MarkSFC Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Lots of clubs sack managers without having replacements lined up it happens all the time, why do people think saints would be any different? caretaker managers are frenquently used by lots of clubs. Normally only after a string of bad results....I think we all know thats not the reason now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Normally only after a string of bad results....I think we all know thats not the reason now... Do we? we've had some rumours nothing more they may be correct they may not, but it seems a lot of people are prepared to accept them as truth despite the big holes in those stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 It's nice to see the inevitable change of perspective as information leaks out. The only person that is vital to the future of SFC is Nicola Cortese and by definition the Leibherr family. Alan Pardew or any manager is an irrelevance as far as the continued success of this club is concerned. Whilst the initial kneejerk emotions are understandable, a more hard headed assessment needs to be made. Just over a year ago we were headed for liquidation and saved at the eleventh hour by Markus Leibherr. Cortese was obviously astute and as a Swiss must have been very aware to even know about Saints, their predicament and their availability at a knockdown price. In addition being a close friend of a multi billionaire that would not only buy the club for £13m, but insist that his only condition for buying the club was that Cortese had to run it for him, marks him down as special. We are now in the best position this club has ever been in financially, with multi billionaire backers. Before Lowe we were a hand to mouth private club, with a broken down ground, but run by real gentlemen, hence only two excellent managers in 25 years. The Lowe years in retrospect, whatever the playing side, were a nightmare waiting to happen. Now we have the chance of a lifetime to be really something in the fullness of time and I for one don't want to see that squandered, by the stupidity of people that can't see the wood from the trees. The manager of the club has to be able to work with everybody, it is no good having an ego that gets in the way of co-operation and building the club from the bottom up. In this club the person building the club is Nicola Cortese not the manager. He sees an organisation from the bottom up with all working towards a common goal. Because of that, we don't need an old fashioned dinosaur, we need an intelligent Wenger like manager that sticks to the playing side and works as a member of a greater organisation for the overall benefit of the club. I felt that Pardew was very limited and am not sorry to see him gone. Now a year down the track Cortese with his advisors are in a much better position to chose, what could be the right manager to take us on for years. I am convinced that if Cortese, knowing what he knows now, was presented with the problem he had last year, Alan Pardew wouldn't have got the job. From my point of view, there are things that Cortese has done that could have been done better and differently, but he is also on a learning curve and whilst I didn't like what he did, I recognise that he is far and away the most important person in the club as things stand. The way this club is being built, precludes the one man band manager, it must be a team player who is a footballing manager prepared to build a proper football team backed by the vast support available. There will be no shortage of applicants but very few that will fill the bill. It may yet be that we will have to take a manager from another club who is attracted by the challenge and pay the necessary compensation but I hope that won't be needed. We don't need to throw this opportunity away making hysterical protests about something that is irrelevant. Totally spot on, best thing I've read since all this has happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 So people really think AP (formerly a hero to most on here including all in the Clotesse fan club), has committed an act that has warranted instant dismissal has he? It most be that because NC is so wise why else would he sack him in so inopportune time. Nothing to do with NC being clown then? You do not become successful and have the ear of a billionaire if you are a clown. You may not agree with the decision to sack AP, I dont personally but then again I dont know all the facts. Perhaps if they were known it would be a different feeling towards to whole thing. However, I tend to agree that if this was pre-planned we would have appointed a new manager by now. The fact we haven't and that Kelvin Davis has said NC told the players it could take a while leads me to suspect there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 We should get Lallana to see the same people you guys have seen. You all seem to have gotten over those patellar reflex problems you were all having 3 days ago. We could have Lallana's knee working perfectly by Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 We should get Lallana to see the same people you guys have seen. You all seem to have gotten over those patellar reflex problems you were all having 3 days ago. We could have Lallana's knee working perfectly by Saturday. Haha....indeed. It's all very well people reflecting on their initial reaction after 3 days once the dust has started to settle, but perhaps it would be better for knees not to jerk in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I have seen a post that describes in some detail what happened over the week or so at Staplewood, I have heard that this post has been ripped down from a few places as well. Some people claim its rubbish anway. If its correct then it seems a review of opinions is in order, if its not correct then I wonder if somebody is playing the back door "please feel sorry for me" card. Who knows what to believe. All I know is that we dont have a manager, it doesnt look like we are going to get one soon, and time is running out to be in with a chance of hitting the top of the table and staying there. Im still very worried what ever the reasons! Gutted to have missed that post. What was the jist of that then? What has allegedly been going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Haha....indeed. It's all very well people reflecting on their initial reaction after 3 days once the dust has started to settle, but perhaps it would be better for knees not to jerk in the first place? I was tired, I'd been up raving from Friday night to Monday morning, I'm sorry if I couldn't control myself. And I'm not a jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Lots of clubs sack managers without having replacements lined up it happens all the time, why do people think saints would be any different? caretaker managers are frenquently used by lots of clubs. Yes but people make out that NC had this up his sleeve for ages and that it was only a matter of when not if; for somebody supposedly so ruthless, seems that NC has been caught on the backfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 If rumours are correct not in AP interests Rumours is the big word. Don't buy this whole rumour stuff, until I see facts, it means nothing and therefore I still believe sacking Pardew was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 If the gross misconduct rumours are true, why can't Cortese just give us the details surrounding this? What does he owe to Pardew to keep things quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Does anyone not think it is strange Pardew is keeping so quiet? Not in the slightest. Let the dust settle, collect his pay-off, then maybe start talking after that. He won't say a word until he's received his money though, you can be sure of that. He won't want to even come close to breaching the terms of the NDA before he's got the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Yes but people make out that NC had this up his sleeve for ages and that it was only a matter of when not if; for somebody supposedly so ruthless, seems that NC has been caught on the backfoot. Again not really. Lots of managers are sacked and chairman have nothing lined up yet many have figured out a manager was on borrowed time. Most chairman are happy to relay on a caretaker while they find the right manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 Not in the slightest. Let the dust settle, collect his pay-off, then maybe start talking after that. He won't say a word until he's received his money though, you can be sure of that. He won't want to even come close to breaching the terms of the NDA before he's got the money. If he's really annoyed Cortese he could be just paid his salary for two years. Probably a lot more expensive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 ... where dat go? That post went through this thread quicker than last nights jalfrezi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I think Alpine is right when he suggests in the Poll thread there is a change in mood on the forum as the No vote is now down to about 55% it was higher earlier but this probably not surprising with spin coming from St Mary‘s. Although I voted No in the poll I have absolutely no problem with Pardew etc going as I have always thought that we would need a different Coaching team to get us to the Premier League but I suppose if Pardew had got us promoted this season it would have been difficult to get rid of him The timing of the sacking is all wrong in my opinion and unless there is a really good non footballing reason for his sacking I still think it should not have taken place at the end of August but I would probably have supported it at the end of July as our Pre Season seemed to be particularly awful but injuries did not help I suppose if Pardew had got us promoted this season it would have been difficult to get rid of him and his team next when the new Academy setup would be in full swing and players from there would be moving into the first team squad. That said I still think NC made a big mistake in appointing Pardew in the first place as he seems to have been a pain in the neck wherever he has been. Then completely reorganising the club as I cannot see Pardew wanting to work in a team environment and being open to the ideas of others. I have always failed to understand why lots of fans think Pardew is a great manager with all the finance behind him I think he did not perform exceptionally well last season. I do agree with the structure NC is developing as it is similar to the Dutch experiment but with money and I fully expect the club to go forward in the next few months . With regard to the major bust up rumours they maybe true as but I feel if they were as dramatic as some suggest perhaps the press would have been on to them . I am certain Paul Hart was there on Tuesday but why I have no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 ... where dat go? That post went through this thread quicker than last nights jalfrezi! See the "Libel reminder" sticky thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I was tired, I'd been up raving from Friday night to Monday morning, I'm sorry if I couldn't control myself. I forgive you :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 I think Alpine is right when he suggests in the Poll thread there is a change in mood on the forum as the No vote is now down to about 55% it was higher earlier but this probably not surprising with spin coming from St Mary‘s. What spin is that then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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