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Fitzhugh Fella

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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Agree, I would not dismiss the achievements of Tisdale,Howe or Adkins either, especially when compared to those of footballing illuminairies such as Bryan Robson,Platt and even Pearce.

 

Exactly, even Ince has a biggish name in football management, just for being a decent player in my eyes.

 

When i look at it, i don't know about you.... but names like Keegan for example, their success for me doesn't quite add to the likes of Adkins, Howe and Curbishleys achievements, as he has only went to clubs with cash and backing. The other three have managed to steer clubs with low stature and cash to promotions. Howe's achievement is fantastic in my eyes so why people write them off is beyond me.

 

Big names really don't amound too much for me, like i said earlier, beware the managers on the way down settling at our team with supposed big names. I question their desire, a la Coppell.

Appy

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I think people need to realise and face up to the fact that Pardew has gone. Both Howe and Adkins would be very good replacements.

 

If either get us promoted i'm sure we won't see people going on about how much better Pardew is.

Red

Red

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Cheap option good at finding unknowns' date=' but could they play at CCC level if promotion is obtained[/quote']

 

Be a good option to have right now :-)

St_Tel49

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Step down ?? Not really.

 

People are forgetting Pardew was a manager on the way down when he came here, he had walked out on Reading and failed at West Ham at the highest level. I never trusted him as a person and it speaks for me that every club he has been at has ended in stories of unrest.

 

Brizzle city fans must have been creaming when they got Coppell, a man with pedigree, a man who had experience, a man........................................who has been there, done that and has nothing to prove and so has no desire and no passion. The footballing world is marred by this sort of thing, many many managers who have failed at clubs both with experience and without.

 

Howe has done fantastically well at a club with no budget and in the depths of despair, he has united a dressing room and achieved what was almost the unnacheivable, whats more he is young, new to the managerial game, will probably embrace the future of football and not be stuck in the past. Most importantly he has heart and desire. Once upon a time St Mirren took a chance on a manager about 32 or 33. He didn't turn out too bad. Another team, Porto took a chance on a guy that was trying hard to get into the managerial game, and they didn't do too bad either.

 

Thing is, picking a manager will always be hit or miss, and sometimes you need to take a chance, just as a little while ago Pardew was saying he didn't want older players looking for an easy ride i don't want a manager with an ego bought by past successes thinking the same thing, i would rather a guy with heart and desire and for me Howe fills that void.

 

On the other hand Howe is an up and coming manager with plenty to prove.

Well said!

Red

Red

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I think people need to realise and face up to the fact that Pardew has gone. Both Howe and Adkins would be very good replacements.

 

If either get us promoted i'm sure we won't see people going on about how much better Pardew is.

 

+1

 

AP has gone for whatever reason. In reality it does not matter - main issue appears to be that AP and NC could not work together ( slow burner or major incidence what's the difference in the long run?), so best to resolve it and as NC is the boss (and our saviour along with the ex ML), bye bye AP.

 

Now the key thing is to get someone (better or worse than AP in CV terms) to get the team motivated, employ at least some basic tactics, and achieve promotion. I for one believe NC will achieve this for his ex dear friend ML. Trust me, in Europe the financial markets are recovering and NC could earn a shed lot more for less hours, abuse, and criticism than he would at SFC, so I for one am desperate for him to stay and for us for to show some support (if he leaves we are again really in the mire).

 

BTW for anyone that thinks NC is a real c u n t – please re-read the official statement very very slowly and carefully, and ignoring any conspiracy and Machiavellian theories, he is clearly pained at having to make the decision he did but he felt (as our effective owner) there was no other choice !

Viking Saint

Viking Saint

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Neither Howe nor Adkins can realistically be seen as a step up from Pardew....if NC is true to his word, then AP has to be replaced with someone better/more successful/more experienced/with a proven track record of achievement.....neither Howe nor Adkins tick these boxes......this appointment has to be absolutely right...how painfully true the quote below rings.....

 

"And a word of caution to anyone who fancies the Southampton job, particularly those already in employment.

 

The Saints have not treated their managers well- nor given them time. This is not just down to the impatient sacking of seemingly successful Pardew- but the fact that they've had 14 permanent managers in the last decade and 6 in the last 4. The Solent is no haven for stability.

 

 

Read more: http://www.s****horpe.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=212012#ixzz0yWGaK568

NickG

NickG

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FWIW, I can confirm that the above HAS been interviewed for the post of SFC manager.

Know no more than that.

 

still nothing saying they have agreed to let him talk to us

Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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still nothing saying they have agreed to let him talk to us

 

Shouldn't think they will admit to it unless he actually joins. Apparently Bournemouth are desperate for the compensation.

Personally I don't think it will be him, I also think he is a little on the young side.

NickG

NickG

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his chairman almost said come and get him on radio.

 

Don't think he has been a manager yet for 18 months has he?

 

Could be very good, but how much was it his skill in managing in a seige mentality due to being B'mouth player etc?

JackFrost

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I guess they interview quite a few but this is at least interesting that Howe does feature on NC's radar.

 

Also did someone say Vince Bartram Bournemouth's gk coach was working pre match with Kelvin Davis on Tuesday night or did I dream that.

 

the commentator on solent (Not merrington) said he could have sworn it was

Legod Third Coming

Legod Third Coming

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There was also that interpreter that became a manger..... did quite well.....what was his name ??

 

Hardly. He was already a qualified coach before he became Bobby Robson's assistant (and interpreter), learning from one of the greatest managers of all time. He then studied under Van Gaal, an equally adept European manager, before taking on Benfica. He had years working with great players in the presence of great managers... He didn't fall out of language school and win the Champion's League the next day...

derry

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Could you expand on that please?

 

His team play a passing game with pace down the touchlines, are well organised and good to watch. I won't get neck ache watching Davis launch yet another bomb.

Lord Duckhunter

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Hardly. He was already a qualified coach before he became Bobby Robson's assistant (and interpreter), learning from one of the greatest managers of all time.

 

Come on!!!!!

 

"One of the greatest Managers of all time", Bobby Robson, do me a favour.

Crazy Diamond

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I can only hope this isn't the case. I don't think he's suited to the job at all. Not least because he's no record of promotion from League One and then experience of the Championship, which I believe we need.

 

I worked for AFC Bournemouth for the majority of last season as a freelance club journalist, and whilst yes, they achieved promotion, the only thing that got them promoted was the fact that Howe knew the club inside out, having been their reserve team coach, youth coach as well as their 'star' player for a number of years. They had a very good run of games at the start of the season and that early form for me is what got them promoted - their form after that was patchy for the large part.

 

He's an ambitious guy, of that I'm very sure, and also a natural born winner. He wasn't someone you wanted to cross when AFCB lost, as I actually did, to my peril on one occasion. Steep learning curve for a training journo! With that comes something else - he doesn't take orders. I think a lot of his success last season came with their chairman Eddie Mitchell not interfering and letting him do whatever he wanted. He only signs players that HE wants - with these things in mind, I can't see him working well with a chairman like Mr. Cortese (please note that this is not a criticism of him) and I can't imagine he'd enjoy having players thrust upon him - Guly, Papa Waigo etc. The big ambition of our club will be unlike anything he has ever experienced - AFC Bournemouth have a small club mentality, and that's not being harsh.

 

He's also a huge Bournemouth fan and loved his time down at the Skates, although it was extremely short. That might be irrelevant to some, but I'm quite sure he doesn't hold us in high regard.

 

My conclusion? Last resort.

Badger

Badger

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He's also a huge Bournemouth fan and loved his time down at the Skates, although it was extremely short. That might be irrelevant to some, but I'm quite sure he doesn't hold us in high regard.

 

My conclusion? Last resort.

 

I appreciate your insight into AFCB having worked there,and observations on EH. However (excuse the pun) I'm not convinced that this AFCB-Saints thing will be so ingrained that he would not want to come to us. We all know this 'rivalry' is a 'lets pretend' one, and deep down so does any Cherries fan with half a brain.

 

His time at Skates is,with respect to him as a player, is the highest level he played at so will be a time he remembers fondly.

 

Many a scouser has played for and been involved with the other team in their city,so I don't see this 'tribal' thing preventing EH from coming to us.

 

He might not be the first choice I would make,there are others ahead of him in terms of experience and potential, but he would not be last resort in my book.I'd certainly rather have the ambition/promise of a young manager such as EH, than a recycled rent a job such as Brown or Hart.

Crazy Diamond

Crazy Diamond

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I appreciate your insight into AFCB having worked there,and observations on EH. However (excuse the pun) I'm not convinced that this AFCB-Saints thing will be so ingrained that he would not want to come to us. We all know this 'rivalry' is a 'lets pretend' one, and deep down so does any Cherries fan with half a brain.

 

His time at Skates is,with respect to him as a player, is the highest level he played at so will be a time he remembers fondly.

 

Many a scouser has played for and been involved with the other team in their city,so I don't see this 'tribal' thing preventing EH from coming to us.

 

He might not be the first choice I would make,there are others ahead of him in terms of experience and potential, but he would not be last resort in my book.I'd certainly rather have the ambition/promise of a young manager such as EH, than a recycled rent a job such as Brown or Hart.

 

Oh I quite agree, it's not a massive issue, just an observation really.

 

As for the Paul Hart thing, it's just a desperate man out of football asking his agent to stir up some interest. There's a lot of it about - for example he himself only got the youth team job at the Skates in the first place because his agent wrote to a lot of clubs saying he wanted a job, Redknapp obliged.

 

Last season, a letter came into the AFCB office for the attention of Eddie Howe from the agent of Gunnar Thordvalsson, the ex-Crewe manager, saying he was desperate for a job asking if anyone could help him get back into management. Howe's response was quite funny, featuring a few expletives.

saintbletch

saintbletch

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I can only hope this isn't the case. I don't think he's suited to the job at all. Not least because he's no record of promotion from League One and then experience of the Championship, which I believe we need.

 

I worked for AFC Bournemouth for the majority of last season as a freelance club journalist, and whilst yes, they achieved promotion, the only thing that got them promoted was the fact that Howe knew the club inside out, having been their reserve team coach, youth coach as well as their 'star' player for a number of years. They had a very good run of games at the start of the season and that early form for me is what got them promoted - their form after that was patchy for the large part.

 

He's an ambitious guy, of that I'm very sure, and also a natural born winner. He wasn't someone you wanted to cross when AFCB lost, as I actually did, to my peril on one occasion. Steep learning curve for a training journo! With that comes something else - he doesn't take orders. I think a lot of his success last season came with their chairman Eddie Mitchell not interfering and letting him do whatever he wanted. He only signs players that HE wants - with these things in mind, I can't see him working well with a chairman like Mr. Cortese (please note that this is not a criticism of him) and I can't imagine he'd enjoy having players thrust upon him - Guly, Papa Waigo etc. The big ambition of our club will be unlike anything he has ever experienced - AFC Bournemouth have a small club mentality, and that's not being harsh.

 

He's also a huge Bournemouth fan and loved his time down at the Skates, although it was extremely short. That might be irrelevant to some, but I'm quite sure he doesn't hold us in high regard.

 

My conclusion? Last resort.

 

A good insight - thanks.

 

I think it shows that circumstances play such a role in gaining promotion. Managers that have proven time and time again that they can influence circumstances to gain promotion are what we need.

 

Howe MIGHT be that but he hasn't shown it yet.

Badger

Badger

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A good insight - thanks.

 

I think it shows that circumstances play such a role in gaining promotion. Managers that have proven time and time again that they can influence circumstances to gain promotion are what we need.

 

Howe MIGHT be that but he hasn't shown it yet.

 

Massive improvement on Wilkins though.

Crazy Diamond

Crazy Diamond

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Massive improvement on Wilkins though.

 

I hate it when a club appoints an assistant manager or a caretaker manager as their full time boss. It rarely ever works, despite some good stuff to begin with. I can't say I rate Brian McDermott's chances at Reading. In some ways its a blessing that Wilkins is doing a bad job so far, it means he won't be anywhere near contention.

 

I firmly believe we need a manager with experience in this division and some experience in the division above. Ideal guy? I think Sean O'Driscoll, he spent God knows how many years learning his trade at Bournemouth, so he knows the division well. He also came so close to getting them into the Championship, missing out on the play-offs on the final day a few years ago. Then with Doncaster he transformed them beyond recognition, they missed out on promotion on the last day one season, then beat Leeds in the play-off final the year after. They then established themselves in the Championship and are building on those foundations. He would be ideal in my view, but he's on to such a good thing at Doncaster that I doubt he'd want to leave, and I really don't think Doncaster would let him go under any circumstances.

 

Similar to O'Driscoll is Nigel Adkins in that respect, so I wouldn't be too upset if it was him. He's a very positive guy and I think players on the whole respond quite well to that.

 

So with these things in consideration, Howe is way, way down on my list of preferences...!

RobM

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Good result for Bournemouth and E Howe who denied approach from Southampton on Solent

 

No he didn't.

 

The question asked was 'Is there any news' regarding the job at Southampton. His answer was 'No'. He then proceeded to talk about his focus being entirely on AFCB and that being a hard enough job without this going on.

 

He never denied approach, he never denied anything. He simply answered the question 'Is there any news' with the word 'No' and tried to change the topic a little.

St Marco

St Marco

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I thought question was any approach - he said no??

 

 

Was only two possible answers i.e yes i have been approached or no i haven't been approached. He said no he haden't been approached, not sure you can get much clearer then that really?

Lord Duckhunter

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I thought he was asked if there had been an "offical" approach, but my lad was making a noise in the back of the car, so didn't hear 100%.

 

The way these things work is he's sounded out and then an approach is made to boscombe. If he's been sounded out, he's hardly likely to confirm it on radio.

Saint Fan CaM

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Sounded very much like the reply was he was not approached and that he was concentrating on Cherries. Solent confirmed their understanding of this also. I don't think he will get the job frankly and I think he knows it too, even if he was interviewed.

RobM

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The last time FF commented on this saga he was proven absolutely right, so I'd be inclined to believe him that EH has been interviewed. EH shouldn't get the job, he isn't the right man, but as a young, local manager achieving good things at a rival club in the same league, it would be stupid not to interview him at least.

Red and White Army

Red and White Army

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His team play a passing game with pace down the touchlines, are well organised and good to watch. I won't get neck ache watching Davis launch yet another bomb.

 

You have lost all credibility with your asinine assassination of Pardew.

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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Clubs dont make approach's out of thin air. The Manager approached would have made the Club aware he was interested, either via his agent or a third party, if he's not interested then an approach wont be made. Most of the time the offical approach is the last thing, with money and length of contract pretty much sorted. The only thing that scuppers the deal is compo for the existing Club.He wont have been interviewed without Boscombe knowing, but if Saints did want him, he'd have been sounded out by now. If that's the case he's hardly likely to let Solant know.

St Marco

St Marco

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The last time FF commented on this saga he was proven absolutely right, so I'd be inclined to believe him that EH has been interviewed. EH shouldn't get the job, he isn't the right man, but as a young, local manager achieving good things at a rival club in the same league, it would be stupid not to interview him at least.

 

What saga was he proven right over again?

 

I am sorry Rob but i think your thinking too deeply about his comments. He was asked any news from southampton and he said no there wasen't. To me he sounds like an intelligent but honest guy and if he had been approached the club would of had to have agreed compensation before doing so. If not we have spoken to him illegally. Now you can say what you want about Cortese but he doesn't strike me as the guy to go meeting people all hush hush in dark alley's. And Eddie doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would go behind the club who have given him a chance in football' back. He seems a loyal chap to me.

If he say's no news from Southampton i take that to mean he has not heard from them and thus is no news. Not no as in no comment.

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NickG

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agree, but thread (although not on manager rumour thread!) said been interviewed - that would need prior formal approach - and agreement with cherries

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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If not we have spoken to him illegally. Now you can say what you want about Cortese but he doesn't strike me as the guy to go meeting people all hush hush in dark alley's. And Eddie doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would go behind the club who have given him a chance in football' back. He seems a loyal chap to me.

If he say's no news from Southampton i take that to mean he has not heard from them and thus is no news. Not no as in no comment.

 

If we approach a Manager who already has a job, we will have sounded him out before any "offical" approach.That's the way these things work, otherwise we could be making offical approachs to Boscombe, Scunny, Doncaster and be turned down by all 3 managers. Do you really think NC will let himself look that stupid?

NickG

NickG

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FWIW, I can confirm that the above HAS been interviewed for the post of SFC manager.

Know no more than that.

 

Solent - any approach from Southampton?

 

 

Howe - no.

derry

derry

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You have lost all credibility with your asinine assassination of Pardew.

 

I have every right to dislike the way Pardew set up his teams. If he was as good as you obviously think, he would still be here. Get over it, he's gone and good riddance.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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I have every right to dislike the way Pardew set up his teams. If he was as good as you obviously think, he would still be here. Get over it, he's gone and good riddance.

 

Have you applied for the Job yet? I'm sure you could get saints playing the right way.................. as long as you can work in harmony with the devolopment squad

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