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CWD

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I really wouldn't read anything into the odds tbh.

 

was pardew even listed on the odds before he came here?

 

I would tend to agree with you. WGS was odds on at one point, and so was Donkey Adams!

mitch01

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Howe - I wouldnt mind, seems up and coming and has done a blinding job down the coast.

 

Brown - Wouldnt be too happy with this, his Hull players had nothing but bad things to say about him after he left.

 

Zola - I'd take him, given the alternatives. Highly respected in football and was thrown in at the deep end at WHU.

 

Hart - No thanks, his CV doesnt merit him getting this job.

 

Shearer - Yes please, the man is a winner. It won't happen, though.

 

Dowie - See Hart.

 

O'Neill - Would be an incredible appointment, but I just can't see it. If Sir Alex were to quit tomorrow he would be one of the favourites there, so why come here?

 

Tisdale - I'm not sure he has the contacts, we're looking for someone who could conceivably manage in the Premiership, and I don't think he could. Wouldn't be a disaster in the short term, though.

 

Blackwell - Sheff Utd fans didn't seem to rate him at all, but then again the same could be said with Pardew at Charlton.

 

Keegan - Dream on, he'll always be linked but nothing will come of it.

 

Hoddle - Same as Keegan, really.

 

Coleman - failed at Coventry, I think we can aim higher.

 

 

For the record, I don't think the eventual successor is necessarily on this list. I wouldn't be surprised if Cortese pulled out an appointment from abroad, I've heard Leonardo's name mentioned on the forum and I think (and hope) the appointment will be along those lines.

Ash

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Brown - Wouldnt be too happy with this, his Hull players had nothing but bad things to say about him after he left.

 

Zola - I'd take him, given the alternatives. Highly respected in football and was thrown in at the deep end at WHU.

 

Shearer - Yes please, the man is a winner. It won't happen, though.

 

Brown - The Hull players who were premier league players because of him.

 

Zola - Why you'd prefer him to a man who has experience in getting teams promoted is beyond me. If he was thrown in at the deep end at Wham what's the Saints job going to be like?

 

Shearer - Took five points from twenty four as manager of Newcastle while introducing a superb wing back system. His only victory came against also relegated Boro. How is he a winner? He is no more a winner than the other members of the Blackburn squad from that year; shall we appoint Colin Hendry, David Batty and Jason Wilcox as staff?

aintforever

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I would go for Tony Mowbray, good track record and managed at a higher level.

 

Eddie Howe would be my choice if we had a long term plan and a chairman with patience. I would fear for Howe under Cortese's "instant success or bullet" pressure.

 

If not Mowbray I think either a big name like Shearer or Zola, or someone who's had the pressure before like Brown or Dowie could get us promoted.

mitch01

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Brown - The Hull players who were premier league players because of him.

 

Zola - Why you'd prefer him to a man who has experience in getting teams promoted is beyond me. If he was thrown in at the deep end at Wham what's the Saints job going to be like?

 

Shearer - Took five points from twenty four as manager of Newcastle while introducing a superb wing back system. His only victory came against also relegated Boro. How is he a winner? He is no more a winner than the other members of the Blackburn squad from that year; shall we appoint Colin Hendry, David Batty and Jason Wilcox as staff?

 

Brown - I've never seen such a public comdemnation of a former manager as Boateng's after Brown was finally put out of his misery at Hull. Not arguing that he did a bad job there overall, he took them up over 20 places in the football league ladder, no mean feat, but his record since a third of the way through his first season in the premiership really is appalling. Plus he left them in the financial mire, (not his fault, just proves he was given the resources). I lost a lot of respect for him when he took his half time team talk on the pitch, not only did it heap pressure on and humiliate his players, but it also smacked of a manager aiming to deflect the blame from himself.

 

Zola - Do you actually think that the Saints job is more highly pressurised than West Ham? The pressure on him there was enormous, and despite having a very disappointing season last year he averted disaster by keeping them up and I'm sure was looking forward to building his team this year before he was ousted. Their flying start to this campaign should demonstrate what a tough ask it is to manage there. He's exactly the calibre of up and coming manager that I think would suit us, since he should be able to attract decent talent. This is an advantage he may have over the likes of Howe, for example.

 

Shearer - Hardly fair to judge him on the Newcastle job, his first experience of management and thrown into a war-zone of a club. Perhaps I should clarify, when I say 'winner', I mean he has a winner's mentality. He may have only won one league title, but surely you accept that had he taken the chance to move to Utd, as he could have done on many occasions, he would have many more medals in the cabinet. Would this make him more of a 'winner' in your eyes? By your definition, Quentin Fortune and John O'Shea are more suited to the title. In my book it is a state of mind. He doesn't suffer fools and knows what makes a successful football team/club. In much the same way as Roy Keane propelled Sunderland from rock bottom of the Championship to the Premiership in less than a season, I think that this kind of figure could do the same for us.

benjii

benjii

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Shearer - Hardly fair to judge him on the Newcastle job, his first experience of management and thrown into a war-zone of a club. Perhaps I should clarify, when I say 'winner', I mean he has a winner's mentality. He may have only won one league title, but surely you accept that had he taken the chance to move to Utd, as he could have done on many occasions, he would have many more medals in the cabinet. Would this make him more of a 'winner' in your eyes? By your definition, Quentin Fortune and John O'Shea are more suited to the title. In my book it is a state of mind. He doesn't suffer fools and knows what makes a successful football team/club. In much the same way as Roy Keane propelled Sunderland from rock bottom of the Championship to the Premiership in less than a season, I think that this kind of figure could do the same for us.

 

Doesn't that contradict the assertion that he's a winner?

 

Doesn't it actually suggest he's a weird northerner?

mitch01

mitch01

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Doesn't that contradict the assertion that he's a winner?

 

Doesn't it actually suggest he's a weird northerner?

 

He's got a winners mentality, one of the best players ever to play in England, not just in terms of talent, but longevity and commitment, too. But all this is besides the point, he would be fantastic for us, although I can't see it happening.

benjii

benjii

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He's got a winners mentality, one of the best players ever to play in England, not just in terms of talent, but longevity and commitment, too. But all this is besides the point, he would be fantastic for us, although I can't see it happening.

 

I know what you mean - he is strong willed in terms of self-confidence.

 

I fear he would be an awful manager though.

Charlie Wayman

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As of 2.15 for those who can't access

 

Hart -evens

Brown/Shearer both 3/1

Zola 4/1

Howe 7/1

Dowie 9/1

 

How very effing depressing. I hope this is a nightmare 'cos if it's real life and one of these cretins gets picked I'll personally hurl large lumps of brown stuff at the director's box

Huntingdon

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I heard Howe's interview on Solent

 

He said he's had no contact with Saints, but refused to be drawn on it

That was his opportunity to please all Cherries fans by saying I'm not interested

 

He didn't though, I reckon he'd be straight down the A31 given the opportunity

bender

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I heard Howe's interview on Solent

 

He said he's had no contact with Saints, but refused to be drawn on it

That was his opportunity to please all Cherries fans by saying I'm not interested

 

He didn't though, I reckon he'd be straight down the A31 given the opportunity

 

Is it blocked off at the moment then

St_Tel49

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He's got a winners mentality, one of the best players ever to play in England, not just in terms of talent, but longevity and commitment, too. But all this is besides the point, he would be fantastic for us, although I can't see it happening.

 

I'm sorry - looking at it it from a managerial point of view Shearer would be a HUGE gamble. Cortese does not strike me as a gambler.

Ash

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Zola - Do you actually think that the Saints job is more highly pressurised than West Ham?

 

Shearer - He may have only won one league title, but surely you accept that had he taken the chance to move to Utd, as he could have done on many occasions, he would have many more medals in the cabinet. Would this make him more of a 'winner' in your eyes?

 

Zola - No I don't; that's why I didn't say such a thing.

 

Shearer - Yes it would. Winning things would have made him more of a winner in my eyes. I am being pedantic but I really think he would be an awful manager. Where the supposed desire to succeed as a manager comes from I don't know. Is he spending his time learning his trade? Or spending his time on the couch with Gary and Alan? Never saw Roy Keane cropping up on MOTD after between jobs.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I heard Howe's interview on Solent

 

He said he's had no contact with Saints, but refused to be drawn on it

That was his opportunity to please all Cherries fans by saying I'm not interested

 

He didn't though, I reckon he'd be straight down the A31 given the opportunity

 

He has regularly slagged Southampton off and said he would never join us (I was there.) He won't come here.

opthomps

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I imagine Cortese will base his appointment on the interview and rapport with the next manager rather than just experience and/or reputation. I think he wants a manager who thinks like him, therefore speculation as to who it will be is even more difficult than normal. Having said that Cortese is ambitious and a winner, so we should end up with the right man for the job.

 

Fingers crossed

NickG

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He has regularly slagged Southampton off and said he would never join us (I was there.) He won't come here.

 

sounded like he has changed his mind then - easy to say that when you think it will never happen - if you suddenly get a chance maybe his principals have changed.

 

he had easy opportunity to dismiss it and he actually did the opposite.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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sounded like he has changed his mind then - easy to say that when you think it will never happen - if you suddenly get a chance maybe his principals have changed.

 

he had easy opportunity to dismiss it and he actually did the opposite.

 

I know a journalist who speaks to him regularly. I would be very surprised if he comes here.

NickG

NickG

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he could easily got rid of rumours when asked, but instead said "not worth commenting yet as don't even know if they would want me"

NickG

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To take it to an extreme, if you are a manager on relatively low income in league 1 and you hate Arsenal, but they come in with offer of job, double money etc etc, any petty reason to dislike them will go in an instant.

 

I know we are not Arsenal but you get my point - huge step up in money, potential and profile (but also pressure).

 

If he doesn't want it I think it would be due to the pressure early in his career.

benjii

benjii

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You can forget Zola.

 

He was on his way down this morning for an interview but when he was getting ready he had an unfortunate accident and had to go to hospital instead. I have proof:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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toofarnorth

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I'm sorry - looking at it it from a managerial point of view Shearer would be a HUGE gamble. Cortese does not strike me as a gambler.

 

Sacking Pardew was a huge gamble in my eyes so i'd say that's exactly what he is.

lumpofshipperley

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Before the JPT game the usual radio solent commentator - can't remember his name - said that the Hart rumour was a complete fabrication. He said very strongly that it was made up, and for a BBC presenter to say that then they must be pretty sure. Think he even said he spoke to someone at the club.

 

Uncle Dave Merrington to steady the ship before we get a proper appointment in!!! He's a legend!

sandwichsaint

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I would take any of the following (however unlikely!):

MO'N!!

Zola

Adkins

Mowbray

Davies

Warnock

Peirce

 

Lukewarm but would accept:

McClaren

Tisdale

Howe

Southgate

Brown

 

No thanks:

Shearer

Hart(!)

 

 

Not saying whether I like or I don't like, and judged purely on a HCDAJFU basis.

What is it with people thinking Alan 'interesting' Shearer would leave a highly paid TV job to stick his whole reputation on the line with a third division team?

benjii

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Agree with your "no thanks". But Davies, Warnock (not going to happen anyway) or Pearce ahead of McClaren? Ok, he may have made a bit of a tit of himself at England but in club terms he has been No 2 at Man U, did pretty well at Boro and won the league with FC "who the feck are they?" Twente. He would be an amazing coup.

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