Well done Cortese

[St. Jason]

No cup distractions sounds good to me. Corteses decision can oy be judged in may I'm afraid, we don't even know who the new guy is. If it's someone he feels can stay and manage us all the way to the top flight then brilliant. If he can start with a solid promotion campaign we will all be behind him. Markus wanted cortese in charge so he deserves the benefit of the doubt for a while.

 

Unless he appoints Paul hart.

 

Or phil brown.

 

So he deserves the benefit of the doubt but only on your terms??

[bowers-sfc]

Waiting around after the game ( said a few choice words to ref and linesmen ) bit anyway, out come Nicola and as he walked to his car, a young fan, shouted a few things; how do you feel for ruining our club, your a ****ing joke, any answers? And a few more. All Nicola done was chuckle and closed the door and he was driven off.

 

Sorry, but we need answers, and he's not even prepared to talk to us.

[.comsaint]

Oh well. Just the FA Cup left this season in the silverware stakes . . .

 

and the L1 trophy of course!

 

STID

[Jonnyboy]

Waiting around after the game ( said a few choice words to ref and linesmen ) bit anyway, out come Nicola and as he walked to his car, a young fan, shouted a few things; how do you feel for ruining our club, your a ****ing joke, any answers? And a few more. All Nicola done was chuckle and closed the door and he was driven off.

 

Sorry, but we need answers, and he's not even prepared to talk to us.

 

I wonder if he was chuckling as the third went in, Solent said Lord Mawhinney (whatever hes called) was sat next to him as a FL guest tonight. Hope he felt embarassed...

[maysie]

From the Sun website:

 

ANGRY South Coast Club fans turned on chairman Nicola Cortese last night in protest at Alan Pardew's shock sacking.

And their mood was not helped as the holders crashed out of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy with a 3-0 defeat at home to Swindon.

 

Pardew's departure on Monday after just 12 months in charge left supporters fuming.

 

Thousands voted with their feet by staying away from the club's first defence of the cup they won under Pards at Wembley five months ago.

 

The first-round clash attracted the lowest-ever gate at St Mary's - 8,333.

 

The crowd made their feelings known to Cortese by chanting 'There's only one Alan Pardew' as Swindon piled on the agony.

 

Vincent Pericard scored twice either side of a goal by Charlie Austin - and South Coast Club had a player sent off. The hosts were booed off at the end and Cortese left the directors' box shaking his head.

[sdeery]

cortese had every right to sack pardew at the end of last season but when they decided to keep him for the start of the season then you gotta stick with him! AP departure has clearly affected the players tonight as i have never seen the likes of lambert and fonte ever that disinterested! if we lose saturday then that will be another 3 points that the new manager would have to pull back! he has made this decision at the compete wrong time!

[John Smith]

So, this is where all the wrist slitters are hanging out tonight. I must say, when I saw the headlines that a footy manager had been sacked, I almost, er carried on with my life? The criticisms of Pardew, Puncheon, Jaidi, Hammond, NC over these past few weeks, even with the passing of ML (RIP) has been absolutely ludicrous. I call for perspective. Like I said, football manager sacked, seriously, you don't think this has happened before? You don't think it will happen again? You think Saints should be immune from sackings? Please, grow up.

 

The most important thing isn't what happened yesterday or the day before, but what happens today and tomorrow. In that I mean, now it is more important to get someone in that does the right jobn, in the right way. If we get that man, we will do fine. For instance, Martin O Neal was so irrate with the way Villa treated him, he walked. Now, if he walked straight into this job and got on well with NC, I know I would be eccstatic AND coming back on this thread and other threads just to remind you all of your childish, back stabbing, diloyal bitc*iness. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Pull yourselves together, get a grip! This is an opportunity, not a set back for crying out loud! Have you not seen the queue of potential managers lining up outside the doors of SMS? Are they there because they think NC is a to**er? LOL! If you think a third of the entire football leagues managers are wrong and you are right, then you need to gain some perspective, take a deep breath and tell yourself "EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT".

[St. Jason]

cortese had every right to sack pardew at the end of last season but when they decided to keep him for the start of the season then you gotta stick with him! AP departure has clearly affected the players tonight as i have never seen the likes of lambert and fonte ever that disinterested! if we lose saturday then that will be another 3 points that the new manager would have to pull back! he has made this decision at the compete wrong time!

 

I dont believe Cortesse would of been right to sack Pardew last year BUT I would of begrudgingly accepted it, new man in, has the summer to build and remould but now, 3 games in is madness. To be honest i hope it is something Pardew has done, I hope he has been speaking to Villa or West Ham as then Cortesse has justification, because otherwise we are completely back to square one with the new Lowe!

[kpturner]

So, this is where all the wrist slitters are hanging out tonight. I must say, when I saw the headlines that a footy manager had been sacked, I almost, er carried on with my life? The criticisms of Pardew, Puncheon, Jaidi, Hammond, NC over these past few weeks, even with the passing of ML (RIP) has been absolutely ludicrous. I call for perspective. Like I said, football manager sacked, seriously, you don't think this has happened before? You don't think it will happen again? You think Saints should be immune from sackings? Please, grow up.

 

The most important thing isn't what happened yesterday or the day before, but what happens today and tomorrow. In that I mean, now it is more important to get someone in that does the right jobn, in the right way. If we get that man, we will do fine. For instance, Martin O Neal was so irrate with the way Villa treated him, he walked. Now, if he walked straight into this job and got on well with NC, I know I would be eccstatic AND coming back on this thread and other threads just to remind you all of your childish, back stabbing, diloyal bitc*iness. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Pull yourselves together, get a grip! This is an opportunity, not a set back for crying out loud! Have you not seen the queue of potential managers lining up outside the doors of SMS? Are they there because they think NC is a to**er? LOL! If you think a third of the entire football leagues managers are wrong and you are right, then you need to gain some perspective, take a deep breath and tell yourself "EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT".

I was going to post something like that but couldn't be arsed and stopped halfway through - good job you did it for me. Thanks

[St. Jason]

So, this is where all the wrist slitters are hanging out tonight. I must say, when I saw the headlines that a footy manager had been sacked, I almost, er carried on with my life? The criticisms of Pardew, Puncheon, Jaidi, Hammond, NC over these past few weeks, even with the passing of ML (RIP) has been absolutely ludicrous. I call for perspective. Like I said, football manager sacked, seriously, you don't think this has happened before? You don't think it will happen again? You think Saints should be immune from sackings? Please, grow up.

 

The most important thing isn't what happened yesterday or the day before, but what happens today and tomorrow. In that I mean, now it is more important to get someone in that does the right jobn, in the right way. If we get that man, we will do fine. For instance, Martin O Neal was so irrate with the way Villa treated him, he walked. Now, if he walked straight into this job and got on well with NC, I know I would be eccstatic AND coming back on this thread and other threads just to remind you all of your childish, back stabbing, diloyal bitc*iness. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Pull yourselves together, get a grip! This is an opportunity, not a set back for crying out loud! Have you not seen the queue of potential managers lining up outside the doors of SMS? Are they there because they think NC is a to**er? LOL! If you think a third of the entire football leagues managers are wrong and you are right, then you need to gain some perspective, take a deep breath and tell yourself "EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT".

 

This isn't a set back, are you for real?

 

We've just sacked our manager 1 day before the transfer window closes, we've just been knocked out of the cup, with the current morale we could be looking at another defeat Saturday so already playing catch up! We had a great chance of gaining automatic promotion this year but with this SET BACK it's looking unlikely!

 

PS who is actually queuing for the job, all the names released are just the normal thrown around!

Edited 31 August, 2010 by St. Jason
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[Jonnyboy]

So, this is where all the wrist slitters are hanging out tonight. I must say, when I saw the headlines that a footy manager had been sacked, I almost, er carried on with my life? The criticisms of Pardew, Puncheon, Jaidi, Hammond, NC over these past few weeks, even with the passing of ML (RIP) has been absolutely ludicrous. I call for perspective. Like I said, football manager sacked, seriously, you don't think this has happened before? You don't think it will happen again? You think Saints should be immune from sackings? Please, grow up.

 

The most important thing isn't what happened yesterday or the day before, but what happens today and tomorrow. In that I mean, now it is more important to get someone in that does the right jobn, in the right way. If we get that man, we will do fine. For instance, Martin O Neal was so irrate with the way Villa treated him, he walked. Now, if he walked straight into this job and got on well with NC, I know I would be eccstatic AND coming back on this thread and other threads just to remind you all of your childish, back stabbing, diloyal bitc*iness. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Pull yourselves together, get a grip! This is an opportunity, not a set back for crying out loud! Have you not seen the queue of potential managers lining up outside the doors of SMS? Are they there because they think NC is a to**er? LOL! If you think a third of the entire football leagues managers are wrong and you are right, then you need to gain some perspective, take a deep breath and tell yourself "EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT".

 

New Manager OUT!

[Guan 2.0]

Are you thinking straight? So you whingers get your way and Cortese says I've had enough of this and walks. The Liebherr family will almost certainly walk with him. What then? I'm a long term fan as well and OP's of this kind and some of the comments that follow are just plain stupid with no thought to the consequences of where such daft remarks may lead us. God am I glad I didn't leave the running of my business to some of you lot. A lot of AP's football was dross. Get over it.

 

Totally 100% agree.

 

Quite right too. Did we not lose home AND away to Swindon last season in some awful ?(thanks to others for the idea of CAPS). Yes, it's disappointing to be out of the cup, but promotion, and appointing our new manager are the priority. No one knows why Pardew was sacked, but until we know it's no use labelling Cortese or Pardew as demons or angels, because speculation does not make evidence! A lot of posters on here, and our fans in general, forget that. But hey, lets demand the head of someone who's not only been a successful businessman for a number of years (way beyond the accomplishments of any poster on here), was the hand picked man of our saviour, and according to Solent, the soothing voice that stopped Markus from firing AP's Arse when he was too dissapointed to show for the last game of the season.

 

I would have thought that the posts above, talking of marches to demand Cortese to leave would be avoided, after our recent history. When it was said 'Anyone but Lowe' and 'It can't get any worse', and then did, I thought the short sighted reactions would be tempered by that knowledge. Surely no-one would dismiss the possibility of Cortese, Markus's millions, and our future leaving as a trivial matter, based on an irrational grudge via a few assumptions about a man whose true personality is barely known to us? Especially not in a hissy fit of childish name calling...

 

Well someone else would have to buy the club before he could walk away - and they would be buying a debt free club with great facilities and a large fan base.

Best of all the arrogant little brat with the sugar daddy gets found out as a pathetic control freak quitter who was out of his depth in his football fantasy?

Could be worse really.

 

Oh dear.

 

[video=youtube;35TbGjt-weA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA

[corsacar saint]

NC is answerable to himself[always the hardest call],so I do think he dares us not to get promoted this season.By this I mean,most

of us,always take it to heart,when we do not achieve our personal goals.

[ponto1963]

i actually thought they played ok, just some shocking decisions from yet another **** poor ref!

 

you must have been watching a different game to me, yes the ref was appalling, but so was our team, seemed to be afraid of the goal, didn't seem to want to be there at all :-(

[John Smith]

This isn't a set back, are you for real?

 

We've just sacked our manager 1 day before the transfer window closes, we've just been knocked out of the cup, with the current morale we could be looking at another defeat Saturday so already playing catch up! We had a great chance of gaining automatic promotion this year but with this SET BACK it's looking unlikely!

 

PS who is actually queuing for the job, all the names released are just the normal thrown around!

 

Look, I realise that some of you felt that Pardew was the greatest manager of our time, but, I have a different perspective. And whilst he is no longer our manager, I am suggesting you put it in the past and look forward.

 

Yes, he has gone just as the transfer window has shut, but seriously, a new manager would look at this squad and wet himself. With one or two loanee's, where would you rather be? Lambert and Barnard, probably the best 2 strikers in this league, Fonte, Jaidi, Harding, Dickson, Butterfield, probably the best defenders in this league, Kelvin and Bart, arguably the 2 best keepers for a 1 and 2 in this league, Morgan, one of the brightest prospects in french football, playing in this league, Lallana, one of the best british talents outside the Prem, Puncheon, goal scoring wide man, Hammond, sound, secure and experienced, plus the likes of Connolly, Guly etc etc etc, I could go on and on and on. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM AT THIS LEVEL! A manager could come in here and really achieve something good. Get promoted and buy a few more for the Championship and then, who knows. We have no debt, we have a healthy bank balance, we have the real probability of large scale investment. You really need to look on the bright side, all of you, these are great times for saints, we have already hit rock bottom when we went into admin, got relegated and taken the p*ss out of when some cowboys tried to buy us. Yes, it is going to be a bumpy ride, but what do you expect, this is Saints! And any how, I wouldn't have it any other way, I can't wait, roll on Saturday, COME ON YOU WHITES (witha red sash...)

 

WIFM

[Um Bongo]

So a loss on Saturday and then what?

[Noodles34]

Agree with the OP completely.

 

Does that idiot Alpine get an infraction because of his 'mong' abuse, or infractions only issued to Part Timers like me?

[modern matron]

Waiting around after the game ( said a few choice words to ref and linesmen ) bit anyway, out come Nicola and as he walked to his car, a young fan, shouted a few things; how do you feel for ruining our club, your a ****ing joke, any answers? And a few more. All Nicola done was chuckle and closed the door and he was driven off.

 

Sorry, but we need answers, and he's not even prepared to talk to us.

 

 

He's hardly going to answer abuse is he!

[modern matron]

So, this is where all the wrist slitters are hanging out tonight. I must say, when I saw the headlines that a footy manager had been sacked, I almost, er carried on with my life? The criticisms of Pardew, Puncheon, Jaidi, Hammond, NC over these past few weeks, even with the passing of ML (RIP) has been absolutely ludicrous. I call for perspective. Like I said, football manager sacked, seriously, you don't think this has happened before? You don't think it will happen again? You think Saints should be immune from sackings? Please, grow up.

 

The most important thing isn't what happened yesterday or the day before, but what happens today and tomorrow. In that I mean, now it is more important to get someone in that does the right jobn, in the right way. If we get that man, we will do fine. For instance, Martin O Neal was so irrate with the way Villa treated him, he walked. Now, if he walked straight into this job and got on well with NC, I know I would be eccstatic AND coming back on this thread and other threads just to remind you all of your childish, back stabbing, diloyal bitc*iness. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Pull yourselves together, get a grip! This is an opportunity, not a set back for crying out loud! Have you not seen the queue of potential managers lining up outside the doors of SMS? Are they there because they think NC is a to**er? LOL! If you think a third of the entire football leagues managers are wrong and you are right, then you need to gain some perspective, take a deep breath and tell yourself "EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT".

 

Totally agree. However NC needs to be saying this not you or I. Until he does this hysterical reaction will continue. If you recall it happened when AP was rumoured to be about to be sacked, now it's happened and we've lost 3-0 at home........well hardly surprising.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

the morale seemed totally fine on Saturday!

 

this performance is a direct result of pardews sacking, i'm sure of it.

 

 

Spot on, you could clearly see that the decision to remove AP has affected the players

and before someone comes on here stating.."they are professional footballers paid a lot of money so should get

on with it"... crap....think , if your boss was replaced with no warning at the click of fingers would it effect you?

 

bloody right it would...

 

What a mess at SFC........................AGAIN!!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Well the players need a rocket up their backside then.

 

I can almost imagine the folded arms, the hunched shoulders, the sulky curled bottom lips...

 

Yep ,you can only imagine as you are rarely at SMS,not your fault as you live away.

 

How can you come on here and state such things like the above as you have no idea it just suits

your argument for today...

 

The players were affected but were not acting as you describe,they looked confused,shocked,dejected and probably,

like us fans weer wondering what the hell is going on at this club...

Edited 1 September, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC

[moonraker]

And the reason we know nothing about what happened is because we are not told anything, NC is answerable to no one, least of all us!

 

Got it one, thats football and us poor supporters are just that supporters.

[Red and White Army]

I dont believe Cortesse would of been right to sack Pardew last year BUT I would of begrudgingly accepted it, new man in, has the summer to build and remould but now, 3 games in is madness. To be honest i hope it is something Pardew has done, I hope he has been speaking to Villa or West Ham as then Cortesse has justification, because otherwise we are completely back to square one with the new Lowe!

 

What on earth makes people like you and that mong alpine_saint think it's ok to sack an employee for talking to someone else?! This isn't a police state, we're all free to talk to who we please and seek alternative employment too.

 

How would people here think if they starting looking for other jobs and were then sacked because of that? Unjustified, no?

 

Personally I don't think 't we could have credibly hung on to Pardew if Villa had come knocking... and if they had, surely it is better for them to pay us to take Pardew rather than us sack Pardew and have to pay him off?

 

Try thinking before posting!

[nickfinks]

Come of it ffs. Nobody knows the reason for AP's sacking. I'm unhappy about the decision as much as everyone else, but who is to say it wasn't AP's fault?.

 

Lets just wait and see who replaces him.

 

 

this

[alpine_saint]

Yep ,you can only imagine as you are rarely at SMS,not your fault as you live away.

 

How can you come on here and state such things like the above as you have no idea it just suits

your argument for today...

 

The players were affected but were not acting as you describe,they looked confused,shocked,dejected and probably,

like us fans weer wondering what the hell is going on at this club...

 

Not particularly professional then, are they ?

 

Seriously, I really dont get the whole fragile ego/emotional state bullsh*t with professional footballers.

 

They live in big houses, drive big cars, **** gorgeous women. But they cant clear their minds for 90mins when being cheered on by a group of people a lot less fortunate than them, despite being so shallow the rest of the time to not even be able to put a suit on for a f**king funeral, for example ?

 

FFs, we give these twots too easy a time of it.

[pimpin4rizeal]

all this cortese bashing makes me sick

all you lot sideing with an average manager who was made to look good because cortese and markus gave him the best tools to do the job .how do you think alan pardew would have got on at bournemouth ?

every thing good at this club right now is partly because of cortese. also we havent lost any of our best players something that we have always had happen to us again thank cortese for that.

we are going to be in the premier league in a few years time cortese is an ambitious man and will see to that

get behind him ffs

[alpine_saint]

all this cortese bashing makes me sick

all you lot sideing with an average manager who was made to look good because cortese and markus gave him the best tools to do the job .how do you think alan pardew would have got on at bournemouth ?

every thing good at this club right now is partly because of cortese. also we havent lost any of our best players something that we have always had happen to us again thank cortese for that.

we are going to be in the premier league in a few years time cortese is an ambitious man and will see to that

get behind him ffs

 

This.

 

But no, some people would prefer b*tching about the installment plan or the booking fee or the car park.

[Plonko]

Maybe, just maybe, NC is doing what he thinks is best for the club. In fact, why wouldn't he?

 

He might even have reasons for doing some things that we don't know about.

[The9]

i actually thought they played ok, just some shocking decisions from yet another **** poor ref!

 

They were as bad as I've seen us all season, and the ref was slightly worse.

[The9]

This.

 

But no, some people would prefer b*tching about the installment plan or the booking fee or the car park.

 

We've moved on from THOSE crappy decisions to the ones actually affecting the results on the pitch now, thanks.

[alpine_saint]

We've moved on from THOSE crappy decisions to the ones actually affecting the results on the pitch now, thanks.

 

I dont agree.

 

The battle lines in this particular discussion were drawn by those decisions.

 

Those who threw a paddy over them think NC is a prize c**t for sacking AP and it must have been totally undeserved.

 

Those who were left unfazed by those decisions either think he has done the right thing, want to reserve judgement without the facts, and trust him to appoint a candidate capable of continuing with the club plans.

[The Kraken]

I dont agree.

 

The battle lines in this particular discussion were drawn by those decisions.

 

Those who threw a paddy over them think NC is a prize c**t for sacking AP and it must have been totally undeserved.

 

Those who were left unfazed by those decisions either think he has done the right thing, want to reserve judgement without the facts, and trust him to appoint a candidate capable of continuing with the club plans.

 

Well done for outlining the black and white and ignoring the massive amounts of shades of gray.

[Sour Mash]

I dont agree.

 

The battle lines in this particular discussion were drawn by those decisions.

 

Those who threw a paddy over them think NC is a prize c**t for sacking AP and it must have been totally undeserved.

 

Those who were left unfazed by those decisions either think he has done the right thing, want to reserve judgement without the facts, and trust him to appoint a candidate capable of continuing with the club plans.

 

Hmmm, I wonder why you were unfazed by those decisions? Maybe its because you very rarely attend any Saints games, yet still litter this website with no end of utter boring, repetitive garbage.

[alpine_saint]

Well done for outlining the black and white and ignoring the massive amounts of shades of gray.

 

Couldnt care less if my grey scale is wrong; it is b*ll*cks to claim that the hissy fits over those things havent helped shape this particular discussion. How many times have people written "Cortese is f**king everything up with his decisions" on here in the last 48hrs ?

[dellish]

Thank you Cortese for ruining the team morale. Did not sound like the players we're up for it tonight. A manager who brought to the club the likes of RL, Barnard, Fonte etc, installs togetherness and a winning mentality, and then gets sacked. How are the players going to respond? Lowe getting rid of Pearson was one thing, but getting rid of Pardew was a whole lot worse in my view.

The egotistical, arrogant and frankly quite pathetic Nicola(girls name), has just put this team back to square one. IDIOT.

you are a**** of the highest degree. without them we would have gone bust ........ and no one knows the facts

[alpine_saint]

Hmmm, I wonder why you were unfazed by those decisions? Maybe its because you very rarely attend any Saints games, yet still litter this website with no end of utter boring, repetitive garbage.

 

Not everybody, including those in regular attendance, are whining about them.

[The Kraken]

Couldnt care less if my grey scale is wrong; it is b*ll*cks to claim that the hissy fits over those things havent helped shape this particular discussion. How many times have people written "Cortese is f**king everything up with his decisions" on here in the last 48hrs ?

 

Resorting to picking up grammar and spelling; well in, you've done me, you wordsmith genius.

 

And again, you choose to identify everything in black and white. Just because a vocal minority want to go over the top with criticism it's a shame you're incapable of comprehending that there's many people who reside in the middle ground, who will criticise and praise the chairman/club for each individual decision they make.

[The9]

I dont agree.

 

The battle lines in this particular discussion were drawn by those decisions.

 

Those who threw a paddy over them think NC is a prize c**t for sacking AP and it must have been totally undeserved.

 

Those who were left unfazed by those decisions either think he has done the right thing, want to reserve judgement without the facts, and trust him to appoint a candidate capable of continuing with the club plans.

 

To be honest after the response last night even BEFORE we looked crap on the pitch I'm pretty confident that the feeling at the moment is that I've gone from having a minority view in being wary and concerned about Cortese's decisions, to suddenly finding the masses in agreement. The crux of the matter being that now it's detrimentally affected the team, rather than just "off the pitch stuff". A lot of people can ignore the background noise if the team is performing, but when the be-all and end-all is affected, they become bothered and vociferous pretty quickly.

 

Certainly anti-Cortese feelings were in the majority amongst the kind of person that wants to see Saints in the JPT first round last night, albeit only 7500-ish of the "hardcore", there were hundreds of "what's he done that for?" and significantly less complimentary conversations in the concourse.

 

Of course, with the right appointment all the sheep will fall into line again, but that won't fix the terrible PR and dubious exploitation of revenue streams, or the OTT legal letters to the local paper for requesting an official response for the shocked people of Southampton to Markus' death.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by The9

[.comsaint]

Oooh look - a thread on Saintsweb turns into a slanging match.

 

How unusual . . .

[alpine_saint]

Resorting to picking up grammar and spelling; well in, you've done me, you wordsmith genius.

 

And again, you choose to identify everything in black and white. Just because a vocal minority want to go over the top with criticism it's a shame you're incapable of comprehending that there's many people who reside in the middle ground, who will criticise and praise the chairman/club for each individual decision they make.

 

I consider myself to be in that middle ground, pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the OTT posters.

 

Someone wanted NC dead on here yesterday, FFS.

[alpine_saint]

To be honest after the response last night even BEFORE we looked crap on the pitch I'm pretty confident that the feeling at the moment is that I've gone from having a minority view in being wary and concerned about Cortese's decisions, to suddenly finding the masses in agreement. The crux of the matter being that now it's detrimentally affected the team, rather than just "off the pitch stuff". A lot of people can ignore the background noise if the team is performing, but when the be-all and end-all is affected, they become bothered and vociferous pretty quickly.

 

Certainly anti-Cortese feelings were in the majority amongst the kind of person that wants to see Saints in the JPT first round last night, albeit only 7500-ish of the "hardcore", there were hundreds of "what's he done that for?" and significantly less complimentary conversations in the concourse.

 

Of course, with the right appointment all the sheep will fall into line again, but that won't fix the terrible PR and dubious exploitation of revenue streams, or the OTT legal letters to the local paper for requesting an official response for the shocked people of Southampton to Markus' death.

 

IMO the team responded like spoilt brats last night, nay, like SaintsWeb posters.

 

Why are we all "sheep" if we get a decent manager in, performances improve, and we become more satisfied with that ?

[alpine_saint]

Resorting to picking up grammar and spelling; well in, you've done me, you wordsmith genius.

 

And again, you choose to identify everything in black and white. Just because a vocal minority want to go over the top with criticism it's a shame you're incapable of comprehending that there's many people who reside in the middle ground, who will criticise and praise the chairman/club for each individual decision they make.

 

Simply pointing out that people were slagging off "decisions" not a "decision". In the context of this discussion, its an important distinction. And also pointing out sloppy p*ss-poor American English. Sorry, it gets up my nose, a weakness of mine.

[The Kraken]

I consider myself to be in that middle ground, pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the OTT posters.

 

Someone wanted NC dead on here yesterday, FFS.

 

And said person is clearly an idiot.

 

However, labelling all people as either pro or anti Cortese does nobody any favours, yourself included. Most of us are vested with a sense of intelligence that means we can make decisions based on the information in front of us, rather than the bandwagon rolling past. It's a completely different thing to ramp up an anti-club agenda than it is to rationally inspect and debate decisions which clearly affect the running of the club and the fans' involvement with it. A little bit of respect from all sides wouldn't go amiss, not least that it might rescue this forum from the playground slanging match it has become.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

IMO the team responded like spoilt brats last night, nay, like SaintsWeb posters.

 

Why are we all "sheep" if we get a decent manager in, performances improve, and we become more satisfied with that ?

 

 

You make that assumption,based on what?

 

a radio commentary,the OTT posters you have a pop at or just to suit your agenda?

[alpine_saint]

You make that assumption,based on what?

 

a radio commentary,the OTT posters you have a pop at or just to suit your agenda?

 

The performance and result.

 

Lee Barnard sounds like he was the only one who gave a sh*t, but we about it with a little too much gusto.

[Whitey Grandad]

To be honest after the response last night even BEFORE we looked crap on the pitch I'm pretty confident that the feeling at the moment is that I've gone from having a minority view in being wary and concerned about Cortese's decisions, to suddenly finding the masses in agreement. The crux of the matter being that now it's detrimentally affected the team, rather than just "off the pitch stuff". A lot of people can ignore the background noise if the team is performing, but when the be-all and end-all is affected, they become bothered and vociferous pretty quickly.

 

Certainly anti-Cortese feelings were in the majority amongst the kind of person that wants to see Saints in the JPT first round last night, albeit only 7500-ish of the "hardcore", there were hundreds of "what's he done that for?" and significantly less complimentary conversations in the concourse.

 

Of course, with the right appointment all the sheep will fall into line again, but that won't fix the terrible PR and dubious exploitation of revenue streams, or the OTT legal letters to the local paper for requesting an official response for the shocked people of Southampton to Markus' death.

That's exactly how I feel about it. I find the small decisions just as revealing as the big ones. I too have gone from being wary, to being concerned, to being worried. The next couple of weeks should give us the answers.

[trousers]

Have changed one line to make The Sun's piece a little more balanced:

 

From the Sun website:

 

ANGRY South Coast Club fans turned on chairman Nicola Cortese last night in protest at Alan Pardew's shock sacking.

And their mood was not helped as the holders crashed out of the Johnstone's Paint Trophy with a 3-0 defeat at home to Swindon.

 

Pardew's departure on Monday after just 12 months in charge left supporters fuming.

 

Thousands voted with their feet by staying away from the club's first defence of the cup they won under Pards at Wembley five months ago.

 

The first-round clash attracted the biggest gate of the night, almost twice as much as the next highest attendance.

The crowd made their feelings known to Cortese by chanting 'There's only one Alan Pardew' as Swindon piled on the agony.

 

Vincent Pericard scored twice either side of a goal by Charlie Austin - and South Coast Club had a player sent off. The hosts were booed off at the end and Cortese left the directors' box shaking his head.

[Whitey Grandad]

IMO the team responded like spoilt brats last night, nay, like SaintsWeb posters.

 

Why are we all "sheep" if we get a decent manager in, performances improve, and we become more satisfied with that ?

 

That wasn't how it appeared to me. They were all trying (yes very trying) but there was no common team plan, just a load of players running about the pitch. The atmosphere was strange too, the lowest ever crowd at St. Mary's, two stands packed and the rest of the ground empty and lifeless. I was only 20 seats away from my usual one but I had a good look round and I was the only face I recognised. The pricing and ticket sales policy must have something to do with this, as well as the recent events. None of this seemed to affect the Swindon players, mind.

[The9]

IMO the team responded like spoilt brats last night, nay, like SaintsWeb posters.

 

Why are we all "sheep" if we get a decent manager in, performances improve, and we become more satisfied with that ?

 

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure you're not "sheep" no matter what happens, you'll be out there on your own, finding your angle.

 

There is a lot more to being a decent manager than being the kind of "name" that often gets the majority of fans excited, as Shearer proved at Newcastle when overseeing them falling out of the Premier League, amongst many others.

 

The beauty of the original Pardew appointment is that we found someone with name value who could also bring plenty of the qualities required of a lower league manager, even one with a cheque book.

 

That was a good choice, as evidenced by us winning the JPT and getting the team off the bottom of League One into a Play-Off challenging position in a relatively short time. Nothing much had changed between March and August regarding the team's level or expectations of success over the season, so sacking him with what appears to be (so far) no back-up plan seems to show less good judgement.

 

The RIGHT appointment won't be a problem, even those critical of Cortese for some of his finance-base decisions will put up with his policies far less begrudgingly if there's on-pitch success - but it can easily be argued that we already had the right appointment, and Cortese hadn't directly affected performances until now.

 

He's now taken himself and the club from a position of relative strength and at worst mass ambivalence to one where he HAS to pull the rabbit out of the hat to get people back on side.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

The performance and result.

 

Lee Barnard sounds like he was the only one who gave a sh*t, but we about it with a little too much gusto.

 

 

All/most of your views are base on "sounds" and from posters on here who you often disbelieve

(only when it suits though)

My view on the "too much gusto" is that it was hard but not worthy of a red as i saw it live

and felt if it had been bad then a reaction from the Swindon lads would have shown this yet

i saw no such reaction and they were obviously closer than me

 

The result was bad,the performance was bad but this time you chose to slag of the players

but only because AP has gone...strange...

 

Like it or not the removal of Alan Pardew has had an effect on player,fans,staff,newspaper reports etc.