Saints (0)v(3) Swindon,post match misery...

[doddisalegend]

Well this sucks I go away for nice overnighter to Cardiff with the wife and Kids come back to find AP sacked and saints getting the **** kicked out of them by Swindon yet again and no signings. Listening to it on the radio seems like the players are reacting to APs demise and not in a good way. The team we have out there were basically all APs players without him the future of this team doesn't look hopeful. I've had a great deal of my enthusiasm and hope for this season kicked out of me in one evening. The JPT was a big ****ing deal to me and I was hoping we might make some attempt to defend the trophy so I'm ****ed about that. I'm quite ready for a year of consolidation in league one again this year and try again next year.

 

Why didn't NC have the balls to remove AP at the end of last season rather than four games in and a closed transfer window later of this season? the whole thing is ********.

[carljack]

There is a light and it never goes out! S.F.C. keep the faith we never have had it easy ! have we?

 

Saint till I Die

[Smirking_Saint]

Just back from the game....

 

Utter...utter sh*te

 

 

Jaidi looked slow, cumbersome and lacked any awareness of where his man was, Austin made the free kick it look theatrical but he let him past and the 2nd goal was all Jaidi's fault.

 

Lambert looked like he didn't want to be there.

 

Hammond can't pass for toffee.

 

Gully looked out of place, only wants ball to feet and never in front of him.

 

Punch looked good but never releases early enough.

 

Fonte was class, but if i was him i would have wondered what the f*ck i was doing in the red and white tonight.

 

The ref was on crack.

 

And the saints fans in the Northam end, on the players backs in minutes.

[Tractor_Saint]

Negatives

 

1. Saw two good potential managers in the crowd tonight but they left at half time

 

The two managers: Who were they?

 

Who were the two potential managers?

 

Sorry folks, just my attempt at a joke on a bad bad day!

[Kingsbridge Saint]

I will just fast forward through this game if you don't mind. Bit ****ed off about meekly surrendering the only cup we can win this season and Barnards red though. Nicola Cortese - over to you for this weeks big Good News story - you do have one don't you?

[funkymojo44]

Well this sucks I go away for nice overnighter to Cardiff with the wife and Kids come back to find AP sacked and saints getting the **** kicked out of them by Swindon yet again and no signings. Listening to it on the radio seems like the players are reacting to APs demise and not in a good way. The team we have out there were basically all APs players without him the future of this team doesn't look hopeful. I've had a great deal of my enthusiasm and hope for this season kicked out of me in one evening. The JPT was a big ****ing deal to me and I was hoping we might make some attempt to defend the trophy so I'm ****ed about that. I'm quite ready for a year of consolidation in league one again this year and try again next year.

 

Why didn't NC have the balls to remove AP at the end of last season rather than four games in and a closed transfer window later of this season? the whole thing is ********.

 

thats what worries me and actually angers me. The fact that the players looked as though they are reacting negatively to AP leaving.

 

Can i remind the players that they play for us, the fans, and themselves. They shouldn't forget how much effort and determination got them the JPT only a few months ago.

 

Shame on them.

[Weston Saint]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

[kpturner]

Exactly where I'm at. Got a proper sulk on. That was the worst saints game I've been to.

I gather you are quite young then!

[Legod Third Coming]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

 

The same team that won 4-0 on Saturday? What a bizarre assessment of the fault...

[Junction 9]

A mountain to climb, but still all to play for in the second leg.

 

COYR!!!!

[BARCELONASAINT]

Just back from the game and i am appalled by that horror show, absolutely clueless performance throughout. There is no excuses, they are well paid proffessionals who live a privallaged lifestyle for kicking a ball about and yet they could not be arsed.

Please never play that Brazillean again he was horrendous and i'm not being unfair on him, he was totally out of his depth. He doesn't speak a word of English, i'm sorry but who was responsible for bringing him here???

 

I hope you have some sort of master plan Cortesse because the players didnt want to play for Wilkins and some of the more senior players were having a right go at him during the first half...something is seriously wrong.

 

I havent got involved in the Pardew sacking debate and i'm sure there must be a bloody good reason for it but i just hope a new guy and a bloody good one at that is in place soon before we kiss this season goodbye!!!

[shurlock]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

 

+1 couldn't agree more

[alpine_saint]

thats what worries me and actually angers me. The fact that the players looked as though they are reacting negatively to AP leaving.

 

Can i remind the players that they play for us, the fans, and themselves. They shouldn't forget how much effort and determination got them the JPT only a few months ago.

 

Shame on them.

 

Nutshell. Bunch of bloody Nancys.

[MarkSFC]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

 

Afair post Weston but we need two or three players to change the way we play. Would/could we have got them if PArdew had stayed (or been sacked earlier)???

 

Take Lambert out of the equation for any reason and we have two similar strikers playing - no height - and no striker on the bench.

 

I like Puncheon (although he needs to have more "result" if that makes sense, but after him we only really have a 16 year old down the right.

 

I would have thought this was the ideal game to blood Do Prado in the middle, a)to what hes like and b) to freshen things up in there (DH and MS are so boring!!) and c) to have a real runner into the box with and without the ball.

 

So, is it Pardews or Corteses fault.......possibly both....and a little bit Wilkins and Hunters!!!

[LVSaint]

Why didn't NC have the balls to remove AP at the end of last season rather than four games in and a closed transfer window later of this season? the whole thing is ********.

 

Can only think it was some fundamental bust up between the two, causing unplanned drastic measures with no other choice.

[alpine_saint]

A mountain to climb, but still all to play for in the second leg.

 

COYR!!!!

 

What second leg is that then ?

[doddisalegend]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

 

I love it the guys been sacked and you still want to blame him hahahahahaha b o l l o c k s. Last saturday was APs team playing APs way and that was good enough for me. We've played well in every match this season tonight was something else a bunch of players who have clearly been playing for for AP, tonight weren't and it showed.

[MarkSFC]

A mountain to climb, but still all to play for in the second leg.

 

COYR!!!!

 

joking right?

[Liquidshokk]

I gather you are quite young then!

 

27... And I've never felt quite so ****ed off during and after a game. Yeah I should just get over it but I'm passionate and feel very let down tonight.

[Jonnyboy]

This was not Cortese's fault.

 

This was Pardews team playing Pardew's way and doing it poorly. Same narrow, clueless, static team in midfield and up front.

 

One additional issue. You have a right footed brazilian central midfielder and you try to play him on the left all game.

 

As for Lambert he is carrying too much weight and is unfit. That is because he is still carrying a groin injury and cannot get back the last seasons fitness

 

Barnards sending off was correct. Two footed tackle showing studs.

 

We need a Manager to come in and change the whole way we play. It is going to take time. With a few days at his disposal now let us see what Wilkins can do to turn this round on Saturday.

 

Well Wilkins better have some bloody good ideas by then, by his own admission yesterdays training was short and sharp

[alpine_saint]

I love it the guys been sacked and you still want to blame him hahahahahaha b o l l o c k s. Last saturday was APs team playing APs way and that was good enough for me. We've played well in every match this season tonight was something else a bunch of players who have clearly been playing for for AP, tonight weren't and it showed.

 

Well they want to f**king remember who f**king pays their wages.

[doddisalegend]

Well they want to f**king remember who f**king pays their wages.

 

Why? They were brought in by one man. A man they clearly respected and who judging on tonights performace got a lot more out of them the some others can. It's not like some massively unpopular manager who they couln't get along with has been sacked. He rescused some from obscurtiy like Harding and Connolloy and the others clearly respected him and felt he got the best from them like Lambert and Lallana . I imagine we will see quite a few transfer requests come january.

[scotty]

Well this sucks I go away for nice overnighter to Cardiff with the wife and Kids come back to find AP sacked and saints getting the **** kicked out of them by Swindon yet again and no signings. Listening to it on the radio seems like the players are reacting to APs demise and not in a good way. The team we have out there were basically all APs players without him the future of this team doesn't look hopeful. I've had a great deal of my enthusiasm and hope for this season kicked out of me in one evening. The JPT was a big ****ing deal to me and I was hoping we might make some attempt to defend the trophy so I'm ****ed about that. I'm quite ready for a year of consolidation in league one again this year and try again next year.

 

Why didn't NC have the balls to remove AP at the end of last season rather than four games in and a closed transfer window later of this season? the whole thing is ********.

 

I've wondered whether the AP sacking was ready to go ahead, but then Markus passed away and it would have been seen as insensitive or very poor timing. A mate has another theory which was that Markus was keen to keep AP on, but Cortese wanted him out long ago.

[Dalek2003]

Bring in Hoddle now !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[doddisalegend]

I've wondered whether the AP sacking was ready to go ahead, but then Markus passed away and it would have been seen as insensitive or very poor timing. A mate has another theory which was that Markus was keen to AP on, but Cortese wanted him out long ago.

 

I reckon it was the latter TBH

[itchen]

Didn't see the game but it seems from the radio and from those who were there that we played very badly. That hasn't been the case in our other games this season even though the results have not always reflected that. To blame Pardew for tonight is bizarre. His team won 4-0 away just three days ago, were not disgraced against Premier League opposition a few days before that, and just failed to make superiority count against Orient. That contrasts markedly with the accounts of tonight.

 

I am simply baffled by Pardew's sacking and, even more so, by the timing of it. I am sure that there must have been some huge incident after the Bristol game that left Cortese with no choice but to sack Pardew and the other two immediately with no replacement lined up. Otherwise the actions of the chairman would be the actions of a fool. And that can't be the explanation, can it?

[Saints Warrior]

Gutless, not tactics, useless, devoid of skill and a totally pointless game to have turned up to see. Why didnt the club just cancell the game and the players stand up and say `we are not playing today` and be done with it.

 

This is supposed to be a team fit to win the title this season, fit for the bottom 3.

 

Back to the old Lowe days, crap running of club and team that cant raise thier game cos they wont or just are not god enough.

[Wes Tender]

We didn't look as if we were up for it and perhaps the players were a bit bewildered by the recent loss of Pardew. Certainly the crowd were very subdued apart from the idiotic chanting of Pardew's name whenever Swindon scored. That will have helped the players, wouldnt it?

 

But let's be a bit more objective about things for a change instead of slashing our wrists just yet and face a few truths, unpalateable as they might be.

 

For all the chants for Pardew, people seem to have very selective short memories and have somehow overlooked the fact that Swindon beat us twice last season under him. I would suggest that the first defeat by them was with a performance just as lacklustre as this one if I recall.

 

This was also Pardew's team. Who is to say with any real conviction that had Pardew still been in charge, we would not have lost under him? I would also suggest that the team selected was as strong as it could have been.

 

On balance in the game, we often had periods when we had more of the play and penetrated their defence more often than they threatened ours. Of the two keepers, theirs was the busier. But as often before under Pardew, a team had three chances and took them, while we had several more and failed to score.

 

A couple of other things are worthy of mention and again would not have changed had Pardew still been here. Lallana's absence if a big miss for us and Lambert somehow seems out of sorts.

 

On the plus side (there is one), the defeat makes Cortese's decision over the new manager more urgent than before the match.

 

Although it would have been nice to have won the JPT back to back, we no longer have it as a distraction.

 

The team played with more width than usual under Pardew and I for one hated the way that he restricted our play that way. I hope that we play with more width under the new manager.

 

Whoever comes in has a quality squad available to him and just needs to restore confidence and belief. If we get a top name in, that is the sort of manager who can transform a team within a short time.

 

Just as an aside, the referee and linesmen were diabolical, but that is often something one notices when things don't go well and we look for somebody to blame. But when their striker went to shoot at goal and sliced the ball out wide, the moronic officials awarding a corner really plumbed the depths of incompetance.

[CHAZZA 92]

Lets be honest we played just as bad in the 1st round last year but were lucky enough to go through so I don't think this will affect us at all for games to come.

[st alex]

ssn & bbc both have Barnard's sending off as two yellows? Is this accurate? I didn't notice him get shown any yellows?

 

From where I was sat looked like he got the ball, and didn't really seem to even get much of the player, although the ref was in my way.

[kpturner]

27... And I've never felt quite so ****ed off during and after a game. Yeah I should just get over it but I'm passionate and feel very let down tonight.

Well you probably do remember quite a few much worse than that. Put in perspective it is a Cup for nobodies - enjoyable day out nevertheless. I will be worried if we perform like that in the next league game though - other than that it don't care much. Glad I went to see what Do Prado is like - hope he is better in his preferred position.

[kpturner]

ssn & bbc both have Barnard's sending off as two yellows? Is this accurate? I didn't notice him get shown any yellows?

 

From where I was sat looked like he got the ball, and didn't really seem to even get much of the player, although the ref was in my way.

Apparently it has been confirmed as a straight red - the ref just showed a yellow by mistake because it was "stuck to the other card". 3 match ban nailed on.

[Liquidshokk]

Well you probably do remember quite a few much worse than that. Put in perspective it is a Cup for nobodies - enjoyable day out nevertheless. I will be worried if we perform like that in the next league game though - other than that it don't care much. Glad I went to see what Do Prado is like - hope he is better in his preferred position.

 

Well none jump out at me after that game. It's irrelevant that it was only the nobodies cup tonight; THAT was the first team out there...THAT is what we will be playing with fir the rest of the season, against the likes of Swindon again and again.... And THAT is going to get us nowhere.

[corsacar saint]

Perhaps the saddest inditement is the fact Pericard scored twice,when he was on loan here 3/4 years ago,he was one of the worst

players I have ever seen.

By the way the previous posters comment is absolutely disgraceful.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Have to reluctantly agree that the display tonight was dreadful and once again - despite supposedly having four of the best defenders in this league, our defence was completely undone by a team with a bit of pace and guile - not once, but three times. Not only that, but despite having the best striker in the league and an ex-Premiership quality striker, plus supposedly the best winger in the division in Puncheon, we lacked any form of decent creative drive into the box. Unless of course it is lumped into Lambert, who looked pretty disinterested for most of the game. It's no surprise Barnard came on like a bull in a china shop - he must be so frustrated at doing so much work and not getting a start ahead of an out of form Lambert.

 

Final word for Wilkins, who said on Solent that he thought we were the better team in the middle third. B0ll0x were we. If that's the type of game preparation and planning we can expect from him, he might as well hand over the reigns now and fook off as it was a complete disaster. Wilkins and the players can bleat on as much as they like about how Pardews exit did not affect them because they're 'professionals', but I hope Cortese has a really fantastic game plan because to me that team has had the stuffing knocked right out of them and the morale in the dressing room now must be rock f-ing bottom!

 

Nothing has changed at Saints other than now we've got to sit back and watch this next horror story unfold.

[corsacar saint]

I mean the comment by Hornseysaintsfan.

[Deppo]

cortese killed markus to sack pardew

 

[bpsaint]

I can tell you for a fact that if Pardew had still been in charge Aaron Martin would have been in the starting 11 tonight.

 

Let's just say his face doesn't fit with Cortese.

[doddisalegend]

I can tell you for a fact that if Pardew had still been in charge Aaron Martin would have been in the starting 11 tonight.

 

Let's just say his face doesn't fit with Cortese.

 

What Martins or Pardews?

[Wes Tender]

I can tell you for a fact that if Pardew had still been in charge Aaron Martin would have been in the starting 11 tonight.

 

Let's just say his face doesn't fit with Cortese.

 

Did Pardew tell you that? So it doesn't make sense then to give a defender a rest after Saturday and play another well qualified defender instead? And presumably Seabourne who Pardew brought in is out of favour. Whatever happened to him?

[bpsaint]

What Martins or Pardews?

 

Martins. NC saw AP picking him as an act of defience.

[kpturner]

Well none jump out at me after that game.

Like I said, you can't have been to many games.....or you have a poor memory. It was bad, but there are so many worse that I can remember since I started going in 1977. Almost every home game under Ian Branfoot was worse than that - and they were important league games!

[kpturner]

Martins. NC saw AP picking him as an act of defience.

What on earth makes you think that NC does not want Aaron Martin to play? He personally negotiated the bloody transfer of the lad from Eastleigh.

[doddisalegend]

Martins. NC saw AP picking him as an act of defience.

 

WTF whats it got to do with the chairman? The manager should pick the team not the ****ing chairman. Explains a lot about tonights team if true.

[kpturner]

WTF whats it got to do with the chairman? The manager should pick the team not the ****ing chairman. Explains a lot about tonights team if true.

It is not true

[Micky]

cortese killed markus to sack pardew

 

I note that you rarely post, perhaps you should keep it so.

[Jonnyboy]

Martins. NC saw AP picking him as an act of defience.

 

Jaidi is starting to look like he needs to sent to the knackers yard...

 

maybe we are that yard?

[Micky]

We didn't look as if we were up for it and perhaps the players were a bit bewildered by the recent loss of Pardew. Certainly the crowd were very subdued apart from the idiotic chanting of Pardew's name whenever Swindon scored. That will have helped the players, wouldnt it?

 

But let's be a bit more objective about things for a change instead of slashing our wrists just yet and face a few truths, unpalateable as they might be.

 

For all the chants for Pardew, people seem to have very selective short memories and have somehow overlooked the fact that Swindon beat us twice last season under him. I would suggest that the first defeat by them was with a performance just as lacklustre as this one if I recall.

 

This was also Pardew's team. Who is to say with any real conviction that had Pardew still been in charge, we would not have lost under him? I would also suggest that the team selected was as strong as it could have been.

 

On balance in the game, we often had periods when we had more of the play and penetrated their defence more often than they threatened ours. Of the two keepers, theirs was the busier. But as often before under Pardew, a team had three chances and took them, while we had several more and failed to score.

 

A couple of other things are worthy of mention and again would not have changed had Pardew still been here. Lallana's absence if a big miss for us and Lambert somehow seems out of sorts.

 

On the plus side (there is one), the defeat makes Cortese's decision over the new manager more urgent than before the match.

 

Although it would have been nice to have won the JPT back to back, we no longer have it as a distraction.

 

The team played with more width than usual under Pardew and I for one hated the way that he restricted our play that way. I hope that we play with more width under the new manager.

 

Whoever comes in has a quality squad available to him and just needs to restore confidence and belief. If we get a top name in, that is the sort of manager who can transform a team within a short time.

 

Just as an aside, the referee and linesmen were diabolical, but that is often something one notices when things don't go well and we look for somebody to blame. But when their striker went to shoot at goal and sliced the ball out wide, the moronic officials awarding a corner really plumbed the depths of incompetance.

 

Shyte Wes - you've almost cheered me up tonight. Glad to see somebody who can take the positives from a bad situation, so we are still alive and kickin' eh.

[bpsaint]

What on earth makes you think that NC does not want Aaron Martin to play? He personally negotiated the bloody transfer of the lad from Eastleigh.

 

Let me assure you I have a strong link to the family. AM was told by everyone he was best trainer during preseason,and AP told him by the end of the season he wanted him to be a first choice centre-back. A couple of weeks later though NC told AP that he was to pick his strongest 11 from the off as he expected a winning start which meant Jaidi came in to partner Fonte.

 

Then the Leyton Orient game rolls round and AP tells AM that he is going to be on the bench for the game,but on Saturday it's Seaborne who takes his place,a decision even Seaborne is baffled by. AP takes AM to one side and tells him he is going to have to send him out on loan for reasons he can't say.

 

Following the poor performace by Jaidi against Orient AP takes the gamble to bring Martin in against Bolton,a gamble that pays off and he continues to remain in the squad against Bristol Rovers at the expense of Jaidi,but Fonte comes out a couple of days later and says what a good partnership it is turning into and singing AM's praises.

 

Then suddenly despite the ptretty much same team being picked tonight following AP's sacking AM is dropped from the first 11,in fact he's not even on the bench. Don't you find that a bit odd?

 

I don't normally like ITK posters,and refrained from posting any of this info in recent weeks,but after AP's sacking it makes it clearer to me that sole responsibilty for picking the team isn't being completely decided by the manager. Whether you choose to believe any of this is up to you.

[Dark Munster]

A mountain to climb, but still all to play for in the second leg.

 

COYR!!!!

I disagree. There's no way we can overcome a 3-0 deficit. Play the kids in the second leg.