I wish Matty would keep out of it...

[The Kraken]

I'm alot more worried about the quotes attributed to a first team player.

 

One first-teamer, who asked not to be named, said: "The chairman told us he felt the club had become too divided.

 

"He said he was concerned that some players were not getting a chance and he wanted all the squad to feel part of the club, not just from one to 11 but from one to 30."

 

That strikes me as Clotese interfering with team affairs, which is a massively dangerous route for a club chairman to start going down.

[Wade Garrett]

You don't really think any member of staff wanting to keep their job is going to comment, do you?

 

All I'm saying is that Matty only has Pardew's side of the story. He should have got some balance before going to the press and potentially harming the club. I'm sure he could have got some info from the players and staff, you never know, they might think that Pardew was an arse.

 

He's been a bit quick to put the boot in, and I have lost a bit more respect for him.

[alpine_saint]

I'm alot more worried about the quotes attributed to a first team player.

 

One first-teamer, who asked not to be named, said: "The chairman told us he felt the club had become too divided.

 

"He said he was concerned that some players were not getting a chance and he wanted all the squad to feel part of the club, not just from one to 11 but from one to 30."

 

 

That strikes me as Clotese interfering with team affairs, which is a massively dangerous route for a club chairman to start going down.

 

I think it is an allusion to this rumour going round that AP liked to send people home from training that were not in his plans for the next game, hence creating a two-tier squad. I have never heard of any other manager doing this before.

 

Hardly the same as turning up at Staplewood with a monogrammed track-suit and picking the team.

[The Kraken]

I think it is an allusion to this rumour going round that AP liked to send people home from training that were not in his plans for the next game, hence creating a two-tier squad. I have never heard of any other manager doing this before.

 

Hardly the same as turning up at Staplewood with a monogrammed track-suit and picking the team.

 

I've been to see training a few times at Staplewood, before AP and after; it's often completely unproductive to have the whole squad training together (too many numbers) so they are split into first team and reserves. Nothing at all sinister in that, I'm sure it happens at many if not all clubs. And it's up to the manager and his coaches to decide how he conducts training, as that's what he's paid for. Not the chairman.

[alpine_saint]

I've been to see training a few times at Staplewood, before AP and after; it's often completely unproductive to have the whole squad training together (too many numbers) so they are split into first team and reserves. Nothing at all sinister in that, I'm sure it happens at many if not all clubs. And it's up to the manager and his coaches to decide how he conducts training, as that's what he's paid for. Not the chairman.

 

I agree about splitting the sessions, but sending them home ?

 

How can they break into the first team if they cannot show what they are doing in training ?

[Wade Garrett]

I've been to see training a few times at Staplewood, before AP and after; it's often completely unproductive to have the whole squad training together (too many numbers) so they are split into first team and reserves. Nothing at all sinister in that, I'm sure it happens at many if not all clubs. And it's up to the manager and his coaches to decide how he conducts training, as that's what he's paid for. Not the chairman.

 

Correct. However, the manager and coaches are judged by results, and if they're not good that's when the chairman does his job.

 

Fact is, we dropped too many easy points last year where we didn't look like a team. Wycombe away will forever live in my memory. We looked like a Wessex League side and persisted playing through the middle of a boggy pitch instead of playing wide, where the ground was much better. Playing long ball as we did against Plymouth, with 2 smallish forwards finally persuaded me that maybe Pardew wasn't that great. The timing of the sacking stinks though.

 

Would be interested in Matty's views on Pardew's performance in these 2 games and a few others I could mention.

[The Kraken]

Correct. However, the manager and coaches are judged by results, and if they're not good that's when the chairman does his job.

 

Fact is, we dropped too many easy points last year where we didn't look like a team. Wycombe away will forever live in my memory. We looked like a Wessex League side and persisted playing through the middle of a boggy pitch instead of playing wide, where the ground was much better. Playing long ball as we did against Plymouth, with 2 smallish forwards finally persuaded me that maybe Pardew wasn't that great. The timing of the sacking stinks though.

 

Would be interested in Matty's views on Pardew's performance in these 2 games and a few others I could mention.

 

Fair enough point in itself Wade; though in this case we're being told that results weren't the main issue for the sacking, it was more to do with the division between the first team and development squad. Which fits in with the quotes attributed to the first team player.

 

I find it strange that Rupert Lowe was castigated (and rightly so IMO) if he was seen as stepping on the toes of the management of the first team, yet Clotese is seemingly immune from this accusation as he saved the club and has mapped out a blueprint for our future.

[The Kraken]

I agree about splitting the sessions, but sending them home ?

 

How can they break into the first team if they cannot show what they are doing in training ?

 

This is the first time I've heard it and whether it's true I don't know, so we're debating something all based on an assumption. But they could be being sent home as they're not in the travelling squad for the next game, therefore don't need to be in a meeting to talk about specific tactics. Who knows? But they'd get their chance like any other player would do, as I said that approach to training is implemented by most if not all professional clubs, and they seem to get by just fine with it.

[manji]

Its in MLTs interest to denigrate the current set-up because the more succesful it is the more pathetic the Pinnacle Group appears bearing in mind their dopey intervention delayed Liebhers takeover and possibly stopped us being promoted last season

[alpine_saint]

This is the first time I've heard it and whether it's true I don't know, so we're debating something all based on an assumption. But they could be being sent home as they're not in the travelling squad for the next game, therefore don't need to be in a meeting to talk about specific tactics. Who knows? But they'd get their chance like any other player would do, as I said that approach to training is implemented by most if not all professional clubs, and they seem to get by just fine with it.

 

I find it strange, I have to say.

 

I've just bought a house a bit away from where I am currently living. Because of this I had to change my son's football team. It took 2 weeks for the Austrian FA to change his registration (sounds like the Italian FA..), in the meantime the games started so he couldnt play. During this time I suggested to him that he still went to the games and sat with the other subs on the bench, and went into the changing room at HT, so that he at least felt part of the team in some way. He accepted my suggestion without word. When his registration change was confirmed he slotted nicely into the team without problem.

 

If AP was sending players home from training, how can they fit in well when finally called upon ?

[The Kraken]

Its in MLTs interest to denigrate the current set-up because the more succesful it is the more pathetic the Pinnacle Group appears bearing in mind their dopey intervention delayed Liebhers takeover and possibly stopped us being promoted last season

 

That doesn't really make sense though; no matter how successful or otherwise the current owners are they will always be credited with and thanked for saving the club when it was on its knees. And the Pinnacle group will always be remembered for the tyre-kicking non-entity they actually were. No amount of success or prolonged failure by the current incumbents will change people's opinion that Pinnacle almost destroyed SFC, and Liebherr/Cortese saved it.

[Andy_Porter]

I agree about splitting the sessions, but sending them home ?

 

How can they break into the first team if they cannot show what they are doing in training ?

 

 

It does sound worrying, but maybe he's just sending home the likes of Pulis, Forecast, Holmes etc in an attempt to get them to accept they're just not part of his plans and should accept loan/permanent moves away or even accept a matual termination?

[alpine_saint]

Its in MLTs interest to denigrate the current set-up because the more succesful it is the more pathetic the Pinnacle Group appears bearing in mind their dopey intervention delayed Liebhers takeover and possibly stopped us being promoted last season

 

A bit strong, manji, but I think there is a little ill-will there because of the take-over. And in fairness it was probably caused by NC, since it is clear he saw Pinnacle as a damned nuisance that stopped him from getting on with the takeover.

[shurlock]

Correct. However, the manager and coaches are judged by results, and if they're not good that's when the chairman does his job.

 

Fact is, we dropped too many easy points last year where we didn't look like a team. Wycombe away will forever live in my memory. We looked like a Wessex League side and persisted playing through the middle of a boggy pitch instead of playing wide, where the ground was much better. Playing long ball as we did against Plymouth, with 2 smallish forwards finally persuaded me that maybe Pardew wasn't that great. The timing of the sacking stinks though.

 

Would be interested in Matty's views on Pardew's performance in these 2 games and a few others I could mention.

 

Agree though the pattern was more systematic - Brentford, Exeter, Tranmere, Brighton were away games in which we looked clueless (I don't include Millwall because they ultimately went up). And when we did eke out wins, they were hardly convincing - Brizzle Rovers and Norwich apart.

 

The irony is that we looked much, much better on our travels in the first half of the season than the second. That was my big question mark over Pards, that we seemed to be going backwards away from home and not learning. And while most people who saw our home games could rave over some big results, that was smoke and mirrors stuff when you consider the record points hauls by our closest rivals and the fact you didn't have a pot to p i $ $ in last season if you only won your home games.

Edited 31 August, 2010 by shurlock
allergy to stars

[AussieDog]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and some have earned the right to say more than others. Matt gave his heart and soul for 16 years. I couldn't care less if he has made a few mistakes or errors of judgement (in all honesty his biggest mistake was probably staying with us for his whole career!) - haven't we all?

It doesn't mean I want him running our club, but it does mean I will give him the time of day to hear what he has to say. From what has been reported he doesn't seem to be saying anything different to what alot of us are thinking anyway. Cortese has chosen not to be PR friendly and if he's not going to give us any reasoning and insight into his thought processes then I think he's fair game to thses types of comments.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Its in MLTs interest to denigrate the current set-up because the more succesful it is the more pathetic the Pinnacle Group appears bearing in mind their dopey intervention delayed Liebhers takeover and possibly stopped us being promoted last season

No it is not! MLT loves the club above all else, he got involved with Pinnacle when it looked like the club would go out of existence. He didn't have too there were countless other ways he could have used his time for personal gain! in retrospect it was the wrong consortium but at least he was trying to do something positive. Matt was one of few people to stick by the club in its hour of need and to say otherwise is disingenuous!

[The Kraken]

I find it strange, I have to say.

 

I've just bought a house a bit away from where I am currently living. Because of this I had to change my son's football team. It took 2 weeks for the Austrian FA to change his registration (sounds like the Italian FA..), in the meantime the games started so he couldnt play. During this time I suggested to him that he still went to the games and sat with the other subs on the bench, and went into the changing room at HT, so that he at least felt part of the team in some way. He accepted my suggestion without word. When his registration change was confirmed he slotted nicely into the team without problem.

 

If AP was sending players home from training, how can they fit in well when finally called upon ?

 

Again, we're debating something that is an assumption. We have no idea exactly when they are being sent home. They could be doing routine fitness training with the entire squad for 90% of the training then are separated for specific tactical work. Wouldn't be a problem then. It could just be the development sqaud that are being sent home, i.e. young lads who won't be expected to break into the first team for another year or two at least. Again, I don't see the problem with that.

 

It's an ideal world that we would have all of the squad vying for places, training together for everything etc etc, but in the real world it just doesn't work like that. Your analogy, while valid in its own right, is just not comparable to the demands of professional football.

 

AP has spent a lifetime in football, as a top level player and manager. Whatever decisions he makes on the training ground are clearly ones steeped in the knowledge he has gained in that time of how things work within a football club. I find it strange for a man with 15 months experience of running a club to be so directly involved in day to day policy of team matters.

[Saint_clark]

I agree about splitting the sessions, but sending them home ?

 

How can they break into the first team if they cannot show what they are doing in training ?

 

It's bullsh*t. Remember when Holmes broke into the team last season, because he'd "impressed in training"?

[Junior Mullet]

"He told me he was exasperated at some of the decisions that were made and some of the things he was made to do."

 

The mind boggles. Answers on a postcard as to what this may mean. Personally I have an image of NC asking AP to naked butler in the 1885 club after matches.

[Wade Garrett]

You don't really think any member of staff wanting to keep their job is going to comment, do you?

 

Why not. It would be off the record, and maybe, just maybe, it will support Cortese's decision.

[St Landrew]

Not even a bit of drizzle in a teacup. Matty is entitled to say what he thinks, if asked. He has said what anyone would say. I wasn't aware of any problems and I don't know. That's as much as anyone can say.

[Wade Garrett]

"He told me he was exasperated at some of the decisions that were made and some of the things he was made to do."

 

The mind boggles. Answers on a postcard as to what this may mean. Personally I have an image of NC asking AP to naked butler in the 1885 club after matches.

 

I was exasperated at times how Pardew instructed the team to play. Plymouth home, Wycombe away last season and quite a few more.

[Saint_clark]

Agree though the pattern was more systematic - Brentford, Exeter, Tranmere, Brighton were away games in which we looked clueless (I don't include Millwall because they ultimately went up). And when we did eke out wins, they were hardly convincing - Brizzle Rovers and Norwich apart.

 

 

Rewriting history already? What about all those 3-1 wins, Southend, Hartlepool, Oldham etc.

[dune]

No it is not! MLT loves the club above all else, he got involved with Pinnacle when it looked like the club would go out of existence. He didn't have too there were countless other ways he could have used his time for personal gain! in retrospect it was the wrong consortium but at least he was trying to do something positive. Matt was one of few people to stick by the club in its hour of need and to say otherwise is disingenuous!

 

Spot on. And don't anyone dare forget that he saved our club every ****ing season he played for us.

[shurlock]

It's bullsh*t. Remember when Holmes broke into the team last season, because he'd "impressed in training"?

 

And seeing him line up against Millwall was one of the most surreal things I saw last season - no coincidence that it followed a mid-season break in Spain where the whole squad was basically forced to spend time together.

 

Fact remains that for better or worse, Pards team selection was one of the most predictable in years - players like Papa, Gobern, Thomas, Mellis, Gillett barely got a look-in or were used capriciously while some players seemed to walk on water in AP's eyes. Of course, things might have changed as more people came through the ranks - after all, AP never had much confidence in the infrastructure and made no bones of the fact that he thought our squad was far too big and full of dross to be stripped down and shipped out.

[Andy_Porter]

Agree though the pattern was more systematic - Brentford, Exeter, Tranmere, Brighton were away games in which we looked clueless (I don't include Millwall because they ultimately went up). And when we did eke out wins, they were hardly convincing - Brizzle Rovers and Norwich apart.

 

The irony is that we looked much, much better on our travels in the first half of the season than the second. That was my big question mark over Pards, that we seemed to be going backwards away from home and not learning. And while most people who saw our home games could rave over some big results, that was smoke and mirrors stuff when you consider the record points hauls by our closest rivals and the fact you didn't have a pot to p i $ $ in last season if you only won your home games.

 

Of the four games you mentioned we only lost one and that was down to an incredibly dodgy ref. As for us looking clueless, that's always going to seem the case after a draw and is incredibly easy to say, the only games where I felt we looked clueless where Milwall and to an extent Wycombe. I still don't understand how any football fan can honestly think an away draw is a bad result, it's ridiculous even a team who have aspirations of winning the league shouldn't be expecting to win every away game.

 

As for not looking convincing apart from Rovers and Norwich, I take it you forgot the two trips to MK since Xmas? Even Saturdays game against Rovers. We beat Yeovil as well, mainly thanks to a treble sub from Pardew.

[Andy_Porter]

And seeing him line up against Millwall was one of the most surreal things I saw last season - no coincidence that it followed a mid-season break in Spain where the whole squad was basically forced to spend time together.

 

Fact remains that for better or worse, Pards team selection was one of the most predictable in years - players like Papa, Gobern, Thomas, Mellis, Gillett barely got a look-in or were used capriciously while some players seemed to walk on water in AP's eyes. Of course, things might have changed as more people came through the ranks - after all, AP never had much confidence in the infrastructure and made no bones of the fact that he thought our squad was far too big and full of dross to be stripped down and shipped out.

 

Who exactly?

[shurlock]

Rewriting history already? What about all those 3-1 wins, Southend, Hartlepool, Oldham etc.

 

Read what i wrote - "The irony is that we looked much, much better on our travels in the first half of the season than the second. That was my big question mark over Pards, that we seemed to be going backwards away from home and not learning"-

 

you basically prove my point: as you'll recall all those games were before Xmas.

[Andy_Porter]

Read what i wrote - "The irony is that we looked much, much better on our travels in the first half of the season than the second. That was my big question mark over Pards, that we seemed to be going backwards away from home and not learning"-

 

you basically prove my point: as you'll recall all those games were before Xmas.

 

Basically you expect Pardew to be winning every single away game then? mental.

[The Kraken]

Read what i wrote - "The irony is that we looked much, much better on our travels in the first half of the season than the second. That was my big question mark over Pards, that we seemed to be going backwards away from home and not learning"-

 

you basically prove my point: as you'll recall all those games were before Xmas.

 

Actually, our overall form in the first half of the season and the second half were very similar.

 

Up to Xmas we registered 16 points from 12 games (W4, D4, L4).

After Xmas we registered 17 points from 11 games (W4, D5, L2).

 

So you could even argue that we became more hard to beat away from home in the second half of the season.

[shurlock]

Who exactly?

 

James is the most obvious, though his injury then kept him out. To a lesser extent, Antonio and Puncheon -good players IMO- looked distinctly ordinary towards the end of the season but AP rarely shuffled things around.

[shurlock]

Actually, our overall form in the first half of the season and the second half were very similar.

 

Up to Xmas we registered 16 points from 12 games (W4, D4, L4).

After Xmas we registered 17 points from 11 games (W4, D5, L2).

 

So you could even argue that we became more hard to beat away from home in the second half of the season.

 

The return is more or less equal (albeit slightly better after Xmas as you point out) but bear in mind we i) barely had a team for the openers (Huddersfield, Swindon, Stockport), ii) strengthened hugely during the Jan window and iii) played four of the top six before Xmas. Factor all that in and the second half looks much less impressive.

[Topcat]

From the Echo

it was also suggested last night that the timing of the sacking, after a 4-0 away victory, at Bristol Rovers, was intentional, with the club wanting to show it was not a decision based on results.

 

So now we have Managerial changes made which are not based on results.... That is the road to failure.

 

Advisor on this? Step forward Les "the Managerial failure" Reed.

[shurlock]

Basically you expect Pardew to be winning every single away game then? mental.

 

No but results apart and I know you did alot of away games, you can't deny that our away performances after Xmas were pretty indifferent. I have less of a problem with the points haul than the way we played, especially as I never demanded the playoffs (always more hope than expectation). Instead I was more interested in seeing some proper roots being laid by AP other than hoofball and raggedly chasing games when plan A failed. Thankfully we have some top quality players that bailed us out - and thats why Im relatively confident that a new manager can take over without too much disruption.

[aintforever]

So basically this thread is some bloke from Austria who never goes to any games and does nothing but criticise, telling a club legend he cannot have an opinion.

[The Kraken]

The return is more or less equal (albeit slightly better after Xmas as you point out) but bear in mind we i) barely had a team for the openers (Huddersfield, Swindon, Stockport), ii) strengthened hugely during the Jan window and iii) played four of the top six before Xmas. Factor all that in and the second half looks much less impressive.

 

Fair comment about the start of the season, but you'll find that if you discount the first 2 away games, whcih we lost, from then on to Xmas our form was very similar to the second half of the season (W4, D4, L2). Also, while we did play 4 of the top six before Xmas, in the second half of the season we also beat the Champions and played Millwall who went up, plus comprehensive wins over teams around us at the time in MK Dons and Bristol Rovers. Plus our run in the JPT.

 

So I don't agreee that the second half of the season was much less impressive; I agree that it took us 3 or 4 games at the start of the season to get properly going but after that our away form was pretty much consistent for the rest of the campaign.

[dune]

So basically this thread is some bloke from Austria who never goes to any games and does nothing but criticise, telling a club legend he cannot have an opinion.

 

Now you've done it.

[alpine_saint]

So basically this thread is some bloke from Austria who never goes to any games and does nothing but criticise, telling a club legend he cannot have an opinion.

 

If you really are such a simpleton, I can see why you would think so.

[RonManager]

WTF is the matter with you nowadays ?

 

The poor fellow is suffering from the ague and the vapours. Deppo is to be leached every day and then taken by foot cariage to take the spa waters at Bath.

 

yours,

Deppo's doctor.

[Andy_Porter]

James is the most obvious, though his injury then kept him out. To a lesser extent, Antonio and Puncheon -good players IMO- looked distinctly ordinary towards the end of the season but AP rarely shuffled things around.

 

James was our second choice right back, It was only Murty getting injured that meant he figured so much, Ostemebor kept him out since he signed.

 

Antonio got pulled early doors in a couple of games last season where he clearly wasn't up for it. Puncheon I think was just being given a run of games as he was new to the side and there's obvious talent there just need to get it out of him.

 

The only player who I thought got too much playing time was Hammond, I'd like to have seen Puncheon played through the middle with Antonio or Waigo brought in for the odd game.

[Andy_Porter]

No but results apart and I know you did alot of away games, you can't deny that our away performances after Xmas were pretty indifferent. I have less of a problem with the points haul than the way we played, especially as I never demanded the playoffs (always more hope than expectation). Instead I was more interested in seeing some proper roots being laid by AP other than hoofball and raggedly chasing games when plan A failed. Thankfully we have some top quality players that bailed us out - and thats why Im relatively confident that a new manager can take over without too much disruption.

 

Milwall was totally AP's fault, terrible team selection and choice of subs. Just shocking.

 

Brentford and Wycombe where partly AP's fault and partly not having the right sort of players to win games on a shocking pitch in the middle of winter on a Tuesday night.

 

Tranmere and Exeter where just a case of really bad luck and terrible refereing, Tranmere in particular was a joke.

 

The rest of the games bar Gills which was a nothing game where all good performances and results for Pardew and the team.

 

I don't think there was anything wrong with our away form or performance at any point after the Stockport game, the first three where a joke and then it all improved to a Championship winning level IMO.

[shurlock]

James was our second choice right back, It was only Murty getting injured that meant he figured so much, Ostemebor kept him out since he signed.

 

Antonio got pulled early doors in a couple of games last season where he clearly wasn't up for it. Puncheon I think was just being given a run of games as he was new to the side and there's obvious talent there just need to get it out of him.

 

The only player who I thought got too much playing time was Hammond, I'd like to have seen Puncheon played through the middle with Antonio or Waigo brought in for the odd game.

 

With James, it was more the fact that if he wasn't used as RB he might be used as CM or RM. Agree about Hammond - really went off the boil after his injury against Millwall but stuck to think of anyone who could have come in other than Wotton - still puzzling why AP never strengthened there.

[shurlock]

Milwall was totally AP's fault, terrible team selection and choice of subs. Just shocking.

 

Brentford and Wycombe where partly AP's fault and partly not having the right sort of players to win games on a shocking pitch in the middle of winter on a Tuesday night.

 

Tranmere and Exeter where just a case of really bad luck and terrible refereing, Tranmere in particular was a joke.

 

The rest of the games bar Gills which was a nothing game where all good performances and results for Pardew and the team.

 

I don't think there was anything wrong with our away form or performance at any point after the Stockport game, the first three where a joke and then it all improved to a Championship winning level IMO.

 

As I say I thought that after Stockport we played pretty well away from home until Xmas - can't be a coincidence that DC and Papa featured heavily in those games and gave us more guile and movement. After Xmas, I dont know - apart from Norwich and BR, I just can't remember us playing with the same fluency and having to heave just to get draws. Thought MK Dons away summed up the second-half of the season perfectly, a comfortable scoreline in the end but a poor performance, marked by as route one goal as you'll ever see, a pen and a bit of individual brilliance by Lambo.

[PokingFun]

MLT occupies a special pace in all our hearts, which means when he says something, not only does everyone listen but various forces attempt to use his comments in a way to suit their agenda.

 

I am willing to accept this was intended to be an innocuous comment reacting to the news and the reasons being bandied about for it, and I have always been sure that his involvment with Pinnacle was nothing more than him trying to do his bit to save the club.

 

But why does he allow himself to be put in this position, FFS ?

 

Because he is a fan and is entitled to his view the same as everyone else. I'm certain that his view in the article is no different to that of the majority of Southampton supporters. There is no story here other than a fan saying the same as most other fans.

[Andy_Porter]

With James, it was more the fact that if he wasn't used as RB he might be used as CM or RM. Agree about Hammond - really went off the boil after his injury against Millwall but stuck to think of anyone who could have come in other than Wotton - still puzzling why AP never strengthened there.

 

I always thought James done well for us in midfield, lacked the pace to play as a genuine wide player and needed someone like Waigo on the left to make up for it. Playing James and Holmes out wide against Milwall was one of his biggest mistakes.

[Saint_Rick]

SSN - Paul Hart? Bloody hope not

[Andy_Porter]

As I say I thought that after Stockport we played pretty well away from home until Xmas - can't be a coincidence that DC and Papa featured heavily in those games and gave us more guile and movement. After Xmas, I dont know - apart from Norwich and BR, I just can't remember us playing with the same fluency and having to heave just to get draws. Thought MK Dons away summed up the second-half of the season perfectly, a comfortable scoreline in the end but a poor performance, marked by as route one goal as you'll ever see, a pen and a bit of individual brilliance by Lambo.

 

I see what you're getting at, we seemed to play far more route one in the second half of the season. There's no way we could have played like we did against Southend, Norwich and Rovers on the pitches at Wycombe, Exeter and Brentford, well we wouldn't have gotten a result if we tried to play too much football.

 

We do have the individuals to drag us to comfortble scorlines even when we play badly, just like the JPT final we where just knocking it long every time yet still scored four.

[landford.saint]

MLT and me have one thing in common, we both have a love of SFC. However MLT and I are both like every other poster on here, our views are moulded by our own personal experiences, and agendas. Please read his quotes, and all posters opinions, and then make your own judgements on them based on your knowledge of any supposed 'feud' with NC, whom his paymasters are (and their current feud with SFC). And likewise any 'spin' that could have been accidentally or deliberately put on those quotes (and quotes they have failed to report on) by the reporting News papers, including local rags.

[Glasgow_Saint]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3117929/Matt-Le-Tissier-Whod-work-for-this-chairman.html

[Norm]

So basically this thread is some bloke from Austria who never goes to any games and does nothing but criticise, telling a club legend he cannot have an opinion.

 

 

 

I really don't care where he lives, Italy, Yorkshire, Romsey, next door to me or Austria, as far as I'm concerned he is a fan and is entitled to his view the same as everyone else. Can't say I always agree with him but.........