Whatever happened to stability?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Simple - The CEO whose aims and objectives are very well known, does not beleive that he has the right man in place to deliver them.

 

He has acted to bring in somebody else who he beleives can deliver.

 

No point in stability if it does not yield the right end result.

 

Point 1 :Why appoint him then?

 

Point 2: Believes he can deliver..no guarantees is there?

 

Point 3 : So we are definately going to get the right result then?

 

Nothing was certain with AP and nothing will be certain with the new man.......

[Deppo]

Has anyone set up this poll yet?

[jjsaint]

Southampton have had too many managers in the past 10 years. It's ridiculous. I don't want stability for the sake of stability but I'm sick of upheval for no good reason.

 

We haven't had the best start to the season, but I can't see how this is going to help.

[Cestrian Saint]

Cortese is a ****. The club is once again a laughing stock. I've followed saints all my life and I'm tired of this ****.

[CB Fry]

It's always such a bizarre argument. Yes we all want stability but it has to be under the right manager. Maybe Pardew was, I couldn't say he definitely wasn't. But this generic stability argument means NO manager should ever be sacked. I can't agree with that because under managers like Burley and many others, and managers at other clubs, you can tell they just won't take you where you need to go, so stability in that sense will be a killer. Yet even under managers like this you get some saying stability is needed.

 

Stability should be the aim, but never stability merely for the sake of stability. You'll find plenty of cases of management change producing success, just as you'll find plenty of failures. it's about the manager and how they perform at a certain club, nothing more.

 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

It's also true that in the modern era if a manager is going to be successful he will be within a full season/eighteen months. That is long enough. It was long enough for Moyes, Wenger, O Neil, Mourinho, Hodgson at Fulham, Mark Hughes at Blackburn, Strachan with us, in fact any successful manager you can mention, with Alex Ferguson being the tedious exception.

 

And, before anyone has kittens, it was true for Pardew - he had delivered success within a season, just like all the rest. Pardew didn't need three years to build a team like the bores on here make out is required. He'd done it in a season, easy. Stability after that, fine. Earnt stability. Moyes. Wenger. But not a three year licence to be a failure "because that's how Lawrie Mac did it".

 

It won't stop people bleating on about "every manager needs three years of being unsackable look at fergie/Lawrie blah blah blah etc etc" but it's the truth.

 

Deliver in eighteen months/first full season or on your bike. And lord knows that will be the case for the next Saints boss.

[The9]

Absolutely.

 

It's also true that in the modern era if a manager is going to be successful he will be within a full season/eighteen months. That is long enough. It was long enough for Moyes, Wenger, O Neil, Mourinho, Hodgson at Fulham, Mark Hughes at Blackburn, Strachan with us, in fact any successful manager you can mention, with Alex Ferguson being the tedious exception.

 

And, before anyone has kittens, it was true for Pardew - he had delivered success within a season, just like all the rest. Pardew didn't need three years to build a team like the bores on here make out is required. He'd done it in a season, easy. Stability after that, fine. Earnt stability. Moyes. Wenger. But not a three year licence to be a failure "because that's how Lawrie Mac did it".

 

It won't stop people bleating on about "every manager needs three years of being unsackable look at fergie/Lawrie blah blah blah etc etc" but it's the truth.

 

Deliver in eighteen months/first full season or on your bike. And lord knows that will be the case for the next Saints boss.

 

And you having made a massive big deal about Pardew having delivered instant success last season will no doubt be as perplexed as the rest of us to why Cortese would sack a manager just as he was in the position to deliver, and a few months before any minimal 18 month deadline for LEAGUE success could be judged.

 

So just to clarify, spend a year putting your squad in place, but get a couple of injuries and then lose one and draw one and you're sacked?

 

Even preseason in Switzerland was clearly NOTHING to do with the manager's choice.

 

Let's not sugar-coat this, Cortese's shown all kinds of signs of being an egomaniac if not megalomaniac and his first acts after Markus' death are to firstly make the unverifiable claim that Markus was happy with all of the decisions that had been made, and then to fire the manager, which is the one appointment decision we can be sure they made together, coming so soon after the club purchase was made.

 

The fate of the club lies entirely with his mood. We should be very, very concerned.

Edited 31 August, 2010 by The9

[CB Fry]

And you having made a massive big deal about Pardew having delivered instant success last season will no doubt be as perplexed as the rest of us to why Cortese would sack a manager just as he was in the position to deliver, and a few months before any minimal 18 month deadline for LEAGUE success could be judged.

 

So just to clarify, spend a year putting your squad in place, but get a couple of injuries and then lose one and draw one and you're sacked?

 

Even preseason in Switzerland was clearly NOTHING to do with the manager's choice.

 

Let's not sugar-coat this, Cortese's shown all kinds of signs of being an egomaniac if not megalomaniac and his first acts after Markus' death are to firstly make the unverifiable claim that Markus was happy with all of the decisions that had been made, and then to fire the manager, which is the one appointment decision we can be sure they made together, coming so soon after the club purchase was made.

 

The fate of the club lies entirely with his mood. We should be very, very concerned.

 

 

Errr - yes, I am perplexed and didn't want Pardew to go. So despite me putting "before anyone has kittens" and saying Pardew has delivered that instant success I described, someone immediately replies and has said kittens bleating on about why Pardew shouldn't have been sacked. Christ, this forum is berr-rilliant.

 

Why do so many read what I write about this subject as "every manager must be sacked after 18 months"?

 

Pardew had delivered the instant success that is common - the same as Moyes, Wenger, Davies, Ian Holloway etc etc - and had earnt the stability. The fact he didn't get it is Cortese's lookout.

 

Pardew has fallen the same fate as, say, Martin Jol at Spurs - brilliantly successful, but sacked anyway.

Edited 31 August, 2010 by CB Fry

[Deppo]

Oh, CB Fry is good. He's definitely the best arguer on the internet.

[Wes Tender]

*yawn*

Soggy in ego boosting thread when he could just as easily add his opinions to one of the other myriad threads.

 

The thought crossed my mind that it was somehow slightly ironic SOG asking about what had happened to stability. What does this stability relate to?

[Huntingdon]

Do you know what upsets me about Cortese?

 

1) He's arrogant

2) He appears to have no connection with the fans

3) At times, he actually seems to view supporters as an inconvenience rather than a lifeblood

4) He's started to recommend or purchase players for the manager

5) He's very cloak and dagger

6) He has started a war with certain parts of the media

7) He's got Southampton making headlines for the wrong reasons

Bizarre decisions regarding the manager

 

Remind you of anyone?

[The9]

Errr - yes, I am perplexed and didn't want Pardew to go. So despite me putting "before anyone has kittens" and saying Pardew has delivered that instant success I described, someone immediately replies and has said kittens bleating on about why Pardew shouldn't have been sacked. Christ, this forum is berr-rilliant.

 

Why do so many read what I write about this subject as "every manager must be sacked after 18 months"?

 

Pardew had delivered the instant success that is common - the same as Moyes, Wenger, Davies, Ian Holloway etc etc - and had earnt the stability. The fact he didn't get it is Cortese's lookout.

 

Pardew has fallen the same fate as, say, Martin Jol at Spurs - brilliantly successful, but sacked anyway.

 

I didn't. I pointed out that by your definition he was "successful" and he still got the boot, and went on to say that I think Cortese is acting strangely enough that we should be concerned about a lack of stability. Other than asking you if you were perplexed too, it wasn't really about you.

[The9]

Do you know what upsets me about Cortese?

 

1) He's arrogant

2) He appears to have no connection with the fans

3) At times, he actually seems to view supporters as an inconvenience rather than a lifeblood

4) He's started to recommend or purchase players for the manager

5) He's very cloak and dagger

6) He has started a war with certain parts of the media

7) He's got Southampton making headlines for the wrong reasons

Bizarre decisions regarding the manager

 

Remind you of anyone?

 

Well, yes, but to make the comparison takes away from the dubious actions of Cortese viewed in isolation and makes it about mapping them onto things Lowe did, which isn't really helpful in discussing the matter in hand, as it immediately polarises people into well-worn camps of luvvies and haters and gives people a nice pigeon-hole to dump valid opinions into (on both sides).

[The9]

Oh yeah, and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank CB Fry for taking all the heat from my response to Cortese's "nothing's changed" statement in the wake of Markus' death.

 

To recap, after a hefty thread of "woo-hoo, everything's fine and we're still loaded, and poor Nicola" posts, I had the temerity to suggest that actually it probably just meant Cortese was dragging Markus down in his absence, if not passing on some of the blame for unpopular changes by claiming the decisions were jointly made, when there was no-one around to verify this any more.

 

The fact that the first thing he's done is sack the manager they clearly did "jointly" appoint right at the start implies Mr Cortese will do what he wants now and if Markus was involved previously it was probably providing balance for some of his more stupid ideas.

 

Anyway, there I was, waiting for the shoitestorm for not immediately buying into Cortese's statement when literally every other post on the thread was supporting Cortese, but CB Fry had immediately replied with "I agree", and the 3 pages of bile were then aimed at him instead.

 

Playing the man not the ball much ? This place is weird.

[CB Fry]

Oh yeah, and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank CB Fry for taking all the heat from my response to Cortese's "nothing's changed" statement in the wake of Markus' death.

 

To recap, after a hefty thread of "woo-hoo, everything's fine and we're still loaded, and poor Nicola" posts, I had the temerity to suggest that actually it probably just meant Cortese was dragging Markus down in his absence, if not passing on some of the blame for unpopular changes by claiming the decisions were jointly made, when there was no-one around to verify this any more.

 

The fact that the first thing he's done is sack the manager they clearly did "jointly" appoint right at the start implies Mr Cortese will do what he wants now and if Markus was involved previously it was probably providing balance for some of his more stupid ideas.

 

Anyway, there I was, waiting for the shoitestorm for not immediately buying into Cortese's statement when literally every other post on the thread was supporting Cortese, but CB Fry had immediately replied with "I agree", and the 3 pages of bile were then aimed at him instead.

 

Playing the man not the ball much ? This place is weird.

 

Anytime. Happy to take the odd bullet.

 

I just had a look back at that thread, and to be fair to me, I did open up the "outside parties" can of worms.

 

Funnily enough those outside parties included the Echo and MLT for daring to suggest Pardew's job was under threat.

 

The three pages of bile came from my favourite spoonfeeders telling me that because Nicola had released a statement and everything that there was no way Pardew would be sacked because the OS said so and that's that. No other information source should be required or trusted because the chairman would never lie to us and is a man with no agenda whatsoever.

 

Which brings us nicely up to date.

 

(takes cover).