Cortese needs to speak now....

[Noodles34]

As a non ITK, or a full time poster it is interesting reading these threads about who knows what etc... personally it seems like attention seeking bull****.

 

As a normal fan with a ST etc, it would be good to know what exactly has happened at SMS?

 

My mate has this rumours about AP and drinking and players' wives etc, don't really buy it but it leads to that the fact that if AP was sacked for Gross Misconduct then it is an employesr right to state this. I am not expecting the gory details etc, but at least if I know it was completely non football related then at least I can understand where Cortese is coming from because at the moment he is making himself look like a 'rich' clone of RL, and thats not a good clone to be. It does not help with last seasons speculation about Cortese getting rid of AP then, it at the moment looks like he has completely ****ed up at the worse possible time.

 

As I said, being a normal bloke in the stands I just want to know why we are throwing away this season of hope, expectation and ambition. Minus 10 points might have been less of a hinderance than what is going on presently.

[S-Clarke]

He won't say anything about why Pardew was sacked, i'm sure we'll never know the full reason.

 

We'll hear from Nicola when the new manager is appointed, and for his sake i hope it's the right choice.

[Deppo]

Attention seeking bullsh*t

[Jesus Reigned]

Is this just a random statement or is it aimed at the OP?

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable what Noodles is saying.

[Dalek2003]

Did we ever really know why WGS left ?

 

Have the full details of why GH was not appointed ever been revealed ?

 

Do we know for sure why Sturrock was sacked ?

 

Ther are lots of unanswered questions surrounding SFC, the AP sacking now joins the list.

[TopGun]

As a non ITK, or a full time poster it is interesting reading these threads about who knows what etc... personally it seems like attention seeking bull****.

 

As a normal fan with a ST etc, it would be good to know what exactly has happened at SMS?

 

My mate has this rumours about AP and drinking and players' wives etc, don't really buy it but it leads to that the fact that if AP was sacked for Gross Misconduct then it is an employesr right to state this. I am not expecting the gory details etc, but at least if I know it was completely non football related then at least I can understand where Cortese is coming from because at the moment he is making himself look like a 'rich' clone of RL, and thats not a good clone to be. It does not help with last seasons speculation about Cortese getting rid of AP then, it at the moment looks like he has completely ****ed up at the worse possible time.

 

As I said, being a normal bloke in the stands I just want to know why we are throwing away this season of hope, expectation and ambition. Minus 10 points might have been less of a hinderance than what is going on presently.

 

As a normal bloke in the stands you'd better get used to silence. Cortese is the owner's rep and will do as he wishes.

[HK_Phoey]

As a non ITK, or a full time poster it is interesting reading these threads about who knows what etc... personally it seems like attention seeking bull****.

 

As a normal fan with a ST etc, it would be good to know what exactly has happened at SMS?

 

My mate has this rumours about AP and drinking and players' wives etc, don't really buy it but it leads to that the fact that if AP was sacked for Gross Misconduct then it is an employesr right to state this. I am not expecting the gory details etc, but at least if I know it was completely non football related then at least I can understand where Cortese is coming from because at the moment he is making himself look like a 'rich' clone of RL, and thats not a good clone to be. It does not help with last seasons speculation about Cortese getting rid of AP then, it at the moment looks like he has completely ****ed up at the worse possible time.

 

As I said, being a normal bloke in the stands I just want to know why we are throwing away this season of hope, expectation and ambition. Minus 10 points might have been less of a hinderance than what is going on presently.

 

I have seen this "he was sacked for gross misconduct involving someone else's wife " suggestion before, think this is extremely unlikely. If this was truly the case why were Downes and the other chap also let go ? Can you imagine turning up to work one day and being told that you are being fired because your boss gets a bit tipsy now and again and ****s someone else's wife. Doesn't really make sense does it ?

[gonzo]

I have seen this "he was sacked for gross misconduct involving someone else's wife " suggestion before, think this is extremely unlikely. If this was truly the case why were Downes and the other chap also let go ? Can you imagine turning up to work one day and being told that you are being fired because your boss gets a bit tipsy now and again and ****s someone else's wife. Doesn't really make sense does it ?

 

There have been suggestions that Pardew, Murdoch and Downes were involved in a scuffle on the training pitch, which could suggest why all of them were sacked if true.

[Hamilton Saint]

There have been suggestions that Pardew, Murdoch and Downes were involved in a scuffle on the training pitch, which could suggest why all of them were sacked if true.

 

Some people say ...

 

It has been said ...

 

There are those that think ...

 

It has been brought to my attention that ...

 

Those in the know have been saying ...

 

Rumours are circulating that ...

 

 

etc., etc.

[gonzo]

All I was saying is that it could explain why all of them were sacked. I'm not claiming to be ITK or saying that it definitely did happen!

[Smirking_Saint]

There was reasons behind the Stuart Gray sacking ..... i know why this is

 

Reasons behind why Souness left....... i know why this is

 

Reasons behind the WGS leaving..... i know why this is

 

Fact is, doesn't matter who is in charge people will know the reasons behind why certain people leave, and very rarely do chairmen at any football club have any reason to share that info, as for AP's sacking, i have a decent idea from a source i trust. Will we ever hear the truth ?? probably not but then does anyone ever ??

[the saint in winchester]

I do now completely agree that NC does need to make a public statement. In business terms, the outlook is bleak and investor confidence is low. We were led to believe AP was dismissed for inappropriate behaviour and that the players made a deputation to Cortese, a suggestion of player power leaving NC no alternative.

HOWEVER Hammond and Wilkins' comments suggesting they were as shocked as the fans suggests that Cortese took this action for reasons known only to himself. He has lost the confidence of many/the majority of fans and he needs to get us back on-side.

Please Mr Cortese, we need to know what the grounds were for the action you took, and your action plan on who will replace him.

PLEASE!

[Lord Duckhunter]

I thought the club did make a statement, it was made on the day of his sacking. I can't remember the exact wording but it was along the lines of "after a review, we made this decision to bring the First Team and the Football Development & Support Centre tohether as integrated, co-operative units.". Pardew obviously didn't fit in with that or agree with that, but that was the reason given.Surely the debate should be about why pardew couldn't be part of that, or why he was unwilling to be part of that. But whether we like it or not that was the statement given. Why are people calling for another statement?

[Dalek2003]

There was reasons behind the Stuart Gray sacking ..... i know why this is

 

Reasons behind why Souness left....... i know why this is

 

Reasons behind the WGS leaving..... i know why this is

 

Fact is, doesn't matter who is in charge people will know the reasons behind why certain people leave, and very rarely do chairmen at any football club have any reason to share that info, as for AP's sacking, i have a decent idea from a source i trust. Will we ever hear the truth ?? probably not but then does anyone ever ??

 

Intrigued by the WGS reason for going, never felt this was fully explained.

[Billyboy]

In response to all those sniping at Cortese may I offer an alternative view?

 

Firstly everyone seems to be rather hyped up at the loss of Markus Liebherr citing him as Saints saviour. In fact it was Cortese who persuaded Markus that Saints were a good bet to back and he did most of the donkey work to sort out the deal. It could therefore be said that it was Cortese who was our saviour in our hour of need. At the very least he shared an equal part in that role. Secondly there is emerging a view that Markus and Nicola were the 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' partnership. That's an easy mistake to make. Markus looked and acted like everyone's favourite older uncle while Nicola looks sharper of face and has the air of the hard-nosed banking businessman. In fact Liebherr molded a multi-billion euro empire and specialised in areas such as aviation control systems, one of the most cut-throat businesses there are. Unedrneath that friendly exterior lay a will of steel and a shrewd (possibly ruthless) business mind; you don't succeed in those sort of businesses through being a softy. His appointment of Cortese would have been based on his ability to deliver his vision and to act within his style of operation. Thirdly people seem to think Cortese is a dangerous idiot for banning press photographers. No one seems to bat an eyelid at players charging huge sums for appearance and media rights and the media has been ripping football off for years. When Cortese proposes that the clubs who pay the players and who produce the football should also make some money from publicity everyoine gets upset. I suspect most clubs agree with Cortese's stance but they, unlike us, don't have the financial clout to take on the media. Fourthly everyone assumes Cortese is a megalomaniac who can't stand challenge and who sacked Pardew maliciously. Actually the swiftness of the decision suggests that something very very serious occured last week leaving Cortese no choice other than to sack the manager. The fact there was no immediate replacement suggests this to be the case. Thus far Cortese has planned everything with great care and consideration; it is therefore infeasible that this was anything other than a sacking forced by circumstance. Rumours were rife at St Mary's at the weekend including many concerning an indescretion with a player's wife. If those rumnours are true then the silence surrounding the issue is understandable given the need to protect individuals.

 

So, maybe we should be less swift in our judgement. Cortese is a tough businessman and football these days is a tough buisness. He has done so much to save this club we should be careful before criticising. And lastly we should consider that he has done little wrong so far and he should be trusted to find a replacement for Pardew who can do at least as well - if not better.

[dubai_phil]

In response to all those sniping at Cortese may I offer an alternative view?

 

Firstly everyone seems to be rather hyped up at the loss of Markus Liebherr citing him as Saints saviour. In fact it was Cortese who persuaded Markus that Saints were a good bet to back and he did most of the donkey work to sort out the deal. It could therefore be said that it was Cortese who was our saviour in our hour of need. At the very least he shared an equal part in that role. Secondly there is emerging a view that Markus and Nicola were the 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' partnership. That's an easy mistake to make. Markus looked and acted like everyone's favourite older uncle while Nicola looks sharper of face and has the air of the hard-nosed banking businessman. In fact Liebherr molded a multi-billion euro empire and specialised in areas such as aviation control systems, one of the most cut-throat businesses there are. Unedrneath that friendly exterior lay a will of steel and a shrewd (possibly ruthless) business mind; you don't succeed in those sort of businesses through being a softy. His appointment of Cortese would have been based on his ability to deliver his vision and to act within his style of operation. Thirdly people seem to think Cortese is a dangerous idiot for banning press photographers. No one seems to bat an eyelid at players charging huge sums for appearance and media rights and the media has been ripping football off for years. When Cortese proposes that the clubs who pay the players and who produce the football should also make some money from publicity everyoine gets upset. I suspect most clubs agree with Cortese's stance but they, unlike us, don't have the financial clout to take on the media. Fourthly everyone assumes Cortese is a megalomaniac who can't stand challenge and who sacked Pardew maliciously. Actually the swiftness of the decision suggests that something very very serious occured last week leaving Cortese no choice other than to sack the manager. The fact there was no immediate replacement suggests this to be the case. Thus far Cortese has planned everything with great care and consideration; it is therefore infeasible that this was anything other than a sacking forced by circumstance. Rumours were rife at St Mary's at the weekend including many concerning an indescretion with a player's wife. If those rumnours are true then the silence surrounding the issue is understandable given the need to protect individuals.

 

So, maybe we should be less swift in our judgement. Cortese is a tough businessman and football these days is a tough buisness. He has done so much to save this club we should be careful before criticising. And lastly we should consider that he has done little wrong so far and he should be trusted to find a replacement for Pardew who can do at least as well - if not better.

 

Thanks for clearing that up Nicola. Appreciated

 

 

 

 

But seriously, the Gross Misconduct and speed of events seems to fit the bits that we can see. These rumours seem to be getting closer and closer to sources that may well know players or back room staff and the point of "Protecting Individuals" is key.

 

FWIW IMHO the longer there are no comments or statements made from either side, the more I think I would give some credence to the "something big went down" sceanrio.

 

I think NC will make his statement when he gets his man

[Saint George]

In response to all those sniping at Cortese may I offer an alternative view?

 

Firstly everyone seems to be rather hyped up at the loss of Markus Liebherr citing him as Saints saviour. In fact it was Cortese who persuaded Markus that Saints were a good bet to back and he did most of the donkey work to sort out the deal. It could therefore be said that it was Cortese who was our saviour in our hour of need. At the very least he shared an equal part in that role. Secondly there is emerging a view that Markus and Nicola were the 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' partnership. That's an easy mistake to make. Markus looked and acted like everyone's favourite older uncle while Nicola looks sharper of face and has the air of the hard-nosed banking businessman. In fact Liebherr molded a multi-billion euro empire and specialised in areas such as aviation control systems, one of the most cut-throat businesses there are. Unedrneath that friendly exterior lay a will of steel and a shrewd (possibly ruthless) business mind; you don't succeed in those sort of businesses through being a softy. His appointment of Cortese would have been based on his ability to deliver his vision and to act within his style of operation. Thirdly people seem to think Cortese is a dangerous idiot for banning press photographers. No one seems to bat an eyelid at players charging huge sums for appearance and media rights and the media has been ripping football off for years. When Cortese proposes that the clubs who pay the players and who produce the football should also make some money from publicity everyoine gets upset. I suspect most clubs agree with Cortese's stance but they, unlike us, don't have the financial clout to take on the media. Fourthly everyone assumes Cortese is a megalomaniac who can't stand challenge and who sacked Pardew maliciously. Actually the swiftness of the decision suggests that something very very serious occured last week leaving Cortese no choice other than to sack the manager. The fact there was no immediate replacement suggests this to be the case. Thus far Cortese has planned everything with great care and consideration; it is therefore infeasible that this was anything other than a sacking forced by circumstance. Rumours were rife at St Mary's at the weekend including many concerning an indescretion with a player's wife. If those rumnours are true then the silence surrounding the issue is understandable given the need to protect individuals.

 

So, maybe we should be less swift in our judgement. Cortese is a tough businessman and football these days is a tough buisness. He has done so much to save this club we should be careful before criticising. And lastly we should consider that he has done little wrong so far and he should be trusted to find a replacement for Pardew who can do at least as well - if not better.

 

Great post....unfortunately it will be lost on most of the bumkins on here....pitch forks, flaming torches and ducking stools is about their limit

[Lance]

Noodles you have probably made the most truest honest statement I have read on this board in the past 7 days. Im in your boat on this, just a bit of a guide as to why Pards left, (If its the reasons posted I got enough dvd's to make up the gory details myself ;-) ) but the anti Cortese bandwagon thats buiding needs to be stopped in its tracks if this is true. Im sick of the I know this, he told me that rumblings and a tiny bit of closure would be nice. My only belief when I heard the news (sat on Red Funnel, severely hanging from the Scooter Rally) was that it had no football related agenda as no matter what your opinions of Cortese hes a business man, and if he had gone underhanded he would have had a replacement lined up....7 days on still no sign. I dont believe for one minute he will go for the 'cheap option' often linked to the club, my only angle is how much of a 'Yes Man' does he want??? I saw these parking charges for the first time Saturday.. First 30mins free/ £1 for first hour and then a smaller increase than the NCP in town centre for the subsequent hours. Who actually in honesty spends more than 30mins down stadium, prob stopping people using it then walking to offices. Other things are for the best of the club too in my opinion, the photography ban im not sure, prob an experiment he will retract on

[docker-p]

In response to all those sniping at Cortese may I offer an alternative view?

 

Firstly everyone seems to be rather hyped up at the loss of Markus Liebherr citing him as Saints saviour. In fact it was Cortese who persuaded Markus that Saints were a good bet to back and he did most of the donkey work to sort out the deal. It could therefore be said that it was Cortese who was our saviour in our hour of need. At the very least he shared an equal part in that role. Secondly there is emerging a view that Markus and Nicola were the 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' partnership. That's an easy mistake to make. Markus looked and acted like everyone's favourite older uncle while Nicola looks sharper of face and has the air of the hard-nosed banking businessman. In fact Liebherr molded a multi-billion euro empire and specialised in areas such as aviation control systems, one of the most cut-throat businesses there are. Unedrneath that friendly exterior lay a will of steel and a shrewd (possibly ruthless) business mind; you don't succeed in those sort of businesses through being a softy. His appointment of Cortese would have been based on his ability to deliver his vision and to act within his style of operation. Thirdly people seem to think Cortese is a dangerous idiot for banning press photographers. No one seems to bat an eyelid at players charging huge sums for appearance and media rights and the media has been ripping football off for years. When Cortese proposes that the clubs who pay the players and who produce the football should also make some money from publicity everyoine gets upset. I suspect most clubs agree with Cortese's stance but they, unlike us, don't have the financial clout to take on the media. Fourthly everyone assumes Cortese is a megalomaniac who can't stand challenge and who sacked Pardew maliciously. Actually the swiftness of the decision suggests that something very very serious occured last week leaving Cortese no choice other than to sack the manager. The fact there was no immediate replacement suggests this to be the case. Thus far Cortese has planned everything with great care and consideration; it is therefore infeasible that this was anything other than a sacking forced by circumstance. Rumours were rife at St Mary's at the weekend including many concerning an indescretion with a player's wife. If those rumnours are true then the silence surrounding the issue is understandable given the need to protect individuals.

 

So, maybe we should be less swift in our judgement. Cortese is a tough businessman and football these days is a tough buisness. He has done so much to save this club we should be careful before criticising. And lastly we should consider that he has done little wrong so far and he should be trusted to find a replacement for Pardew who can do at least as well - if not better.

A new poster I see.

Well after trawling through your PR piece I could argue with everyone of your points, but lets just pick one that illustrates how, at best, NC is naive, at worse arrogant and ignorant.

The photographic press ban. We have a cherished ideal in the western world called press freedom. The press is allowed to report on anything at their free will. It's the corner stone of democracy. A sporting event is just another news event. And photography just another way of reporting. If NC had paused to reflect on this before jumping in he might have saved himself the embarrassment, because their was not a snowballs in hells chance the press would have gone along with this.

Or, he could have had a look around and asked himself the question, why don't Man U insist newspapers buy their pictures from them? Or Real Madrid, or any football club in the world?. Why don't Wimbledon, Rugby, the NFL, the Olympics do this? The answers are firstly, the press have a right to report as mentioned, secondly, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, ( the event gets publicity, the newspapers get sold so why rock the boat) and thirdly, it's never worth it, NC would have made the club a few hundred quid a game at the very most.

So our CEO has alienated the press, made our club a figure of mockery and earns the business the sum total of zero.

If he is getting the easy bits so wrong what else is he ****ing up?

And one last thing for all those so keen to show their gratitude to NC for 'Saving us'. No club remotely the size of us has ever been wound up, if ML (god bless him) had not turned up with the money someone else would, so lets all get off our knees.

[eelpie]

A new poster I see.

Well after trawling through your PR piece I could argue with everyone of your points, but lets just pick one that illustrates how, at best, NC is naive, at worse arrogant and ignorant.

The photographic press ban. We have a cherished ideal in the western world called press freedom. The press is allowed to report on anything at their free will. It's the corner stone of democracy. A sporting event is just another news event. And photography just another way of reporting. If NC had paused to reflect on this before jumping in he might have saved himself the embarrassment, because their was not a snowballs in hells chance the press would have gone along with this.

Or, he could have had a look around and asked himself the question, why don't Man U insist newspapers buy their pictures from them? Or Real Madrid, or any football club in the world?. Why don't Wimbledon, Rugby, the NFL, the Olympics do this? The answers are firstly, the press have a right to report as mentioned, secondly, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, ( the event gets publicity, the newspapers get sold so why rock the boat) and thirdly, it's never worth it, NC would have made the club a few hundred quid a game at the very most.

So our CEO has alienated the press, made our club a figure of mockery and earns the business the sum total of zero.

If he is getting the easy bits so wrong what else is he ****ing up?

And one last thing for all those so keen to show their gratitude to NC for 'Saving us'. No club remotely the size of us has ever been wound up, if ML (god bless him) had not turned up with the money someone else would, so lets all get off our knees.

 

You are being naive, docker.

 

According to The Guardian, SFC made a loss of £9 million last year. If they are correct we are not rich. We (I mean SFC) are spending the Liebherr Estate's money. I am not saying that Cortese hasn't made mistakes (and he was wrong and shortsighted to ban press photographers, however Cortese WAS the driving force behind the purchase of the club and IS responsible to the Estate. Should the Estate think that SFC is no longer a worthwhile investment they could pull out and leave us with a 9 million debt. Add this year's prospective running costs and we would not be such an attractive proposition to another buyer. Dejavu?

 

We supporters have to hope that Cortese learns from mistakes and that he and the Liebherr Estate continue to support the club.

[docker-p]

You are being naive, docker.

 

According to The Guardian, SFC made a loss of £9 million last year. If they are correct we are not rich. We (I mean SFC) are spending the Liebherr Estate's money. I am not saying that Cortese hasn't made mistakes (and he was wrong and shortsighted to ban press photographers, however Cortese WAS the driving force behind the purchase of the club and IS responsible to the Estate. Should the Estate think that SFC is no longer a worthwhile investment they could pull out and leave us with a 9 million debt. Add this year's prospective running costs and we would not be such an attractive proposition to another buyer. Dejavu?

 

We supporters have to hope that Cortese learns from mistakes and that he and the Liebherr Estate continue to support the club.

I think you're right about the debt we could be saddled with if Liebherr estate pulls out. Which makes their objective of reaching the Premiership in 3 years all the more imperative. And that is not helped by NC sacking AP when he did. I was no particular fan of AP, as my many posts on him will attest. But i did think he would take us up this year, as did the vast majority of posters on this site. And now? Well appointing a new manager is always a gamble. And NC has taken that needless gamble, another poor decision, another hurdle to over come to reach the premiership, and a bigger chance we won't make it before the Liebherr family loose patience.

[Gemmel]

You are being naive, docker.

 

According to The Guardian, SFC made a loss of £9 million last year. If they are correct we are not rich. We (I mean SFC) are spending the Liebherr Estate's money. I am not saying that Cortese hasn't made mistakes (and he was wrong and shortsighted to ban press photographers, however Cortese WAS the driving force behind the purchase of the club and IS responsible to the Estate. Should the Estate think that SFC is no longer a worthwhile investment they could pull out and leave us with a 9 million debt. Add this year's prospective running costs and we would not be such an attractive proposition to another buyer. Dejavu?

 

We supporters have to hope that Cortese learns from mistakes and that he and the Liebherr Estate continue to support the club.

 

The Guardians figure is made up, we havent filed any accounts yet, so unless Cortese has told them (Which given his relationship with the press is unlikely) then don't give it any credibility.

I'm not saying we didnt make a loss, but i would be amazed if it was anything like 9 million.

[Block 5]

A new poster I see.

Well after trawling through your PR piece I could argue with everyone of your points, but lets just pick one that illustrates how, at best, NC is naive, at worse arrogant and ignorant.

The photographic press ban. We have a cherished ideal in the western world called press freedom. The press is allowed to report on anything at their free will. It's the corner stone of democracy. A sporting event is just another news event. And photography just another way of reporting.

 

Factually incorrect.

 

Sport is just like theatre. You cannot turn up to a show, start snapping pics and then sell them to whoever you want.

You pay for accreditation to use your own pics or you pay for pics.

 

Cornerstone of democracy? Oh do shut up!

[eelpie]

I think you're right about the debt we could be saddled with if Liebherr estate pulls out. Which makes their objective of reaching the Premiership in 3 years all the more imperative. And that is not helped by NC sacking AP when he did. I was no particular fan of AP, as my many posts on him will attest. But i did think he would take us up this year, as did the vast majority of posters on this site. And now? Well appointing a new manager is always a gamble. And NC has taken that needless gamble, another poor decision, another hurdle to over come to reach the premiership, and a bigger chance we won't make it before the Liebherr family loose patience.

 

I agree it has been a massive gamble (and mistake) to change manager, and I was quite confident that AP with all his faults and talents would have succeeded in achieving promotion. But possibly the delay in appointing AP's successor is a sign that NC intends to get this right rather than making a hasty decision that everyone regrets. We can only hope and grasp at straws that he does.

[SaintRichmond]

I think you're right about the debt we could be saddled with if Liebherr estate pulls out. Which makes their objective of reaching the Premiership in 3 years all the more imperative. And that is not helped by NC sacking AP when he did. I was no particular fan of AP, as my many posts on him will attest. But i did think he would take us up this year, as did the vast majority of posters on this site. And now? Well appointing a new manager is always a gamble. And NC has taken that needless gamble, another poor decision, another hurdle to over come to reach the premiership, and a bigger chance we won't make it before the Liebherr family loose patience.

 

 

Oh, "needless gamble, another poor decision"

 

So, You know WHY Cortese sacked Pardew then ?? Please tell, because none of us know

 

AND UNTIL WE DO, WE CANNOT FORMULATE A REALISTIC OPINION

[docker-p]

Oh, "needless gamble, another poor decision"

 

So, You know WHY Cortese sacked Pardew then ?? Please tell, because none of us know

 

AND UNTIL WE DO, WE CANNOT FORMULATE A REALISTIC OPINION

 

Oh please not that old chestnut. The whole point of a forum like this is to express opinions, realistic or otherwise; you've just done it.

No i don't know why NC sacked AP. But I've formed an opinion based on certain evidence. And short of AP being sacked for Gross misconduct, (which he hasn't because there would be no 'no disclosure' contract so we would all know about it, and the other two wouldn't have been sacked as well) there is no possible justification to sacking a manager capable of promotion just 3 games into a new season. Please feel free to form an opinion on my post at will.

[Deppo]

So, You know WHY Cortese sacked Pardew then ?? Please tell, because none of us know

 

Speak for yourself matey.

[docker-p]

Factually incorrect.

 

Sport is just like theatre. You cannot turn up to a show, start snapping pics and then sell them to whoever you want.

You pay for accreditation to use your own pics or you pay for pics.

 

Cornerstone of democracy? Oh do shut up!

Let me teach you. You pay for access. You can get 'accreditation' and sit pitch side or you can buy a ticket and snap away. The latter would almost certainly be in breach of the conditions of sale of the ticket, and would get you banned, however photos from an 'accredited' photographer don't mean 'edited which is what buying from an 'approved supplier' is. Sport like theatre is about access, however the content, ie what happens, is a news event which is free to report. And if you made yourself aware of the Society of Editors objection to NCs latest policy you would know it is about the Freedom to report, that is behind their advice to all papers not to buy from SFC.

Please be more specific about what is factually incorrect about the highlighted sentence. The press is NOT allowed to report on anything at their free will? A free press is NOT the corner stone of democracy? A sporting event is NOT just another news event? OR photography is NOT another way of reporting?

Edited 6 September, 2010 by docker-p

[Lance]

Freedom of Press etc, so how come celebrities make so much selling photos of their weddings etc to OK! and all the other naff mags that women read in hairdressing salons???

[SaintBobby]

A new poster I see.

Well after trawling through your PR piece I could argue with everyone of your points, but lets just pick one that illustrates how, at best, NC is naive, at worse arrogant and ignorant.

The photographic press ban. We have a cherished ideal in the western world called press freedom. The press is allowed to report on anything at their free will. It's the corner stone of democracy. A sporting event is just another news event. And photography just another way of reporting. If NC had paused to reflect on this before jumping in he might have saved himself the embarrassment, because their was not a snowballs in hells chance the press would have gone along with this.

Or, he could have had a look around and asked himself the question, why don't Man U insist newspapers buy their pictures from them? Or Real Madrid, or any football club in the world?. Why don't Wimbledon, Rugby, the NFL, the Olympics do this? The answers are firstly, the press have a right to report as mentioned, secondly, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, ( the event gets publicity, the newspapers get sold so why rock the boat) and thirdly, it's never worth it, NC would have made the club a few hundred quid a game at the very most.

So our CEO has alienated the press, made our club a figure of mockery and earns the business the sum total of zero.

If he is getting the easy bits so wrong what else is he ****ing up?

And one last thing for all those so keen to show their gratitude to NC for 'Saving us'. No club remotely the size of us has ever been wound up, if ML (god bless him) had not turned up with the money someone else would, so lets all get off our knees.

 

This is a fair criticism in many ways, but I don't buy your supplementary arguments about cornerstones of democracy etc.

 

Its just NC acting like a d ick.

[David Strover]

Freedom of the press?

 

Quote: "You might as well tell me something because if you don't I'm going to make it up anyway"

 

Was this?:

a. An electrician

b. A coal miner

c. A reporter for the Daily Mirror reporting on a murder case interviewing someone two houses down from the event.

 

Answers on a postcard please.

[trousers]

Freedom of the press?

 

Quote: "You might as well tell me something because if you don't I'm going to make it up anyway"

 

Was this?:

a. An electrician

b. A coal miner

c. A reporter for the Daily Mirror reporting on a murder case interviewing someone two houses down from the event.

 

Answers on a postcard please.

 

Is it (d) Deppo?

 

;-)

[Jez]

Let me teach you. You pay for access. You can get 'accreditation' and sit pitch side or you can buy a ticket and snap away. The latter would almost certainly be in breach of the conditions of sale of the ticket, and would get you banned, however photos from an 'accredited' photographer don't mean 'edited which is what buying from an 'approved supplier' is. Sport like theatre is about access, however the content, ie what happens, is a news event which is free to report. And if you made yourself aware of the Society of Editors objection to NCs latest policy you would know it is about the Freedom to report, that is behind their advice to all papers not to buy from SFC.

Please be more specific about what is factually incorrect about the highlighted sentence. The press is NOT allowed to report on anything at their free will? A free press is NOT the corner stone of democracy? A sporting event is NOT just another news event? OR photography is NOT another way of reporting?

 

Not really bothered about the drivel you are spouting again, but correct me if I'm wrong, but your avatar has the Saints 'normal' stripey kit pi**ing on the 125th anniversary sash kit? I presumed it was the Pompey kit getting wet till I looked closer. Odd choice.