Downes and Murdoch at that point in time, so it is understandable that people are scratching around to find some other reason. Until we know, there will be a bitter taste, regardless of who is appointed, and only a Wow name will take the edge off that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 I didn't like the style of football that the team regularly reverted to. I liked Waigo for his pace and unpredictability, Pardew didn't rate him. I didn't like the emphasis on passing back to Davis followed by 20 players trooping to the far corner and Davis launching it. I didn't like the narrow set up of the midfield along with the lack of mobility of the central two. I didn't like the lack of movement at corners and nobody positioned off the back post for overhit corners. I didn't like the goalkeeper staying rooted to his goal line at defensive corners which allowed the opposition to swing the ball into the goal area which was difficult to defend. I didn't rate Pardew as a manager and was underwhelmed when he was appointed, his sacking from his previous jobs plus the fall out from Charlton was hardly a good reference. I have nothing against the man from a behaviour point of view, nonetheless I am relieved he has gone. I hope that we are going to get in a manager that believes in the sort of mobile attacking football I enjoy watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 My postion is I'll trust the O/S until I see evidence that it's lying to me. Based on the clubs own comments I feel they've made a mistake. If someone shows me some evidence that the club statement RE AP is bull**** fine. All I've seen so far is rumours used to justify peoples own opinions of AP. Seeing as you don't trust the O/S the press or your fellow fans I would suggest you're quite far from open minded on the subject. Well, as you're too naive to realise that the OS will publish their line that shows them in the most favourable light and that the press have a well-deserved reputation as muck-rakers and sensationalists more often then not, then it seems that it is me who is more open-minded to recognise these things. But if you wish to believe everything you read either on the OS or in the press, then good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 September, 2010 Share Posted 7 September, 2010 When did I last mention Burley ? Last time I expressed any schadenfreude over his fate was probably his last game in charge for Scotland. Its a waste of my valuable life force dwelling on him any more. I think the words "valuable life force" are misused Alps. When you pass over you will have wated a very large proportion of your life force writing rubbish on the internet. What value there? You take every opportunity to have a pop at Burley and yes, we can expect the same fate to befall Pardew. Funny that you don't use your time to have a pop at the one manager in recent times deserving of your scorn, Harry Redknapp. Why is that? I can accept it if both Burley and Pardew had win ratios of 3 in 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2010 I think the words "valuable life force" are misused Alps. When you pass over you will have wated a very large proportion of your life force writing rubbish on the internet. What value there? You take every opportunity to have a pop at Burley and yes, we can expect the same fate to befall Pardew. Funny that you don't use your time to have a pop at the one manager in recent times deserving of your scorn, Harry Redknapp. Why is that? I can accept it if both Burley and Pardew had win ratios of 3 in 13. There is absolutely NO point in me answering this post, since it is about the 3000th time you've repeated it, and for the 3000th time you have been UTTERLY disingenous in ignoring the fact that the club didnt have a pot to p*ss in when Pearson was manager and lavished MILLIONS on Burley and Pardew. Oh, and if we were to be really analytical, and argue that Pardew brought us to the playoff limit in League1 with tactically one-dimensional football and clueless substitutions, and Burley brought us to the playoff limit (luckily falling on the right side due to PNE choking it) in the CCC with tactically one-dimensional football and clueless substitutions, for a similar amount of money spent, it argues that Pardew was even worse value-for-money than Burley. Now that is really f**king saying something. At least he gave a better post-match interview, eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 September, 2010 Share Posted 8 September, 2010 (edited) Not 'End of' since doddisalegend has no more insight into Cortese's thinking than anyone else on here. Anyone is entitled to speculate but not state speculation as fact. A review of the management structure would have taken place in the close season, not 3 weeks into the season, and had we won the first 3 games it is inconceivable that the manager could have been dismissed. Only two things have happened that we know of - ML's death giving more control to Cortese, and two poor home results. Those don't seem good enough reasons for the sacking of Pardew and Downes and Murdoch at that point in time, so it is understandable that people are scratching around to find some other reason. Until we know, there will be a bitter taste, regardless of who is appointed, and only a Wow name will take the edge off that. Maybe everyone is giving NC more credit than derserves? its interesting so many supporters are ready to believe that the chairman will lie to us though. Edited 8 September, 2010 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2010 Maybe everyone is giving NC more credit than derserves? its interesting so many supporters are ready to believe that the chairman will lay to us though. I for one want us to get on with this season, so do we have much choice ? The real acid test of whether SFC can deliver under NC will be seeing who he appoints as the new manager. I suggest we be paitent until we can draw a conclusion from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 8 September, 2010 Share Posted 8 September, 2010 Liebherr wanted AP sacked at the end of the season, it was NC that convinced ML to keep AP in place............. He was not sacked for results Some of you seem to think that if you repeat this enough it becomes true. There is zero evidence for the claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 8 September, 2010 Share Posted 8 September, 2010 Interestingly the appreciation thread only runs to 46 replies and we are on page 4 of the criticism thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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