Is Les Reed the cause of AP departure?

[The9]

I think it is a fair point that you want to make your upset known. But how you do it all depends on whether you prioritise it above the needs of the team on the pitch.

 

It also depends on whether you think it makes the blindest bit of difference to the team, who for all you know might have been completely in agreement with the fans, as well as whether you're remotely bothered about the JPT.

 

The 8000 attendance suggests not, and most people last season weren't bothered until the Area final either.

 

Personally, get us out of the cups so we have no excuses for the league - but of course now we have one of those as well, because the idiot Chairman has sacked a perfectly good manager with the best squad in the division half way through his promotion plan.

[The9]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

I'm saying that most generic alcohol or sexual relations rumours about managerial departures are utter cobblers.

[Fan The Flames]

Les Reed has previous for ousting a manager, he was rumoured to have been instrumental in the sacking of Ian Dowie.

[JonnyLove]

I think the best way to look at this is to look at how Jose Left Chelsea. Everyone though it was madness but in the end they still go to the champions league final and finished second (and only just I believe).

 

At the end of the day people can speculate as much as they want and say they heard this and heard that and start adding 2+2 and getting 217452725.

 

But we don't know what has gone one behind the scenes, we don't know what is going to happen and really why not just realise this has happened and get one with just getting on.

 

Lets put it this way we are in a strong position. Things are not the same as when Rupert Lowe was here. We actually have a chance of attracting a great manager even at this level (although I would see MON here I doubt it).

 

Just relax stop all this hearsay and conjecture and just wait until something tangible actually comes our or happens. Then if you don't like it then complain, ***** or throw yourself off the itchen bridge.

 

I guarantee if we go on and win the next game no one will care who AP was. (Obviously we would need to keep winning I'm not just talking about one game but hopefully your all bright enough to realise what I am saying of course)

[NickG]

I was told (by a guy who works with a players dad) that some players were unhappy at being asked by Pardew to train both in the morning and afternoon. No idea how accurate that is. Anyone able to confirm that players were training for longer periods?

 

not knocking you but we have also had someone on here posting a good source saying it was because Pardew didn't have players training enough!!

[Deppo]

It also depends on whether you think it makes the blindest bit of difference to the team, who for all you know might have been completely in agreement with the fans, as well as whether you're remotely bothered about the JPT.

 

The 8000 attendance suggests not, and most people last season weren't bothered until the Area final either.

 

Personally, get us out of the cups so we have no excuses for the league - but of course now we have one of those as well, because the idiot Chairman has sacked a perfectly good manager with the best squad in the division half way through his promotion plan.

 

8000 attendance = most fans not interested in JPT. Fair point, but the 8000 fans there probably did want us to win, don't you think? Judging by the noises they made when we had near misses/Swindon scored it suggested to me they were interested?

 

Do you sing at matches at all?

[Deppo]

I'm saying that most generic alcohol or sexual relations rumours about managerial departures are utter cobblers.

 

But where did you hear these rumours? I haven't read any rumours about that on here? What on earth are you going on about?

[saintsub]

Deppo - my very good source tells me disquiet in the changing room is a complete poisson rouge - so fascinated to know why you know differently - PM me.

[Fan The Flames]

Don't people find it strange that this week the Echo has suddenly been invited back into the fold?

 

Methinks there is some serious spinning going on!

 

Be careful what you believe right now and don't take everything at face value would be my advice.

 

The sports editor of the echo didn't seem to be towing the club line on TalkSport the other day.

[NickG]

think easiest way is to accept that none of us have a clue, or are likely to ever know

[The9]

8000 attendance = most fans not interested in JPT. Fair point, but the 8000 fans there probably did want us to win, don't you think? Judging by the noises they made when we had near misses/Swindon scored it suggested to me they were interested?

 

Do you sing at matches at all?

 

Yeah, lots usually, though I'm quite selective, none of that chavvy "Pompey Fan on a string" rubbish or the second line of "Jose Fonte, baby" because the pause is in the wrong place. And I'm singing "whites" instead of "reds" because I'm not completely blind or deluded about our shirt colour. But aside from that... yes, I sing lots.

 

And I wanted us to play really well, get utterly robbed by the ref and lose on penalties, just for the record. At least one of those things happened.

 

Actually after about 15 minutes and for an hour after that I wished I'd stayed home and just gone to bed, the ref being so hilariously bad it was good therapy, seeing Guly's home debut (less inspiring) and O-C (possibly the best sub appearance ever in contrast to his teammates) were about the only positives.

[The9]

The sports editor of the echo didn't seem to be towing the club line on TalkSport the other day.

 

No, and if it has happened it happened after Monday, they were ringing around me and my mates for quotes then.

[The9]

But where did you hear these rumours? I haven't read any rumours about that on here? What on earth are you going on about?

 

Keep reading, I have.

[andybeal]

Just a thought - but if I was Cortese I would probably look at the most experienced and successful footballing employee at the club (ie Pardew) and kinda listen to what he said and build the club around him - rather than listening to Les Reed who appears from his cv on Wikipedia to be an abject failure!

 

The First Team has to come first!

[Toomer]

It is to do with the players. One in particular, but the team in general are behind the sacking.

 

The performance last night tells another story.

[buctootim]

Was reading a Charlton fans board a couple of days ago. Lots of positive comments about Reed and negative ones about Pardew- especially his ego and inability to work with others

No idea of the substance behind it.

 

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[saintsub]

The team are, sorry, were behind AP - DEPPO is wrong on this point.

[david in sweden]

The Echo has been advised by the Club that the decision to sack AP was not driven by performance reasons.

The two main rumours are:-

1. That there is a fall out over Guly and other players scouted by people reporting to Les Reed.

2. That there was friction between some of the training staff and AP (and his coaches). These training staff are the ones who report to Reed. Not only AP left but also his coaches.

Has Cortese simply decided to back Reed over AP? Reed often sits with Cortese and they seem to get on well. It would explain the awful timing of the decision with team performance being well down the list of priorities.

 

 

If this is true...? then Reed has become a " de facto DOF " even if he doesn't have the title.

[Topcat]

If this is true...? then Reed has become a " de facto DOF " even if he doesn't have the title.

 

Reed is actually an Executive Director which usually indicates that he is on the main Board. More powerful than a DoF.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Management/0,,10280~1640469,00.html

 

FOOTBALL DEVELOPMENT & SUPPORT CENTRE

 

Executive Director Les Reed

Administration Manager/PA Lucy Green

Elite Under 21 Coach Martin Hunter

Under 18 Youth Coach Jason Dodd

Development Goalkeeping Coach Vince Bartram

 

Scouting & Talent Identification

 

Scouting & Talent ID Manager David Burke

Scouting Administrator Vicki Cobb

Senior Squad Scout Bill Green

Youth Recruitment Scout Rod Ruddick

Academy Recruitment Scout Chris Welman

Analyst Stephen Corns

Analyst Andrew Stone

[solentstars]

Don't people find it strange that this week the Echo has suddenly been invited back into the fold?

 

Methinks there is some serious spinning going on!

 

Be careful what you believe right now and don't take everything at face value would be my advice.

 

i thought that from day one that the club have been spinning the reasons for sacking pardew.

[Saint Fan CaM]

FOOTBALL DEVELOPMENT & SUPPORT CENTRE

Executive Director Les Reed

Administration Manager/PA Lucy Green

Elite Under 21 Coach Martin Hunter

Under 18 Youth Coach Jason Dodd

Development Goalkeeping Coach Vince Bartram

 

Scouting & Talent Identification

 

Scouting & Talent ID Manager David Burke

Scouting Administrator Vicki Cobb

Senior Squad Scout Bill Green

Youth Recruitment Scout Rod Ruddick

Academy Recruitment Scout Chris Welman

Analyst Stephen Corns

Analyst Andrew Stone

 

Quite a nice little empire that one for a L1 club don't you think? Now in my simple view of the world, the development arm of a football club is a supplier to the 1st team squad. Providing any part of that organisation with the ability to influence the 1st team in any shape or form is at best counter productive and at worst fately disruptive. I am not surprised if AP had words if his position was becoming untenable due to unwanted interference in team selection.

[Topcat]

Saint Fan CaM, it all has echos to Lowe's empire diverting vital cash from the 1st year in the Championship.

 

Anyone noticed the vast leap in first team talent since Reed was appointed in April?

[doddisalegend]

Saint Fan CaM, it all has echos to Lowe's empire diverting vital cash from the 1st year in the Championship.

 

Anyone noticed the vast leap in first team talent since Reed was appointed in April?

 

Surely we should get out of league one first before spending loads of money on devolopment. The devolpment route (which is not a bad thing in my view) will take years to come to anything and we are supposed to be on a tight timetable.

[Smirking_Saint]

I was told (by a guy who works with a players dad) that some players were unhappy at being asked by Pardew to train both in the morning and afternoon. No idea how accurate that is. Anyone able to confirm that players were training for longer periods?

 

I have heard that some of the players were a little unhappy with Pardew also, so this ties in with what i have heard.

 

Also, why should Pardew or any manager have sole control over everything at a club ?? I have thought this for a little while now when sackings/leavings like this happen. Football has evolved and nowadays clubs need extensive coaching networks etc Pardew or any manager in his position is not going to know everything about everyone so co-operation is essential (all be it in correct levels).

[buctootim]

Surely we should get out of league one first before spending loads of money on devolopment. The devolpment route (which is not a bad thing in my view) will take years to come to anything and we are supposed to be on a tight timetable.

 

Thats only true if the money is so limited that choices have to made between first team OR development. At the last count we appeared to be able to afford to do both simultaneously.

[doddisalegend]

Thats only true if the money is so limited that choices have to made between first team OR development. At the last count we appeared to be able to afford to do both simultaneously.

 

I was under the impression the club is supposed to be self funding and living within our means. I don't believe we have unlimited pots of money that some believe.

[saintsub]

I have heard that some of the players were a little unhappy with Pardew also, so this ties in with what i have heard.

 

Also, why should Pardew or any manager have sole control over everything at a club ?? I have thought this for a little while now when sackings/leavings like this happen. Football has evolved and nowadays clubs need extensive coaching networks etc Pardew or any manager in his position is not going to know everything about everyone so co-operation is essential (all be it in correct levels).

 

Of course some will be unhappy - poor loves having to earn their money doing a full days work instead of going home at 12 midday like everyone else. God it is such a demanding job. Sounds like crap to me - hell of an excuse for sacking someone!!

[Norm]

So all of a sudden NC is friendly enough with the local red top to give them this info? hmmmm.

 

 

'It's a funny old game'

 

You really couldn't make it up if you tried. One minute, the Echo are treated like Lepers at SMS and the relationship was f&%*ed. Now, we have a 'source close to Cortese' spilling the beans to the Echo! Spin and more spin. On a day when Emperor Blair's book of bull**** hits the shops, now we are being fed more BS!

 

'It's a funny old game'

[Whitey Grandad]

I hadn't realised until this morning that Les Reed got the sack at Charlton to make way for Pardew. That's probably not the best foundation for a solid working relationship.

 

That would explain a lot. "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,"

[Smirking_Saint]

Of course some will be unhappy - poor loves having to earn their money doing a full days work instead of going home at 12 midday like everyone else. God it is such a demanding job. Sounds like crap to me - hell of an excuse for sacking someone!!

 

Don't think it is just about the training.

 

Some of the players are unhappy with some of the ways AP was working. AP had lost all interest working for NC but wasn't just going to walk (and TBF why should he?)

 

So NC did what was needed. What i don't know, (as someone said earlier it was ML that wanted rid and not NC) is if the decision to lose AP at the end of last season was made why not do it then and get a new man in early ??

 

Another theory i shall chuck out there (and this is just IMO) is that perhaps NC thought if AP was chopped then AP,MS,RL would think about leaving and so keeping him in until the transfer window was all but shut would keep them at the club ?? Or perhaps something happened last week to really break the whole relationship ?

 

What i do know is that the martin story is tripe.

[Whitey Grandad]

If you are going to blame last night's performance on psychological issues, then I think it was more the pro-Pardew songs that unsettled the team on the pitch.

 

I think you credit the fans with more influence than they actually have. I once asked a Saints' player if the crowd made any difference. He said that once you were on the pitch it was total concentration and you hardly noticed the crowd.

[buctootim]

That would explain a lot. "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned,"

 

There was speculation about this on the Charlton fans board. Reed got a lot of support and praise, Pardew was widely criticsed for having a huge ego, talking a good show and not delivering. Probably not fair, but then thats fans for you.

[Smirking_Saint]

I think you credit the fans with more influence than they actually have. I once asked a Saints' player if the crowd made any difference. He said that once you were on the pitch it was total concentration and you hardly noticed the crowd.

 

It was cringworthy and rather pathetic, especially after those same fans boo'd some of Pardews teams performances this year. Fickle w*nkers.

[Smirking_Saint]

There was speculation about this on the Charlton fans board. Reed got a lot of support and praise, Pardew was widely criticsed for having a huge ego, talking a good show and not delivering. Probably not fair, but then thats fans for you.

 

Heard exactly the same from Reading fans, who, after all he did for them don't like him.

[Crab Lungs]

I don't give a flying ant what the moral at the training ground is like. Every thing is there for one purpose only and one purpose only to win first team football matches. Moral at Staplewood is a complete red herring. If crap moral drives success for AP then I'm all for it - or was !

 

I'd suggest it's far easier to win football matches with a happy squad than a miserable one...

[Norm]

I'm saying that most generic alcohol or sexual relations rumours about managerial departures are utter cobblers.

 

 

So who is spreading them? And why?

 

Silly me, of course I knew the answer before I asked the question doh.

[NickG]

It was known by members of staff that Pardew applying for other jobs

[Whitey Grandad]

It was known by members of staff that Pardew applying for other jobs

 

And who can blame him? If all the stories over the last 9 months have been true then this would be a sensible precaution, as has been proved by recent events. He doesn't appear to me to be the sort of person who would go round telling everybody though.

[NickG]

don't think he did tell everyone! But it wasn't tight secret

[Deppo]

The team are, sorry, were behind AP - DEPPO is wrong on this point.

 

You have every right not to believe me. I don't blame you if you do as I haven't given much away, but I promise you that I am not wrong.

[Torres]

Reed is actually an Executive Director which usually indicates that he is on the main Board. More powerful than a DoF.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Management/0,,10280~1640469,00.html

 

FOOTBALL DEVELOPMENT & SUPPORT CENTRE

 

Executive Director Les Reed

 

Erm, he is "Executive Director" of the "Football Development and Support Centre", not the whole bloody football club!

[Topcat]

Erm, he is "Executive Director" of the "Football Development and Support Centre", not the whole bloody football club!

 

Torres the term "Executive Director" is a convention that usually means that individual is one of the Executive Directors on the Board.

[Topcat]

It was known by members of staff that Pardew applying for other jobs

 

But if that is the reason for his firing, why fire 2 of his coaches as well?

[saintsub]

It was known by members of staff that Pardew applying for other jobs

 

What I also know for FACT is that NC drove AP very hard however AP had the respect from the changing room. I would therefore surmise AP was pushed before he was jumped. I also know NC is not a nice man (FACT and inside knowledge) and as we now all know exceedingly ruthless.....but I still completely disagree with losing Pardew at this point in the season.

[buctootim]

But if that is the reason for his firing, why fire 2 of his coaches as well?

 

Because they were planning to go as a management team?

[Deppo]

Because they were planning to go as a management team?

 

More that they were part of his drinking club, I think you'll find.

[saintsub]

More that they were part of his drinking club, I think you'll find.

 

Are you paid by NC PR consultancy to dis AP or something? - Pse tell me why going for a drink with your work / friends colleagues (if he did) might suddenly make this a problem for you? I really wish you would please come out and say what you think (know happend) or stop obliquely hinting at some Machiavellian conspiracy.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by saintsub
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[buctootim]

More that they were part of his drinking club, I think you'll find.

 

Was he ****ed at training ala Burley? (allegedly)

[Deppo]

Was he ****ed at training ala Burley? (allegedly)

 

No.

[buctootim]

ta,