Well done Cortese

[hypochondriac]

The performance and result.

 

Lee Barnard sounds like he was the only one who gave a sh*t, but we about it with a little too much gusto.

 

Nope you are wrong. They were affected by Pardew's sacking (and Fonte was our best player not Barnard with Chamberlin not far behind.)

[The9]

The performance and result.

 

Lee Barnard sounds like he was the only one who gave a sh*t, but we about it with a little too much gusto.

 

Having witnessed it, I'd add Kelvin Davis and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (who was phenomenal in effort and skill for the time he was on there) to that list.

 

We were just outright bad at the back at times, the second goal was just utterly diabolical set piece defending. I actually took a photo of the shape immediately prior to the free-kick and Jaidi and Fonte were a clear 10-15 yards apart, you could have got the Bargate between them into the space Swindon scored in and no-one tracked the runner into the box - at a set-piece. Fonte at least did well on the ball going forward, but was guilty of some heinous hacking at points too.

 

There were some similarities to the second half performances against Plymouth and Orient, and even without "Pardew's instructions" we still hoofed it aimlessly on occasion and showed no central creativity. But all that shows is that without motivation and effort there's no hope against any opposition.

[martel]

Whilst I am not at all happy with the situation we now face, I do think that we should wait and see how this all pans out before mud is thrown; we only have one side of the story, Q.E.D. Pardew was fired, as to the reason we are all guessing, therefore I am afraid that we have to give Cortese the benefit of the doubt for the moment; He was put in control of the club by M.L. and therefore should respect his judgement for the time being. No doubt I will have some mud thrown at me for this post, all I am saying is that the jury is out, however, upon its return and I do not believe justice has been done, then I will call for heads along with the rest of you.

[Deppo]

Nope you are wrong. They were affected by Pardew's sacking (and Fonte was our best player not Barnard with Chamberlin not far behind.)

 

Nope you are wrong. They were not affected by Pardew's sacking as much as they were by the fan's support of Pardew. Pardew went because of issues with the players, one in particular.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Nope you are wrong. They were not affected by Pardew's sacking as much as they were by the fan's support of Pardew. Pardew went because of issues with the players, one in particular.

 

Are you suggesting that one player can determine if the manager stays or goes....really?

 

So NC will be taking advice from said player regarding next appointment and if this player

then decides he doesnt lik him after all it will be another sacking...

 

I really hope not or we do have a problem..

[Hopkins]

Nope you are wrong. They were affected by Pardew's sacking (and Fonte was our best player not Barnard with Chamberlin not far behind.)

 

Fonte?

 

I'd like to point out that being dominated in the air by Pericard and being given the run around, and skinned and generally not being able to keep track of Austin, is not criteria for being our best player.

 

He had some nice interceptions, mainly towards the end when Austin had gone off and tried driving us forward from the back but nowhere near our best player last night. Nor was Barnard, who did what exactly? Ran round a bit, put a bad tackle in, screamed at the ref and ran off? Super! Morgan was our only midfielder willing to actually come get the ball and spray a pass and Ox was the only one who when he came on looked like he wanted to have a bit of a go.

 

Connelly did quite well without any luck. Lack of Lambert movement didn't help.

[Frank's cousin]

Feck what a bunch of whinging school girls and drama queens we have as fans... Jeez. Why are we SOOOOoooo afraid of strong leadership that demands the highest standards? Why are we so ingrained with old school mentalities of what we believe the management structure of a club should look like, despite, the simple fact that much of Europe has chnaged to a more modern coaching structure and policy? FFS, we have in a charge a man who brought Markus Liebherr to the club, who, has set an ambitious target of what is now Premiership football in 4 years time, he has eensured we have invested heavily for our league status and is has initiated plan of 'succession' with the U21 set up that is mirrored on the continent.

 

What the feck is this obssession with what are frankly outdated principles where the only justification and rationale for them is...'its the way it is in the lower leagues?' - ****** I say, if you have that mentality, you are preparing yourself for being established in the lower leagues.

 

There is this archaic, nostalgic sentimentality about British football that has hindered our progress, ******ed any long term development and was starkly shown to be out dated by the poor quality showing of the national side... Chris Waddle was right with his rant about the stuufed shirts at the FA, but it seems to me that mentality is not restricted to those old farts bbut is rife in the fans throughout the game.

 

We had the same kind of neighsaying, scaremongering panic with SCW, driven out by the usual smear and lynch mob mentality of those too frightened of anything new, frightened to give things a chance.. I mean afterall we had done nothing but have success and win loads under teh 'traditional system' so what was the point of trying alternatives....

 

Same crap is heard when dicussing anything to do with business in football... as if it has no place, as if unless you are a die hard socialist (and I speak as someone very much left of centre) there was no room for you in football - how these prejudices are so blatent in many posters anti Cortese rants...

 

Sure I was surprized by Pards is sacking. I happened to think he was a decent bloke, maybe a little tactically naive, but doing an OK job on the field... but the fact reamins that there was friction - the reason for which is already being speculated, but it wa sthere and REGARDLESS of the reasons behind it, it could not continue. Cortese or Pards? Simple choice. Those that think we would be better off without cortese, should consider what would happen... the club sold, possibly to some tin pot who borrowed loads and landed the club with the debt of purchase - but hey thats OK, it might be a 'real' football man, and a local...oh sorry did we not have a couple of those types before?

 

FFS. Cortese is driven by us achieving success quickly - he is doing it his way - as he has probably always done. If he fails in 4 years, then we can all question his methods and approach. Until then its time that we got behind the club we say we support, sure raise the odd eyebrow when things happen which we think are a bit left field, but just because things are different, does not make them wrong...and that attitude is IMHO sadly reflected in alot of these whinging posts.

[The9]

Feck what a bunch of whinging school girls and drama queens we have as fans... Jeez. Why are we SOOOOoooo afraid of strong leadership that demands the highest standards? Why are we so ingrained with old school mentalities of what we believe the management structure of a club should look like, despite, the simple fact that much of Europe has chnaged to a more modern coaching structure and policy? FFS, we have in a charge a man who brought Markus Liebherr to the club, who, has set an ambitious target of what is now Premiership football in 4 years time, he has eensured we have invested heavily for our league status and is has initiated plan of 'succession' with the U21 set up that is mirrored on the continent.

 

What the feck is this obssession with what are frankly outdated principles where the only justification and rationale for them is...'its the way it is in the lower leagues?' - ****** I say, if you have that mentality, you are preparing yourself for being established in the lower leagues.

 

There is this archaic, nostalgic sentimentality about British football that has hindered our progress, ******ed any long term development and was starkly shown to be out dated by the poor quality showing of the national side... Chris Waddle was right with his rant about the stuufed shirts at the FA, but it seems to me that mentality is not restricted to those old farts bbut is rife in the fans throughout the game.

 

We had the same kind of neighsaying, scaremongering panic with SCW, driven out by the usual smear and lynch mob mentality of those too frightened of anything new, frightened to give things a chance.. I mean afterall we had done nothing but have success and win loads under teh 'traditional system' so what was the point of trying alternatives....

 

Same crap is heard when dicussing anything to do with business in football... as if it has no place, as if unless you are a die hard socialist (and I speak as someone very much left of centre) there was no room for you in football - how these prejudices are so blatent in many posters anti Cortese rants...

 

Sure I was surprized by Pards is sacking. I happened to think he was a decent bloke, maybe a little tactically naive, but doing an OK job on the field... but the fact reamins that there was friction - the reason for which is already being speculated, but it wa sthere and REGARDLESS of the reasons behind it, it could not continue. Cortese or Pards? Simple choice. Those that think we would be better off without cortese, should consider what would happen... the club sold, possibly to some tin pot who borrowed loads and landed the club with the debt of purchase - but hey thats OK, it might be a 'real' football man, and a local...oh sorry did we not have a couple of those types before?

 

FFS. Cortese is driven by us achieving success quickly - he is doing it his way - as he has probably always done. If he fails in 4 years, then we can all question his methods and approach. Until then its time that we got behind the club we say we support, sure raise the odd eyebrow when things happen which we think are a bit left field, but just because things are different, does not make them wrong...and that attitude is IMHO sadly reflected in alot of these whinging posts.

 

It's a sad indictment of Cortese's decision-making that we were discussing if we'd be better off without him and the money altogether last night.

 

I pretty much said "One Alan Pardew" is what's coming out of my mouth, but what I mean is "Do You Think You Could Just Leave But Not Take The Money In Case We Need It For Anything ?".

 

I'm not battling change as a general concept, for a start I was in favour of Woodward bringing some sports science and roundly mocked anyone who just didn't get it. I'm battling crap decision making initially at the expense of the fans, then in the pursuit of short-sighted revenue, and now, suddenly, at the expense of results.

[Foxstone]

Good post Frank

 

My sentiments too and may I also congratulate your spelling !

[alpine_saint]

Feck what a bunch of whinging school girls and drama queens we have as fans... Jeez. Why are we SOOOOoooo afraid of strong leadership that demands the highest standards? Why are we so ingrained with old school mentalities of what we believe the management structure of a club should look like, despite, the simple fact that much of Europe has chnaged to a more modern coaching structure and policy? FFS, we have in a charge a man who brought Markus Liebherr to the club, who, has set an ambitious target of what is now Premiership football in 4 years time, he has eensured we have invested heavily for our league status and is has initiated plan of 'succession' with the U21 set up that is mirrored on the continent.

 

What the feck is this obssession with what are frankly outdated principles where the only justification and rationale for them is...'its the way it is in the lower leagues?' - ****** I say, if you have that mentality, you are preparing yourself for being established in the lower leagues.

 

There is this archaic, nostalgic sentimentality about British football that has hindered our progress, ******ed any long term development and was starkly shown to be out dated by the poor quality showing of the national side... Chris Waddle was right with his rant about the stuufed shirts at the FA, but it seems to me that mentality is not restricted to those old farts bbut is rife in the fans throughout the game.

 

We had the same kind of neighsaying, scaremongering panic with SCW, driven out by the usual smear and lynch mob mentality of those too frightened of anything new, frightened to give things a chance.. I mean afterall we had done nothing but have success and win loads under teh 'traditional system' so what was the point of trying alternatives....

 

Same crap is heard when dicussing anything to do with business in football... as if it has no place, as if unless you are a die hard socialist (and I speak as someone very much left of centre) there was no room for you in football - how these prejudices are so blatent in many posters anti Cortese rants...

 

Sure I was surprized by Pards is sacking. I happened to think he was a decent bloke, maybe a little tactically naive, but doing an OK job on the field... but the fact reamins that there was friction - the reason for which is already being speculated, but it wa sthere and REGARDLESS of the reasons behind it, it could not continue. Cortese or Pards? Simple choice. Those that think we would be better off without cortese, should consider what would happen... the club sold, possibly to some tin pot who borrowed loads and landed the club with the debt of purchase - but hey thats OK, it might be a 'real' football man, and a local...oh sorry did we not have a couple of those types before?

 

FFS. Cortese is driven by us achieving success quickly - he is doing it his way - as he has probably always done. If he fails in 4 years, then we can all question his methods and approach. Until then its time that we got behind the club we say we support, sure raise the odd eyebrow when things happen which we think are a bit left field, but just because things are different, does not make them wrong...and that attitude is IMHO sadly reflected in alot of these whinging posts.

 

Blimey. I agree with you !

[opthomps]

+1 agree with franks cousins good post.

 

at the moment we just need to appoint a good manager to have a chance of promotion. if we drive cortese out then we are deep in the mire.

[Frank's cousin]

It's a sad indictment of Cortese's decision-making that we were discussing if we'd be better off without him and the money altogether last night.

 

I pretty much said "One Alan Pardew" is what's coming out of my mouth, but what I mean is "Do You Think You Could Just Leave But Not Take The Money In Case We Need It For Anything ?".

 

I'm not battling change as a general concept, for a start I was in favour of Woodward bringing some sports science and roundly mocked anyone who just didn't get it. I'm battling crap decision making initially at the expense of the fans, then in the pursuit of short-sighted revenue, and now, suddenly, at the expense of results.

 

Sorry If I was ranting a little... but it really gets me rattled. I appreciate what you are saying in that if you look at it from a purely footballing perspective, after a recent good win, it appears on the surface to be a very strange and odd decision. Add to this the fact that we raely hear much from Nicola (and nothing infuriates the masses like being 'in the dark') and its no great surprize to see this reaction. BUT, its completely OTT, because we knew there was a problem between the two/three and naturally 90% seem to side with Pards because we were doing 'OK' on the pitch. I just happen to think that its maybe, just maybe about time to give the 'non-footballing' folk a break. Let Cortese get on with his plan - surely he is owed that chance - now in an ideal world he and Pards would have got on like a house on fire and all would have been rosey - but what if in 3 years time, standing on the cusp of promotion to the prem, pards was simply not good enough... would we then have a go at Cortese for not having got rid sooner, for perhaps putting friendship ahead of the interests of the club?

 

We need to finally just for once give something the chance - for the full term. Not keep changing alliegences everytime something happens we dont personally agree with - and thats different from not having an opinion on things - Thats normal, but the reactionary scorn, and vitriol that is spouted everytime someone is a little 'upset' at Cortese's decisions does little to unite the fans.

 

I have absolutely no doubt that Cortese will make genuine mistakes during his tenure. And those genuine mistakes, I suspect he will learn from - afterall, he is a successful man and I know no succesful folk whio have not learned from their errors.... but we seem hell bent on calling everything a mistake simply because a) dont agree with it, and b) dont know why it was done (or speculate x rumour x gossip = urban legend of negativity)

 

It may be as you say that this decison has a negative impact on results in the short term, but its the long term impact that concerns me, and I suspect the decison was made with that in mind - the fact remains, as harsh as it might be for Pards, that if they did not get on, long term it was never going to work, so surely better to make the chnage sooner rather than later. I know that many may now say, 'well if he was going to do it, why did he not do it at th end of teh season and give the knew man a chance?' well good question - I just point you in the direction of the fans thats that take pride in the fact that their reaction to the rumours of just that prevented it then... seems we want it both ways

 

It may be that he does fail. And that in 4 years we may just have scraped a promotion to the CCC - then I am happy to accept the flak for my opinion. But I am just fed up with this constant search for new ways to undermine what is a new era and a new approach, just because some dont necessarily agree with it.

[Saint Billy]

Blimey. I agree with you !

 

Me too! Cripes..... I think I am going to have to lie down for a few hours.

[RonManager]

Sorry If I was ranting a little... dont necessarily agree with it.

 

Nuts hell

+1

Nail/head

This

Spot on

 

etc etc

 

Keep the Faith

COYS

[corsacar saint]

As I alluded to in an earlier post,it is possible NC has never failed in anything in his life,and certainly does not want too fail now.For his own peace of mind,and the memory of his great friend Markus,Saints getting promoted this season is probably as important to him,as anything,that has so far happened in his life.

As for the reasons for Pardews departure,we may never know,but let us wait until the end of the season,to see if NC was right.

Failure is not something that is easy to accept for any of us,least of all NC.

[doddisalegend]

Sorry If I was ranting a little... but it really gets me rattled. I appreciate what you are saying in that if you look at it from a purely footballing perspective, after a recent good win, it appears on the surface to be a very strange and odd decision. Add to this the fact that we raely hear much from Nicola (and nothing infuriates the masses like being 'in the dark') and its no great surprize to see this reaction. BUT, its completely OTT, because we knew there was a problem between the two/three and naturally 90% seem to side with Pards because we were doing 'OK' on the pitch. I just happen to think that its maybe, just maybe about time to give the 'non-footballing' folk a break. Let Cortese get on with his plan - surely he is owed that chance - now in an ideal world he and Pards would have got on like a house on fire and all would have been rosey - but what if in 3 years time, standing on the cusp of promotion to the prem, pards was simply not good enough... would we then have a go at Cortese for not having got rid sooner, for perhaps putting friendship ahead of the interests of the club?

 

We need to finally just for once give something the chance - for the full term. Not keep changing alliegences everytime something happens we dont personally agree with - and thats different from not having an opinion on things - Thats normal, but the reactionary scorn, and vitriol that is spouted everytime someone is a little 'upset' at Cortese's decisions does little to unite the fans.

 

I have absolutely no doubt that Cortese will make genuine mistakes during his tenure. And those genuine mistakes, I suspect he will learn from - afterall, he is a successful man and I know no succesful folk whio have not learned from their errors.... but we seem hell bent on calling everything a mistake simply because a) dont agree with it, and b) dont know why it was done (or speculate x rumour x gossip = urban legend of negativity)

 

It may be as you say that this decison has a negative impact on results in the short term, but its the long term impact that concerns me, and I suspect the decison was made with that in mind - the fact remains, as harsh as it might be for Pards, that if they did not get on, long term it was never going to work, so surely better to make the chnage sooner rather than later. I know that many may now say, 'well if he was going to do it, why did he not do it at th end of teh season and give the knew man a chance?' well good question - I just point you in the direction of the fans thats that take pride in the fact that their reaction to the rumours of just that prevented it then... seems we want it both ways

 

It may be that he does fail. And that in 4 years we may just have scraped a promotion to the CCC - then I am happy to accept the flak for my opinion. But I am just fed up with this constant search for new ways to undermine what is a new era and a new approach, just because some dont necessarily agree with it.

 

What like a manager?

 

I wonder if you were of the same opinion during the dutch experiment or the sir clive debacle under Lowe.

 

We have a lot to thank NC for but he can't live off the "I saved your club" goodwill forever.

[Frank's cousin]

[/color]

 

What like a manager?

 

I wonder if you were of the same opinion during the dutch experiment or the sir clive debacle under Lowe.

 

We have a lot to thank NC for but he can't live off the "I saved your club" goodwill forever.

 

You are right, not forever, but certainly until we see how things pan out under his leadership. Re the manager, I know what you mean, but it needs to be looked at from the perspective of the friction that was there...

 

Re SCW and teh 'dutch experiment - in a way I was intrigued and positive about both. The problem in both cases was NOT the principle of the approaches, but the execution - in the dutch duo case the quality of those implementing it, and the fact that it was expected to work overnight - eg, we had sold all the experienced players and the duo were expected to draft kids into the first team from day 1... With SCW, Lowe failed in clear definition of roles, and integration into the structure that complemented the 1st team system... and Redknapp was never going to be receptive to it - in fact hell would probably freeze over before that relic adopted change

[West End Saint]

I am very worried about NC, sacking Pards now is a mistake if he did it at the end of last season fair enough I wouldnt have agreed with it but I could have understood it.

 

Taking on Murdoch is mad for a 3rd division club wether he has a point or not the press ban is adversly affecting our club he should be building bridges and getting the positives of SFC in the media not fighting them all I cant see an end to it who will back down ?

 

I have heard from reliable sources that have 1st hand knowledge that he is horrible and nasty and not someone who will accept any opinion other than his own.

 

The final nail in the coffin is at the 2nd game in Switzerland he was wearing a white suite a deck chair shirt loafers with no socks giving it Billy big potatoes enough said

[Jonnyboy]

I consider myself to be in that middle ground, pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the OTT posters.

 

Someone wanted NC dead on here yesterday, FFS.

 

just using my imagination

[Jonnyboy]

Feck what a bunch of whinging school girls and drama queens we have as fans... Jeez. Why are we SOOOOoooo afraid of strong leadership that demands the highest standards? Why are we so ingrained with old school mentalities of what we believe the management structure of a club should look like, despite, the simple fact that much of Europe has chnaged to a more modern coaching structure and policy? FFS, we have in a charge a man who brought Markus Liebherr to the club, who, has set an ambitious target of what is now Premiership football in 4 years time, he has eensured we have invested heavily for our league status and is has initiated plan of 'succession' with the U21 set up that is mirrored on the continent.

 

What the feck is this obssession with what are frankly outdated principles where the only justification and rationale for them is...'its the way it is in the lower leagues?' - ****** I say, if you have that mentality, you are preparing yourself for being established in the lower leagues.

 

There is this archaic, nostalgic sentimentality about British football that has hindered our progress, ******ed any long term development and was starkly shown to be out dated by the poor quality showing of the national side... Chris Waddle was right with his rant about the stuufed shirts at the FA, but it seems to me that mentality is not restricted to those old farts bbut is rife in the fans throughout the game.

 

We had the same kind of neighsaying, scaremongering panic with SCW, driven out by the usual smear and lynch mob mentality of those too frightened of anything new, frightened to give things a chance.. I mean afterall we had done nothing but have success and win loads under teh 'traditional system' so what was the point of trying alternatives....

 

Same crap is heard when dicussing anything to do with business in football... as if it has no place, as if unless you are a die hard socialist (and I speak as someone very much left of centre) there was no room for you in football - how these prejudices are so blatent in many posters anti Cortese rants...

 

Sure I was surprized by Pards is sacking. I happened to think he was a decent bloke, maybe a little tactically naive, but doing an OK job on the field... but the fact reamins that there was friction - the reason for which is already being speculated, but it wa sthere and REGARDLESS of the reasons behind it, it could not continue. Cortese or Pards? Simple choice. Those that think we would be better off without cortese, should consider what would happen... the club sold, possibly to some tin pot who borrowed loads and landed the club with the debt of purchase - but hey thats OK, it might be a 'real' football man, and a local...oh sorry did we not have a couple of those types before?

 

FFS. Cortese is driven by us achieving success quickly - he is doing it his way - as he has probably always done. If he fails in 4 years, then we can all question his methods and approach. Until then its time that we got behind the club we say we support, sure raise the odd eyebrow when things happen which we think are a bit left field, but just because things are different, does not make them wrong...and that attitude is IMHO sadly reflected in alot of these whinging posts.

 

No. I believe if AP had stayed we wouldve been promoted. We needed that stability.

 

If we are promoted this season 99% of people on here will forget about AP, including me, and be fine with NCs decision making.

Otherwise be prepared for anger cos theres gonna be a lot

[Seaford Saint]

No. I believe if AP had stayed we wouldve been promoted. We needed that stability.

 

If we are promoted this season 99% of people on here will forget about AP, including me, and be fine with NCs decision making.

Otherwise be prepared for anger cos theres gonna be a lot

 

Absolutley agree with this. This is why I find the decision to remove Pardew now so strange. I hesitate to ask the blindingly obvious question (blindingly obvious to me, that is)....who is more important to the club the football manager or the owner/football management? My answer would be the footy manager....I can't say for certain that Cortese was wrong but I can say that it was an unnecessary action that brings with it all sorts of variables such as a new manager in charge of a team he did not pick etc. We needed a couple of players more to have achieved promotion....I hope I am proved wrong, I know I acn't really be proved wrong with Pardew having left but after the latter half of last season, the JPT etc we were there or thereabouts.

[aintforever]

Feck what a bunch of whinging school girls and drama queens we have as fans... Jeez. Why are we SOOOOoooo afraid of strong leadership that demands the highest standards? Why are we so ingrained with old school mentalities of what we believe the management structure of a club should look like, despite, the simple fact that much of Europe has chnaged to a more modern coaching structure and policy? FFS, we have in a charge a man who brought Markus Liebherr to the club, who, has set an ambitious target of what is now Premiership football in 4 years time, he has eensured we have invested heavily for our league status and is has initiated plan of 'succession' with the U21 set up that is mirrored on the continent.

 

What the feck is this obssession with what are frankly outdated principles where the only justification and rationale for them is...'its the way it is in the lower leagues?' - ****** I say, if you have that mentality, you are preparing yourself for being established in the lower leagues.

 

There is this archaic, nostalgic sentimentality about British football that has hindered our progress, ******ed any long term development and was starkly shown to be out dated by the poor quality showing of the national side... Chris Waddle was right with his rant about the stuufed shirts at the FA, but it seems to me that mentality is not restricted to those old farts bbut is rife in the fans throughout the game.

 

We had the same kind of neighsaying, scaremongering panic with SCW, driven out by the usual smear and lynch mob mentality of those too frightened of anything new, frightened to give things a chance.. I mean afterall we had done nothing but have success and win loads under teh 'traditional system' so what was the point of trying alternatives....

 

Same crap is heard when dicussing anything to do with business in football... as if it has no place, as if unless you are a die hard socialist (and I speak as someone very much left of centre) there was no room for you in football - how these prejudices are so blatent in many posters anti Cortese rants...

 

Sure I was surprized by Pards is sacking. I happened to think he was a decent bloke, maybe a little tactically naive, but doing an OK job on the field... but the fact reamins that there was friction - the reason for which is already being speculated, but it wa sthere and REGARDLESS of the reasons behind it, it could not continue. Cortese or Pards? Simple choice. Those that think we would be better off without cortese, should consider what would happen... the club sold, possibly to some tin pot who borrowed loads and landed the club with the debt of purchase - but hey thats OK, it might be a 'real' football man, and a local...oh sorry did we not have a couple of those types before?

 

FFS. Cortese is driven by us achieving success quickly - he is doing it his way - as he has probably always done. If he fails in 4 years, then we can all question his methods and approach. Until then its time that we got behind the club we say we support, sure raise the odd eyebrow when things happen which we think are a bit left field, but just because things are different, does not make them wrong...and that attitude is IMHO sadly reflected in alot of these whinging posts.

 

To be fair you made similar lengthy rambling justifying our lunatic chairman appointing a rugby coach, and then again when with the total football with kids approach. You were completely wrong on both occasions.

[sadoldgit]

No. I believe if AP had stayed we wouldve been promoted. We needed that stability.

 

If we are promoted this season 99% of people on here will forget about AP, including me, and be fine with NCs decision making.

Otherwise be prepared for anger cos theres gonna be a lot

 

I agree. I can't believe that e are going through this process again when if there is one thing this club needs it is to keep hold of a manager for a decent length of time. Clubs that do well are stable clubs in the main. You get the sense that with Cortese's impatience we are not going to get that from him. It is all very well going on about strength etc but Lowe was the same and he got blasted for it. It is all very well kicking ar*e if your decisions are the right ones. Time will tell with Cortese but this was his biggest call so far and I think he got it totally wrong.

[StVince1966]

nicola is not strokeing his own ego why should he? cortese is a million times the gentleman any of our chairman have been in the last twenty years. for one he is not creaming off the profits paying himself whatever to buy shares or farms in gloucester or whereever it is? he is a very wealthy business man in his own right who has a drive for success for this club we should be proud of not slateing him for getting rid of a very average manager.i for one hated every single day lowe represented my club and his self righteous attitude! how short memories so many of you have! in nicola i trust mistakes and all !

[hackedoff]

Look, I realise that some of you felt that Pardew was the greatest manager of our time, but, I have a different perspective. And whilst he is no longer our manager, I am suggesting you put it in the past and look forward.

 

Yes, he has gone just as the transfer window has shut, but seriously, a new manager would look at this squad and wet himself. With one or two loanee's, where would you rather be? Lambert and Barnard, probably the best 2 strikers in this league, Fonte, Jaidi, Harding, Dickson, Butterfield, probably the best defenders in this league, Kelvin and Bart, arguably the 2 best keepers for a 1 and 2 in this league, Morgan, one of the brightest prospects in french football, playing in this league, Lallana, one of the best british talents outside the Prem, Puncheon, goal scoring wide man, Hammond, sound, secure and experienced, plus the likes of Connolly, Guly etc etc etc, I could go on and on and on. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM AT THIS LEVEL! A manager could come in here and really achieve something good. Get promoted and buy a few more for the Championship and then, who knows. We have no debt, we have a healthy bank balance, we have the real probability of large scale investment. You really need to look on the bright side, all of you, these are great times for saints, we have already hit rock bottom when we went into admin, got relegated and taken the p*ss out of when some cowboys tried to buy us. Yes, it is going to be a bumpy ride, but what do you expect, this is Saints! And any how, I wouldn't have it any other way, I can't wait, roll on Saturday, COME ON YOU WHITES (witha red sash...)

 

WIFM

 

Agree with what you say,the only problem is how many of those players will want to be playing yet another season in this league ? Not many would stay for another year if promotion is not gained this season and things ARE starting to go belly up.

[St. Jason]

What on earth makes people like you and that mong alpine_saint think it's ok to sack an employee for talking to someone else?! This isn't a police state, we're all free to talk to who we please and seek alternative employment too.

 

How would people here think if they starting looking for other jobs and were then sacked because of that? Unjustified, no?

 

Personally I don't think 't we could have credibly hung on to Pardew if Villa had come knocking... and if they had, surely it is better for them to pay us to take Pardew rather than us sack Pardew and have to pay him off?

 

Try thinking before posting!

 

Your missing my point mate, what I'm trying to say is I hope Cortesse has a valid reason, even if we don't agree with it. Football is a different business, I'm not sure but I think I'm right in thinking that any approach for a player has to be done with the clubs permission? So Villa come knocking, Cortesse says no but Alan still talks = breach of contract??

 

I'm not saying this happened, what I am saying is I hope it was this otherwise we now have Lowe mark 2 in charge as for me Pardew was/is the best man for the job!

[St. Jason]

IMO the team responded like spoilt brats last night, nay, like SaintsWeb posters.

 

Why are we all "sheep" if we get a decent manager in, performances improve, and we become more satisfied with that ?

 

Shock horror whatever next, football fan's satisfied with improving results!!!!!

[St. Jason]

Nope you are wrong. They were not affected by Pardew's sacking as much as they were by the fan's support of Pardew. Pardew went because of issues with the players, one in particular.

 

Good man, blame the fans again, excellent!!

[alpine_saint]

Shock horror whatever next, football fan's satisfied with improving results!!!!!

 

Wasnt me who referred to the fans as "sheep"

[Smirking_Saint]

No. I believe if AP had stayed we wouldve been promoted. We needed that stability.

 

If we are promoted this season 99% of people on here will forget about AP, including me, and be fine with NCs decision making.

Otherwise be prepared for anger cos theres gonna be a lot

 

B*llocks.

 

We have been playing with no imagination and no plan B if our main game plan was not coming to fruition.

 

Our best players were simply not performing and there was obvious friction between NC, Pardew and the sports development staff. Add this to the now many rumours that Pardew did not get on too well with the players (something i heard before he was sacked) and the fact that apparantly he was just not motivated any more (don't know about that one so much).

 

The thing is Pardew is not the managerial god everyone believes he is, he spent alot of money which all in all gave us our success, i don't think he is the sort of manager that could achieve anything without adequate backing. What really p*sses me off is the majority of fans who were booing the team early in the season... PARDEWS team, and now he is gone singing for him. Pathetic, fickle t*ssers the lot of them.

 

As for Alpines repeated 'the players couldn't be bothered tues night' you were not at the game ? You heard it on the radio or from other posters who may or may not have been at the game ? So stop banging on as if it were fact. The players looked committed, just not good enough. And Jaidi managed to pretty much gift Swindon two goals. Fact is the players have been out of form every game so far.

Edited 2 September, 2010 by Smirking_Saint

[Gemmel]

 

 

lol

[hypochondriac]

It's a sad indictment of Cortese's decision-making that we were discussing if we'd be better off without him and the money altogether last night.

 

I pretty much said "One Alan Pardew" is what's coming out of my mouth, but what I mean is "Do You Think You Could Just Leave But Not Take The Money In Case We Need It For Anything ?".

 

I'm not battling change as a general concept, for a start I was in favour of Woodward bringing some sports science and roundly mocked anyone who just didn't get it. I'm battling crap decision making initially at the expense of the fans, then in the pursuit of short-sighted revenue, and now, suddenly, at the expense of results.

 

Couldn't agree more. Excellent post.

[wild-saint]

I am very worried about NC, sacking Pards now is a mistake if he did it at the end of last season fair enough I wouldnt have agreed with it but I could have understood it.

 

Taking on Murdoch is mad for a 3rd division club wether he has a point or not the press ban is adversly affecting our club he should be building bridges and getting the positives of SFC in the media not fighting them all I cant see an end to it who will back down ?

 

I have heard from reliable sources that have 1st hand knowledge that he is horrible and nasty and not someone who will accept any opinion other than his own.

 

The final nail in the coffin is at the 2nd game in Switzerland he was wearing a white suite a deck chair shirt loafers with no socks giving it Billy big potatoes enough said

 

Don Johnson wore a white suit in miami vice and he was cool as. i dont see what the problem is.

[CB Saint]

Don Johnson wore a white suit in miami vice and he was cool as. i dont see what the problem is.

 

So did Boycie and he wasn't.

[The Kraken]

So did Boycie and he wasn't.

 

The man from Del Monte did also; he was neither cool nor uncool.

[ericofarabia]

Having now seen that there isn't anyone specifically lined up to walk into the job, it really does beggar belief as to why the decision was made on a Bank Holiday morning to sack AP on the eve of a home game (albeit JPT).

 

A 4-0 drubbing of bristol Rovers with a bit of ill feeling on the training ground seems to be a bit more successful than a happy clappy training ground 0-3 home defeat to a team that hadn't won in their previous 5 attempts

 

I bet Man U's and Chelsea's training grounds are a hotbed of ill feeling at times with so many big stars and egos, but they seem to get by okay. If anything a bit of needle is needed as it keeps complacency and over familiarisation at bay when everything is happy clappy touchy feely fine. The appointments of Gray, Wigley and Dodd over the years have shown that.

 

How many games are we going to drift along under temporary leadership and then have a bedding in period for the new boss? ...... quite possibily as long as it took to wipe out last years -10 .... talk about shooting yourself in the foot FFS